Eugenics: A Historical Perspective - CSHL public lecture

[@thepalettewhispererasmr1227]

Im 11 minutes in and still waiting for you to discuss the social impact of Eugenics on Black America, i.e. MARGARET SANGER Edit...you left out a Lotta stuff bro

[@galegrazutis964]

Why is everything always about the blacks. The Jewish have has an extremely bad history in regards to racism probably worse. You never hear them keep belly aching about their history!!

[@groovecouple4644]

It was a huge impact too..

[@dschrads13]

Wonder why..the fact the institute that founded the ideas that Hitler co-opted and implemented in the Holocaust of nazi Germany is astonishing really. And to suggest it was all done in good faith when their entire institute was founded by extremely wealthy white Protestants in order to tighten their control over America. CIA ties as well. The CSHL is a modern day thought-terrorism organization and should have been defunded decades ago.

[@robertprice9052]

Today we have economic eugenics going on. Middle-class and above families tend to marry later in life and have fewer children, whereas those on the lower end of the economic spectrum start having children younger and may or may not marry. So I guess the question is should the government limit benifits to discourage or limit births of those who cannot support themselves? We do know that the larges driver in poverty in America is single-parent families. Let's talk....

[@diannh2894]

No. Its consumerism and greed. Big banks gotta go.

[@robertprice9052]

@@diannh2894 no one makes you spend or borrow money. The “poor” in America make stupid decisions. We see it everyday. The middle class in America tries so hard not to look middle class that they stop their own progress. Do this; ask a person what they do with their time and money, then ask a wealthy person.

[@diannh2894]

@@robertprice9052 and the other problem is this is a debt based system and everything belongs to the banks. That guy speaking is a eugenics apologist.

[@robertprice9052]

@@diannh2894 My comment was that eugenics happens naturally, but is driven by economics and income. Educated intelligent people tend to be higher earners, but also have few kids later in life. Poor people have more children and start younger. The economy is not debt based, people spend by using debt. I don't buy using debt, except for my house. I'm at a point where I pay cash for cars, but that was years in the planning. My daughter finished college 2 years ago with zero debt. People acquire debt because they have no discipline.

[@diannh2894]

@@robertprice9052 yes but you have to admit they make most of the money thru debt as well

[@levanamcneillylittle9902]

This guy is jumping hurdles to make Eugenics seem like a good thing, and to minimize the evil of forced sterilization.

[@mightyea]

It’s all playing God… controlling life. What arrogance.

[@christopherstewart1163]

Can the inalienable rights of an individual be supplanted by State? In this country, the process of dehumanization then rationalization is required. The process of utilizing scientific "conjecture" over the moral rights of the individual has been used by the state to justify slavery, sterilization, and abortion. Despite the fact that the science at the time contradicted these conjectures or at the very least was inconclusive, scientists published social policies in the guise of science, for the people's own good. As these policies stripped individuals of their right, scientist remained a silent hammer the nailed the fate of the innocent. Shame? Repentance? no no no.... it was simply a miscalculation.

[@YSLRD]

And so many can't see a similar process at work with the virus: little science, plenty of regulations. Also, abortion numbers are much higher in minority families. Silent eugenics.

[@koenvanbaal4485]

Excellent insights/analysis. Looks indeed like they’re still trying to sell this under the guise of ‘for the benefit of the people….’ Cognitive dissonance at it’s best. Sickening.

[@josephr.gainey2079]

3:58 Actually, schools for the blind and the deaf existed for some time before the Progressive Movement. In 1849, here in Spartanburg County, SC, Rev. Newton Pinckney Walker established a school for the deaf and blind. The state of South Carolina started funding it in 1856. The school still exists. There were others. The Connecticut Asylum for the Education and Instruction of Deaf and Dumb Persons (now known as American School for the Deaf) in West Hartford, CN dates from 1817.

[@3ngi_n33r]

When did th3 prog move start? 1850’s ish? Seems like that’s the magic number

[@koenvanbaal4485]

Interesting to even make a distinction between ‘positive’ and ‘negative’ eugenics. At around 30 minutes the topic is ‘pre-natal diagnoses’. So in fact this is indeed one big PR show for the Eugenics movement. Nice…

[@lngwnd1]

👍 I agree

[@zachmoeller8609]

Eugenics was thought to be ethical in preventing future generations from inheriting bad qualities like downsyndrome

[@rickrobitaille8809]

This is unbelievable everytime I read or hear it..who are we right🎯🇨🇦🇺🇸

[@papatorr3669]

I hate to say it but this was minimally informative, not helpful, rambling presentation, dabbling into his politics. And then left out the q&a segment promised at the beginning. It did make me more aware that the US was ahead of Germany, and has continued decades afterwards with a variety of eugenics tactics. And he then reminded us that, oh yeah, China is worse than us! Hahaha, mostly a waste of time, given how much he COULD HAVE shared!

[@buffhotchkiss7400]

Arrogant left pontification

[@sandtx4913]

This is hard to listen to. I'm only 10 minutes in and all I hear is him defending it. I recently watched this documentary on e.ugenics, much more informative and realistic kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpezhZR4oc2YfaM.

[@jaimejaimeChannel]

No mention of Jews, for the sake of any young people who might be watching this and who might not know. ?? I think that's a big omission.

[@mightyea]

It’s done on purpose. It’s not real history if they don’t mention Who… created this idea.

[@davidwright5657]

Everybody should study this. This very well can help understand what us humans really are.

[@rogerlong6969]

I think that positive eugenics has a place in reducing ecological overshoot.

[@someone9608]

Parents with children with intellectual disability and/or complex violent and delusional type mental health disorders that impair their ability for self care and to financially support themselves once they reach adulthood would actually prefer their children be humanely sterilized (with dignity) so that they can ALL lead happier, freer lives without the worry and burden of children repeatedly being produced (healthy or unhealthy) as their teen or adult children act on normal hormonal impulses to have physical relations with others. If the motivation is a kindness to better their lives (as aging parents worry who will care and protect their adult loved one with the aforementioned type of disability once they are too old, infirmed or have passed on), then it is the morally right choice for the parents to make on behalf of that person’s best interests. Not society. Not government. The world is already a cruel place to those who are poor, chronically ill and/or disabled. Once the parents have passed, there is no one left to protect and care for the person, let alone any children they produce. This is the only type of eugenics that should ever be considered and the decision should be made by the parents of the person with the disability who does not have intellectual and financial capacity to care for offspring, because the parents have unconditional love for their adult child and their motivation is based on kindness and compassion.

[@twilajohnson2313]

Nonsense. Eliminating groups of people for arbitrary reasons no matter what your intention can never be good. And you just skipped over all the racism all together

[@galegrazutis964]

Sorry dit care what anyone thinks there are certain people who blood line does need continuity!

[@Shortfarmingking]

@@galegrazutis964 you can’t even speak English properly so yours can go first

[@Zowie39]

Now called txhumanism. Js

[@izzydahn3186]

He left out the huge role eugenics played in the Atlantic slave trade and the institutionalized racism in the Western Hemisphere......

[@groovecouple4644]

I don’t know how much of an impact eugenics had on the Atlantic slave trade as the British Empire abolished it and blockaded the West coast of Africa in 1850-1851 to stop slavers, but _afterwards_ eugenics definitely had racial overtones . The author George Watson discussed this :” The Marxist theory of history required and demanded genocide for reasons implicit in its claim that feudalism was already giving place to capitalism, which must in its turn be superseded by socialism. _Entire races would be left behind_ after a workers’ revolution, feudal remnants in a socialist age; and since they could not advance two steps at a time, they would have to be killed.” (The Lost Literature of Socialism) Essentially racism, progressivism, and socialism swum together. Karl Marx himself came close to advocating genocide, writing, “The classes and the races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way.” ( _New York Tribune_ 1853) This progressive idea was so pervasive on the Left that as George Watson explained: “From Engels' article in 1849 down to the death of Hitler, everyone who advocated genocide called himself a socialist.” ( _The Lost Literature of Socialism_ ) I find it ironic and un-amusing when I see African American college student wearing a Che Guevara shirt because he was an un-apologetic racist. “The Negro is indolent and lazy and spends his money on frivolities, whereas the European is forward-looking, organized and intelligent.” ( _The Motorcycle Diaries_ ) Again, a Leftist. Anyway, it’s a complex subject but thankfully the real history of who were truly the racists in the Western Hemisphere hasn’t been completely hidden….

[@Moshie71]

Interesting, no Q and A?!

[@rabidfarmer9765]

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Dont allow democrats to tell u you have to kill your unborn child to help society.

[@Paul-th9vr]

That is the truth, about the attempt at good intentions. History is infested with the more enlightened among us attempting to benefit all of mankind. Like the various times witches were either burned to death or eradicated in some other noble fashion, to try and better societies. As Rabid said good intentions don’t help societies every single time.

[@youfreego]

03:13 04:30 06:06 06:22 08:39 09:30-- 10:17 12:49 14:59 17:24 17:42 22:47 23:48 27:15- 28:24 30:53 32:21 33:53

[@kristynnye1286]

I feel like this guy is down with the eugenics movement😬.....

[@iwannabethekid34xc]

Who isn't?

[@galegrazutis964]

@@iwannabethekid34xc YES ABSOLUTELY!

[@lukeaustin4465]

@@galegrazutis964 Eugenics is ungodly, it's simply another way of trying to play God.

[@N8TVTripper]

So if that one law was never overturned, why isn't it relevant now?

[@cowtoyscbc]

If you want the history see on KZbin : Eugenics and America's Campaign to Create a Master Race: War Against the Weak (2003)

[@someone9608]

Agree with your suggestion. Edwin Black has researched this thoroughly and presents the ugly truth about American history. The guy presenting in the video above has selectively watered down the truth about the shameful practices of eugenics that happened in American history (and sadly inspired Mengele and Hitler to commit their own atrocities and crimes against humanity). Historical eugenics was never done to help people, only to extinguish them from human existence. Sadly, self professed ‘elites’ in science and the economy now use eugenics in the 21st century for their own perverse cultural, social, academic and economic gain. Survival of the fittest doesn’t only reference physical or intellectual ability, perhaps it also references the fitness of your soul (to demonstrate caring and empathy of those with physical/intellectual challenges on this earthly plane of existence).

[@cowtoyscbc]

@@someone9608 It is my opinion Fauci is trying for a near extinction event to try to stop genetic entropy and it will fail miserable for mankind. Fauci is not god he is however a monster right next to mengela the angel of death. We will be look at 5 plus billion dead at his hand and the rest of his handlers and crimes against humanity. I only pray I am wrong but I don't think I am.... God help us all.

[@maryshaffer8474]

There people who don't want children but are forced to have them.

[@galegrazutis964]

ABSOLUTELY!

[@rickrobitaille8809]

Policy and political implications

[@rohankale1000]

You keep ignoring that IQ is highly heritable and lowering of average IQ via dysgenics will have a devastating consequence.

[@ThaTurdBurglar]

Yes, but IQ is not a perfect metric, and even if it were, it would not tell us anything about consciousness or what is the meaning of life.

[@rohankale1000]

@@ThaTurdBurglar You have to have lived in a third world country to know the importance of IQ. And I fear America is quickly becoming one.

[@debravictoria7452]

@@rohankale1000 America has been on that path for a while, seems to be picking up momentum. The school system has been used for indoctrination and dumbing down. Does a higher IQ make one less likely to be socially engineered? Just wondering. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@rohankale1000]

@@debravictoria7452 It's actually the opposite. People with a mid-wit IQ, 100 to 130 are more prone to indoctrination. Unless of-course the person in question is autistic, neurodivergent, or genetically programmed to be a conservative. Political beliefs just like IQ is heritable.

[@shamtradtam3769]

@@ThaTurdBurglar IQ is the most perfect metric we have. Much more solid than everything else in psychology. Dysgenics is horrible thing that's happening. So the west basically is going to become like 3rd world in a few decades. Thankfully, East Asia will remain

[@Paul-th9vr]

Who in their right mind would ever believe that they are the arbiter of acceptable human genetic traits lol. Only God can make that decision and He never would, because He has let the world be filled with a infinite amount of genetic variability for His own purposes and to ever believe that we are capable of making such determinations is ludicrous and foolish. Would the world have been better off without a Stephen Hawking? Or anyone else who has been a positive influence on our world. Look at the Helen Keller story and the inspiration that her devotion to the deaf and blind gave us all. We have no ability to be able to ever make such decisions about another human being, we don’t even know enough about ourselves to decide such incredibly important decisions that could be horribly detrimental to another human being.

[@dwaynedwayne8979]

He has a tough time trying to say that eugenics was a leftist idea that they continue to this day.

[@1cont]

MARGARET SANGER spoke just like this. Killers.

[@TheDaddyGatePodcast]

The third reich was ideologically conservative...this was an idea that was and is embraced by both sides

[@ernsturbainczyk5116]

Y

[@buffhotchkiss7400]

Arrogant know it all. Fortunately most people are not interested in this diatribe

[@PopsRacer61]

@@1cont ..Margret Sanger was against abortions and snuffing out life . But she was a proponent and creator of birth control and planned parenthood. ( there is a difference ) She tried to end "back alley" abortions which was prevalent in AMERICA because abortions were illegal of course at the time..

[@rickrobitaille8809]

This is such a dark concept 🎯by apparently we're learned men🤢🇨🇦🇺🇸🌐

[@karinespahr150]

Well, actually it’s poor life conditions and/or despair and/or lack of education that causes violence and criminality

[@valgarcia7011]

Exactly, imagine what I have to live in a country like Mexico, where people are used to living in precarious conditions and do not realize that their traditions and the way of thinking is what does not let them out of poverty, it is very sad to see that reality every day, it is a very violent environment and the people who do not have money are the ones who have the most children

[@galegrazutis964]

Poor life conditions you say!? What about poor life DECISIONS!!!??

[@valgarcia7011]

@@galegrazutis964 You're right, but the worst thing is that people don't realize that, worst of all, they blame everything except themselves.

[@galegrazutis964]

@@valgarcia7011 Well maybe these people are not the ones who should be passing on their DNA?

[@valgarcia7011]

@@galegrazutis964 I agree with you

[@jonathanjollimore4794]

Some of their garbage is still floating around

[@Avicena-tf5uj]

5:26 9:23 11:00 15:50 19:50 21:10 26:50

[@dalekirkendall5283]

Your talk is better than many others I have seen lately, I want to see videos about the brand new science of 2019 , let each race and each family decide what they want, and keep the race mixing doctors and scientists out of it.

[@supermanziggy]

Dale Kirkendall you seem prejudice.

[@serf6355]

Dialogue w the audience?

[@jaynemacklyne1462]

An enlightening and helpful lecture

[@antonralph6947]

The problem with humanity is a theological problem not eugenics. It's called Original Sin. The solution is theological it called repentance. Only Christianity can deal with the problem of humanity. Only Christianity has rightly diagnosed the problem and solution.

[@PopsRacer61]

..this is science (REAL), Christianity and all other religions are FAKE and MAKE BELIEVE. Which comes from the word BELIEF. Get it? MAKE BELIEVE

[@saturationstation1446]

you are afraid of death. thats the only reason to believe in religions. coward lmao

[@Paul-th9vr]

Anton Christianity has not always been the answer to our problems, in society. Look at the Salem witch trials, and the Inquisition in Europe. Human beings make mistakes, God doesn’t ever make a single error Anton, remember when Jesus said many will say Lord, Lord I have believed, and Jesus said I do not even know you! Why did He say that Anton?

[@stigmatizedminstrel1837]

Thanks

[@thepalettewhispererasmr1227]

Slippery slope...

[@galegrazutis964]

Darwin had the right idea!

[@stevensibbet5869]

As a disabled person, I would say my life hasn't been worth it, good genes are everything.

[@Paul-th9vr]

I know that human beings are NOT knowledgeable enough to ever make a decision about genetic acceptance by certain individuals who think they have the capability to make such decisions. Would society think it would be beneficial to have aborted a fetus that had the same defects as a Stephen Hawking? Or anyone else who was not genetically acceptable to a certain segment of society. God doesn’t make mistakes, but human beings most definitely do, and all the time, just look at the progressive societies of today. Rapacious behaviours disguised as being caring or kind for the good of mankind, and yet turn out to be unbelievably corrosive to the well-being of major segregation of our “Enlightened” societies. The poor and disadvantaged left to survive in a hostile, abusive environment as we now see, in so many major urban centres around this world. We are not mentally fit enough to ever make such decisions about people having acceptable genes, and who has the hubris to think that they can ever make such decisions!

[@stevensibbet5869]

@@Paul-th9vr God Doesn't Exist.

[@Paul-th9vr]

@@stevensibbet5869 Steven if you want to erroneously believe God doesn’t exist, do human beings have a good enough record throughout history until the present day to think that we are capable of making such unbelievably important decisions? Just take a look at the state of our world, and seriously defend the notion that humans are capable of making such momentous changes to societies. Just a tad arrogant I would think Steven. I guess removing the possibility of a Stephen Hawking from happening is acceptable to you way of thinking Steven? Or the love and devotion by a Helen Keller to the deaf and blind is inconsequential to the rest of our societies well-being and our personal lives as well? If you are just stating God doesn’t exist that is entirely your right to do so.

[@Paul-th9vr]

Steven you sound bitter and resentful about your physical condition. That is your right to feel like that, but how happy are you really Steven? There is always someone else who has had life more difficult or painful.

[@stevensibbet5869]

@@Paul-th9vr Any White man over the age of 22 who still believes in God has got something wrong with him.

[@rickrobitaille8809]

🎯🌐

[@rickrobitaille8809]

Hippocratic oath 🌐🤢

[@teresajohnson5265]

Mmmm.....too much 'understanding'...

[@lngwnd1]

My 6

[@rabidfarmer9765]

I am all for sterilizing criminals - lol. They are mostly democrats.

[@rabidfarmer9765]

@Red Guy - i am a eugenicist and i am not even a Democrat. LOL

[@Paul-th9vr]

Even the most insignificant individuals have a important reason for their existence and it is not up to humans to decide who lives and who dies.

[@rabidfarmer9765]

@@Paul-th9vr -once a person's criminal past is longer than my arm and be un-useful part of society, then it is time to put the axe to the grinder and use the sharp edge if the blunt side did not do its job. The rotten part should be cut out so not to contaminate the good useful part. Just look at our jails - full of dead-weights fed by my tax payer money. 🤣🤣

[@lukeaustin4465]

@@rabidfarmer9765 God has the final judgment, not man. Eugenics is simply another way of trying to play God.

[@rabidfarmer9765]

@@lukeaustin4465 so you think criminals should roam free in our streets and do as they wish?

[@rickrobitaille8809]

It was 🌐🤢