A Few Recent PSA Orders With Some Very Puzzling Results

[@matthewelliott2213]

It seems that PSA is doing a tremendously good job at training us to crack and resubmit cards.

[@spic0li]

Yea and now that they own SGC they got the double dip covered too now when they crack there crappy PSA graded slab and re submit there.

[@CoreyInCreamCity]

Yeah, pay twice to grade the same card. This is frustrating.

[@themischiefjournal]

Love this comment.

[@icedfullmoon1573]

​@@CoreyInCreamCity Indeed.

[@franke981]

If the grade doesn’t fit, you must re-submit. That’s PSA’s path to higher profits.

[@sweet_as_honey]

Also a path to pop counts that are meaningless...

[@JoshHallUtah]

Also maybe email PSA this video their customer service is pretty good if these are all the same grader he shouldn't work for PSA

[@mikemorrissey7928]

Great idea sending this video into PSA.

[@markvella8184]

Chris, I agree with most all of these comments. 1. You are very humble, I would be so pissed off with those grades (Im pissed for you). 2. You should resubmit some (or all) of those and do a video on that. 3. With almost 70,000 subscribers Id like to believe PSA will see it and hopefully start listening to collectors about leaving comments or notes. 4. Be consistent PSA

[@popsmoke99]

Does PSA even read their own standards per grade and match it to the card? Makes you wonder.

[@jasoncole4089]

The PSA scam in full effect

[@AtomicZombieAndroid]

Its not just PSA, they are all a scam targeting insecure people

[@themischiefjournal]

The SGC purchase should NOT be allowed for antitrust reasons.

[@AtomicZombieAndroid]

@@themischiefjournal Don't expect the government to protect your hobbies

[@kc8767]

Hey Chris, you should crack a couple of those out of the case and send them to SCG and see how different the grading will be.

[@mikegagne2460]

We should all chip in to pay for the costs. For research purposes.

[@cardmanjohn4916]

PSA bought out SGC, to eliminate their loss in the vintage market. This is just an all around nightmare.

[@richardbianco9674]

​@cardmanjohn4916 was collectors not psa. And they are all completely separate companies that run all in their own so that statement is just clueless at best and idiotic at worst.

[@cardmanjohn4916]

@@richardbianco9674 “Collectors Universe” is a part of “CARDS PARENT LP” formed in 2020 for the sole purpose or cornering the graded card market. Your lack of knowledge is annoying, and your pompous attitude along with your display of no solid research shows your immaturity. But, “you go girl” I’m sure you’re right….

[@richardbianco9674]

@cardmanjohn4916 and cards parent LP bought it from Alta Fox Capitol management. Still doesn't negate that collectors universe is the parent company in this argument. Nat Turner, Steve Cohen, Joe Orlando, and Peter Steinberg have all talked about this. There has been no and will be no collaborating, sharing of any tech or personnel. This has been talked about ad nauseum.

[@npc1386]

PSA is riding completely off name recognition at the moment. Their grading is all over the place.

[@themischiefjournal]

I agree. They are hiring graders left and right. In general, I admire a worker and avoid shit talking a profession, but if there is one industry that would thrive within Artificial Intelligence, it's this one.

[@chriscurry3383]

@@themischiefjournal Yes on the AI! I don’t love that but my goodness

[@Yankees24]

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[@Yankees24]

Aren't some of those cards supposed to be bright white? 2nd Mantle is yellow

[@markthompson7503]

SGC is becoming my new favorite, especially for PC's. The tuxedo black just looks better in my opinion.

[@tylerp8887]

I wish collectors would boycott them completely. What a scam.

[@themischiefjournal]

I mean. What a bunch of fucking bullshit. Listen, I'm too old to agree with Mr. Sewall for the sake of, but what the fuck happened with this batch. The Mantle is a scorcher.

[@chriscurry3383]

This solidifies it. Not grading anything until all of these shady instances are rectified. Chris is a better man than me. I’d probably use that platform to go hard in the paint on PSA at this point.

[@chriscurry3383]

Here’s how you know PSA is crap. I have that same PSA Graded mantle, faded beyond this card and it is a PSA 6

[@CuntryRebel]

Someone needs to do a very detailed and very documented experiment of taking the same vintage baseball card that has been cracked from a PSA 7-9 case and re submit. Catalog grade received, crack and resubmit. Catalog grade received, crack and resubmit. And do this 10.x and share every grade received. I am willing to bet that grades would range from authentic to 8.

[@kenschnell9618]

First time I've seen you complain. We feel your pain. Getting the same results. Thanks for your honest support.

[@MasterShake300]

Until we get graders notes, there's zero accountability for the grades/graders.

[@kellymelonekellymelonekard3087]

I feel your pain!! Mike,baseball collector, has been getting hammered too,but I’m sure you guys have talked about it!! I was at a show 2 weeks ago were I bought a pair of 68’s. I could not believe they were only a 3.5 and 4. They are beautiful and the dealer was telling me he thought they were tough grades. I paid on the higher end for those but they look grade and don’t mind. Matched them up with some 5’s-7’s I have and couldn’t tell the difference between them

[@geodio]

No explanations for you but lots of empathy. PSA has felt like an abusive relationship now for a while.

[@adamlee1562]

LOL

[@jaycummings7594]

First timer here...I want the Rose card. In fact, I just had this weird thought...sell me all the extremely strangely graded cards.

[@starscreamjesse2121]

Angel Hernandez just signed on to be PSA's Executive director of grading.

[@carmineV255]

Hi Chris a friend of mine is a huge collector of 50s and below cards he tells me once a card has some yellowing psa automatically brings it down to a 5 and than grades the rest of the card . Love your videos and always looking forward for the next one.

[@williammorgan961]

What ever happened with the FBI investigation into them a few years back?

[@chrisc4264]

If you think the FBI can't be bought think again

[@jenlyon8371]

They say "nothing" came out of it but if the FBI investigates, they don't do it on a whim, meaning they found plenty. If there wasn't a major release about it, the deal was hush. Probably all "blamed" on a high level executive, who took a massive severance package and is laughing it all off in Bora Bora. Meanwhile, back to scamming, why not? Even if they get caught again, just pay off another exec for an early retirement. While we keep going back to them like lemmings.

[@michaelbovee6808]

I just started looking into the whole modern day scene after having 50,000 cards from early ‘50’s to early 2000’s laying dormant mostly since mid-80’s then buying my kids’ friend’s collections when they grew out of it and wanted cash. So my initial reason for digging out the many large chests from the closet was seeing many of the cards I had collected and put under protection immediately back in the late 70s early 80s going for these high prices at auctions. Like the 1980 Ricky Henderson Rookie, which I knew I had at least 10 of that card, 2 of which I sold to a guy at a show in the early 90s for $125 each. So I started watching the the auction stuff and videos on the whole grading thing. Where I’m thinking “Well, I know I must have SOME 10 grade cards out of all the cards I have(because I took care of my cards even as a 9-10-11-12 year old, going to early card shows with my dad and using ALL the money I made working for $2/hr at our custom furniture store, and bidding on different “lots” of 800 1969 Baseball cards with like 30 star cards included for like $25. I just saw one of those boxes that was a lot of 50 1955 including 2 Aarons, Killebrew, Jackie, and some others for $33. I liked getting a chunk of older cards, and bidding against 40+ year old men was kind of fun. I always thought the cards were underpriced. And was quickly proven right not many years later. Anyway, now after getting some knowledge about the whole program and thinking about money and how people get with money, I soon came to believe that GOD himself could produce a perfect 1959 Mickey Mantle or 1980 Ricky or 75 Brett, and there ain’t a snowball’s chance in hell any of them would be considered for a Gem mint 10 grade. NOT in 2024, NOT A CHANCE!! That money has already been locked up and put into a few hands. It’s a closed game that is now just selling the fantasy by dangling those massive auction paydays out there to induce people into getting their best conditioned cards submitted so some stoner can look over your cards with enhanced vision picking apart your cards because EVERY card is flawed. I know because I have a microscope and I’ve looked at perfect cards. And they all look shifty under magnification. So any grader can justify downgrading any card anytime, “oh see that little dot that no one can see with their naked eye? Ya see, it’s not a 10” It’s a JOKE! They have ruined the whole thing. So you could line up 20 pristine 1980 Ricky Henderson cards, and give them a quick scan and see they all are great. So instead of ALL of those 20 cards getting say $3-4-5K or more each, they pick one winner and dump $100k on them, and the others are seen as losers worth 1/100th of that one. What a bunch of Fu#%ing A#%HOLES. Everyone should boycott this God-complex monopoly and let the dealers make their own prices with each other and decide the condition of the cards in-person at shows like men. What needs to happen is there needs to be an outside audit of PSA GEM MT 10 grades from every year going back to the first grades given. And I bet that a 1950s vintage GEM MT 10 2007 graded card and a 2024 7-8 grade would be almost indistinguishable in a blind test? There needs to be a big blind test done with cards that no one knows when, who, what, where, why a card was graded, or if they were ever graded at all. From every year and a big cross section of cards, and see how the lower graded newly graded cards end up standing up to the older graded cards. I’d bet BIG MONEY you would find that the newer graded 7-8-9s would rate at least as high as older graded 10s. It’s the only way to bring any accountability into this obvious money laundering-ish type scammy corrupted crap that is clearly going on. You can NOT pause and consider a grade because the pop will be impacted, that ain’t your job douchebags. Grade the fucking cards straight, cuz THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE SELLING. Graders don’t get to control populations? Otherwise you’re just organized crime and you’re all criminals. Any grader who ever has to pause because they know that there are only 2 known 10s and they are looking at the 3rd, THEY just became something other than a grader. They are playing God. And that is how it all feels. 🙏🏼-“oh please PSA be nice to my perfect card?!” “Ah shucks a 4😔, Oh well maybe my next submission for $800 will be better?” A 10 MUST be a 10 if it’s a 10 like the other 10s

[@adamyoder5853]

If Chris Sewall is questioning PSA there is an issue. Hands down one of the best ive seen grading his vintage before sending off and was always dead money. These being that low is crazy

[@jude999]

They are now grading on a 1 to 5 scale. This is as mad as you'll ever see Chris

[@Mvp-7]

I was expecting a “WTF PSA!!”

[@noahosborn5422]

Do you know did these orders come back from New Jersey the last two or three submissions that I had that came back from New Jersey instead of California were graded a lot more harshly than usual.

[@Goobastank]

I have so much to say about these results. This has been happening to me with my vintage submissions too. I am flabbergasted at the random low grades. I have submitted about twenty cards an order, seven orders over about a year and my pregrading predictions are on average 1.5 grades lower than expected. Some of that are random 3-4 grade lower than expected grades. I have two theories - 1. Graders that are looking at ultra modern are switching over to vintage grading because they are so far behind (on vintage) and are hammering cards that are not 9’s and 10’s like they are used to. Theory 2 is that they are using scanning technology (like Tag) and they are finding issues with the card that you could only see with a microscope. People submitting vintage today are the guinea pigs for them trying to figure out what value to put on defects. A hi definition scan can show tens of imperfections. Maybe the value of those is a work in progress. Does all of this have something to do with SGC purchase? Buying more vintage graders? For now I am going to stop sending my vintage in until some consistency comes back.

[@colinburroughs9871]

reading your post, it crossed my mind that maybe this is a over correction for vintage pressing/soaking/manipulating? I tend to think it's a corporation that's gotten over saturated. It's the Subway of card grading- if they did less it'd be better.

[@krishdasgupta7313]

Agreed vintage grading has been brutal. It’s as if they reduce it two grades as soon as it’s < 1977

[@808trades]

Whats the lost returns based in the lowball grades?

[@brentwalker5726]

I was thinking the same thing. They are looking at 1959 Topps the same way they look at 2023 Topps Chrome. It's apples & oranges.

[@spic0li]

I definitely share the same opinion and am also going to hold off doing anymore future subs for at least a year and save $149

[@Cards-In-The-Closet]

I had a Payton Rookie that went straight into a card saver from pack pack and it got a 5 last week. I have 58 vintage still waiting to be graded, so I will probably take a bath given their recent trend of grading.

[@arresthillary9502]

they have hired a bunch of rookies that have never seen a vintage card

[@spic0li]

Definitely never seen o-pee-chee before 1980 from my recent experiences🙄

[@dustindubbs7690]

I was thinking the same thing

[@ericlindenmuth7517]

Definitely, I saw all the ads they were putting out for hiring. I thought to myself, most of the people have probably never even seen a baseball card before!!

[@MIkeOlah-mi9tu]

That is the problem… vintage shouldn’t be for rookies… It should be for seasoned veterans. I hate to say it but it may just be time for ai to take over because there is too many dorks on planet Earth!

[@KTarver303]

The problem is PSA has a monopoly. SGC tried to break that but collectors pay more for a PSA slab so that’s where sellers will send their cards. Back in the days before the internet we saw this same issue with price guides. Beckett was king and all others were ignored even if they may have been more accurate. PSA is not forced to have good quality control because of this and you get weird grades. I saw a Brooks Robinson 1957 rookie that was at best a 3 but the slab said 8 go figure.

[@spic0li]

Then SGC sold out to PSA

[@LoVEFoRTHEHoBBY]

Psa doesn't want anyone to make any money just one grade up or down changes the value by hundreds and thousands on some cards and they no that its BS

[@cardboardandplastic]

My last PSA order was the same thing. Had cards that got 4's that were 6's. Had 5's that were 7's in the past. I think they have serious problems at PSA with training graders in vintage.

[@warrendinCLE]

You have nothing to apologize for! I'd be losing my mind! Just Wow! I'm not even holding the cards and I can tell they are way better than graded. That Mantle especially. There needs to be an explanation. I'd be calling looking for one on that one

[@OldManGame]

This is part of the reason people arn't grading much anymore. I got an email begging me to send in cards at 6$ each from a grading company. The quality is bad, and the resale value is often not there anymore.

[@landrythelegend6979]

With your knowledge in the hobby, plus your objective view towards grading, this is completely a video that I hope the higher ups at PSA watch.

[@chrisolivo6591]

Chris, I’m so glad KZbinrs like yourself and others continue to do these PSA videos where the grades make no sense. It really exposes the grading system is nonsense in the hobby in terms of a strict pricing structure. Why are people paying for the grade if the grades don’t make sense? I see this all of the time in ultra modern where you can put 25 PSA 9’s and 25 PSA 10’s and you can’t tell the difference? Hopefully the hobby gravitates to ‘buy the card not the grade’ because this video is exhibit A as to why. But I’m not holding out hope as the obsession with grades has led us to the point where the grades don’t mean anything anymore.

[@brendanmoore2143]

I had a 1967 mantle that came back authentic recently too!! I’m so confused cuz it looks like a 6 or 7 to my eyes! I was so upset!

[@BP.cards.]

I have a 1953 Mickey Mantle and a 1950 Jackie Robinson. Would you suggest BGS or PSA?

[@collectorinvestordealer]

I would suggest PSA or SGC. Definitely not Beckett.

[@thomascourt4935]

A couple of times in this video we get to hear "high pitched" Sewell as his voice cracks in disbelief at some of these grades.

[@nehemiahstauffer2746]

You should crack them all and send them back in 1 order and due a second video comparing the differences. You should then reach out to PSA about your findings.

[@inaka99]

I would love to see this. I once sent a flawless Dave Stewart rookie card to PSA and it came back a PSA 8. I could not find one issue with the card so I cracked it, sent it right back to PSA and it got a PSA 10 the second time. I’ve had +3 grade bumps happen with true vintage cards as well. PSAs inconsistencies need to be highlighted and I no longer grade any vintage with PSA. I only use SGC for vintage.

[@tdfowler79]

I noticed a minor surface ding in the ‘58 Aaron Mantle card in the top right corner area… but nothing that would make it a 3. A 3 suggests a full crease.

[@CollectorsWorldFargo]

Looking at what you showed, and not in hand, my first and only thought was they're following their guidelines more strictly on surface and centering issues, granted the authentic-3 grades were puzzling. But I do think you need to loop, and maybe you do, the corners and surface more closely, after starting and stopping the 58 Mantle /Aaron a dozen times I could see some surface issues and possible corner crease upper left, also the dot on the back in the border I would need to see under loop to see if that's a print defect or something else. If you requested no qualifiers on your order I could understand the 56 Aparicio going from a 6 o/c to a 4. Anyways the cards have great eye appeal for the grades and will probably bring top or surpass other comps for that grade.

[@jpcards]

I have done more than a dozen submissions to SGC over the last two years (nearly all vintage, nearly all for PC). I have been planning to use PSA for the first time through a group submitter on 10 or so vintage cards I specifically would sell. I'm now reconsidering that strategy.

[@actionic135]

I sent in a 50+ vintage card submission to CGC (yes, go ahead and laugh) and got two back as "Authentic". Each card had a stick-it note attached with the problem area circled and one had a written note indicating "erasure". The other one didn't have a note but the circled edge suggested trimming. So at least I got an explanation for the Authentic grades.

[@crimplemania]

The only one I see that you don't is the Yaz card. It has a pretty noticeable slant cut. look at how much space is above the y in yaz compared to the s in homers.

[@bayareaguy7438]

Dealing with PSA it's like being in a Domestic Violence relationship. You ask any questions and you get punched in the face. Time for people to wake up.

[@DumpsterDivin_Ty]

I hate to see this happen to you, but in a way im glad to see someone with your experience have a similar experience I have. I like to think im accurate with my pregrading and history typically shows that. But I've received a few orders recently that have vintage grades that make absolutely no sense! Ill be sticking with SGC for my vintage going forward as im always at worst a half grade off. I feel for you

[@johnsherman8649]

I sent the most beautiful 1965 Joe Morgan into PSA, and it was amazing looking well centered and zero creases, and they gave it a 5. I will sent it back in one day.

[@wrestlemania7ven]

Agree agree. I have about 15 high end cards and I don't think I'm going to use PSA. It's Time that they hold those cards in hand and explain in person why those grades were assigned.

[@leogonzalez9384]

SGC crossover, you don't have to crack the slab. I had a few dozen vintage cards in GMA slabs and more came back higher grade than lower grade.

[@dynamitelii501]

PSA is basically no longer providing the service you are paying for with vintage submissions. Their problem is unqualified employees handling material out of their depth and working under a time limit. I also have a feeling they might be trying to push vintage subs to SGC now that the parent company owns them. PSA is set up to handle modern, i.e. quickly give modern orders a pre determined gem rate and move on to the next fleecing.

[@houseandhobby6971]

This video highlights why subgrades make sense and should be the standard. Subgrades serve multiple purposes: targeted grading that results in an overall more accurate final grade, accountability for the grader, answers to questions as to why for the customer, better overall conditions for the hobby.

[@timfogel5223]

On the world series foes card it looked like on the front towards the top right corner maybe there was a .5 inch long dent/impression? Others I didn't see anything and are head scratchers!

[@JoshHallUtah]

Crazy it would be interesting to crack and see if the other side of PSA SGC does? As PSA becomes even more successful it seems like overall quality is going down

[@gabriels1163]

You can recut handcut cards as long as the card is still at the minimum size. Paper cutters like schoolteachers use work extremely well.

[@doktorcopernikuss]

Where do u find the min size requirements from the grading companies on handcut cards? I would be terrified to try this by winging it, for getting the dreaded "authentic" is a brutal kick in the balls.

[@gabriels1163]

@@doktorcopernikuss Paper editions of price guides. Or google. Psa also has a description page for most old sets which states their size. You need to be able to measure very precisely, and have a razor sharp cutter, but when you do it right you can get extremely high grades.

[@MichaelSalzle]

Yes Chris agree, with your comments thanks for sharing and join the club:) Maybe some day I can show my 68 Mantle that got a PSA 2 and 69 Harmon Killebrew totally do not understand the grades or justifications sometimes.

[@westonsunnenberg3717]

I am having issues as well. I sent 8 cards that i looked over with everything from a jewelers loop to a lighted magnifier an though i would get 9's and 10's. I got a 5, 6, three 7's, and three 10's. I thought i had lost my mind, so thank you for the video. Makes me feel like i may not be the only one.

[@Forthefunofthehobby]

What’s your plans with the cards now? Seems like the grading really has been inconsistent, but with the secondary market prices it’s also hard to argue sending it to them.

[@mookiechillson]

I find this absolutely fascinating. It feels like PSA is asking you to crack and submit to SGC. What does SGC 6 mantle/aaron card go for? Must be well above PSA3?

[@Cape_Cod_Collector]

This is exactly the point I make when I see people saying PSA and SGC values are not the same for the same grade. This is the exact point, PSA is NOT giving accurate grades, so tie comparison isn’t a 4 to a 4, rather a PSA 4 to an SGC 6. And imo the black frame tux looks so much better !!

[@Goobastank]

I really do not think PSA wants you to crack and resubmit. Their new slabs say that because they are more difficult to crack than the old ones. I really think they do not have a handle on the scanning technology they are probably using and the volume of cards they are seeing.

[@realbillymiller1011]

It may be worth sending to a grader that can give a grading report on the card, I know this can be expensive but you can get some substance. Be interesting to see how they might come back after a resubmission.

[@bethdulin7904]

I also have had some very puzzling returns. I wonder if there is any way to get an explanation for the grades. When you compare what they say and show as to grades then return to you about 2 to 3 grades lower, I really want to understand how and why? Do you know any way to obtain that?

[@KeehanPartnersInc]

I feel your pain. I’m a graphic designer by trade and use a magnifying loop to scan my cards before submission to PSA. I’ve had a few orders that come back that have completely baffled me. Welcome to my PSA world. I thought and still do that I drew a rookie grader.

[@randomsalmon4603]

Yaz looks like a slant cut on top border. It shows more when you look at the back

[@vintiquesokc]

Recently had a 40 card order of mostly 90s marvel inserts returned, I know not all were 10s but should have been 8+, I think I got two 8s and the rest lower with the majority being 6s, I did notice that my shipment was returned to me from New Jersey as opposed to California…make of that what you will.

[@lanceoverstreet1200]

I wonder if you were to cross a few of these over to SGC what they would grade. It would be interesting.

[@matthewdouglas4500]

Curious. What was the highest vintage grade you got from the PSA submission? Wonder if the front line graders for PSA have a grade cap and need authority from supervisor to go higher, supervisor is busy….oh well here you go

[@cindymoon9609]

Chris, you have the eye. Perhaps create your own sticker for 'exceptional eye appeal' grade.

[@ericgerber4099]

Preach! And here I thought it was just me. 😂. At this point I just assume every Mantle, Aaron, Rose, rookie card and card from key sets like 1952, 1953, 1956 and pre-war will be coming back 2 grades lower than my lower side expectations.

[@MCHVIDEO]

Carl and Sal loves this !!!!!

[@honson7]

Is grading worth it with these cards and with PSA in the future if they continue to send back grades lower than the card actually is? Based on what you’ve taught us, it’s not!

[@spic0li]

PSA training for vintage is duddery, just did a sub of 21 cards and 5 came back mini sized for no reason. When last year did same type of sub went 75/75. Thanks for posting this as it wasn't just my last sub(s) they butchered too. I think they are getting themselves too backed up on the grading special submissions for which the quality control has gone "more out the window" 🙄

[@brentwalker5726]

I've seen cards in PSA "8" holders that look worse than some of those cards.

[@Cape_Cod_Collector]

I’ve watched so many puzzling reveal videos involving PSA and vintage. I think they simply have too many younger, less experienced graders looking at these cards for mere seconds before issuing a grade. It seems for vintage, the grade of 4 is the equivalent of a PSA 9 for new cards. Something middle of the road that will slip through.

[@jude999]

If that was the case, then they would be 8s and 9s, not 3s and 4s.

[@doktorcopernikuss]

I am starting to believe that they want to give shitty grades to vintage so that they can push everyone over to SGC, which will help streamline their shit more efficiently. Keep the modern on one side and the vintage on the other.....

[@toddestes4020]

Did you mention your plan for these cards going forward? I hate that PSA continues to do this, yet they continue to have the most resale value, allowing this cycle to continue.

[@ToughKracker]

I submitted 103 cards last summer/fall and they damaged 95 of them. And they also gave grades way below what some of them deserved. They asked me to send them back in just so they could evaluate them in person and they insisted I even send in my 10’s. Then they turned around and downgraded 2 of my 10’s even though they never hinted at the fact that they were going to regrade them.

[@user-hm5zb1qn6g]

You sent them back your 10s ??????

[@Dmand18729]

Yeah seems like you got the "grader having a bad day" experience. I've had cards jump from 8 (in a batch of head scratching grades) to a 10 in regrade with no effort of my own. Sucks that there appears to be such a variance among who you land with in there.

[@mikepinch]

Yeah I'd love to buy that Aparicio at a 4 price :)

[@verbone]

From what little I can see in the vid, I would grade those cards as follows: Aparicio 6, Rose 8, 1967 Mantle 4, Yaz 8, 1959 Mantle 6, Robinson 5, Simpson 7, Mantle/Aaron 6, Stooges 7, DJ 9, Brown 7, Benge 4, Doerr 5. PSA absolutely needs to respond and be held accountable. Everyone makes mistakes, but those grades consistently show a lack of understanding of cards and grades. If they have any integrity, they'll have you resub and regrade at their cost. That's what any honest business that blew it would do.

[@GradedInMyLivingRoom]

Does it matter to have SGC grade since they are being acquired by PSA???

[@brentwalker5726]

Is this just happening with vintage? If they keep doing this with vintage submissions, you might want to revisit using SGC. See if the higher grades in SGC holders make up for the higher values of PSA holders.

[@collectorinvestordealer]

I have not noticed anything simmilar with my modern orders.

[@Bradydog-in7ut]

I’ve said it before in this channel; if PSA keeps playing games with collectors, it won’t be collectors that shut their doors but The FBI who has a dedicated force now overseeing the sports card market. That’s how big it has gotten. Who knows what it could be; maybe they wait for you to sell the cards buy them at low graded prices, regrade them with higher grades and make a bundle? Anything you can think of is not impossible. They have already been caught doing worse (the rookie Bird/Magic card comes to mind…)

[@seanheaney8303]

Great theory..... grade low then wait for them on the resale market. Already a shady company i wouldnt be surpised if they do this.

[@herbertfoulk8191]

Thanks Chris 😊

[@fear0]

What I find interesting about this is that Chris is an experienced card guy with a plethora of knowledge. This goofy system we have to make money causes Chris to send the cards to someone with 1/100th less experience to put his "expert opinion" on the card.

[@wesleyhodge9457]

I recently submitted a 16 card order consisting of vintage Disney cards from the 50s, 60s and 70s and I too had several puzzlers; there were a couple 2s. several 4s and these cards are sharp; great color, clean surfaces, sharp corners and edges so I’m at a loss And with these new slabs it’s not like you can crack and resubmit, PSA made damn sure that doesn’t take place.

[@doktorcopernikuss]

I love how Topps said, "Brooks, your 1957 rookie card is a handsome, happy card, but that's it for you; for your sophomore year, you're getting the 'gas face'."

[@MrCdeshazo00]

So a lot of people have said that they get lower ratings based on how they shipped the cards to PSA and that the blue painters tape is the best way to secure the cards when shipping them to PSA

[@cardsandcomics]

I was told that if a card is diamond cut it is 1 to 2 grades off now

[@michaelhuene561]

Until Angel Hernandez also retires from his PSA grading job this will continue to happen.

[@tampahomeinvestorsllc7559]

😂😂

[@nicholaspiet3501]

Just a thought on the Micky Mantle.........Could it be the signature?

[@bourbonbeltcards6392]

Baffling results. It’s up to us at this point to reward SGC for their accuracy and consistency.

[@icedfullmoon1573]

💯

[@thomaswilburn6217]

They really need to do grader notes and customers should be able to challenge the decision and get other opinions. Too much money is spent on these to have no challenge or info.

[@icedfullmoon1573]

💯 Right. Where's the challenge??? No one challenges them!!! We go along as if OUR cards belong to THEM.

[@alexhampson9684]

Hey silver lining to this is you could make a few follow up videos on sending this video to PSA or following up to them with it - would be so curious what they say/what they suggest

[@Vintage_Dave_T]

We just keep sending to PSA. WHY? I understand they may fetch more, but we just keep enabling them. What would be the price difference if SGC was a grade or two higher? I’d like to see an experiment testing one vs the other for several cards. Maybe even throw TAG in the mix. Seems like PSA is thinking these are old cards, they have to be poor condition, therefore they grade 2 grades lower just because.

[@collectorinvestordealer]

TAG does not grade cards pre-1990

[@curryboyftw]

Question for those that have cracked and re-submitted, does the card feel like it was in the same condition when you sent it in originally? I get paranoid thinking that cracking may be futile with damage maybe in shipping the order?

[@CoreyInCreamCity]

On the Mantle/Aaron there is a dot above the card number. Is that what dropped that grade? Or is that common on that card. I'm not well versed in that set. If so, you'd think they'd use the MK qualifier, unless you asked for no qualifiers. There are many questions about these subs otherwise. As others have mentioned, they are all over the place on vintage. Too many kids looking for summer jobs.

[@travishouse6295]

You should really crack them and resubmit the whole order to see if they come back low grade again. It would make for a good video.

[@old-schoolrookiecollector1667]

That’s what PSA wants you to do. They get your money twice if not more

[@travishouse6295]

@@old-schoolrookiecollector1667 You're definitely right about that but a guy with a following like Chris would shine a light on how inconsistent PSA is.

[@old-schoolrookiecollector1667]

@@travishouse6295 hopefully so

[@ACD1994]

@@travishouse6295 We already know it's inconsistent

[@Rebel_Scum1]

I would definitely contact PSA on this order. You could also resub them to SGC.

[@TalkingBallCards]

I’d be interested in buying a few, snapping them, and resubmitting to PSA for fresh grades. I’ll put it all on my channel and see how it goes. They have been up and down for years. I’ve snapped 6’s that are magically 8’s on the next sub lol

[@razzleyaheard3204]

Why's Brooks Robinson look so doppy on that card?

[@collectorinvestordealer]

A fair question for sure :)

[@stevemartinish]

on the Yaz, it does seem like a slight skew centering issue if you look at the spacing between "Yaz" and the edge and "Homers" and the edge. And above "Smashes" the edge seems like it has an indent. But I still agree 5 is harsh. I'd trust your judgment as I've only sent in two orders to be graded ever. :) I've been leaning towards grading vintage with SGC but I realize they may be pretty strict as well (and may be much more difficult to sell than PSA cards). Can't win.

[@tommayrant2279]

The Yaz is a serious blazer! Explanations from PSA would be incredibly helpful. 1958 Brooks wins the Peyton Manning lookalike contest.

[@geedubb-q1u]

In the stock market there’s people who “Short” stocks to drive down share prices to buy said stock at lower prices. PSA would know who sends the bulk of cards for later sale they receive and could be low balling their Grades so that these cards would sell low and then scoop them up at a later date? Are they trying to lower the heat in the card hobby? Anytime you have no competition in a market the biggest companies can control prices, high or low.

[@icedfullmoon1573]

Ray Charles could see that. I dont know why others can't.

[@jamesl5352]

PSA's new vintage grading manual: "hold the card under the light, be very careful with the card and close your eyes. Use the force to think of a number under 4. Congratulations, you've just graded a card!"

[@benjaminsmith6063]

The Pete Rose looks like it might have a small crease near bottom left. Could barely see it reflect in the light.

[@anthonyk6530]

Once again SGC is the way to go for vintage

[@sw1217]

I see a few comments about cracking the slabs, but would you ever protest the results with PSA? How common is such a practice and how often do they actually concede the higher grade?

[@neilgross7033]

I wonder if the grader prioritized the description over the numeric grade. For example they looked at the card and felt that it was in excellent condition, so they assigned it a 5 for "EXCELLENT", or they looked at a card and felt that it was in good condition so they assigned it a 2 for "GOOD".