Cole MacGrath VS Alex Mercer | inFAMOUS VS Prototype

Sup ya’ll! Welcome to the first legitimate video in my Power Scaling Versus series and my biggest video project to date: Cole MacGrath VS Alex Mercer. Get your orange juice and celery sticks, and feel free to comment your thoughts below.
Segments:
• 00:00 Intro
• 00:58 Who Is Cole MacGrath
• 02:13 Who Is Alex Mercer
• 03:37 Attack Potency & Durability
• 05:20 Cole MacGrath AP
• 10:59 Alex Mercer AP
• 17:51 Speed
• 18:53 Cole MacGrath Speed
• 21:02 Alex Mercer Speed
• 22:35 Cole MacGrath Intelligence
• 23:52 Alex Mercer Intelligence
• 25:24 Cole MacGrath Powers
• 30:21 Alex Mercer Powers
• 34:27 Fight Analysis
• 42:19 Outro
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[@HeWhoDwells]

There were a few audio glitches I didn’t catch while editing this. They’re too small and infrequent to warrant reuploading, but enough to have me go off on a tangent about it here :)

[@darrylisaac9400]

Since Aaron beat you in a debate did you change your mind

[@HeWhoDwells]

He didn’t beat me in a debate. I simply stopped talking to him because he’s an idiot.

[@cristianechevarria5855]

@@HeWhoDwells who is Aaron and what KZbin name is his?

[@BigblackDavis]

Your talking about durability when cole regularly gets almost killed by bullets and explosions. Mercer is eventually bulletproof and can eat a lot of explosive damage with his shield and I even think Alex’s armor could be made to be insulated from electricity if it isn’t already. Don’t think insulation can save you from that much energy though

[@theinsurance2450]

​@@HeWhoDwells What do you think of this Alex fan boy video. Do you think he is full of it or something kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2W2q5WJo5t_ars

[@morgancongedo4107]

I hope Death Battle watches this before making the episode (If you didn't know Cole VS Alex has been officially confirmed to come in season 10)

[@phoenixfien8361]

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[@ChazWalser]

“This world sure isn’t perfect, but it’s a lot better without you in it, asshole.” -Cole MacGrath to what’s left of Alex Mercer before destroying it permanently

[@DeFactoLeader]

In retrospect, I think it was probably a little foolish for them to turn Mercer into a villain for the Prototype sequel. I think part of the reason why Prototype 2 didn't do as well was simply because people didn't like the turnabout from what was ultimately a heroic act at the end of Prototype, an open-ended chance for some redemption, to then have his turn towards villainy handwaved in a sequel comic most people didn't read (and the reason he does so is a little ham-fisted, imo). I don't think it helped that Heller was just less interesting than Alex, perhaps a little too comical given the game's dark tone. It's a hard ask to have fans suddenly accept a whole game where, literally from the first scene, the guy you spent the last game with is now your enemy and the narrative doesn't even really delve into why. Maybe they did this because they couldn't get back Barry Pepper to voice him? In a sequel with Alex as the protagonist, we maybe could have seen him unlock new abilities and fight much more powerful foes. Perhaps by the time we reached a theoretical 'Prototype 3', THAT Alex could have given Cole a run for his money. As is though, the more comic book-esque power that the inFAMOUS world possesses is just a bit too much for the guy. Great breakdown, man.

[@Bumblebee2006]

I think if Prototype 2 had Alex as the main character, they could've developed him more as a character more than a generic terribly written villain.

[@duncanmcokiner4242]

It's a shame too, as Heller is actually a great character. I'd argue he's better characterized in 2 than Alex Mercer is in 1. But he'll always be remembered as the guy who replaced Alex by a lot of people. With regard to Heller being "too comical", he's a Marine. If you've ever been around them, you know the sense of humour they have.

[@goodhunter9791]

Highly detailed, extremely fair, and supported with facts and logical deduction. You sir have earned my respect.

[@sunflow57]

I agree. I like Alex but Cole pretty hard counters everything he has.

[@generaldaedric]

“and it’s our job to analyse their weapons, armour, and skills to find out who would win in a DEATH BATTLE!”

[@phoenixfien8361]

They need to make a video out of this, I would love to see the battle

[@derrickhaggard]

This was confirmed to be a future Death Battle when Chad low-keyed confirmed it during the Q-And-A Aftermath of Lucy vs. Carnage episode of Death Battle Cast as when the question of "Why didn't Carnage fight Alex Mercer as that was a requested match-up?" was brought up Chad replied with this response "While we did consider doing Alex vs. Carnage we decided not to as we're saving Alex for a future episode in which he takes on a opponent that he has been requested to fight since Season 1." pretty much low-key confirming yeah we're going to be seeing Cole vs. Alex as a DB eventually. And then Ben on his Twitter straight-up stated that yes the future DB that has Alex Mercer as one of the combatants that Chad alluded to was Cole McGrath vs. Alex Mercer with Ben then going into some detail about the fight with what he could share without spoiling anything major being that the 2 versions fighting will be Good Cole from Infamous 2's Good Karma Ending aka Cole with the combo of Electrokinesis, and Cyrokinesis, and the Villain Incarnation of Alex/Blacklight Virus Avatar from Prototype 2 as those are the canonical versions of the characters but feats and stats attributed to Evil Cole and the Anti-Hero incarnation of Alex/Blacklight Virus Avatar from Prototype 1 will be brought up as outliers.

[@morgancongedo4107]

And now it's confirmed! It's coming in season 10!

[@josuelrobles6612]

Leave a like for Cole to win the battle

[@abura2980]

Even if Alex Mercer lose, I still am happy to finally see these 2 characters fight, I've never played Infamous, but I fuckin love Prototype, it's one of my first video games I've ever played

[@mrcellpowerus]

Love your vids

[@morgancongedo4107]

I'm gonna enjoy this one💪

[@HeWhoDwells]

I hope so, this is probably my most ambitious video yet, though I feel like I could’ve done better.

[@morgancongedo4107]

@@HeWhoDwells i watched it all, and I think you did a great job analyzing both characters and make people understand who wins and why

[@goliathxanatos706]

I know these characters better than most. I know how they work and their disadvantages. But I must say, you e done an extremely good job at breaking down the fundamentals as well as the advantages analytical nuances of each of them nigh perfectly. There is some things that could’ve either been changed or adapted in your script in terms of production like the audio quality sporadically varying from normal mic quality to “I’m in a tunnel” type of frequency. But that’s just the presentation. I’ve always backed Mercer on winning this match in a equal stats scenarios as it’s far closer and more interesting than having their base stats being wildly different. Even in regular debates I’ve backed him. But how your broke it down within each sections gave me better perspective on things I already knew, but seen in a different point of view. Especially when taking the comics and statements hyper literal. It’s cool seeing how Cole would be bare minimum on the Beast’s tier at the start of Infamous 2 and that his output of lightning is greater than the tactical missiles it later shrugged off. Also liked the touch of showcasing both Good and Evil Cole as well. The thing I found most interesting is how you interpret the Ray Sphere explosion from the first game. The fact Cole was hurt to me was more a plot device set up to make him more powerful later on, rather than anything to do with his actual durability since his conduit physiology was dormant until the activation of the Ray Sphere. In essence, Cole was just a regular human and should have said durability equal to that. So I interpret him surviving as a plot device. But how you explained your interpretation and the fact other characters claim that conduits could survive the epicentre of a Ray Sphere blast, makes me reevaluate my interpretation. Good stuff. Overall, I enjoyed this video. I love both characters to death. I always found the match up fascinating because of the direct opposing force they represent in terms of their physiology. But I can concede that Cole would win against Mercer in their natural states. I’d still debate how he could win in that scenario through the virtual infection or dna splicing, but that’s another topic. Adding the equal stats part was a great touch in the end. 8/10 video from a expert of these guys. It would be a 10/10 if the aforementioned issues regarding presentation weren’t there. Nevertheless, highly enjoyable. You have my respect 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾

[@youngbando2376]

This video was amazing,great job👍

[@mc_rysiek5277]

Yo, I wasn’t aware of the shattered moon stuff. Awesome find! And awesome video!

[@Mikey-2449]

As a infamous fan, I thought Alex would win easily. But after watching this vid I was surprised to learn cole is a lot stronger, and has a lot of counters to Alex. I guess it’s because Prototype does a lot better job of making you feel like an absolute powerhouse compared to infamous

[@theinsurance2450]

When Activision made Prototype the main goal was to make Alex feel usable. While Infamous goal was to build Cole up to defeat a powerful future enemy the Beast. This mainly happens in Infamous 2 more than 1. Which makes Cole seem way more powerful. As Cole fighting against a being who can take a nuke like it nothing and fight monster creatures with armor that can take missiles. Army of ice solders who are constantly evolving throughout the game.

[@morgame3377]

Prototype kinda reminds me of what a venom game could look like

[@anotherone3284]

Thanks man

[@KirbyJet14]

10/10 Video. Can't wait for your Delsin Character Analysis, although I don't think Delsin is that good of a character. Still like Character Analysis videos either way, anyways keep up the great work 😎

[@HeWhoDwells]

Thanks for the feedback! More likely than not, the Delsin Character Analysis is probably going to be my next big video. While I do believe Cole is an objectively better character (given how he has more time devoted to him in terms of content and writing quality, especially since the script for Second Son was incomplete at the time of recording) I do think Delsin is still an interesting character in his own right, and has much more depth to him than most people think.

[@chimpo961]

Well That's a very good analyzing on both characters, but Cole is definitely going to win this fight. I'm actually quite excited for the episode of death metal on 25th of September

[@5hyper7form94]

I have a question If we were to place Mercer in the world of Infamous and have him encounter and fight some lesser conduits before facing anyone on the level of Cole, would he adapt fast enough to stand a chance? Perhaps he would even consume these conduits and gain some new powers?(assuming that the powers of the conduits can be traced back to their biology, I see no reason why Mercer wouldn't be able to mimic it to some degree after consuming them) I mostly agree with your scaling here, but I do think Mercer would come out on top if these 2 were placed in the same set of lore.. ESPECIALLY if mercer can grow by consuming conduits Edit: A few added notes.. I find it quite difficult to scale Alex in prototype 2, since he seems to toy around in the final boss fight. Also the fact that heller obliterates every infected in the city after consuming Alex tells me that he had some kind of "biomass-overload" due to the sheer amount of biomass Alex had consumed and stored over the years, but this isn't concrete so using it here would probably not be completely fair. Lastly, I do think everyone vastly underestimates the speed at which prototype characters move and fight.. Kinda like a Kratos-esc "not lore accurate" in game feats type of deal. But again, not concrete

[@izauraschmidt2756]

Conduit powers are based in biology. They have their powers because of an awakened “conduit gene”which is similar to the x-men mutant gene. So yes, alex mercer could consume conduits and gain all their abilities+ his near immortality powers, he could most certainly defeat cole. But thats just my opinion.

[@TheEndless935]

Crazy how 2 years later, DEATH BATTLE just confirmed that Cole would win in a fight against Alex.

[@thebatmanofneo-gotham5667]

Yeah, after listening to this video, this is definitely one of those fights where Alex Mercer would need at least more than several years worth of power growth, adaptation, and preparation to even hope to match Cole MacGrath in stats. Because as it is with their scaling currently, Cole absolutely blitz-stomps Mercer in seconds without even trying.

[@esotericenigma4049]

Prototype fans are crying right now😂

[@darknessedgelord7998]

@@solorhypercane5041 lmao prototype fanboy crying

[@HeWhoDwells]

Yeah I’ve known him for a couple years. He runs an extremely unfunny meme account on Instagram and has been complaining and moaning about this stuff for just as long because he doesn’t understand how Powerscaling works. Didn’t know he had a KZbin, but it’s good to know so I can block him. I have absolutely no interest in interacting with him.

[@darknessedgelord7998]

@@HeWhoDwells he is always bitching when his favorite character loses, he is on every video doing the same thing

[@HeWhoDwells]

@@darknessedgelord7998 I also like how he got every single number I stated in the video wrong and I guess ignored the part where I differentiated running speed from reaction speed lol

[@sneakyking]

I am crying.

[@ckproductions5572]

Love this!, What was the song at 37:14?

[@HeWhoDwells]

Glad to hear! And as for the soundtrack, I believe it’s Main Menu from Prototype OST

[@goldenphantom2259]

I'm writing my own research for this fight and I was wondering if I could use this information you've displayed in this video? I promise that I'll credit you.

[@HeWhoDwells]

Doesn’t matter to me dude, go ahead. Credit isn’t necessary.

[@CinemAlecXL]

Oh shittttttttttttttttttttttttttt lol

[@lazysaturn5872]

did you think death battle did a good job on this fight?

[@ladylike_uncle2103]

Please do James Heller vs Delsin

[@ripperstorm1086]

My god I never knew cole was that fucking strong, I loved the infamous games but my god. I came in here thinking he would lose but his feats are crazy asf

[@theinsurance2450]

Yeah that's mainly because of 3 oversights people give the character. 1. His survival of the blast, 2. His actual attack output, 3. His abilities under the surface. 1. His survival of blast is something I also looked over. But it makes sense. Kessler himself admitted multiple times he wasn't sure he survival and Cole was clearly injured from the blast. However I believe this is because conduits have a resistance towards the blast energy. That being said Ray Sphere was still new and Cole didn't have mental or physical training to endure it affects like Bertrand or Alden did. Which why he was hospitalized for 4 days. The Beast Ray Sphere blasts don't have the side effect. All conduits come out just fine. However Cole still got blow away and hurt a bit but WAY less than the first time. This probably because the Beast blast is more control and no damage on conduits he intended to turn. But Cole level of no harm indicates he's most likely more durable now than the first time. Either that or John was trying to not hurt him too but has limits of his control. 2. Cole has way more attack output. The cutscenes shows this better than the gameplay. For example it takes survival grenades and Rockets to take down the helicopter in gameplay. But during a cutscene Cole while injured takes down one helicopter with one Grenade. Cole also able to hurt the blast who is completely unfazed by military attacks. Cole able to fire off the RFI which has so much power its energy cover the entire planet. Cole lightning storm attack one shots Ice giants and monster giants. Both of their armor is completely invulnerable to Rocketts, flying cars and grenade attacks. 3. Cole has the power to see changes in the human body thanks to John. John gave him the power to see the plague along with the conduit gene. So Cole is able to see Alex is not human. Also unless they are invisible. Cole Rader pin points the enemies locations before Cole even see them. So he can sense Alex a theat regardless if shape-shift into someone else or loses sight. When a enemy is in disguise Cole can pin point them too as growing red. Shape-shifting is form of disguise I don't see why this won't work either. What? The machines can locate the virus regardless if it shape-shift or not. But Cole who can sense electricity (which is inside people too by the way) can't sense Alex. I swore the prototype Fanboys really overhyped viruses adaptability. The virus can't adapt to avoid a scanner how can it adapt to pass Cole's sense that can see pass disguises. By the way Cole sense is not base on sight. It base on the electrical neurons in the brain that give off threatening intent. Which Alex would be having in a fight against Cole. No virus is covering that up.

[@Axlrazer]

@@theinsurance2450 cole put enough energy into the rfi it covered the planet and cole in inf1 is able to use his electric sense to see across cities lol

[@theinsurance2450]

@@Axlrazer While the RFI energy was killing him at the same time. Showing Cole will power. Alex doesn't have enough here to win. Cole can see pass his disguise. Alex virus won't work on Cole. He shown resistance towards Sasha tar which works similar to a virus. The tar was also fuse with water Cole weakness and he still was able to shake it off. Not to metion it is possible the blacklight virus might mutate do to Cole's unique DNA and make him immune to the change or Alex mind control. Like it did to James Heller. Who just a regular guy. Not someone with a conduit gene. So Cole has a even higher chance happening to him. Which would make Cole turn into a prototype. Making him even more powerful. Alex wouldn't take that risk, especially after what happen with James Heller. Finally Alex could try to consume Cole. However that might backfire. Alex consume people by fusing his bio mass with their blood (while they are in a near dead state). Bio mass and blood is 70% water. If he tries to consume Cole it woukd just shock Alex hurting him. It would take awhile for his cells to adapt. As his blacklight virus cells don't adapt as easy or fast as the fanboys like to think. Especially against Elemental attacks. It takes awhile to build a immune. While Cole could Bio leech Alex at the same time. Which would just make Cole stronger. Plus it absorbs the nervous system and all electricity in the body. Cells are power by electricity. If the electricity is gone the cells can't work and therefore can't adapt. The nervous system being attacked also means Alex will have less control over his cells from his brain. Cole gets all the advantage while Alex gets nothing. Finally like to add that Cole Supply his energy easier. Electrical energy sources are stationary and Cole can locate any easy. He can also regain energy by combat with his Amp and with his electric field grenade. As he can drain electricity from it. Alex can only get bio mass from any organism bigger than a bird. He has no Rader sense which means he will have to find it the old-fashioned way. Also these organisms run, hide and move. So good look trying to grab one quick and fast in middle of a fight.

[@kermitdegamer]

The end credits of the first game said that the nuke was five times stronger and bigger then the nuke used in Hiroshima

[@yekkub9425]

Damn, I didnt know Alex Mercer was this strong! Regarding Cole, it's pretty disappointing that people put Cole's raw physicals at human level when he can literally use his arms to launch himself a significant distance upwards while climbing, and can also overpower a guy (Kessler) during a good old-fashioned pushing match who can create what are AT LEAST mini-earthquakes with punches, even in his injured state. I do have a few problems with this video though: I dont see any reason to believe the Supreme Hunter would be able to survive that nuke POINT BLANK specifically. However, another character, Elizabeth Greene, was able to cause noticeable earthquakes from a significant distance away, which has been calced to multi city block level. Also, as for Cole, I do agree with his durability feat, but not the way you interpret him destroying the Ray Sphere. The Ray Sphere does look undamaged, but it could be damaged on the inside. Additionally, activating the Ray Sphere in the evil route is able to reduce the Ray Sphere itself to "ashes" along with John White. However, I do think Cole still scales above his durability due to him hurting Kessler, who could in turn withstand the stresses of producing enough energy to hurt Cole. I also disagree with the Beast surviving a nuke. That was kinda vague-looking, and for all we know, it could've churned his insides or knocked off a big chunk of him that we didnt see due to the fireball. I do acknowledge that hes a city buster though and his durability scales to that. Theres some others, but they pretty much just come down to values, and the difference in what I think vs what you think isnt big enough for the battle's outcome to actually change. Btw, this is kinda unrelated, but what do you think about the power of Samus (I've been playing Metroid again for around a week)? I think she's just kiloton-level (except maybe with the Animus) scaling off of the Volt Driver. All the feats that put her above that that are given by VSBattles all seem pretty stupid.

[@theinsurance2450]

I think the point was the nuke didn't killed the beast only weaken him and he came back like 1 minute later like nothing happen. Alex got hit from the edge of the nuke blast and needed a crow to either at best grow back immediately or at worst grow back at all. The Superior Hunter said once he consume Alex he could survive the nuke Blast. And him and Alex are around the same power level at that point. However this also makes it clear without each other they would have died. So does Alex surpassed SH by the end of Prototype 2. I would say so. But Cole attack power is greater than a nuke by the end of Infamous 2. So who knows. Cole was able to fully charge the RFI which could reach around the globe. That has to mean Cole's power output is WAY greater than that of a nuke. Cole was also about to bring the Beast to his knees with his attack power alone without using the RFI or a nuke. As for Kessler. I always assume he was using a form of Shockwave to cause the earthquake attack, not his own strength.

[@johnnyramos3178]

25:56 it was technically Zeck not Cole who created the AMP

[@theinsurance2450]

A lot of people forget Cole got all Kessler experience. Which is decades worth maybe even more. However I like to point the reason Kessler could have defeated the beast in his timeline is because that was Kessler in his prime. By time we see in Infamous 1 story. He old and tried which he points out to Cole. This would explain why Cole lost to the Beast in the beginning of Infamous 2. Because even though he beat Kessler it was a weaker version of Kessler than when he was in his prime. It's also implied Kessler is getting weaker when more time passes which is why he wanted Cole to defeat Beast knowing by the time it comes Kessler be weak to do it himself. That's not saying Kessler isn't powerful. He definitely is. Has he was on verge of beating Cole until Zeke cause a distraction and more motivation for Cole to win. Cole got experience of every person he read mind of dead person. Which includes a cop, Reapers, dustman, and even First son soldier. Reapers are drug dealers but we know Sasha was making Reapers. So it possible a lot them were veteran soldiers as Sasha would want them part of her army. Dustman are homeless which could also be veteran soldiers as many homeless are veterans. First son soldiers would be mercenaries or scientist or both. So Cole would have all their experience too. Kessler also said the longer the conduit has there powers the more powerful they become. For example Alden who Cole said at point was nowhere near that powerful. Cole was eventually able to beat him. Meaning Cole is coming more powerful at a accelerated rate. Cole was able to gain so much power by the end of Infamous 2. He was able to power the RFI to the point its power could reach around the entire planet. That beats Alex spread the virus through the city by a ridiculous degree. Also the virus variant will not be able to affect Cole. No matter how many variants Alex makes. Cole's body 24/7 is constantly releasing electronic energy. The virus would fire and destroy before it could even spread without Cole's body. Sasha been controlling her mind control agent for years and Cole was still able to resisted with only giving a headache. You also got to remember Sasha knows Cole is Kessler and has an idea how his powers work and still couldn't mind control him. Even Kessler when using Sasha powers couldn't get it to work on Cole and Kessler would have tried because he wanted to push Cole to his limits. Remember this happened all in Infamous 1. Cole got way more powerful since than by end of Infamous 2. We never seen the Alex virus work on anyone Super human before.

[@localdude2979]

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[@xxwales15xx33]

Cole has much superior feats but he'd have to end Mercer quickly. His adaptation ability and being able to consume anything gives him limitless potential

[@theinsurance2450]

I think people overhype the adaptability of Alex. It takes days for the virus to adapt to something. It tooks days for Alex to get the armor. Days for him to adapt to get an immunity to blooddox. A whole year to adapt to the bio scanners. Even electricity he only build a resistance towards, not invulnerable. Only time he adapt to something right away was the radiation from the nuke. Even than that a guess. As we didn't get the chance to see if he had any weakness from it as the story ends there until the time skip to the tie in comic which is days later. His adaptability also has clear imitation as he couldn't get pass James Heller mutation in other to control or consume him and couldn't survive blackwatch second attempt to destroy NYC, as James Heller clearly stated "No one will survive in the city" which would have to include Alex. When it comes to consume people and shape-shift it acts fast. But everything else it is just slow.

[@theinsurance2450]

@@WilliamDWeber He didn't take the nuke blast. He survival the edge blast of the nuke and use a crow to regenerate. Before you say he could regenerate without the crow then why even show it. It makes no sense. Why even do that? Why wait for the crow? Why even use the crow? Bad writing at best. Also if he knows he can survive the blast why run away from it. If the Supreme Hunter has the same power. Why didn't it survive the blast? Alex didn't consumed him, remember. He just cut off it's head, run away with the bomb, drop the bomb and run away until hit by the edge of the blast. Which means the Supreme Hunter should have regenerate back but it didn't. In Prototype 2 it said the nuke would kill everyone including Heller. Heller at that moment is more powerful than Alex at the final battle. We know this because this was close to end of the game and Alex has to consume 8 evolve just to fight Heller and still loses. You comparing Heller getting lit on fire at the beginning of game to a nuke is hilarious. There no where near comparable.

[@AxisChurchDevotee]

34:20 Isn't there an upgrade in game where you can fully regenerate health without consuming anything? The supreme hunter didn't seem to need to consume anything to regen from being a puddle and at the end of P1, Alex could likely regenerate fully without needing to consume a bird and it just sped it up. Another issue, you didn't seem to take Alex's defense adaptability into account since Cross used an electric baton in his fight with Alex which means Alex would likely develop resistance or immunity to electricity. Combine that with upping his defense to survive a nuke, wouldn't he gain enough resistance at tanking hits? Another note regarding the parasite, I think that can be explained as it adapting to him as it's essentially a combination of red and blacklight and with how the supreme hunter developed its own version of tendril barrage, it likely was able to match Alex's adaptability so there's no actual restriction to what Alex can adapt to.

[@HeWhoDwells]

On the topic of regeneration, while you could argue Mercer could regenerate his own bio-mass overtime, it would still take him an incredibly long time to do so. Considering in the time it took him to get back to shore after being caught in the nuke, he seemingly made no progress on regenerating his body until he consumed an outside source of bio-mass (I.e. the crow). Given how Cole holds like a million and one advantages over Alex in terms of Attack Power, Reaction Speed, Range, etc., he’d really have no trouble cutting Mercer down to size relentlessly and leave him no room to regenerate on his own or gain more bio-mass. Again, equalized stats may be a different story, as it essentially removes all those advantages, and it is likely Mercer could just play the long game and wait for Cole to eventually tire out. The problem with that line of reasoning for Alex’s adaptation and regarding the parasite is that there’s nothing in the game or external material to suggest Alex could actually do that and requires a ridiculous amount of assumptions. The only things Mercer has explicitly adapted to are Bloodtox, which was over an incredibly long period of time and could still affect him to a significant degree by the end of Prototype 1, and the Parasite that required anti-bodies from an outside source for him to properly overcome. To say that Mercer is completely immune to all forms of electricity after getting hit by a stun baton a couple times is kind of ridiculous. Especially when the things that Mercer has shown adapting to are viral agents rather than physical trauma. The only evidence to support him being able to adapt to the latter are the Hunters growing additional spines to overcome Mercer’s own methods of killing, which didn’t even really do much considering he could still kill them just fine anyway.

[@theinsurance2450]

​@@HeWhoDwells If Alex create multiple variance of the virus he could sicken Cole or turn him into an infected host. But I think Cole would be invulnerable to any virus because Cole body is constantly releasing electronic energy. The energy would fry any virus before it could spread or have a chance to adapt.

[@deadlysilence7474]

​@@HeWhoDwellsHasn't Alex showed the ability to absorb people just by touching them in the comics? How would Cole defend against that?

[@Axlrazer]

@@deadlysilence7474 cole has shown resistance to being torn apart on the atomic level not only but alex can only do that to people that are far weaker than him in power and or he has beat down

[@deadlysilence7474]

@@Axlrazer I've played both games and read the comics, and there was never one incident where Cole had to resist atomization. And Alex only has trouble consuming individuals who already have and use Blacklight virus abilities, Cole has neither of these and would get consumed by a touch.

[@revan1lord]

I've always wondered who would win between Jackie Estacado (The Darkness) and Alex Mercer (Prototype)

[@thetortoise5980]

Depends on which version of Jackie you’re using cuz game Jackie probably gets stomped by Mercer however comics Jackie is universal - universal + and MFTL - immeasurable so yeah Alex at his highest would get one tapped by comics Jackie

[@simeonferguson4954]

I think Cole

[@eliteghost1001]

Eugene sims vs Alex Mercer or James heller fetch walker vs Alex or James Delsin vs Alex Mercer or James

[@duncanmcokiner4242]

The only way Alex wins this is by having him act extremely out-of-character, like just dropping a bunch of Blacklight virus and running away with a disguise as soon as he realizes Cole is this much more powerful that he is. And while I think Alex could survive the intitial few blasts as Cole isn't going to be using country-busting attacks right out of the gate, Mercer just doesn't really think like that.

[@theinsurance2450]

Agreed it be completely out of character and he would have to know or have a decent idea of Cole's abilities which he won't be able to because the rules DB is no pre knowledge or prep time. Plus I don't think any virus variants is going to work anyway. Sasha has been working on her mind control agent for years and she already knows Cole is Kessler. So she would have a good idea of his powers. Yet inspired that she still couldn't control him. Remember the mind control was fuse with water in the water towers and water system. Water...Cole's weakness. Even when Kessler took control of Sasha powers. With Kessler knowing more about Cole's powers than anyone. It still didn't work. Cole's powers were still able to resist it. I don't see a change of variant virus changing the outcome. It has nothing to with cells interactions. It's about the electrical energy inside Cole killing the virus before it has time to spread or adapt. I feel like people overhype the virus ability to adapt. It can't even adapt to avoid a scanner from locating it. It's been attack by fire and bullets like forever and still didn't adapt towards it. I think it can only adapt towards things that specifically targeted the virus at a cellular level. Which would explain why black watch has a hard time finding a cure towards the virus.

[@duncanmcokiner4242]

@@theinsurance2450 It kinda did adapt to bullets and fire, tho. Alex got his armour mode and Heller has a perk that makes him bulletproof. But generally, yes. It is unlikely to be able to adapt to something as powerful as Cole, at least quickly enough for it to matter in a vs battle context.

[@theinsurance2450]

@@duncanmcokiner4242 True but the bulletproof perk is for Heller not Alex and Alex armor even though gives protection still has it's limits along with cost of Mobility. Plus it took days later for him after being shot to finally adapt a power to combat bullets. This battle won't last that long. I still think people overhype the virus ability to adapt. It takes time, a lot of time and exposure. Even then it not a 100% guarantee resistance.

[@duncanmcokiner4242]

@@theinsurance2450 It's not even the raw AP that's the issue. Mercer has shown that electricity is a weakness of his. My man can take tank shells without much damage but a shock baton is able to stun him for like twenty seconds.

[@theinsurance2450]

@@duncanmcokiner4242 yea but the whole weakness to electricity is debatable. Sure Alex was hurt by the electric baton and few hunters were killed if not extremely hurt from electric attacks. However since Black Watch been studying this virus for decades and never realize to use electricity as weapon, seem odd. Some say it a writing over sight or plothole. My best guess is the electricity only works on some variants of the virus, not all of them. Which would explain why black watch does not rely on it in the field, as on the field they can't tell which creature is carrying the specific variant. They probably knew at that point in time the variant version Alex has is weak by electricity. This makes sense since they already had a cure designed to destroy Alex's virus variant at that point. However Alex found a way to weaken out the cure so it possible Alex virus variant now works differently and is no longer has a strong weakness to electricity. Of course this just a theory.

[@rahsaanjohn-pierre6843]

nvm

[@Kykiskeeee]

can you powerscale the beast?

[@localdude2979]

That'd be great, in Kessler's future, it is shown that The Beast destroyed the fucking Moon, at Kessler Cutscenes

[@KH2KG]

@@localdude2979 how long did it take for him to destroy the moon or did he struggle to destroy the moon or did he destroy the moon without even trying

[@localdude2979]

@@KH2KG probably a second, like how cole shoots a beam of energy at the end of the evil ending when he gets the Beast's powers

[@KH2KG]

@@localdude2979 is coles powers stronger than himself

[@AverageDunce]

@@localdude2979 It was specified that Kessler could have stopped the beast at first in the first game's ending, but instead fled with his family, I think that the beast gains more and more power each and every time.

[@EvilAgony1]

the biggest thing here i see a problem with is Cole's need for electricity for his powers to function. if mercer stars the battle by destroying part of the city, (and there-by killing the electricity) Cole would be at a SEVERE disadvantage. not even including the fact that Cole's ability to find people doesn't take into account the fact that mercer would be the ONE person who could hide from him. oh you can track my normal self? cool, I'm gonna eat this guy over here when you aren't looking, and change that. its less about overt powers and more about being able to sus out the target in this one. the prototype series has massive amounts of stealth involved, and even bio-metrics cant stop an Evolved.

[@theinsurance2450]

1. What do you mean destroy electricity around the city. How would he do that. Go to each electricity item and cut its connection to the power plant. How? You can't just cut a wire. It doesn't work that way. The electricity is still going to go through. And how supposed to do that while also in a fight. It doesn't make sense. Also Cole gets electricity other ways too. In good karma he gets some energy when hits someone body. He gets his full energy restored when landing a untra finisher. Not to metion he has one electric grenade in Infamous 2 which he can drain the energy from before it explodes. Cole can know the location of any electric device with his Rader and they are stationary. They don't run around and hide unlike humans. Speaking of which. 2. What about Alex? He would have to find people to consume. These people are going to be running away and he have to chase them down and than run back to Cole. Where all he has to do is keep his distance. 3. That stealth is not going work. You clearly don't understand how Cole Rader power works. It reads the intent mind of the enemy and register them as a threat. Even if Alex hides and change into someone else. It doesn't matter. Cole Rader sense will still label him as a threat as it reads his mind intent. Changing into another person isn't going to change that. He will still have the mind intent of hurting Cole. It took Alex a year to learn how to adopt to avoid the bio scanner which are looking for the virus specifically. Bio scanner do not work the same as Cole Rader sense. So just because Alex could avoid those does not mean he can avoid Cole Rader sense which works completely different. Even James Heller who has better adaptability then Alex couldn't adopt to the bio scanner in the time span of the whole Prototype 2 game. Heck even the evolve who are immune to the bio scanners can still be tracked with the hunter sense.

[@cjbladesworth8049]

Post-Good ending Cole has unlimited Electricity, in theory Bad Ending Cole does too.

[@arandomthingintheabyss2062]

here a funny fact in most prototype x infamous vieos cole one of the only things that can beat alex the only other things being the beast and future cole

[@revan1lord]

I've always wondered, what would happen if Evil Alex Mercer absorbed all life on the planet? Just imagine how much knowledge he'd have. How much power he'd gain from such a thing. Being able to shapeshift into any animal, gaining full info on the depths of the ocean, he would be a true god.

[@GreatpowercomesGreatResponsibi]

Both characters have limitless potential. As Cole can get stronger with training and draining huge amounts of electricity. Kessler in his timeline was extremely powerful. He even found a way to travel through time. However 100 years of living and time traveling made him a lot weaker when he had to fight Cole. Even though Kessler was still the most powerful conduit on earth at the time next to Joseph Bertrand. Cole powers could also reach God like. He be able control all electricity on the planet. He can control it from all devices, the weather and even organisms natural bio electricity. His mastery electromagnetism will also have him control magnets even the magnetic pull of the planet. He could even could control the atoms and electrons. On an Atomic level. If Alex had consume all life in the planet. He be like God. Be able to survive anything. The hot lava, pressure from the deep ocean, survive vacuum space. He be able to adapt to anything in cellular level. He be super smart with billions of people's creative and smart ideas/brain power. He be able to have any animals abilities. Could adapt to almost anything. However out of two. I say Cole get the win. Controlling things on an atomic level is more impressive than controlling things on a cellular level.

[@revan1lord]

@GreatpowercomesGreatResponsibi This is very interesting! Give me some time and I'll get back to you.

[@thanosthemadtitan2037]

Yeah i dont agree with this one, good video tho

[@zachspool]

The second you brought up vs battle wiki, you kinda lose all credibility. Also you need to bring up the fact that Cole doesn’t do these feats himself and needs to have a outside help in order to even the playing field. If you account for this then Alex would only lose in speed. So I am gonna have to heavily disagree especially given Cole loses power much faster than Alex and if he can’t kill Alex in one go then he is a sitting duck for Alex. Also consumption isn’t the same as a black whole and if he even gets close to Cole then he is already infected. If you use what is commonly used for the characters then I believe Alex should win. The beast is not a good feat as Cole didn’t do that naturally and he was playing defense anyway. Cole just doesn’t have the endurance to outlast Alex. If you use vs battle wiki then you will get very unreliable results of very inaccurate character scale. Just look at Persona, Doom and even Marvel for evidence as to why you shouldn’t use vs battle wiki. Also I would like to point out that Cole can’t summon storms so he would not have access to unlimited power. There is too much evidence to dispute putting Cole above City level especially since Cole has never been in a fight that resulted in any feat beyond city. Combine that with the outside help scenarios with the beast and it’s easy to see why it’s dubious to just blindly believe that Cole is that strong. With this kind of scaling then we could get characters like Batman to immeasurable speeds as he could dodge a omega beam from darkseid. If you take consistency into account then both are on very similar levels of power with Alex having better means of restoring his power by directly siphoning it from Cole which can help close any stat gap that may be left which the only real one is speed. And even then this is only combat speed. Alex far in a way physically blitzes Cole on foot. Man I feel like I would not be as frustrated if you didn’t bring up vs battle wiki. They are so bad and are widely seen as the least reliable means of scaling

[@AmateurAnimations65]

Cole in the first game beat Kessler in a one on one fight, who was blatantly stated to be strong enough to beat his timeline's Beast, which is weaker than the Beast Cole was rivaling by the end of the second game. That said, the Beast in Kessler's timeline was shown to have shattered the moon. Even if you gigawank Alex and say that at the end of Prototype 1 he tanked the nuke and got ten times more powerful by his fight with Heller, one serious blast from just infamous 1 Cole should be powerful enough to vaporize most if not all of Alex's biomass, leaving him barely alive if at all. There's also a pretty blatant problem with Alex's speed. While yes, he can run faster than Cole, travel speed doesn't mean all that much in vs, it's reaction and combat speed that matters. The fact is that almost all of Cole's attacks are lightning fast, given that they ARE lightning, and neither Alex nor anyone else in Prototype has ever shown anything close to that level of speed. As for Alex infecting Cole by just being near him, that's not much of a win condition either. For one thing, Cole almost always fights at a distance anyway, and wouldn't let Alex get close enough for that. For another, Alex seems to have to actively infect people, as numerous civilians, soldiers, Dana, and a pre-infection James Heller have gotten within kissing distance of the man and been fine, so I'm not sure he even could infect Cole just by being close. Lastly, even if he infects Cole that's not necessarily a guaranteed win as we have no idea how the virus would interact with the conduit gene. It's possible infecting Cole could just turn him into an Evolved and make him even more op, though that bit's just speculation on my part. At this point I would want to say Alex could try and use stealth, shape shifting into a civilian and stealth consuming Cole, but that's useless too. Cole can sense where an enemy is, even if they're disguised, and has survived blasts said to rip people apart on an atomic level, conduits included, meaning he could likely resist being consumed even if Alex does against all odds manage to perform it. So in the end, Alex has vastly superior regeneration and way more experience and training, while Cole is powerful enough to one shot him, quick enough to blitz him, and flat out counters any hax Alex could try to use. On one last side note, while yes Cole's energy does drain faster than Alex's, he can also replenish it significantly easier. When Alex consumes a living thing, it restores a small portion of his overall power while when Cole drains one traffic light or generator, it refills his energy almost entirely and completely restores his health. If this fight takes place in neutral ground, say a city with lots of civilians to consume and electronics to drain, then the second this fight starts all of Alex's meals are gonna start running away while Cole will still have plenty of light poles, TVs, and traffic lights to keep him in good health with plenty of energy.

[@zachspool]

@@AmateurAnimations65 What?. Kessler traveled through time because he could not beat the beast straight up. That was blatantly stated. Also it is stated that Coles beast was the weakest the beast has ever been in its first fight as that beast was literally just rebirthed. And at the end Cole got bodied by the beast until he used the RFI which is also explicitly stated to weaken and kill conduits which would include the beast. It was the whole point. So no Coles best feats are city level. Alex if you offer him the same generous scaling could be wanked far beyond what you put him due to him consuming several evolved. Coles attacks are his only real speed advantage as the radiation beams that he is shot with are gameplay aim dodging. Basically if your faster than the dude who shot the beam then your good. This is consistent with Coles other speed feats being nowhere near that fast. So his only advantage is attack speed. And Alex can still easily press and close quarters advantage with his superior movement speed. This is a basic misunderstanding of the blacklight virus. Alex has full control over the virus. He doesn’t just infect people by being next to them but he can make that a possibility. He can spread it throughout the air and everyone who wasn’t already infected is now infected no exceptions. And it’s instant. Alex by P2 can control these people and the virus. Also Alex made those evolved specifically so there isn’t any proof that Cole could force an evolved reaction especially since the Blacklight virus has hundreds of new strands that are created each second. If we assume that conduit disease resistance isn’t exclusive to the plague then it still wouldn’t be enough to just resist as there is no proof they could resist something so potent. At best Col would resist a few dozen strands but let’s say he got lucky and resisted all of the strands, well the virus just made 100 more in 1 second. After that Alex would take advantage of the fact that Alex has far more influence over Cole and if you wanna talk about amping power, if Alex does consume just a little bit of Cole then he can gain power and resistance as he can evolve based on things he consumes. Also Coles durability is super dubious. Like the blast that created him was clearly due to the awakening of his conduit powers and any normal person or conduit would die as they don’t make any reference that normal humans or a basic conduit could survive multi city block attacks. That attack almost killed Cole too. Cole isn’t some insane tank. If Alex can damage him unless you can make the argument that Cole just can’t bleed or lose body parts then Alex can consume him. Alex can consume literally anything. He is shown consuming inanimate objects and all known matter at the deepest levels so I think that is not a full proof argument. And for this last point Alex has been shown to consume inanimate objects and turn them into biomass. So even if there were no civilians, Alex would have means of healing and Cole is far more vulnerable when on low energy compared to Alex. Alex can basically just do whatever he could do before but he can take less damage. The main thing I’m trying to say is that this fight in full context is far closer than people realize. If Cole wins then I wouldn’t be shocked but I also wouldn’t be shocked if Alex win either. Both have advantages they can press and I just think Alex’s superior physical abilities, IQ and virus Hax is just enough to win. But I respect the opinion that Cole would win. I don’t think it’s super one sided either way but it does annoy me when people overblow how one character beats the other. People do this on both sides of this argument. I’ll leave it at that and I’ll respect your opinion

[@drakenbum7751]

@@zachspoolCole draining electricity is a game mechanic, just like how Alex needs to consume humans to heal and Cole durability is only low when caught off guard. In the Infamous Comics conduit create their own energy, both Games get a Upscale Alex Scales to Island at best. While Cole is around Small Country level.

[@zachspool]

@@drakenbum7751 imma need a feat for that

[@drakenbum7751]

@@zachspool You have Discord?

[@rahsaanjohn-pierre6843]

one thing i disagree with that equalizing is head cannon if someone is weaker you cant change that

[@beyond648]

It's just a hypothetical situation where their stats are eqaulized for the sake of conversation

[@presi08AMA]

well if there was a multiplayer game that let you play as them with the exact same infamous gameplay for cole and prototype gameplay for alex then coles getting slaughtered

[@HeWhoDwells]

No

[@rahsaanjohn-pierre6843]

the beast cole beats alex mid difficulty only cause of his regeneratiojn

[@pimpdemon9458]

The nuke did do something to the beast it completly destroyed its body. The ball of energy we see at the end of the mission is clearly the beast putting its self togheter so no the beast didnt tank the nuke

[@HeWhoDwells]

That was a black hole, not a ball of energy. And it was heavily implied in the game, and outright stated in the official strategy guide that The Beast used it to absorb the energy of the nuke to prevent New Marais from being hit with fallout and killing any potential Conduits. So yes, not only did The Beast tank the nuke, he also absorbed it’s energy. The only time The Beast needed to regenerate itself was after being destroyed by the Ray Sphere and after his fight with Cole.

[@pimpdemon9458]

​@@HeWhoDwellsthat was not a black hole it was clearly the beast

[@HeWhoDwells]

@pimpdemon9458 Yeah, The Beast using a black hole. Did you play the game?

[@pimpdemon9458]

another thing i wanna point out is that kessler in no way scales to the beast from his timeline if he did he should have been able to actually beat it but no he runs away you dont run away from a fight and try to make a younger version of yourself stronger if you think u could beat a character. Not to mention the beast in cole's timeline doesn’t have anything multi continental impressive feats meaning it shouldn't even scale to the beast from kessler's timeline

[@pimpdemon9458]

@@HeWhoDwells its not a black hole its never stated to be a black hole its just energy and the beast regenerating i mean for crying out load the beast is made of energy

[@Pettam713]

the rays sphere was damaged by Zeke during the infamous 2 during the last mission, so that means Zeke has more power than mercer I guess he has more ap than cole, cole surviving the ray sphere blast while leaving an epicenter doesn't indicate a full-on blunt explosion or full effects of said blast, and yes, the ray sphere WAS meant to integrate its user with power, them dying means they aren't strong enough to acquire it. the guy speaking about the kid that survived and said he was strong most likely refers to his actual powers being strong itself just like cole. Kessler's earthquake strikes are done by using the metallic arm on his hands which causes shockwaves that produce during the fight. Plus Kessler killing cole would mean he doesn't exist, which then he fails his overall purpose, he most likely made up his mind to die at that point, the beast vortex/ suction power doesn't take that much "power" as your thinking it to be, at minimum the terminal velocity to suck a human being would be 120 mph that's it, its properties are what makes it dangerous. many things are misunderstood in this vid, vs battle wiki isn't always correct. another thing to account for is that coles feat against the mutant that eats energy is headcanon since the upper limit of what it can consume is unknown.

[@HeWhoDwells]

Amazing. Everything you just said was wrong.

[@Pettam713]

@@HeWhoDwells u saying its wrong isnt enough dispute it, atleast try

[@Pettam713]

During th first game mercer with NO upgrades, is able to lift and run with tanks with hinderance in speed, with none. Theres a calc that shows every being that ,ercer eats multiples his strength, since mercer at the start of the game hadnt consume anyone exept one guard, prob leaving his mass around the 100-200kg range, amd eacth person he consumes adds to said mass thus increasing his strength, possible multiple times over. Im not discediting coles speed tho, hes a quick one ngl, anyway, people wank the beasts feats, he teleports, he never ever oneshots mountains in game or comics, he casually teleports and uses his speed to his advantage, since he tags cole himself.

[@HeWhoDwells]

The Ray Sphere wasn’t damaged by Zeke, it was the RFI, a completely different device. Not only was the Ray Sphere shown to be completely undamaged by it’s blasts but it was also unscathed from being inside a collapsing building in the Post-Blast graphic novel. Being at ground zero of an explosion indicates that you took the explosion at the point of impact, so yes, it is indicative of surviving the full-brunt. I’m well aware the Ray Sphere is meant to activate the powers of Conduits, but the fact that Cole was heavily physically damaged and nearly died from it also indicates that the Conduit in question requires the durability necessary to survive the explosion itself as well. “The guy speaking” AKA John White said that statement directly after saying he found Cole at the center of the blast, meaning he had to be incredibly strong to survive the blast at that distance. There is no indication that Kessler arm is cybernetic and could very well just be purely cosmetic as several First Sons members are also seen wearing the same devices, absolutely no indication that it is the source of the earthquakes and not Kessler’s own physical strength. Kessler was also perfectly willing to kill Cole given that after beating the f#ck out of him he rants about how much of a failure he is and claims that everything has been for nothing, before Cole gets his second wind and finally defeats him. We also have no idea how time-travel works in the inFAMOUS Universe, so again, there is no indication that Kessler would have vanished if he killed Cole, and given that he had a contingency plan in the event Cole died in the Blast, he most likely wouldn’t have. The Beast’s gravity singularity is determined by the energy necessary to create a black-hole, and not whatever bs you’re trying to say there. Just because you SAY VS Battle wiki doesn’t get everything right doesn’t mean anything, and I notice that a lot of people just spout that out in an attempt to disprove everything from that site without question. And it’s ironic that you b!tch at me about “head canon” when this whole thing is just you talking out your ass and making things up, because you know so little about inFAMOUS lore that you can’t even get half the characters’ names right.

[@HeWhoDwells]

Mercer never lifts a whole tank. He only ever lifts the main body or the cannon, and the only vehicle like it that he actually lifts is an APC which is half the weight (30 tons). Link to calc. The Beast casually destroys entire cities in one-shot with explosions spanning hundreds of kilometers, which have been calculated within the Megaton to Gigaton range (I specified in the video that “levels” are not indicative of literal destruction and are just ranges covering the total energy of a feat. 100 to 999 Megatons is Mountain level, for example). The Beast’s reaction speed is comparable to Cole as he was able to consistently move and throw his attacks fast enough to tag him. He has never teleported mid combat and only ever did so after being nuked and during his meeting with Cole.

[@vonzealsheley6610]

I call bs there no way in hell cole can beat Alex Mercer yea maybe if he was The beast that’s the only way

[@dephony5648]

Do you just ignore everything in the video? Like, actual facts that Cole is much stronger and faster, and can keep Alex at long range.

[@kimaniHyman]

@@dephony5648 alex mercer couldn't keep throwing cars and tank at him spam wise and alex does have a instant kill move which he can inject something in your body and make you explode into tendrills

[@dephony5648]

@@kimaniHyman Cole has power over magnetism to send the cars and tanks right back at him tenfold, and his instant kill move needs him to be close, when he insta turns into mush to anything that Cole throws at him. Also Coles precognition powers will at least somewhat warn him to not go close to Alex.

[@kimaniHyman]

@@dephony5648 alex mercer can jump so high in the air to the point where he's with the clouds and can survive any fall damage and he can create earth quakes by super landing when I played the game

[@dephony5648]

@@kimaniHyman Cole can fall from any distance too, and he fought and beat Kessler that could create earthquakes much greater than Alex's.

[@levimorningstar2562]

alex can still kill cole as he's still bound by the nature of humanity doesn't having the capacity to endure a blast worth of destroying continent necessarily means the character is always that durable

[@levimorningstar2562]

the term you're referring cole as almost superior to a normal human, yes he can sustain blast from potent individuals, but that wouldn't separate Cole from being "human" overall Cole can still defeat Alex but like i said alex can still defeat cole one way or another

[@Jsipki265]

@@levimorningstar2562 what are you saying? Conduits were always more powerful than humans literally no name conduits have destroyed cities. Unless you have a scenario where Alex wins then cole almost always wins

[@dantehernandez7940]

Godzilla tried reading your comment and had a stroke

[@KH2KG]

@@dantehernandez7940 even omni man

[@Mrikeepgettinmoneyagain]

Alex can consume Cole along with all his powers