How New Cars Are Spying on Drivers

[@5agent55]

I just checked my data privacy setting in my car and to my suprise bmw was sharing my driving data with my insurance company and I had no idea. Thanks for warning us about this Dagogo !

[@gouthamsh1]

Can you please tell me how you disabled it? I have a 2024 BMW.

[@billschlafly4107]

@@gouthamsh1 I have a 2022 Porsche and it has a Privacy mode via the multifunction display. I realize it's a different manufacturer but many electronics are the same. I recommend searching an online BMW forum.

[@Justagamerhere1]

What is weirder is if you opt-out of that kind of stuff it warns you it may affect your status with companies.

[@brahim119]

@@gouthamsh1 Use google to search for _data privacy in cars_ mozilla should be the first in the search page, tons of information regarding this car privacy issues.

[@qdavis9378]

How did you check it?

[@augustoliver2779]

So, Toyota built a sports car, but penalized drivers for using it the way it was meant to be driven?

[@HAFBeast91]

Gazoo Racing. Like.... The name says "We don't make boring Toyotas anymore."

[@nietur]

no, they sold the data, yw

[@thecopperiris]

If only Toyota actually built it 😂

[@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket]

No, Sports cars are not supposed to be abused on the road, the sport is for track days. They problem is they're acting as government agents and in general invading your privacy not your misunderstanding of how to drive a car appropriately.

[@andrewy3711]

And if you go on the forums and talk about it you have a bunch of fan people that will shame you for thinking Toyota would do that

[@clupus63]

OK, no hard braking. Got it. I'll just let insurance buy me a new car next time a deer runs out in front of me,

[@Koogz406]

Or dog or ya on the phone and brake hard instead of crashing i think that we should be able to sue for our privacy

[@frakismaximus3052]

Hard braking *obviously* indicates stunt driving 😅

[@invisiblejay7573]

or somebody's kid. geniuses.

[@kyrollos0208]

@@frakismaximus3052 Not always. Sometimes, hard braking is required in an emergency situation such as a hazard suddenly going in front of the car.

[@janettetaylor8760]

U shuld be so lucky they like taking Ur money but the tossers for not giving it back to you

[@KyanoAng3l0_Mtvtks]

I used to love the idea of "smart cars" when I was younger. Now I want NOTHING to do with them.

[@fujinshu]

Smart cars are a great idea, but they’re also ripe for exploitation like this. IMO, cars should only have a screen as a non-important function, so that at least hardware-bound controls can still be accessed.

[@yugogen8811]

Whatever greedy man touch something it become shit, every good thing greedy people destroy.

[@MoeN23]

I know about fly-by-wire already, so like you, I have been waiting for the smart car to drive me to places since the Y2K when Musk promised, yep, I believed in Santa once.

[@stdev.]

Learn to drive manual while you're at it. (It's a more engaging experience to say the least.)

[@bobbob-mi6pq]

thats what happens when you have companies looking for profit non matter how much it hurts their customers, what a great system we have

[@FJUH]

I was offered, as an option to lower our premium for car insurance in Canada, to download an app that tracked my driving. If I sped, braked hard or accelerated hard this would go against my premium. This is some black mirror stuff!

[@phakeAccount]

Unfortunately that is a misrepresentation by the insurance company. They will charge you whatever they feel like charging you and if you were to contest the rate you were presented and ask how the up recordings came into play they wouldn't have that information nor would they serve it to you.

[@Thewhitevb]

One insurance company in Ontario offered to send me a device that would plug into my OBD II port which would then read my "driving style" and readjust my premiums. Was a hard pass from me.

[@ingi1095]

I am new to Canada and it seems like in BC there is none of this stuff or am I wrong?

[@firstlast5454]

​@@ingi1095 the only car insurance company is owned by the government. The government can't collect data like this without a huge lawsuit

[@jagdeepdhillon8008]

@@ingi1095 Yes. ICBC is the sole insurer for BC. It's the other provinces like Alberta that suffer from this.

[@thavashgovender4345]

Massive L for Toyota. 1) What if he went 85mph on the track ? The people saying it's a good thing need to consider this 2) So basically, this pile of crap can't be driven on the German Autobahn? 3) Apparently there were a few Corolla GRs that caught fire - seems like they're not the reliability king anymore

[@acz88]

Toyota has killed their reliability record now they have gone turbo engines from their natural aspirated. Since Toyota have little experience with turbos all their tech is new and untested and unrefined. Toyota may not be reliable for another 8-10 years.

[@jacobponcedeleon8503]

Can’t believe today is the day I lost respect for Toyota

[@ma-scalia8629]

Funny enough bmw took that spot 😂

[@DR_BustA1515]

Yea. I really wanted a GR Corolla. Have wanted one since they were announced, and was saving up to get one in the next year or two. Now? Yea no thanks. Not going to buy a brand new car to not have a warranty. That, plus the fact that these new cars spy on you? I think I'll stick to used cars unless this crap is removed or can be easily disabled.

[@bhuvstechworld9743]

@@ma-scalia8629 yea lol bmw improved while toyota sold out when you are the top at something you get way to greedy same went for mercedes look at where they are now in reliabilty once a mercedes used to outlast a toyota easily now a mercedes cant even outlast a mordern jaguar

[@TraTranc]

We need to overtly and completely *BAN* data harvesting by electronics, tech, and vehicle companies. Period. They shouldn't even be allowed to _ask_ whether or not they can collect our datas. Just a big fucking *NOPE.*

[@noneofyourbizness]

the EU has done precisely that. tell congress to stop taking bribes and do the same

[@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley]

Agreed. The amount of hacks and leaks that have lead to identity theft is ridiculous and I'm tired of this just being the "cost of doing business" with the individual left to pick up the pieces.

[@markmuller7962]

We need extremely easy and extremely transparent options of choice first, I think it's more realistic

[@davidGA殿]

There’s legitimate reasons for harvesting anonymized data, like trends, dev info, etc. There’s absolutely no legitimate reasons for any company to be able to buy or sell your uniquely identifying data.

[@ILovePancakes24]

good luck, congress is asleep at the wheel passing bullshit laws nobody asked for

[@jennettesaxberg6528]

What happens when your fridge tells your doctor you had junk food. Goodbye life ensurance goodbye freedom as you are led off in chains to fat prison.

[@wout123100]

the rise of the machines lol

[@handleiguesss]

Fat prison 😂😂 lmao For real though, I hate all this smart device shit... it's so bad

[@David-um4dy]

Even though what you're saying sounds crazy, I can definitely see it happening at one point.

[@triptheroad]

Yeah those fridges with cameras aren't for your convenience while out shopping to see what you need. It's for them to analyze your food purchase habits and sell that data. Absolutely no reason to put a camera inside a fridge

[@triptheroad]

​@@David-um4dythey have fridges with cameras in them, totally for them to track your eating habits

[@HAWXLEADER]

My problem with this system is that it will always be against you in an abstract way. They'll never reduce your price if you drive like a limousine driver. But they will increase it because you hit the break pedal for a sudden red light\pedestrian

[@pan2aja]

but.. but.. " if you are not doing anything wrong you don't have nothing to worry about argument" ... (I am being sarcastic)

[@wout123100]

@@pan2aja oh , dont worry, they invent something like, hey you forgot to do......whatever

[@happy_bubble7]

Absolutely. They would not reward you for perfect driving and even of they did it would be just a lower than others bill. This is what happens in work places too. The only reward for good performance is... more responsibility and no extra pay.

[@HenkaFX]

the worst thing about this is : in criminal investigations most of these manufacturers act like their cars dont collect any data at all. even in most cases this data cant be used bc of legal issues and so on. so these company use this data against you for money, but if it could help solving a crime investigation, all the data is suddenly gone.

[@DeiDeiMuffinxD]

I share your sentiment. I believe that IF a company would decide to give their information for a investigation, their stock price might fall, probably even stain their trust of shareholders?

[@TheGlovener1985]

What i don't understand is this will gain car companies money in the short term, but not the long. If you price people out of being able to afford insurance, whos going to be buying your cars in the future 😂

[@tonggao08]

Probably the same people whose plaintive refrain is: 'but if you've got nothing to hide, what's the big deal?' I swear the 'wHaT's ThE bIg DeAl' attitudes pave the way to tyranny. ​@@TheGlovener1985

[@abrahamdraper1911]

My local police force - with subsequent agreement from the court - just held a female driver responsible for an unwitnessed accident because her telemetry computer revealed she had committed at least 9 traffic offences since she bought the car... FIVE MONTHS before! 👉Do what I did: sell your rolling computer and buy yourself something from 2010 or earlier. Not so good for the environment (and requires more frequent repairs), but you do tend to get a more exciting car for the same money, and no-one can use your own car to convict you. "Now you're under control. Now you do what they told ya" ~RATM

[@abrahamdraper1911]

Incidentally, denying a warranty claim is "punishing someone in the most Orwellian way possible"? Really? You haven't read 1984, it seems 😂

[@stayinganonymous.3172]

I did some research, and from what I learned, you are okay with up to 2020 year models. These and older models used 3G devices to upload your data. Nowadays, they use 4G or 5G to upload your snitch report card since 3G is obsolete.

[@abrahamdraper1911]

​@@stayinganonymous.3172Good thinking 🧠

[@FoxWJK]

if you get the right car like pre 2015 you wont be repairing it much if at all until its super high miles if you maintain it right and dont abuse it. Same with motorcycles, abs is fine might save a slip on grass clippings(motorcycles) but anything else is just too much electronics

[@marinhusky8863]

Buying an older car IS good for the environment as one is reusing rather than trashing

[@kayymoree]

I decided not to update my 2014 car, it has Bluetooth and even that is troubling. I won’t be getting a new car unless they enact laws to protect consumers against this type of overreach

[@runatrix]

yep, i'll get a newer one when I can install an open source OS on it, and have it isolated from internet. except than manually whitelisting a few stuff

[@TomNook.]

Hello Europe

[@MetrucTon]

They won't

[@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket]

@@MetrucTon Europe will, we won't.

[@graphixkillzzz]

so, you're hoping the people that benefit the most from this, will enact laws restricting its use? nah, G. you may as well accept that you ain't never buying a car newer than 2014 🤷‍♂️

[@GlensRetroShow]

Who knew 1984 was going to be 40 years late and it's actually going to be in 2024 This type of invasion of privacy is appalling

[@BlahBlahFreeman]

It's not an invasion of privacy, we all agreed to it. In every terms of service you agree to, it's all buried in there. The problem isn't that it's happening. It's that the alternatives are faulty by design. Any attempt to interfere in the data collection is a breach of contract. And Planned Obsolescence means that the upkeep of options that don't have the ability to collect data is going to be far more costly because you're attempting to keep something alive longer than it was design to be; which is especially bad on high-use/heavy-wear items like automobiles.

[@doujinflip]

"Agreed" being a loose term, because the only people who understood the terms was the legal team (as in themselves needing multiple people to analyze and approve) of the companies making the contract in which we have no review and negotiation power, and who keep mum about the unwritten specific effects of their terms.

[@stresseddev]

@@BlahBlahFreeman I think you agree that disney can k!ll you just because you try to accept their free membership terms

[@andrasbiro3007]

It's nothing new. Google built it's entire business on harvesting your personal data. That was 20+ years ago. And if you have a smartphone (15+ years), your life is an open book to anyone who cares to read it.

[@Efecretion]

​@@BlahBlahFreeman it is not an agreement, as there is no alternative for most people. Tying a bad practice to a necessary service obviates the choice, as the service is necessary.

[@TravelFilming]

Toyota punishing a driver who drove 85MPH 😂. Someone should tell them Toyotas are driven on the Autobahns here in Europe much and much faster legally.

[@GregAbroad]

They don’t care about legality….theyll still call that “High Risk” Time to start jailbreaking cars

[@shivanshgupta8652]

The moment you jailbreak something you lose your warranty/coverage anyway so that doesn't solve the problem. Only solution is to buy older cars so they can't physically track you. Buy a seperate android auto/car play head unit if you need the features that badly. ​@@GregAbroad

[@CharlieFoxtrot]

Shoot, 85 is the speed limit on some Texas highways. Which means traffic can hit 90

[@NocturnalDoom]

@@GregAbroadand time for you to not use a google logo like a lemon for your profile giving them free advertising?

[@agibitable]

@@NocturnalDoom It's a Google account used exclusively within Google products....

[@nevertrumpfromthejump]

I recently learned my car insurance had spiked. It had almost DOUBLED. When I contacted my insurance agent, she explained it was because of a speeding ticket I got. Once. One speeding ticket in my entire life. No car crashes. No faulted claims. Just one speeding ticket was enough to nearly double my insurance payments. I tried to switch providers but my agent came back saying all other insurance companies gave even higher quotes... Insurance is to blame here. My privacy is mine, yes. Without a doubt. But I wonder how problematic car manufacturers would behave if they didn't get any lucrative kickbacks from insurance companies in the first place. They're devils on earth.

[@6thwilbury2331]

Almost 20 years ago, I got ticketed for speeding in New York (I'm from California). What I get for passing a convoy of buses all in one shot, really. The state trooper told me he was citing me for "disobeying a traffic sign," not for speeding. Why? Because he was philosophically opposed to the fact that a person gets hit so badly with points on their insurance, and he didn't want that happening to me. It was something like "You were going fast, so I do have to cite you, but it's not like you're dangerous." Not often you leave a traffic stop with a moving violation, and still feel pretty good toward the cop. But that was just such an occasion.

[@aygwm]

Yup. Guess who owns them?

[@pearldrums92]

Next time do a ticket clinic, you’ll pay twice what the ticket is worth but it will be eliminated from all record

[@andrasbiro3007]

I would consider just not having insurance. If you can accept the risk. My car is not insured, because rates are absurdly high for this model here.

[@Mavendow]

Just FYI it's possible to self-insure.

[@StephenHodgson]

Doesn't surprise me at all 💀 It was only a matter of time. Soon they'll start writing speeding tickets retroactively based on your last trip.

[@timebot000]

yes, they warned about that 20 yrs agolol

[@joshuasmith2814]

good then we'll need less cops....

[@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley]

​@@weplaywax No, most people who abuse the road don't have insurance to begin with. All this is doing is hurting those who do follow the law.

[@Betweoxwitegan]

​@@BewareTheLilyOfTheValleyHow are they following the law if they're speeding? I don't necessarily agree with the sharing of "hard braking" and "speeding" data, etc. As there are reasons to do these things, e.g. avoiding collision, racing on a track, etc. I do not think it should be shared with insurance companies or any company without the users explicit consent and I also believe there should be a standard % cut for the information provider, this means some people will voluntarily give up their data for extra money. Also that's just factually incorrect, most road users who commit traffic offences, etc are insured. The US has shitty regulation of basic ever inelastic service, healthcare, transport, etc. A simple solution to make drivers slow down is to have two camera checkpoints that scan the license plate of a vehicle when it passes by and then use an algorithm to determine the average speed the vehicle went between the two checkpoints after it passes the second checkpoint, we do this in England and it fines you automatically, the state wants you to slow down though so it's not like they're hidden, it actively tells you when your entering a checkpoint and so if you speed then it's really on you. You can also contest the fine ofc, but these are typically illegal in The US because "you have the right to face your accuser" and a traffic camera can't really accuse unless corroborated by a person. You have a lot of old rules like that which decrease the efficiency of every process

[@germzx_x352]

@@weplaywaxif that were the case then just make cars go a certain speed. Some trucks have that

[@kalaidoscopez5388]

Thats why i prefer a dumb car. I dont need a subpar ipad as the control panel of my vehicle.

[@MyReviews_karkan]

Can you even find those anymore?

[@andrewreynolds912]

@@MyReviews_karkan like dude it don't take five seconds to search that up

[@andrewreynolds912]

@@MyReviews_karkan not to be rude but just saying that's very insensitive man

[@andrewreynolds912]

@@MyReviews_karkan do some critical thinking

[@andrewreynolds912]

@MyReviews_karkan it wasn't until the 80s when microchips got cheap and small enough to where we started putting them in cars but they didn't have the capacity to do data collection until the 90s or most likely the 2000s but now we're starting to see that now so it's likely this didn't start until after the 2000s

[@Veroxzes]

Suddenly I really want an old car. Oh wait I already have one because I can’t afford a new car. Phew! Not getting a new one now.

[@nawwk79]

“The car caught fire for no reason, I’m here for the warranty claim.” Toyota: “Your car sent back data packages which shows that you have been closing the car door in an aggressive manner, hence you are unable to claim the warranty.”

[@apophisstr6719]

This will almost certainly happen if consumers continue to not say no to their bullshit

[@elliotoliver8679]

@@apophisstr6719C19 proved beyond any doubt that we are sheep

[@rdramos13]

If I remember correctly, the guy took his GR Yaris to a Toyota sponsored track day at a local race track. And had tracked his car a few times on his own. Not sure if a Toyota rep was there to give tips and pointers to owners on how to drive their cars on track. Most of the time someone from a manufacture, or a driving instructor being paid by the manufacturer, is on hand to give pointers. Also at the Toyota sponsored track day, were owners of other GR Yaris's, GR 86's, and Supra's.

[@LegendStormcrow]

They claimed it was because he drove above 80 MPH with tires that were not certified for it. He had the stock tires that was certified for far above 80 MPH and were in good condition.

[@paultcareycarey7960]

How about a lawsuit

[@DM-qm5sc]

You need to make a video on how to disable or block this data from being collected or transmitted.

[@garydeluce464]

Some of these (GR Corolla) can have the DCM disabled by pulling the 5a fuse.

[@instanoodles]

@@afungusamungus2860 Thats what I did in my Hyundai when I bought it.

[@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket]

Disconnect the antenna for the cellular radio, remove the sim card, if the device has an airplane mode enable it.

[@houssamalucad753]

Idk why but an airplane mode in a car sounds funny to me 😂 ​@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket

[@Suchayoutuber]

Speaking from experience if you don't live in an emissions state you can unplug the unit, but however the mental health experts (the manufacturer) will trigger the check engine light until they can start collecting data, so you'll lose your registration when it comes up for renewal

[@diztinger]

We literally got a Watchdogs 2 scenario in real life before GTA 6. How ironic.

[@eldie3d]

I'd sue Toyota for not putting a warning label stating that exceeding 85mph could void the warranty and make the car catch fire. That's just ridiculous!

[@hussainsajid4929]

In UK, I downloaded this app which monitored my driving and promised to offer 'fair' quotes. I drove perfectly and I got the same quote as what I was paying currently. One day, I braked hard to avoid hitting a kid and my score went down drastically. It's an excuse to charge more, not to charge fair.

[@stayinganonymous.3172]

Scam

[@kylegreene1356]

The real lesson, don't brake for kids next time. Too many of em anyway.

[@kissalude9032]

Exactly. Where I work the company car monitors that and says it aloud. It registers braking hard when stopped. It doesn't take into account why I do what I did, just that I did. Sometimes it's not even a hard brake, or I press too hard at the stop light and the alarm goes off.

[@bradford_shaun_murray]

NWO 1984

[@AB-cg9np]

I had a box installed on mine and in 3 months my premium dropped from £125/m down to £85/m and this includes driving past 11 PM a few times and a short session of 140 mph at 1 AM. Apart from that, engine braking and easy turns around roundabouts really helped.

[@rkc62]

Another brilliant video - thanks! I have been really annoyed that my car was going offline because of the 3G network shutdown, but after watching this I am actually glad that it is being disconnected.

[@BA-rh5hy]

Where are the lawsuits? There needs to be more legal action against this.

[@johnnyn188]

People sign when they purchase and don't bother reading the fine print.

[@SonicJ2]

⁠@@johnnyn188what fine print points out the problem this video discusses? This very video (which you most likely didn’t watch) pointed out Toyota has a “galaxy” of 12 separate privacy documents - something I doubt someone like you would have even been aware of, much less read.

[@govcorpwatch]

When you "Register"/"Title" your car, the government technically owns the car! You get the USE TITLE, not LEGAL TITLE over the car, which is why the gov't can dictate any and all the things about "your" car. It's not YOURS. Legal action can only be ineffective because the "State" gets to dictate all the rules about THEIR car that you think is "yours." If the state makes it "legal" within their FICTION to do this... we have NO recourse.... ...Except to disable the module(s) completely in the car 😉👊🖖 If anyone knows how to do that... please let us know. maybe detaching the antenna? or deenergizing the radio module or auxillary embedded processor/CPU?

[@janoycresnova9156]

They're coming

[@Jose04537]

You can't sue if you don't have consumer rights in the first place. Thanks your politicians.

[@Thx_And_Bye]

Not that my '87 car has any warranty left but at least I can drive more than 85mph without it snitching on me.

[@anthonywilliams9415]

📠

[@theonlyspartan34]

Nope, cause now someone elses car will snitch on you without you even knowing

[@AndyGodwin8787-k1v]

@@Plflybit cry more liberal. If you drive a car that a company made and are under protection from insurance that a company provided YOU, then they both have every right to look at your driving. Doesnt matter how they planned it!!!

[@kelf114]

​@@PlflybitThat's why you leave it in a drawer at home. You need it much less than you think.

[@kelf114]

​@@AndyGodwin8787-k1vDoes that mean if you buy life insurance, does that company have the right to dictate how you live? That's the logic you're presenting.

[@arandominternetperson4462]

I think that my 2001 Renault Scenic is a perfect option for the next 20 years.

[@snarkspawner]

'Should he have been driving in excess of 85 mph?' Yes. There are roads that are 85 mph and 90 mph. It doesn't matter if they're uncommon, they exist-- and no one should be penalized for going the legal speed limit. These companies are as clumsy as they are greedy.

[@collectorguy3919]

They track the location during every trip and can determine the speed limit. Toyota shouldn't be stalking people in the first place.

[@bozydargroch9779]

Autobahn has no speed limit :p

[@Deepthought-42]

@@bozydargroch9779Wrong Autobahns have plenty of speed restrictions especially through intercession etc

[@TheBlacktom]

If your tires are not rated for 85 mph then you shouldn't drive at 85 mph.

[@bozydargroch9779]

@@Deepthought-42 wdym "wrong" lmao. There are a lot more places *without* speed limit, than *with* one. Lemme quote wiki just for you: "Much of the system has no speed limit for some classes of vehicles."

[@PXAbstraction]

Cool, so this selling of data taken without consent for profit means we'll get a significant discount on the cars to compensate, right? ...right?!

[@christopherconkright1317]

I bet your insurance doesn’t get cheaper fir good information just up for bad

[@davidanalyst671]

No you don't get a discount because you do too many burnouts and screw in your car too much.

[@sfllaw]

Absolutely! People who don’t want to sell their data will have to buy the Premium subscription.

[@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley]

Your consent was given, you just didn't know you gave consent (which is ultra scummy).

[@Redrumm]

I guess that's how Nissan was able to sale new cars for 17k

[@verzeda]

My 2012 shitbox looking down its nose: "Pathetic."

[@tonggao08]

2012? That's young! 😉

[@blakewashburn8463]

this kind of spying doesnt even keep people safe, if a driver realizes that their driving is being monitored they will be forced to do things like very slowly break or slowly accelerate despite the situation not calling for it to stop their car claiming that they are bad drivers

[@edgunn1395]

Imagine having your insurance rates increased because you had to break hard to avoid a crash caused by someone else's bad driving

[@JanKowalski-vj9py]

@@edgunn1395 Incentives to penalize everyday's life perfectly normal behavior is widespread.

[@Archemideez]

yeah, plus they're unsafe.

[@CharlieFoxtrot]

This is becoming weirdly similar to how China treats vehicle and pedestrian incidents. Their drivers don't want to make sure the pedestrian is safe, they will make sure that they don't have to pay for the victim's medical bills

[@patr10t762]

big gov tells big industry to monitor customers. Big industry asks "how can we monetize this?" Big gov with a checkbook. public private partnership a new name for face is him.

[@senpaiiiiiiiiiiiii950]

okay so there are only two solutions i have found online so far 1- remove the car sim card so it won't connect online and before servicing it just wipe the infotainment system (rest it) then add the sim 2- buy a car from 2014 or older depending every car company when they started to implement data collection

[@runatrix]

That's if you are able to remove the sim card, if that data is profitable some companies may place the simcard somewhere very hard to remove I think the real solution would be when you can install an open source OS such as unmodified Linux on the car, which also looks unlikely for the next 5 years or so, as it would have to be able to support the particular car hardware and so far we barely even have Linux for tables and phones. (that is not Android, tainted by Google) So yeah, get an older car that is mainstream and has a lot of parts for repairs, until we get a car that you can reinstall and take control of the OS

[@vishnusaivvs]

What if the car is using an esim? It will be virtually impossible to disable it without detection. It is better to opt for a dumb car of 2000s or early 2010s

[@Ryzza5]

​@@vishnusaivvsmaybe there's a fuse you can pull

[@sergioacevedo2254]

@@runatrix GrapheneOS runs the Linux kernel.

[@AGILISFPV]

Nope. Most cars have esim. Also, would void warranty.

[@enermaxstephens1051]

Remember the golden rule of hardware security: Physical access is god. You can just alter the hardware so that it can't spy on you. It will take some research on your part, but you can simply remove that part so the car can't spy.

[@user-gh9hz9yf3e]

Up until John Deere shows up, says you've violated their manufacturers terms, and tries to take away your car + charge you for the trouble.

[@wout123100]

if it was only your car, how many people have gotten rid of the spyware in their os...yes it is there.

[@lostalx]

Its not possible to remove DCM from toyota cars, ECU will throw errors.

[@enermaxstephens1051]

@@lostalx All you have to do is remove it's communications antenna. And don't connect your phone via USB. But for this to become really easy, we have to wait a few years. Once Ai matures, you can plug into your car and tell your Ai to reverse engineer all the software. Then wipe it and install the new one, without all the spying. You could even give it some upgrades, like turning off annoying beeps or killing the unnecessary airbag light.

[@QuantumRads]

Then unfortunately they will say you made unauthorized changes and deny all warranty claims instantly.

[@joshuafrimpong244]

Its wicked out here, man. Even objects are snitching

[@joshuafrimpong244]

​@@os10v311my dad owns an old car fortunately, but whether or not it lasts is anyone's guess

[@CJ-re7bx]

​@@os10v311 it would be great if people started putting out where the transmitter is in these cars.

[@aygwm]

Shalom, brother.

[@lawrencefrost9063]

@@os10v311 This isn't mad max...yet

[@jr2904]

Ford already patented tech to snitch on other drivers who speed

[@user-td5gy2fh3p]

We need to start compiling a list of the last model years of our favorite cars that don't have this garbage so we can buy those instead of the newer ones.

[@triptheroad]

We need regulations to crack down on data selling. People should be entitled to a portion of that money if we are opted in my default.

[@kyrollos0208]

Makes sense. Alternatively, products should be discounted if money is still going to be obtained by the companies from rampant data brokering.

[@patr10t762]

That gives support, the slippery slope intensifies. Volunteer today, asked tomorrow, demand next week, legislate next month, Train cars next decade.

[@web_dev_cz]

Fun fact, not a thing in EU thanks to the GDPR privacy law which would impose a VERY heavy sanction against the company. "You" say EU halts the progress but it is in fact America which allows companies to progress with little to no protection of consumers (citizens), call it freedom all you want... Btw I absolutely hate visiting US websites which offer you to turn off cookies with a switch for each company instead of by category with default being off...

[@web_dev_cz]

...as well as eshops sending you mails when you didn't finish your order and forms preselecting "send newsletters", "share you data" etc. which is also forbidden in EU.

[@eeyorehaferbock7870]

@@web_dev_czas an American, I’ll freely admit that many of my country’s people have some VERY strange ideas of what freedom actually is.

[@eeyorehaferbock7870]

@@CheapSushi so mostly just more stringent safety and environmental standards?

[@MrQwertyman111]

@@CheapSushi And there I was, for a second thinking "that guy might be right, I might need to look outside my EU bubble". And then you went with "making sure to prop up their car manufacturing industry", when in the last decade the EU did exactly the opposite and kept damaging the local automotive sector, encouraging it to move out of the continent with massive parts of the manufacturing. So you know what? I'll take my "authoritarian" EU laws, while you make sure you behave in the car that you bought for your hard earned cash. Because your car will snitch on you the second you do something naughty, or at least something corporations think they can weaponize against you if needed. But hey, you said it yourself: freedom sandwich. More sandwich, less freedom. But whatever, as long as you're fine with that, good on you!

[@fikaa2388]

Incorrect! By law, all new cars in the EU now have a "black box" installed, which will gather information similar to that in airplanes.

[@awaredz007]

There is also, one shady tactic I have been a victim of: car manufacturers lock the small independent mechanic shop owner out of the some of the repairing business, and suddenly, any issue you have with your car costs you 100s of $, at a minimum, because it is simpler and faster for bigger mechanic shop to quickly swap out a component to fix an issue, than looking for and replacing the inner, cheaper faulty auto part that caused the issue.

[@ILoveTinfoilHats]

Tesla built an entirely new system to replace canbus that's proprietary and basically prevents you from doing ANY repair

[@CheapSushi]

I heard Mercedez is notorious for this, even being able to read the ODB data on newer ones, especially fleet vehicles.

[@kyrollos0208]

Poor business model. It seems that they could not think of a profitable approach that is also consumer-friendly.

[@MoreAboutStuff]

Great, informative video. Thanks for sharing this kinda thing.

[@LiveWireBT]

Modern cars to drivers: I'm sorry I can't do that Dave. Modern cars to the industry: I can tell you all about my driver!

[@fixipszikon6670]

"Just what do you think you're doing, Dave?" - HAL 9000

[@Mar-pee]

😂😂😂

[@LazarusStr]

Cute 😂😂😂

[@oldhickory4686]

I remember a time when companies and consumers had a mutual benefit to their relationship. This concept is pretty much a relic from the past, and how sad is that.

[@user-gh9hz9yf3e]

​@@oldhickory4686they never did, it was always 'look at me I'm better deal than the competition' until the competition is gone, then they're free to screw everyone.

[@John_Fugazzi]

Thank you for choosing this topic. I was telling friends about this a year ago and they all said things like "That's crazy!" or "That's some kind of conspiracy theory". It's a potentially gigantic new revenue stream for automakers. I hope this gets massive attention.

[@DaveSpike-xz5fy]

I saw a Volvo add in like 2018-20 that said they aim to have cameras in every single vehicle always watching to detect an “impaired driver” and compared any resistance to the lobbying against seatbelts. When I told people about this they said the exact same thing. I believe you could probably find the video still if you’re interested

[@DaveSpike-xz5fy]

Update: I did some research and our amazing president signed into law a requirement for this technology in all cars post 2026 Source; The legislation referred to is the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act (also known as the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law), signed into law by President Joe Biden on November 15, 2021. This law includes a provision that mandates the installation of impaired driving prevention technology in all new vehicles, with the goal of having this technology standard by 2026. The law requires the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) to evaluate and set standards for advanced driver monitoring and impaired driving prevention systems within a 3-year timeframe. Once the standards are established, automakers will have 2-3 years to implement the technology. These systems could include passive alcohol detection technologies, driver monitoring for signs of impairment, or a combination of both

[@auggysimcity]

so in this day and age of global mass ignorance, anytime I question something i am a conspiracy theorist.. hilarious.. next i will be called a terrorist if i am not happy with my government...lemmings..heh..

[@sarahbrown6493]

After (finally) learning how to do basic maintenance on my own car I’ve learned the best car is the simplest one. The more computers, sensors, and other bells and whistles that are in your car the harder it will be to repair anything. More and more car manufacturers are trying to make it as hard as possible to perform basic services on your own vehicle. They design car specific tools you have to buy rather than relying on a universal tool set. They put things in places impossible to reach unless you have the equipment to fully remove the engine to get to it. They want you to take it to the dealership and pay an extra $200 every time you need to get your oil changed instead of just….idk doing it yourself. Some of this is bad design, some is malicious. If we want to fight the entitlement these companies have towards extracting every conceivable form of value from a product that was already purchased and is no longer theirs we need to stop relying on them. Don’t buy cars you can’t fix, or learn to fix yourself. Don’t buy modern vehicles with tracking and no privacy. These companies want us helpless and dependent so we have no choice but to keep giving them money.

[@yoweedmofo19897]

The problem is, when we're out of (affordable) pre-owned vehicles without the bells and whistles, how do we continue to buy cars without them? That said, as someone in tech (ML specifically), the last thing I want in my car is tech. It simply doesn't belong there (and certaintly doesn't belong everywhere, which is something IoT proponents seem not to understand).

[@pan2aja]

The government (a.k.a big brother) will soon ban those cars. For.. you know.. "safety reason"

[@james_chatman]

You also need to pressure your political representatives into passing laws that prohibit these practices.

[@yosefm170]

​@yoweedmofo19897 As someone who works with tech (cringe), I want tech in my car. It 100% belongs there but correct tech. Sensors that brake for you when you are not paying attention, adaptive cruise control, a good awd in winter, android auto, 360 camera etc. Some tech makes the car safer and more convenient. I switched to a more basic Honda Accord because I didn't want any loans anymore, but I sure miss the tech I had on my previous cars If I wanted a bare bone experience, I just ride my Yamaha mt09

[@skylerparr]

I opted in to have my driving recorded to see if I could get lower insurance. It would beep at me whenever I braked hard. All it did was teach me how to drive unsafe because I would second guess if I should brake for a jaywalker or a poor timed red light. I therefore ended up running red lights way more often than if my driving wasn't being tracked. So I would say, "Does this make it safer for drivers?" the devil is in the details.

[@isaac198428]

Funny, I had a notification on my *smart tv* yesterday when trying to adjust my volume/sounds, it wanted me to *give it permission* to show me *personalized ads based on my viewing habits* and *authorize my tv to ‘share my viewing data’* to third party companies to *’enhance my viewing experience’.* What the hell? Of course I opted out in the tv settings hidden deep in the menu. I just want to turn on the tv and watch without extra crap. *Data like my age, location, gender and other personal details shouldn’t be necessary to simply watch tv.* Smart phones/smart watches and cars are the same collecting our data for sale nowadays.

[@potatopotatopotatopotatopo8746]

Can't believe analog cars are soon gonna be vintage for the current generation just like VHS

[@DeiDeiMuffinxD]

that's sad thinking about how much more useful they are, how long lasting the car parts are, and how much more control one has over the car...

[@JV-io3nn]

Don’t worry, there will be another “cash for clunkers” scheme that may not be as optional as the first one. Just wait. It’ll happen.

[@cinifiend]

Coming soon: Your insurance company will be able to disable your car in your driveway if they find out you voted for the wrong politician, or said something online that they don't like.

[@FirstLast-vr7es]

These people actually think you're joking.

[@PURENT]

Nah that doesn't make sense. What'll really happen is they see which way you voted and then increase your premiums. It's all about the money, customer who can't drive his car will just not pay anymore.

[@youramazingvulptexwife4180]

Tesla.

[@swagmuffin9000]

any manufacturer actually has the ability to do that and already do.

[@KleszczuPK]

​@@youramazingvulptexwife4180 not only EVs have the ability to do that. ICE cars have this feature for years. Source - worked with 2025 ICE cars design process.

[@karachaffee3343]

"You ate carrots in 1997 so your warranty is void--and its not our fault you did not read the entire sales contract. " This is the fine print run amok. Its also why I buy 20 year old cars and take my chances...

[@RealSerie26]

85 mph? That was definitely not the cause. 85 mph is pretty normal speed in Texas. If the government doesn't intervene, companies like SimpliSafe will start recording us in our own homes soon and monetize it. The benefits of living in the USA are dwindling fast between inflation, low wages, dating culture, crime, and lack of privacy.

[@volksfolks62]

I read your comment and ,agree with everything except the Government intervening .We don't need the Government to do anything .WE need to get off our comfy couches and intervene ourselves .

[@noneofyourbizness]

the EU has outlawed this shit.

[@raminatox]

@@volksfolks62 How do you suggest we do that?

[@volksfolks62]

@@raminatox Great question ,and one that I don't have a definitive answer for .The point being that if WE sit around and do nothing and think the government will save us all .Then we deserve what's coming .

[@MrQwertyman111]

@@volksfolks62 And as sad as it may sound, you deserve what you're getting. Whenever the US government or some politicians try to do something for the people, lobbists come out of the woodwork and make the "problem" for the corporations just go away, or as a last resort they will cry "communism!". And then the public outrage comes in, without knowing anything about the subject at hand outside of "democracy, my rights, freedom", and the idea is thrown out the window. But the people of the US of A keep on defending this system that might have been great 200 years ago, but has now been rigged by the wealthiest and the corporations. So... if you enjoy your freedom from intrusive laws, you have to learn taking joy from corporations doing every single thing that is not explicitly forbidden. And hey, it's the USA. So sky's the limit, right?

[@kod-s]

Yup, Geico double my insurance premium because of Lexis Nexis. No accidents, one speeding ticket (speed trap, did 41 in 30) in 10 years. Had to purge the report (used Aura) and switch the insurance. Extremely scummy behavior. I opt out of any data collection since, actually take time to send the blasted envelope with the request.

[@honestreviewer4864]

If I may ask how did you purge your driving report in addition to using Aura? I’ve never heard of Aura.. I can’t get cheap Insurance or any insurance because of my driving record .. anything helps

[@kod-s]

@@honestreviewer4864 it's a subscription service that routinely purges your data from data brokers (because the brokers just keep collecting the data over and over). I chose Aura specifically because they dealt with Lexis Nexis, unlike the competitors (Deleteme).

[@gregh7457]

i opted into the allstate phone app that spied on my driving. over time it was a substantial amount i saved from the safe driving discounts

[@AndrewSmith-cd5zf]

You’re allowed to buy a car and drive it at 100 miles per hour - there are plenty of instances where this is perfectly legal, closed road - private road etc. This sort of big brother intrusion into our privacy should be stopped. The electronics should be encrypted and the owner should have the key. Data sharing could only be possible with the owner’s consent and only that data that the owner feels is required to service or repair the car. Police may collect the encrypted data but if the owner doesn’t have the encryption key then it’s up to the police to use the encrypted data however they like.

[@disgruntledegghead6923]

One more good reason to own an older vehicle. Parts are cheap, readily available and nobody is spying on me. Instead, my phone does it...

[@vulcanfeline]

about parts... i have a '99 gm car and having a harder and harder time finding parts to fix one particular recurring problem it has

[@Johnny91832]

Yeaa parts aren't cheap and certainly not available lol idk what kind of car you drive or if you drive one at all.

[@disgruntledegghead6923]

@Johnny91832 A 98 blazer, and a 99 s10. It helps when you have a couple spare parts trucks. Yes, parts are cheap. A pair of new headlights is right at $100 for instance, compare that to the average of $700 or more for one headlight on a newer vehicle.

[@alextasarov1341]

Petition to ban cars from connecting to the internet

[@alextasarov1341]

@@zenodezeno454 😏

[@pan2aja]

the data can still be downloaded everytime you go to a garage for car check up

[@joeAnon796]

@@pan2aja That would only be a problem if you go to the steal-ership. Your local mechanic probably won't care unless the dealers lobby the gov and make it an issue.

[@SatanDotExe]

This would never happen and honestly I don't want it to. Being able to warm up my car remotely or see its location and stuff I like, but it should be MY data and I should be able to keep it private or just turn it off.

[@rejvaik00]

WHERE DO I SIGN!?!

[@michalpaulin9606]

This would be happening in Smart houses too.

[@daktaricox]

Yes, I wonder what your Smart TV is up to?

[@stormrider01]

Old cars are gold. keep them allive!!!

[@circuitdotlt]

I guess insurance will cost more if your car is not reporting anything. The idea it will cost less if your car reports you are ok.

[@parafitality2730]

​@@circuitdotltit's laughable to think that insurance will discount your premium below what they've calculated as their risk for your car type and location. This is a function to determine whether they can charge more or use it to deny warranty claims.

[@circuitdotlt]

@@parafitality2730 ok then I'll say it the other way around. If your car is not transmitting data, they will assume you are risky and increase your price. Driving an old car without cameras and emergency braking is considered risky as well. Agree?

[@wout123100]

@@circuitdotlt oh they sure will find some cause to up the price.

[@dawnrazor]

I first heard about this a few years back from Soshana Zuboff the author of The Age Of Surveillance Capitalism. Since then I’ve always felt queesy about the prospect of buying a modern car. It’s enough to make me think I’ll never buy one and instead opt for a life of public transport, cycling and taxis.

[@amazer747]

They have achieved their mission if you do that. Non compliance is the only way but that is increasingly risky and impossible. the only option is to live on your own island.

[@CrazyKraut20]

or just drive well maintained old cars and learn how to maintain them

[@Emiliapocalypse]

@@CrazyKraut20those will be illegal eventually because of emissions, safety updates etc

[@anonmousy5264]

Remember: you'll own nothing and be happy!!!!

[@CrazyKraut20]

@@Emiliapocalypse That's not how hat works, at least not where I live

[@manindermarok]

Thanks for creating this video ❤ I just found out that my Renault is not only sharing data with Insurance companies but also with social media companies like google, facebook and amazon

[@davidanalyst671]

Theres a highway that circles Austin TX, and if you go the speed limit, which is 85 miles per hour, you are a road hazzard because cars will be zipping around you 10-15 mph faster than the speed limit. Going below 85 will definitely lower your lifespan!!! Do the insurance and car companies know about this?

[@MrQwertyman111]

Sure, they know. But they are not around for helping you out when something happens. Their real business is taking more money from the customers than paying out in insurance claims. So they will do whatever is possible to not pay you, even if ther logic has nothing to do with real logic, let alone common sense.

[@Hujhjgffw]

The other side of this is if you are in a crash at 95mph vs 85mph your chance of dying increases by 60%, and if it takes you 20 minutes to get to your destination at 85mph, at 95mph you'll only save 2 minutes. They should be trying to get people to go the actual speed limit, you're not saving any time and putting yourself and everyone else at much higher risk by going just that tiny bit faster.

[@KamerKazanci-wj2ou]

@Hujhjgffw safety doesn’t depend on your speed, it depends on your relative speed to other cars. If people go fast, you go fast too

[@mike74h]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the insurance companies have more data than you do. The speeders will always drive 15 mph faster than the average car, so raise the speed of the average car as the speeders increase theirs and see where that gets you.

[@Hujhjgffw]

@@KamerKazanci-wj2ou more speed = more energy you and your car absorbs in a crash. What I said is just the laws of physics, you hit something at 95mph Vs 85mph your chances of dying are 60% higher. You can argue that you are less likely to be in a crash at those speeds, but still doesn't change what I posted.

[@JongiB96]

All I need a car to be is safe, comfortable, efficient, and robust. I don't need it to have a thousand different screens and applications, much in the same way that I don't need my microwave to come with a grocery list of pre-set cooking buttons that I will never bloody need.

[@JongiB96]

​@@weplaywax Because in the current automotive business climate, we can't have both. We are not allowed to have both. Companies are pushing technology onto their products which are merely party-tricks that people use a few times after purchase to show off to their friends and family, and then hardly use again. We don't benefit from most of these features, the companies do.

[@MrQwertyman111]

@@JongiB96 Exactly. The word that comes to my mind is "bloat". Cars are bloated with features, most of which we don't really need and almost all of them are a must when you buy. Such simple things like allowing me to decide when maps are being updated is simply unavailable, and the cars will connect to the web whenever the manufacturer decided it's fitting for the car to do. We thought the personal computers industry was bad, but automotive is taking things to a whole new level with their latest cars.

[@Anti-FreedomD.P.R.ofSouthKorea]

But most people LOVE those..!!

[@DripDripDrip69]

So buy something from the late 90s to the mid 2000s, like a Camry/Accord, or a Crown Vic/Town car, you still have airbags, decent crash structure, anti-lock brakes and the parts are still readily available, and they are a lot easier to work on than newer cars. Just stick a modern Bluetooth head unit in it and you are good.

[@DripDripDrip69]

@@JongiB96 Because mechanically cars have peaked about 20 years ago in terms of ride/handling and power, so they need to add "features" to woo buyers to upgrade.

[@JZStudiosonline]

The really cool thing is, the original owner may have unwittingly signed something saying they're data can be stolen, but any 2nd hand owners absolutely did not and the companies are then stealing data from people who at no point were informed nor agreed.

[@OrangeDurito]

At the heart of all the greed, it’s always insurance companies. The whole insurance business seems like a legit way of running a massive scam.

[@Shlogger]

Medical insurance too.

[@angelgjr1999]

Insurance is technically a Ponzi scheme.

[@altrag]

Insurance as a concept is important - it allows individuals to amortize costs over time, and groups to amortize costs across the entire group. It allows for the ability to handle unexpected large payments without driving everyone to immediate bankruptcy. Insurance _companies_ on the other hand are a problem. Like all companies, they want to charge as much as possible (increasing revenue) while providing as little as possible (decreasing costs). In most industries if you pay for something and the company doesn't deliver, it's immediately obvious that there's a problem and where the problem arises. It's pretty hard for a furniture store to blame you when they don't give you the chair you paid for. With insurance however, you will typically be paying for _years_ before they have to actually render any sort of service, and because their costs are definitionally "unexpected", there is often significant ambiguity they can rely on to try and weasel their way out of providing the service you've been paying them for all those years. Sure you can sue them, but few people have the money - especially immediately having to eat a massive cost that the insurance company _should_ have covered but is refusing. Insurance (of any sort) is not really an industry that works well under a free market - that enormous time lag between payment and the unexpected nature of service delivery kind of breaks the whole concept of a market. You can somewhat fudge it with sufficient regulation, but that's at best a band-aid solution designed more to appease the desires of ideologues than the needs of the consumer.

[@Vor567tez]

The most ironic thing is. Insurance companies can get this much data but police can't use this data to find criminals and missing cars. What F up world we have made. Where only money is only concern.

[@altrag]

@@Vor567tez > police can't use this data to find criminals and missing cars They generally can. The difference is the police (typically) need a warrant because we have some protections against government overreach. We have close to zero protection against corporate overreach, and the few we do have rarely get enforced and in the even rarer case that happens it often results in a comparatively trivial fine. The EU has been doing _slightly_ better at consumer protection over the past decade or two, and Lina Khan's FTC has (apparently) been getting more active in the US recently as well, but there's still a lot of deference to corporate interests over consumer welfare, and the US in particular can rapidly change tracks every few years thanks to their absolutely-everything-must-be-polarized two party political system.

[@eyesontoast1105]

Im more shocked that every day I turn on my phone to videos and exposès. How does eveyone NOT see, every corner of our lives is being invaded. Phones, TVs, street cams, facial recognition, CARS, anything with a bloody screen! And most people don't care. How are we so daft as a society???

[@jcdesantis69]

what can we do? There not daft but when the only entity (government) that can help us has been neutralized what do you want us to do? If you have a plan im in.

[@Akac3sh]

I don’t know brother. It scares me genuinely.

[@justinbuddy56]

@@jcdesantis69I wouldn’t say neutralized, more so paid off. Lobbying and gifts/donations for congressmen are really good at swaying votes.

[@eyesontoast1105]

stop buying products, speak out even if it sounds crazy, stand up for our rights to privacy instead of tiktoking and shrugging because its provides funny videos and convieniece. Most people would look at you sideways if you even mention that you DONT want AI nor voice command nor anything else that operates with agency in the background against your knowledge. Support compaines that are pro privacy as much as possible. There are loads we can do but we just dont.

[@Keegmeister]

Bought my first car about a year and 3 months ago. A 2015 Hyundai Elantra. Parents were confused when I said I wanted to keep it for life, but stuff like this is why.

[@navajojohn9448]

I don't think my 1999 Saturn SC2 is spying on me the last 15 years. I'm 64 and doubt I will be buying a computer to drive around in the future.

[@kelf114]

I'm 60 and my 1998 Grand Marquis LS will last me the rest of my days. Big, comfy, and better mileage than the econo-boxes of today.

[@robertsantiago953]

Your premium will increase for refusing participation in their study 😂

[@ickster23]

They will be putting on place laws I'm the next few years banning vehicles over a certain age. Follow what the UK is doing if you want to see what will happen in Canada or the USA on the next 5+ years.

[@drizzify7850]

I wonder if anyone has gotten a reduction in cost from these reports or do they just raise them....

[@noneofyourbizness]

my guess would be absolutely not, never, no. Tthat would be anathema to the tiny number of folks in the shareholder class who own and run america

[@andresmattos7541]

This tech is to steal more money not to improve safety or help people save money

[@USBEN.]

Same as solar energy power to the grid, they might make your bill zero but never pay you the profits.

[@Akac3sh]

Only to raise.

[@kasio22B]

You'd be lucky if your rate stays the same nevertheless a decrease...

[@Frankenslide]

Makes me love my 2008 Nismo 350Z even more!

[@zestiny_]

What a gross we live in. My own car that costs tens of thousands of dollars is spying on me just to make more money off me...

[@FirstLast-vr7es]

Making more money for people that already have enough to wipe with $100 bills instead of toilet paper.

[@Baron9969]

The next thing to ponder is, if they're doing that, do you REALLY own your car?

[@zestiny_]

@@Baron9969 Thats what really gets my blood boiling

[@mrvovo]

Also your "smart" TV, your phone, printer, refrigerator, washing machine, dishwasher, etc etc

[@Jojo.R.Chipelago]

I've only ever been able to afford an old car at this point in my career, but now I'm gonna be buying pre 2010 models for the rest of my life man, I don't even care if they run like ass, I'm never buying a car out of the dealership if this is how they'll treat me.

[@LMWildlifeSanctuaries]

This was very informative and i am sure alot of people didnt know this. Thanks for sharing and investigating this.

[@rajdivecha]

The governments and regulators are (on purpose) failing to address this and they are falling way behind (on purpose) and not catching up with the technological development.

[@noneofyourbizness]

(rich...yes, they are) shareholders make sure their handouts increase. "the american dream"

[@JaskanFactor]

all the civil servants and CEO's belong to same masonic lodge where they plan to screw over the public. The government wants to spy on you more than the insurance company. Mark my words, Not too far down the line , your shiny modern car will be issuing speeding tickets to you by itself. They are trying to get rid of all human interaction in thier workflow so everything and anything is 100% automated. All the new cars, new gadgets are a trap.

[@kyrollos0208]

What are you doing to solve this problem?

[@RaulV22]

Vehicles should have a “Disconnect” option so that no data leaves the car and cannot be collected at a repair/maintenance facility.

[@alternamasaki429]

I call this nonsense They should have a "Connect" option to opt-in to this privacy violation

[@potatoman147]

yank out the microphones & sim chip with pliers. cover cameras with nail polish. Or buy an older model car.

[@mwk1]

@@potatoman147 soon there won''t be such option to buy an older model car, because of all that eco bullshit and regulations...

[@pootube1982]

I spoke to a guy who worked for the security services a few years ago, who focused on tracking vehicles. I assumed this was installing trackers, but he explained that any car made in the last 20 years or so can be pretty accurately tracked by just plugging into the OBD-2 port and accessing the data that’s already been logged by the car. If you make a journey then everything you do is logged, and if someone wants that data it’s not difficult for the police or others to get hold of.

[@DzrtClaws]

Side note - if you ever see smoke coming out from under your hood, it’s best to pull over, shut it off, and call emergency services. Opening the hood gives a fire oxygen and will make it way worse - keep that fire starved of air! Stay safe out there!

[@Greg-TC]

Yes, however if it's only a little smoke and you have a fire extinguisher in your car, putting it out yourself is likely the difference between the car burning to the ground or not. Even with the hood closed, there's a lot of airflow into the engine compartment so opening the hood doesn't create as extreme of a backdraft as say opening the door to a burning room that is otherwise sealed off. That said, you're of course likely to stay safer if you just walk away and call the fire department

[@domm6812]

No that's silly. There's plenty of airflow under the hood even with it closed. As the commenter above said, you may be able to put it out. Don't just walk away from your car if there is a bit of smoke.

[@GardenerEarthGuy]

My work truck keeps uploading a couple games that I have to delete every week.

[@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket]

Downloading* Turn off it's internet, your car should not be connected to the internet anyway. There's a sim card in there somewhere pull it out. Or just disconnect the antenna for the cellular radio.

[@cutterl4216]

U have an app virus on the truck delete all unused apps off phone and that typically fixes it. Or a factory data reset also will fix it.

[@tlwisner]

Thinking I'll keep my old car.

[@sibericusthefrosty9950]

Me, looking at my bicycle: ARE YOU COLLECTING DATA FROM ME!? My bike: ...

[@honestreviewer4864]

You’re not funny😐

[@lawrencefrost9063]

hahaha!

[@lawrencefrost9063]

@@honestreviewer4864 no you don't have a fucking sense of humor. It was excellent comedy.

[@v1kt0u5]

@@lawrencefrost9063 he was sarcastic ¬¬

[@Mevi]

Can't trust those bikes, man

[@ajames283]

This is the kind of content I subscribed for!

[@yogendrapatel8791]

Corporations and government all over the world are hands in gloves in this act of collecting individual information.

[@patr10t762]

The very definition of face s him

[@_nimrod92]

Nothing is going to change until laws are put into place that punishes companies that conduct consumer data harvesting for profit. Like I get it insuring people is not easy but where do we draw the line on what needs to be known about us the consumer. I think a car’s only functionalities should just remain at the car being good at diagnosing what caused mechanical failures. Why does it need to record anything more than that is a complete violation of privacy.

[@elliotoliver8679]

There is ZERO prospect of that

[@cleroyster2610]

How many of the rates went down, for safe driving traits?

[@jeffm5099]

Hah! Now that's funny

[@noneofyourbizness]

my guess would be absolutely none, zero, nil. That would be anathema to the tiny number of folks in the shareholder class who own and run America

[@logicrealitytruth]

I’ve been aware of this for many years and it is appalling! I have an excellent driving and credit score, but I drive a 2007 car because I refuse to be under constant surveillance and submit to the tracking programs by insurance companies that no longer offer lower rates to safe drivers unless you attach one of their surveillance devices to your car. Last year was the first year in over a half century of driving that I dropped the collision and comp because insurance premiums got so outrageously high. It is uncomfortable going without those coverages, but I can’t afford the high premiums. Other than one towing claim almost 20 years ago for getting stuck in the snow, I’ve never had a claim. I won’t buy a new car because I don’t want a distracting computer or the surveillance. This is all too insane for me! 😱

[@Praisethesunson]

Car companies know if you commented on this video.

[@julkabulka4]

and I would like to let them know that I will pay anyone who can hack it so that the car becomes completely invisible to the internet and any wireless communication systems (despite most likely loosing features of the infotainment system, gps, bluetooth and all that other crap I don't use anyways) and i will do it in bitcoin too :)

[@jensenraylight8011]

Car companies already Recreate a chinese made Clone of You currently work in a Sweatshop. from years of taking photo of your face, fingerprint and record your voice

[@Praisethesunson]

@@julkabulka4 That would be a violation of the DMCA. Which has a stiffer court penalty than literally stealing a car

[@gdawg51]

Lol

[@a64738]

Ooo holy omnipotent car company and benevolent insurance company, I have sinned by breaking hard for a sheep that was standing in the middle of the road right after a hilltop AND I accidentally watched a Trump AD... Please forgive my sins and do not disable my car or 100.000 double my insurance...

[@techraptor4947]

Having your car spying on you while you're having sex is crazy! How aren't more people outraged by this?

[@coconut7490]

Do they record it and post it on the hub or smth? How do they even gather that info 😂

[@techraptor4947]

@@coconut7490 my guess is they have small cameras and microphones inside the car.

[@th3m3du54]

@@coconut7490Well you link your phone and allow it to sync all sorts of stuff, many people are very careless about what they write, say, film, or even do with their handheld devices. 👻 it’s Snowden all over again, people did not get the memo; we are speeding towards police states everywhere at full throttle. Time to medidate about what is really important in life, one hint: it’s family and freedom.

[@danielja1832]

This needs more views. When is America going to decide to implement more stringent data protection laws?

[@georgielaforge4239]

Thanks for informing/warning us about this. 🙏🏽

[@LividImp]

Me: If insurance companies raise rates if you are driving too fast, do they lower your rates if you change your driving habits and slow down? Insurance companies: [cricket sounds]

[@RoseanneSeason7]

Drive with phone off cause the insurance apps spy

[@joricka]

The most luxurious thing about my Toyota Yaris -05 is the fact that it has a CD-player. But then again, data collection is not possible.

[@WesMann]

I'm guessing this is nothing compared to the data they're getting from our phones.

[@vulcanfeline]

and our dna

[@DoggoWillink]

Yeah, phones are significantly worse. They literally have cameras on both sides now, and are with us everywhere. It’s the perfect spying device, and they’re willingly used.

[@patr10t762]

For about $15 you one buy a signal blocking bag to put your devices in. Starting at $250 one can get a phone with an open source operating system. Choices are available one has to be willing to sacrifice convenience for privacy.

[@collectorguy3919]

This is mass stalking, and any threat to privacy is a threat to democracy.

[@OneSingleCheezIt]

Driving metrics such as acceleration and braking are collected by food delivery apps such as Doordash and Uber. Having watched this, it’s pretty much confirmed that they sell this data to insurance companies. If that weren’t bad enough, the metrics aren’t even accurate. I’m a very conservative driver, yet my Doordash driver app constantly says I’ve accelerated too fast or braked too hard.

[@sharkusaurelius1591]

I have a 2014 truck, when it dies I’m on the fence between fixing it or upgrading to a 1996.

[@ZariainYT]

0:17 So best NOT to have $€X in a car since your own car would betray you by notifying the car company lol

[@Nivianaj]

All this tracking / data collecting and cars are still getting stolen, accidents are still happening and car prices are not getting cheaper. Just raising prices on insurance is all we get. Great

[@th3m3du54]

If there is one thing worse than banks, it must be insurances….

[@walter1oo1oo1]

I recognize the Same patterns as when they introduced the safety belts in the Cars or the helmet for motorbikes. At first everybody refuse the news, then reluctantly accept it, then start to understand the advantage, finally start feeling it totally needed

[@MadBroStudio]

So my new electric car, which is a garbage chassis around 2-4 motors, with a battery that will be lucky to last 5 years, a PC which will slow to a crawl after 2 "updates" also has to spy on me to make car companies more money? Why do we tolerate this?

[@timebot000]

cuz evil will use you whenever they can, as we have become lazy, compliant, and way too trusting, then we give them $$$, so...

[@kyrollos0208]

@@timebot000 Then a solution would be to draw barriers for what we will and will not accept.

[@briandh91]

@MadBroStudio You're tolerating this by giving them your money to buy the car.

[@custos3249]

Because we keep voting for politicians who work for corporations rather than picking literally anyone else, because "they don't have a chance to win."

[@AvadaVendetta]

Because they don't want to build things that last, they want you back as a customer

[@mikairu2944]

Yeah not getting a modern car until this is all illegal as fuck

[@PrafulMeena]

Thanks for such informative videos as always 🕊️

[@ThugByChoice]

Definitely not getting a new car now.

[@averyjames4623]

Bought a 2012 Chevrolet, replaced my ECM and the stock stereo. I don’t plug in my phone, radio and CD only. Radar and laser jammer warn me if there’s a cop nearby. I will NEVER buy a car made after 2015.

[@gearheadtechnology]

2012 chevy at most has onstar, just remove the on star module and you're done lol

[@custos3249]

You can probably buy a little newer now. Ever since thebullshit with cell companies ending their 3G and previous networks, those onstar packages no longer have a network to connect to.

[@andreabell9194]

WOW. Yet another reason to love the Honda Element! My cars are both 2008s. No spying!

[@gillbates21]

dystopian future auto company: allow data sharing or well drm your ability to even start driving