Collecting Handguns in England - Section 7

Handguns were banned in England, Scotland and Wales in 1997 after the Dunblane school shooting. To save historically significant handguns section 7 of the UK firearms act was created. Section 7 is focused on collecting rather than competition with the HBSA offering regular demonstrations.
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[@jeroendesterke9739]

I'm sitting here shaking my head at the utter lunacy that every British gun owner has to be subjected to. Utterly disgraceful.

[@pj4433]

Yep :(

[@Interdiction]

Not all British gun owners are subject to the MORONIC laws .Criminals do as they please and always will

[@DirtyGeorge]

This didn't age well

[@tb46475]

@@DirtyGeorge why not?

[@briankelly8297]

Seriously full auto AKs and mp5s 😂 that's actually Wild.

[@robertrobert7924]

Nowonder Bloke on the Range moved to Switzerland.

[@blakeslide6919]

As an American this is all hard to imagine but still interesting nonetheless. Gun laws throughout Europe are a very interesting and complicated subject

[@WarDogMadness]

ahhhh the unicorn licence .

[@tristanmorgan852]

There was a ww2 German pistol found in Swansea and it was destroyed very sad as it had the leather holster witch was very rare. We seem to destroy history with these laws shame they couldn't send it to a museum or something

[@ianmangham4570]

Disgusting

[@tristanmorgan852]

@@ianmangham4570 in what way

[@ianmangham4570]

@@tristanmorgan852 Destroying any weapon is a disgrace, personally i can't watch a firearm being destroyed. 😔

[@hetrodoxly1203]

It could have been deactivated.

[@c4four132]

@@hetrodoxly1203 could have also been given to a museum or any person or organisation with s5 aba authority. deactivating a gun is a very sad thing to do

[@malcolmholt8560]

if you are a drug dealer no license required.

[@benamos2878]

You'll get yourself in trouble for a non-crime hate incident if you're not careful!

[@britishgamer666]

Man, jail is just a place. Right? :))))

[@Cacowninja]

@@benamos2878 Plenty of criminals are slick enough to evade the law though and even if they aren't what's done is done. I mean if they kill someone, you can give them all punishment you want it won't bring the victim back to life. Laws don't protect people, self defense does especially armed self defense. Which is even absolutely necessary with deadly force at times. People are just going to need to fight back physically whether it be civil disobedience or violent rebellion. Same with my country of the U.S. or anywhere there's tyranny really.

[@Cacowninja]

@@britishgamer666 You can give a criminal all the punishment there is to sentence them to, it won't bring the victim back to life. Some criminals don't even get caught! What truly protects people isn't laws but self defense especially armed self defense. A lot of times you can simply scare off a criminal by aiming the gun at them but if things get hairy use your weapon well and the criminal will be the one in the body bag not you.

[@ianmangham4570]

This is why i chose the occupation

[@johnlea8519]

Well I can't say I feel any safer knowing that law-abiding citizens have so many hoops to jump through but criminals can buy and keep what they want with out asking Nanny first. Still I suppose it gives someone in the home office a job.

[@johnnicolaou554]

if you cant beat em join em

[@ThefirstNPC]

Exactly, the people that do have firearms are the exact people you don’t want to have one.

[@MickeyD2012]

It's so sick and sad what they've done to history, and they just won't stop.

[@cliftonjames785]

@@youtubeisgarbage900 and what exactly is he supposed to do? And how do you know he hasn't done everything in is power to change it? Such an idiotic comment..

[@headshot6959]

I'm willing to bet that nobody's even been inconvenienced by a Tranter revolver for over a hundred years. Beautiful things.

[@ThePippin89]

2:10 am I allowed to be slightly concerned about the chap loading a magazine, and cocking a pistol all with his finger on the trigger?..... 😳

[@rogueriderhood1862]

Yeah, not exactly good practice, the guy that runs my local club would go ballistic if anyone did that on the range.

[@ckg1776]

We still have pistols in Australia for sports use. Just needs to be 10 rounds or less, under 45calibre and for semi auto needs to have minimum 120mm barrel length and minimum 100mm for revolvers. So we have all the modern sigs, glocks, colts, s&w, CZ etc etc.

[@jackherer519]

2:07 dear lord that trigger discipline, i swear half the people who are able to own and handle these weapons in the UK handle them like kids.

[@JammyGuns]

Yep, that's pretty shocking, dangerous and frankly embarrassing. I've been a member of 4 different clubs over the yrs (Sec 1 & 2) and that wouldn't fly at any of them...

[@TonySmith-cd7jo]

@@JammyGuns Well you can blame UK gun laws for the lack of handling discipline, people just do not use them enough to form good habits.

[@JammyGuns]

@@TonySmith-cd7jo I think that's partly true, but again I very much doubt someone would get away with that at my current club (admittedly depending on the RO doing the detail - some of them are especially eagle eyed).

[@hoppinggnomethe4154]

this is perfectly normal decades ago not normal for today's standard...

[@simonrogersparachuteregime3022]

Seems too much hard work seriously....22 years service in the parachute regiment tactics and skill at arms instructor. Demolitions qualified. Range qualified Rco. Close protection in Afghanistan plus weapons instructor and LEICESTERSHIRE POLICE say I'm not in there spec to offer a license of any sort as I'm a high risk....i guess when asked if I hunt saying yes big game in Afghanistan didn't wash....I'll stick with my longbow

[@sullivanrachael]

I would stick to your guns; get a shotgun certificate or join a civilian sec1 firearms club and demonstrate that you are perfectly fit to shoot ordinary sec1 rifles before getting into sec7.

[@dunbar555]

it's a shame really. Thank you for your service.

[@coops9871]

Knew an RAF armourer who got turned down for his FAC .....despite the fact he has access to everything from pistols to HMG 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@harrybr0wn385]

I wouldn’t trust many of my ex colleagues with a firearm in civi street,

[@rob8975]

*faints*, *wakes up*, *considers moving to America*

[@joshuaradick5679]

It does have some benefits. My parents didn't know what to get all of us for Christmas since we are all at transitional life stages so they gave us a visa gift card. Next day I bought a new 9mm pistol. I hadn't even been planning on buying one so I shopped around before settling on an Arex Rex Zero 1. The purchase process took less than 30 min.

[@rob8975]

@@joshuaradick5679 Thats good and bad 😂

[@rob8975]

@@sid2112 after that capitol fiasco there’s probably gonna be a few bad changes that the red hats dont like, i probably wont like them either 😂

[@joshuaradick5679]

@@rob8975 I’ve never been violent with anyone, so as far as I’m concerned there’s no reason why I shouldn’t be allowed to have an M-240 same day.

[@rob8975]

@@joshuaradick5679 hmm, debatable. Look at the vegas shooter 😳 those things happen

[@atwogun7751]

There is one loophole to this. If you own a cream summer suit, trilby hat and leather wrist watch you can bypass the legislation.

[@EnglishShooting]

😂

[@acoow]

That must be a reference this American doesn't get.

[@Interdiction]

There is another loophole and one that is used by hundreds of thousands of people .Become a CRIMINAL ...So many guns in the hands of Criminals yet the decent people have to put up with MORONIC laws

[@SoloTraceur]

...with terrible trigger discipline

[@stephengrant7113]

One of the designated 7.3 sites is my "home" range , but with the costs of purchase , storage and limited range time , as much as i would like to own a Webley / Luger / Browning etc , regretably it is currently beyond me.

[@ironicchungles5912]

@Viktor Sligo gun ownership in general in the UK is a rich person’s game. While all the normal plebs can’t afford to buy a 2k locking cabinet + club fees etc and probably live in an urban area with no clubs nearby, Boris Johnson and his kin regularly go game shooting whilst telling us that owning firearms is bad.

[@JammyGuns]

@@ironicchungles5912 Honestly that's not true - you meet people of all backgrounds that shoot, in fact most are just ordinary working class people. Obviously you can find yourself in a location that just isn't anywhere near a club but that'd be more the outlier, there's usually at least something within doable distance (there are a surprising number of clubs/ranges in towns and cities too, most people just wouldn't know that they're there) and technically speaking you only have to justify usage with 3 shoots a year. I would say it does come down to the style of shooting you want to do though; game shooting is always going to be trickier and more expensive to get into. But for clay and/or club target shooting? Not really. You can pick up a Ruger 10/22 etc for peanuts (£150), your cabinet less than a £100, club membership probably another £100 (per year), and an FAC application is about £80 now I think, a box of .22lr CCI minimag about £10 per 100 at the moment. It's subjective of course - not as cheap as buying a football and heading to the local green etc, but then not exactly motor racing either. I agree with your last point.

[@jizzmonkey9679]

@@JammyGuns big problem is all the land being sold for building, lost both my permissions last year.

[@James28R]

@@ironicchungles5912 want some sauce for that chip on your shoulder?

[@tacfoley4443]

@@ironicchungles5912 Bratton-Sound, makers of Home Office compliant gun cabinets of all sizes - I have three - don't make anything that costs more than around £400 or so. Do some homework before posting misinformation. Our club in Northamptonshire has members who come from Essex and Oxfordshire, to name just two non-adjacent counties. £200 p/a? For shooting EVERY day of the week, indoors or out? How expensive is that in a world where packet of cancer-sticks costs £12?

[@Cloudberry46]

Do I need to inform the Home Office when and where I can use my water pistol, and can I convert it to take mineral water without applying for certificate of modification?

[@formicapple2]

Defiantly need to apply for a variation mate.

[@CarlVolt]

Certainly an interesting video. I hope this type of collecting becomes more available and grows the hobby and knowledge 😃

[@EnglishShooting]

I hope so!

[@jizzmonkey9679]

Chances are they will clamp down on it. Section 7 is already a pain in the arse

[@rebralhunter6069]

I love your videos, especially since there aren't too many English gun youtubers. It's really interesting to see what gun laws and culture are like over there. But god damn I had to stop this video a few times. It felt like I was about to have a brain aneurysm watching this.

[@EnglishShooting]

Thank you 🙂 if it's bad enough watching the video you should try living here 😂

[@ironicchungles5912]

You should set up a website for information on historic handguns that allows contributions from other users, that would mean you and other certificate holders that wish to hold these guns have a good reason to do so, and can point directly to a historic weapons information archive that they contribute to.

[@ApurtureSci]

If 7.3 items could be kept at home then I'd definitely go through the process of obtaining some, but the designated site requirements totally kill it for me.

[@EnglishShooting]

I could live with them being kept at a range, but the storage and range fees are ridiculous for section 7. Add in the additional maintenance and transportation costs I'd rather have more section 1 firearms.

[@stephenmaize5203]

@@EnglishShooting Are they that ridiculous for section 7?

[@johnnydiamondsmusic1673]

I used to have an FAC. Had to hand in my .44 Magnum revolver. Carried on for a few years shooting full bore target rifle and a .22lr rifle. Gave it up in the end as couldn’t keep up the number of range days and all the bullshit. Still got a Shotgun license and air/c02 weapons.

[@0570965]

Canadians have loops to jump through as well. Good luck to you and hope the new year is treating you well.

[@babaganoush6106]

Love the vickers on the sidecar

[@cromwellsghost3434]

These poor criminals having to go through all this rigmarole just to fire a pistol 😔😔😔 Oh wait a minute, don’t they just bypass all this security 🤔🤔🤔

[@quentinrequier8272]

Well it’s still an effort intensive process for them they have to get on a plane or in a car and go all the way to Belgium or Eastern Europe then they gotta mail it to themselves it’s a whole thing then they sell it for several thousand after buying it for a few hundred pounds and on top of that you gotta get a new one every time you use it on someone.

[@Kaiyats]

@@quentinrequier8272 What no they don’t they have people who that for them there is a whole black market guns get smuggled from the US in the mail hidden in electronics or they send it piece by piece guns can go for X5 the price they paid in America

[@britishgamer666]

If you check the statistics, you will see the most common used firearm used in crime is a sawn-off shotgun. Criminals usually source most of their guns from the host country, so... yeah. It's considered safer to do that then getting some guns shipped to the UK.

[@cromwellsghost3434]

@@britishgamer666 It’s handguns 55% on average per year.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

@@britishgamer666 But handgun crime rose after the bans. Even if what you're saying is true, the ban did not have the intended effects.

[@cdwg273]

The guy shooting the akm looked so angry. Probs thinking "I payed so much just to get this far and now all i can afford is steel case!"

[@bazsmiles9901]

This is a really helpful video, thank you for putting it together.

[@EnglishShooting]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@kez0o9]

I dident even know they were legal in there normal configuration I thought it had to have the wire coat hanger and extended barrel .Good video

[@EnglishShooting]

Thanks, the LBPs are for sport shooting (guns with the hangers on) and these guns are only for collecting.

[@skittles074]

@@EnglishShooting I believe you can use but have to keep at designated range like bisley and have to ring forward in advance for use of range days...kept on site in their armory obvs

[@Urbanspacefox]

I met a person who claimed to be an S5 holder once… They had a permit for a handgun as they were (apparently) working as an armed guard in a foreign country. Conditions: 1. On returning to the uk they have to check the gun into an S5 dealer within 24/48 hours.. (I cannot recall the exact number.) 2. They may only check it out 48 hours before scheduled departure. 3. May not carry ammo for the gun. 4. May not hold an S1 permit for guns of the same calibre.

[@goldilocks913]

This video should be subtitled ‘ Go through hoop no.1 . Repeat ad infinitum’

[@DTWTheWanderingMuzungu]

Since these must be stored at a secure site you'd have thought that all guns would be available to purchase because you can't commit a crime if you can't take it home. The process could be less bureaucratic as well as there's a point where the legal route becomes harder than the illegal route.

[@Kaiyats]

Homeowners should be allowed to own pistols for self defence I demand the right to protect my home and family if someone broke in

[@c4four132]

@@Kaiyats just get a shotgun then

[@joelsmith9311]

8:44 I’m astonished to see an old boy hip-firing a machine gun as he walks towards the targets, whilst spectators are sitting and standing forward and left of his firing position?! Seems a little unsafe....

[@Matt_The_Hugenot]

Not something I'd ever considered but right up my alley for certain weapons.

[@malcolmcampbell5102]

What a nightmare swamp of rules.

[@Nathan123Davis]

I plan on collection 7.1 handguns one day. I don't see the point in having a collection if you can't admire it at your home. I plan on collecting mainly German, Austrian and swiss self loading pistols. I really want to start with a luger in 30 luger and a c96 in 7.65 that are both section 7.1 approved if they were made before 1919.

[@perarduaadastra873]

Until 1968 British nationals were able to socialise with friends and family enjoying machine gun clubs. There was no crime in this licensed sector. Fully automatic was prohibited for collecting and for social recreation in 1968.

[@Offensiveword]

Permission for this permission for that ! I’v never lived in a free country! Lived in U.K. for 30+ years now Time to leave I think 🤔

[@kez0o9]

I remember the days when you could buy auto shotguns in Kay's catalogue a lot changed since Michael ryan and dumblaine

[@Gary-Seven-and-Isis-in-1968]

@@kez0o9 Mr Ryan and Dumblaine were the excuses that they were looking for to set upon us with this Draconian law. I'm not saying that either event wasn't horrific, but what I am saying that the reaction was total Overkill.

[@tristanmorgan852]

Don't go to the woods anymore as we can't walk in a park if you drove there in your car right now. Uk is not a free country anymore

[@BoSSLeVeLs]

@@kez0o9 facts👍🏻 delivered to the Door

[@Gav_80085]

See ya later, Bob!

[@andycarless9069]

Great my local range is on the section 7 list

[@Youcannotfalter]

what a lot of work involved to fire a pistol. Deary me.

[@EnglishShooting]

Enough to put me off, save the money, save the hassle, and go abroad

[@babaganoush6106]

@@EnglishShooting perhaps you could do a piece on where?

[@JammyGuns]

@@babaganoush6106Not abroad but NI is where I go, always the highlight of my shooting year. Newtownards gun club and NITSA are both very good (the facilities at the latter especially being exceptional) and of course it's all within the UK. Callum's done a vid on NITSA before. You can do it via the UKPSA or (what I did) just join the club outright.

[@babaganoush6106]

@@JammyGuns brilliant many thanks just the advice I needed.....and I haven’t been to Northern Ireland before and wanted to go for many years. When covid is over....just watch me. Regards

[@tristanmorgan852]

I'm glad that the historical pistols still have a place. I always felt bad that this happened didn't know about this law or the complicated situation

[@ubcbp]

Same here. It's the historical pistols that I've always been so concerned about. It's far from perfect(!), but at least this law exists. Another excellent and informative video from Callum.

[@3of11]

8:44, even gun nut Americans mostly would never tolerate someone being downrange while firing an automatic weapon.

[@simoontube]

Yeah that was bizarre

[@dsw1664]

If he's the sole one on the range 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@ianrobertsonRR1]

8:42 those people on the left !! Surely they should be way further back than that ?

[@davemartin53]

Nice to know good job 👍

[@EnglishShooting]

Thanks!

[@sonorangaming4450]

Whats the revolver at :047? Probably out of my price range, but would look great in my collection!

[@user-TROOPER42]

Could you do a vid on ww2 firearms collecting?

[@user-rw1wc7ig1x]

When a gun is potential for 7.3 then it’s price skyrockets, I bought my generic gen 2 glock for £300, but if it had been a first edition gen 1 then I’d have to sell my kidney to get one

[@harryzero1566]

Can you get a reproduction of a pre 1919 pistol? I'm particularly interested in black powder revolvers. With that in mind, can I make paper cartridges for them? I've also heard that some black powder revolvers don't actually like the fouling that occurs, the Schofield for example. Substitute propellants work better, are substitute propellants admissible?

[@JustAGuy93-G]

Would love to start an Austrian handgun collection just to finally be able to own a Glock 17 one day. As im pretty sure once i a steyr 1912 that the only way to go forward is glock or a modern steyr pistol. Wishful thinking much....

[@danielevans8910]

It makes me take for granted just being able to build one when I want to. Anything from Glock 17, to AR-15, to AKM.

[@coinboss5818]

Would be cheaper and less hassle to just move across the pond.

[@JustAGuy93-G]

@@coinboss5818 oh I'm definitely considering this.

[@coinboss5818]

@@JustAGuy93-G if you've got a passion for something mate follow up on it. Good food, good fun and alot more safe environments conducive to your hobby.

[@longnightofsolace7814]

I swear to god I thought that dude at 7:55 shooting a Lewis gun was Bernie Sanders.😂

[@ar45637]

What about blanks handgun

[@christopherhines2718]

you can also collect guns including handguns with no license at all! I dont know the exact date for the uk,but in netherlands before 1890,and you cannot have any that are profed for smokeless powders only Black powder,there are some exeptions such as some old rifles where the ammunition is completely obsolete.there are still some you cannot have in the uk,anything that shoots 22 rimfire,so you cannot have pocket 1860s revolvers,like the small smith&wessons,we can have them in netherlands.one in my collection a winchester 1887,lever action 12g shotgun.You can have that in uk too.But in the uk they insist the guns magazine ruined to hold only two shells.There a lots you can buy and collect,the only condition you dont try to buy munitions to shoot them,which you would not be able to buy anyway legaly.An offence only occurs,if you load the gun so it can shoot,as it is then a firearm and a firearm offence,same if you were to point one at somebody,to scare or to rob,Even pointing an antique gun at a home intruder A bluff to protect with a gun,your family,In theory you would still violate firearm law. You dont need to use a gun safe,but if you collected many,it would be best to lock them away,as the cost of antique guns is way more,than modern guns held on a FAC.Dont be fooled into thinking,all of these very old guns are allowed because they are too old to shoot,so not real guns. they can also be registered as firearms and held on an FAC,And many can shoot as good as new even if they are close on 170 or more years old.only downside is i think in the UK once you have a FAC,and register your antique pistol or shotgun to it,as far as i know,it then becomes a firearm,and cannot again be sold as a free to hold antique.Can only be transfered or sold to another with an FAC.Unlike netherlands,I bought my 1863 original remington new model army 44 from a Dutch man with a license,And was previously used,for cowboy action competitions,And range shooting at a gun club.so i know it works.But i never have tried to shoot it as i am attached to it,and want to keep it.In reality these types of guns are the best to collect.Because in a case of society collapse,or collapse of law and order,Or a zombie apocalypse,guns that need only percussion caps,black powder,and lead balls,easy to make useable again,flintlock muskets and pistols even easier,these guns would be around many years after the modern guns were useless as supplies of cartridges ran out.I will not mention here about how i have legaly in netherlands been able to buy and shoot some realy beautiful,very powerful guns,without a license.,one i owned was in foot pounds energy,more than 3 times as powerful,as my old remington 44.And it could shoot 500 grain ammo.And its made in the UK,only you cannot have it,export only.

[@ragnarsdad6065]

When the Tories banned handguns in 1997 they left it open for the public to own .22 rimfire pistols however it was planned to be very similar to section 7.3 in that they couldn't leave the club. If you wanted to take the pistol away from the club for any reason such as sale, repairs, competition etc you had to apply to the police for permission in advance. in the end Labour banned the .22 rimfires after the Tories were finished banning everything else so it ended up never coming to pass.

[@samuelmansell9749]

It's such a shame that they punish us like they do, debating on moving up north Ireland lmao awesome video bro

[@dsw1664]

Well that's me buying a lottery ticket 🤷🏻‍♂️😂

[@quentinrequier8272]

What’s that first one? I can tell it’s a modified webley of some kind but is it a .22 or some kind of prop gun maybe?

[@Blackguineapig]

.22 conversion cylinder and drop in barrel

[@Feakre]

From 02:06 onwards, this is terrible safety. Loading and cocking while his finger is within the trigger guard.

[@thebuilder3700]

well the Uk is pretty much a prison

[@MrNuts1985]

So how would I go about starting the whole process this is an area I would really like to get in to

[@tacfoley4443]

It depends where you live. The list of gun clubs with suitable storage facilities can be found out by calling up your county Firearms and Explosives licencing department. A good start is already having a Firearms Certificate. Without that, your chances are probably something a lot less than zero.

[@Kralkuscov]

Honestly? I understand why firearms are so hard to obtain in the UK but it's also kinda sad ngl, I'm not sure if it's changed but a buddy of mine wanted to obtain a firearms license for competition shooting, he did everything as asked but when it came to the mental health test, he got refused to go any further because he has ADHD, ASD and a mild form of dyspraxia, I can understand why he was refused to go any further with the vetting however it is kinda sad because I mean when you live in a country when you can't exactly obtain something as you can in the US (Yes I know the US has some serious gun crime, but they also do have really good ways of battling it which I support fully but also not so but that's a complicated subject for me personally) it can be rather agenising because he never asked to be given these traits, he never asked to have ASD or ADHD. Quite frankly he can't just respawn and wake up in a new body or mental state that's just not how things work, so he'll have to live as so until either laws change or until he moves countries which he has told me he won't because of family heritage. Honestly I would love to see some kind of change in the laws in regards of firearms and how they're handled something like the US but also something not like it, something in a way where it's controllable but also not a rare occurrence to own a firearm

[@erichuff6945]

It would be weird visiting England. I've never been without a handgun either on me or very close sense I was 14. I would feel naked without having a pistol on me.

[@purplerocket4300]

Like driving without a seat belt. You just don't feel safe without it on.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

@@StrathpefferJunction Funny how it's always the Americans who are close minded and need to travel, but not everyone else. Even though most people in their respective countries never/barely travel abroad and probably have irrational spite towards neighboring countries.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

@@StrathpefferJunction I didn't assume anything, you were talking to someone who happens to be American. My point is, I've seen this being said at Americans but nobody ever says "You know what? I'll visit America and broaden my horizons". Nobody ever says this. It's always "the American way of living is wrong, visit other places to see how to live the right way". I'm touchy for responding to a comment? You're the one touchy at the original comment. And I guess the comment was touchy for watching the video. And the person making the video was touchy at the Home Office. And they were touchy at guns existing. Should I stop or are we going to continue into this madness ad infinitum so we can understand who was the real snowflake all along?

[@Reknaw155]

Is anyone here gunna point out that Grandad in 8:43 is pretty bad ass, maybe he's a British version of Hickok45.

[@salvinsam]

those are some ancient looking guns.

[@villyvassell8572]

Caused by people complying after Dunblane,,

[@russell5414]

Too much hassle, I would do without.

[@davidhaddow4774]

Never understood how the UK gun laws have turned into such a mess. The UK law makers really have missed a trick. A recent letter from my local police wanting me to renew my shotgun cert as they’re ‘over whelmed’ and we lose money as well. How about open up most firearms start a whole new industry. Charge a lot for the licence, and I mean a lot! Maybe £1000 per year and on top of that paying for your psychological vetting and interviews etc... What a difference, think about it. Just my thoughts.

[@benamos2878]

And use functional imaging to route out any psychopaths early on in the application process and make the licence application fee non-refundable, require psychological vetting after stressers like divorce, redundancy house move etc.

[@britishgamer666]

So basically make it impossible for average people to get an FAC or SGC?

[@threeboardsfour]

@@britishgamer666 That's how I read that comment too, in fact the Gov are consulting on extra security regulations for .50 cal rifles to price people out of those, even though there is zero evidence of them ever being used by criminals in the UK.

[@Cacowninja]

So you can have certain handguns without that coat hanger at the end?

[@EnglishShooting]

Technically we can own any handgun without the coat hanger if it fits into the collection.

[@mroriginalabides6730]

Wait, wait, wait. Callum are you telling me. I can possibly apply to have and keep a live firing historical 1911 pistol in my cabinet?

[@EnglishShooting]

Under section 7.1 yes, but you wouldn’t be able to shoot it unless you transfer it to 7.3.

[@Nathan123Davis]

No you couldn't as 45acp is still readily available here so even if it was made before 1919 it would still be 7.3. But some examples that are 7.1 that could be kept at home are: luger in 7.65, c96 Mauser, webley revolver and even a 1911 chambered in .455 Webley Self-Loading but not 45acp.

[@sirrobinofloxley7156]

Rewatched Skyfall yesterday and the modified, by Q, handgun basically saves the nations entire interests, while after being argued if Mi6 is justified to exist in a Parliamentary enquiry.

[@jkbpwlc]

Pardon the offtop- do you have any advice for people who lost their fac but want to get back into sport? Bout year and a half ago my ex out of spite reported that I was an unstable extremist. And I had a visit of cpt brave and braver to strip me of my guns and fac...

[@samuelbanner6262]

I think we should make it legal to purchase and shoot handguns (not carbines) of .22 calibre as the same ammunition restrictions are in place.

[@dunbar555]

tyranny sounds like it sucks

[@Kaiyats]

I don’t get why people who have no criminal backgrounds can’t own handguns for self defence yes there was that one incident but you can’t punish and entire population just because of one person

[@ApurtureSci]

Self Defense hasn't been a good reason to own a gun here since the 1937 Act I believe. If we ever get handguns back, and I don't think we ever will, it definitely wouldn't be for self-defense.

[@britishgamer666]

You can't own for self defense, but you can use for self defense. The whole reason behind firearm laws, past a point, is to disarm the populace bit by bit. Why do you think they banned semi-autos? And why in America, they're trying to ban the AR-15? Because they're amazing platforms for fighting and combat.

[@victorimmature]

in other words , you have to be Loaded ( pun intended ) 😃

[@jamescoyne6836]

Use them like they are intended.

[@Offensiveword]

Much easier black market

[@britishgamer666]

And jail is just a place.

[@Offensiveword]

@@britishgamer666 it is . Been there done that

[@blatherskite9601]

That rooster cocking the gun at about 2 minutes, with finger through the trigger guard, is dangerous. Get your finger out!

[@mastrosso]

the problem with the uk and guns , is in the uk any gun which we own is a privilege and a privilege to use, in america its a right to own and a right to use, which is crazy. Personally im italian. My grandmother immigrated to the uk and i own guns here in the uk and even we own guns over in italy so i can compare the laws. The italian law of guns is that they are a privilage to own , however a right to use. which is perfect is you think of it. No huge restrictions, handguns are allowed , yes privilege to own , but it is your right to carry it and use it when deemed necessary.

[@leeaustin580]

gunstar blank gun shop I would like to buyacolt 45 blakgun cowboy gun in Britain

[@Cruz474]

Proud to be American.

[@brettduffy1992]

Will private security work like for banks and stuff

[@Liam_s.y_EDC]

Private security in the uk even close protection are not allowed to carry a firearm :(

[@ApurtureSci]

That would be up to the Home Office / Home Secretary to issue Section 5 authority.

[@brettduffy1992]

@@ApurtureSci so another words Richard Branson would have no trouble getting Section 5 or some other rich person who's politically-connected as well

[@ApurtureSci]

@@brettduffy1992 I'm not sure, but it seems very rare to get Section 5 authority for the protection of an individual. That said, maybe they do and we just don't know about it. Section 5 seems most commonly given to security firms and PMCs that mostly operate overseas but are based in the UK.

[@brettduffy1992]

@@ApurtureSci I just hope America keeps its freedom to own guns unfortunately I can only own black powder guns because I told a doctor I was a gun owner he was anti-gun but black powder guns are not considered to be firearms over here because of their rate of fire and that they don't use modern components

[@prison1231]

I can't even find a club to shoot out utter bs

[@lcalpyroo2057]

And I thought US laws were crazy…

[@beng8565]

Very sad for all of you Brits. Here in America I have numerous semi autos for instruction. My private collection includes plenty of webley revolvers, some still chambered in .455. And yes, all of my firearms are in my private residence.

[@tacfoley4443]

All of MY firearms are in my 'private residence', too. As an FAC holder, I'm required to be responsible for the security of the firearms listed on it.

[@duchman99backup51]

Hops jumping comes to mind, Mean while in usa have any handgun u like,,,,,,,,sucks to live in the uk ...

[@EnglishShooting]

When it comes to guns it does certainly suck here

[@Matt_The_Hugenot]

Well, it does depend on your state, not just California but states back east can be very restrictive, that's why there are so many PA models.

[@James28R]

@@EnglishShooting balance against not being shot while walking down the street.. hmmm hmmm

[@joshuabillingham9658]

ok Sadly i wont be collecting

[@roeng1368]

Thanks Tony Blair, you were the best..................................not.

[@adriansams6066]

Although I agree with you the Conservative Governments since then have not chaged/amended the laws in any positive . In fact they are being as restrictive as Labour were/are.. Remember also that they have been in power for a decade now..

[@rickyj5547]

thats why I don't vote for Labour Party again

[@MarineAqua45]

Its not Just him,it started before him & its still on-going,with the lever-release,systems.

[@giannidimetrio7122]

In italy with a normal license you can own semi auto pistols and rifles like ar 15. 29 rounds mag for rifles and 15 for pistols.

[@thomasdrysdale4240]

So we can own a 1911?

[@inregionecaecorum]

Gawd preserve us if this is the way we will have to go with swords next.

[@joshuaradick5679]

Could you argue that your are studying the application of shooting techniques over time as a justification for 7.3 and being able to get a little more "racy" with your shooting? I mean that guy was demoing walking fire with the BAR so I don't see why not.

[@EnglishShooting]

Historical guns from IPSC shooting maybe? I don't think the problem is the legal side, it more the operators of the range. I think fun is specifically prohibited from any 7.3 shoot.....

[@joshuaradick5679]

@@EnglishShooting That's why you don't call it that. It's an analysis of techniques and efficacy. Make it sound scientific and boring. The judges are just helping you collect data in a scientific manner and multiple shooters for a larger sample set. You then publish the data online.

[@richarddixon7276]

@@EnglishShooting That's about right , We're Not supposed to have any Fun whilst shooting , after all It's a Serious business & Pistols Kill People ! , that's the "logic" . It's Wrong of course , it's Criminals with weapons of many kinds, ranging from Axe's to X Bows who Kill People !. Shooters shoot for the love of shooting !

[@AndrewR2130]

Wish they were a little more laxed on semi auto stuff atleast give us upto 9mm semi auto even for rifles i guarantee a lot of people would be happy with that i looked at getting into small bore club near me passed background checks but eventually decided not to continue with my application stick to my airsoft stuff haha 😂 just as fun and less hoops to jump through and can own anything id like pretty much all my favorite real steal

[@James28R]

yeah no its not just as fun. mind you, you arent allowed to shoot others with the real guns whereas you can with airsoft. so they are for different things.

[@AndrewR2130]

@@James28R yeh ik what your getting at still amusing target stuff mainly what i do now

[@SLmetalmania]

Atleast revolver must be allowed in deferent lengths what is that muzzle loding🙄bull s..t

[@gleni8651]

Wow, I'm from America and in short I would have to sum all this up by saying forget it!

[@werre2]

What fun are they if I can't store them at home and pose in front of the mirror in my underwear with them wearing a mandalorian helmet

[@tacfoley4443]

😁

[@Dillon-bl3dz]

I live in ireland and I heard people saying that it is harder to get handguns legally than it is to aquire them illegaly therefore if the laws get tighter business will be booming for illegal firearms dealers

[@Kaiyats]

Atleast Northen Ireland has the right to self defence for applying for a firearm in my opinion self defence should be allowed as a standard

[@britishgamer666]

It depends. Criminals usually source guns from the host country, that's why most recovered firearms and firearms used in illegal activities involving guns is a sawn-off shotgun. Because in the UK and Ireland, the most common gun is a shotgun. No matter how strict you make firearms law, most people buying illegal firearms are going to be criminals with nefarious intent. The demand for firearms will pretty much not change, so illegal firearms dealers will probably make more money if the firearms laws get more strict. Basic supply and demand. But if you're thinking of buying guns and ammo to arm a rebellion, then that's another thing.

[@TaZ101SAGA]

Damn, this country is just nuts. Embarrassing really.

[@erichuff6945]

In 2019 London's murder rate was higher than its entire history.

[@villyvassell8572]

Makes me very angry

[@therealkoolbeans]

Oh my goodness I shared ancestors with you and you can’t just buy a gun that is just a disgrace for our shared ancestors gain your rights back

[@coops9871]

Christ why would you have an SA80!

[@stuartclarke3171]

If it was an SA80A1 I would agree with you. I used the much improved A2 version when I was in the Army.