Crispin Glover's Thoughts on Martin Scorsese's Comments About Marvel

[@F1rsttimer]

I remember when we wanted him as the Joker before Leto was cast.

[@Orieus]

He would have been outstanding playing the joker, but not in a movie like Suicide Squad, that was utter trash, and as amazing as Leto is as an actor, he didnt have much to work with......

[@CatLives9]

I remember all the fanboys wanted him before Heath Ledger was cast.

[@Orieus]

@@CatLives9 I remember that well! I loved Heath as an actor and I dug the Idea of him doing it... But Glover was my first choice at the time. When I saw what Heath Looked like as the Joker, I knew it was all good. Crispen would have nailed it too...

[@captcrais101]

F1rsttime_online I still think he would make a great Joker or maybe Riddler

[@mommadchickadee8941]

@@captcrais101 Jim Carey stole the role a lot better by adding when he was the riddler therefore it would've been a lot more easier going into the joker role. I now heard he's reprising his role in The Mask so it would have been nice to see him as the Joker however in The Mask he will steal that part again for sure.

[@rocktommason2221]

One could define Crispin Glover's hair as cinematic.

[@Davido50]

Great hair! Epic. Definitely takes propecia ...to be on safe side.

[@richyrich8939]

Forreal

[@johnstarsh]

Actually it’s propaganda

[@Sochi_Mochi]

“Get your damn hands off my hair!”

[@Jay-777-p4p]

🤣🤣🤣

[@brahsumatra]

One of the most underrated actors.

[@adasga]

Why underrrated? I don't think i've seen many movies with him in them less than 10. What would you say are his greatest performances?

[@skutsenkow]

He was great in Back to the Future Part II!

[@penske_material]

@@skutsenkow this is a joke, right?

[@skutsenkow]

@@penske_material yes lol

[@penske_material]

@@skutsenkow ok lol

[@robd593]

Crispin sounds like a really interesting guy, would like to see him in more films.

[@jarelllevingston7882]

Rob D have you seen Willard?

[@leelohaskin7941]

I get the feeling that he has all but been blacklisted due to BTTF lawsuit

[@danielstack4158]

@@leelohaskin7941 Maybe briefly, but he was in a lot of big movies(The People vs Larry Flynt, Charlie's Angels, Alice in Wonderland, Beowolf) well after that lawsuit. Any actors out there would actually be appreciative because Glover's lawsuit helped actors from their likeness being used going forward without their consent or the consent of their estate if they had passed away. Clauses like that have been part of SAG's collective bargaining agreements.

[@blatherskype25]

This guy has aged well.

[@robdcollector2808]

blatherskype25 ..he aged bettet than biff

[@Godzillafan1980]

Facelift or 2

@@robdcollector2808 And Michael J. Fox

[@Yeomannn]

@@Godzillafan1980 TRT

[@audacious6312]

Was just telling my mom the same thing.

[@charlesdavis7087]

I think that Crispin is one of the most brilliant and yet over-looked actors of our time.

[@Leeohlin89]

Most absolutely is!

[@charlesdavis7087]

@@Leeohlin89 What is it about Crispin that you like the most. I find his face rather odd, but five second after he opens his mouth, I am entranced. Can't take my eyes off him. He might be an extra --- fulestial. Magician from the 9th moon of Saturn. Who knows what really is... or is up to. Sincerely.

[@md12962]

I don’t.

[@kleptocandy]

​@@md12962 L

[@Zannathin]

He’s incredible. They always try to smear him as crazy. There is nothing crazy about him. He’s brilliant and asks important questions.

[@zncuentertainment712]

Crispin Glover still has the sweetest dance moves in the Friday 13th series.

[@j.jmarlon1417]

ZnCu Entertainment lmfaoooooooooo epic film sequence, right next to the cork screw

[@davsny5]

@@j.jmarlon1417 yes he really got screwed there, but at least he got screwed by a beautiful woman before he got screwed by Jason

[@GoAsCloseAsYouCan]

That wasn’t dancing

[@MFBURNS7909]

Do The Crispin! 🎶

[@TheProphegy]

Imagine if Crispin got that Joker role and killed and he got nominated or won the Oscar. His career would’ve been shot up through the roof.

[@bawse1319]

It's funny you say that because I've always thought he would be a great joker, even before the new one that came out with Joaquin I've always thought he would be a great choice, ten times better than Jared Leto was at least lol

[@jokerfleckcast3196]

I think he would 100% have done the joaquin phoenix version had he been offered it. Most likely it would have been fairly similar to joaquin.

[@Aromatic.Bleach]

I don't think Crispin is part of the tribe, despite what some uneducated people may assume when observing his peculiar, aqueline nose -- and I don't think he is fond of their *cough* propaganda. So .. I dont see him getting offered many significant roles.

[@CreosoteTv]

Best answer ive seen someone give on this topic as well as he’s actually correct

[@cr2nr]

True!.

[@ozymandias6817]

Broader audience doesn't care about artistic way of movies, the movie should be relatable (character and emotion wise) / should have typical moral values, as we see Kubrick's movies aren't the highest grossing but Marvel's are. Because they appel to much larger audience and do what it IS MADE to do, which is ENTERAIN THE BROADER AUDIENCE, i love Scorsese and marvel btw, the mistack is to compare those two, it's just like comparing DC and Marvel some people relate to something some doesn't, doesn't necessarily mean others are idiots. In Scorsese's way Marvel may not be that enjoyable and that's quiet alright but that doesn't mean Marvel is bad or for that matter any comic book movies. Peace

[@last7509]

Infinity war and Endgame are the greatest cinematic experiences of my life. Love Marty's work like Gangs of NY and Aviator. (Daniel Day was robbed. The pianist? Pfft) Movies are supposed to hold an audiences attention. Marty is just a bit jealous he will never hold that many people's attention like the MCU just demonstrated.

[@ascend3654]

marty is mad they didnt invite him to the premier or something stupid. some hundred year old family feud over a sheep back in sicily.

[@aaronstark5060]

Fortune Maker Bullshit. He’s not jealous, he actually feels that way. So do I. What’s my excuse, then?

[@hughmungus_698]

This Dude looks great for 55, He is the same age as Nicolas Cage and Russell Crowe and unfortunately the years haven't been as kind to them

[@ageofdulltron2052]

@nikto45 I guess we’ll believe you since you said it/ Of course the truth is his superior genetics!/

[@jbeihl1]

Glover is absolutely correct. He’s calling out the entertainment industrial complex while and moreover the military industrial complex and he did this while sitting down with Collider. Good look

[@ageofdulltron2052]

Perhaps it’s true indeed, indeed/ But people with functional brains are rarely deceived!/

[@OlympusHeavyCavalry]

Top Gun and Heartbreak Ridge are good examples of propaganda used to induce, or sway most of society, to enlist into the Navy and Marines, whereby, the movies also indicated there is glory in war. The other issue is questioning hollywood and it's corporate decisions made by those in charge with alternative agendas etc. ... Well met :-)

[@The80sWolf_]

@@inzane1260 Watch how sjw nerds have made corporate produts their own political camp, because Disney etc. appeals to the woke crowd. It's capitalism/neoliberalism to the core. It's designed to work like that.

[@fshoaps]

@@The80sWolf_ bingo

[@acojo8205]

@@The80sWolf_Top gun is woke now? Jesus what’s next

[@djones3456]

He’ll always be Marty McFly’s dad to me.

[@Deathadder1994]

Dopeboy Dow he’ll always be creepy thin man to me haha from Charlie’s angels

[@KenoSNeal]

Once you see it, you can't unsee it.

[@AmazingArtisticSpidey]

He sounds like Bill Nye.

[@viclor2876]

Omg I'm such a klutz, didn't realize until you mentioned it that it's Marty mcflys dad lol

[@WhiskeyShred]

And the best Andy Warhol

[@chriswebb1679]

Would totally love him as Joker.

[@erik1993]

Mad Hatter

[@deepsharma5703]

I think the guy that'd look straight out of comics will be Willem Dafoe...

[@rustymixer2886]

Two face

[@pyrolopez854]

@@erik1993 yessss!

[@pyrolopez854]

@@rustymixer2886 maybe but he doesn't really have that kind of hard core Darkness like what's expected as a two-faced character When I think of Glover in something of a horror film where scary Village pipe I think of the movie he did "Willard"

[@MrKinghuman]

Lol. Martin Scorsese masterclass as an ad to start this off

[@jacksonwayneputnam1599]

Crispin is such an interesting person and artist

[@trappedintime8273]

this guy should have had a much bigger career but I'm glad he's still around

[@mammothchimp1774]

Glover is too interesting for collider.

[@danielstack4158]

They were actually very respectful to him.

[@epcarter6]

Man this is really getting milked to hell. It’s not that serious that we need to get everyone’s take.

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

I think it's important

[@marcelinolopez4015]

I know right

[@crmznize]

They're running out of content so keeping this alive by asking everyone's opinion to feel good if they share the same view. Really makes me sick.

[@rustincohle2135]

@Gravivector Well said.

[@canyildiz5966]

Legit. Scorsese said it, hes right, end of

[@guptageneralstores5243]

Honestly, he put it very well. A cinephile would genuinely 'get' what Scorsese meant when he said these are not cinema. He wasn't putting down marvel movies, but the look and feel of not only marvel movies but also DC movies lately have been fairly 'plastic'. One needs a certain time period to recover from an epic experience . Harry Potter became mythical and so did star wars and Jurassic park because they were a few movies spaced out over a couple of decades. Scorsese criticized the kind of movies this system of movie diarrhea produced when they release 25 movies in 10 years. Imagine how it would've been if Marvel was made with great cinematographers and meticulously built practical sets, shot on imax or 70mm and condensed into 5 movies primarily covering Tony, Steve, Thor and Black Widow. You wouldn't have needed 20 movies to set up Thanos. An example within Disney itself is Pixar. Since they are not allotted even 10% of what Marvel are, the entire Pixar group focuses on making ONE movie. And thats why every single pixar movie is 10 times greater in terms of story than the marvel ones. Theres a reason why Tarantino hasn't made 25 films in his career. Look at how they are killing star wars by making a movie every year. Theres no patience. I'm sure if you ask Marty specifically he would definitely consider movies like Dark Knight as pure cinema.Screw me but I honestly get what he's saying. Everyone these days just take these opinions personally before giving any thought but this guy made Taxi Driver. And that's why I will respect his opinion and at least give it a thought

[@WildTrek]

Pretty spot on. I was mostly bummed when Disney bought up the MCU and Star Wars. I was really hoping for something a little darker and grittier with more character development. The MCU in particular is completely over saturated. I don’t think they will hold up to time very well at all, not like the dark knight does, but more like George Cloonies Batman lol.

[@orange1809]

Marvel released 2-3 movies in each year for 10 long years - I don’t know what you are saying about not having patience. All the movies have different voices and take on it as they are made by different (mostly indie) directors. Just because it’s not a dark, mobster type of movies doesn’t mean it’s not worthy to be called cinema. Art is subjective and I think people who think they’re the genius of film world is being so elitist and pretentious about this. I honestly think all these talk is just about money and clout - some of their movies is just not getting the attention like the a marvel franchise. I say make great movies since they seem to be revered filmmakers, and the audience will follow.

[@thunderbirdmcfly8657]

Lucas's director friends made funny of him when he told them he was making Star Wars.When it was a success they were so critical about the doors that kind of movie would open for cinema.They hate any kind of movie like that.They believe that is only one way to make cinema.

[@guyverjay1289]

Scorsese whilst a very good director is very much a one trick pony and has limited range unlike say someone like Speilberg who has proven he can make a quality movie in practically every genre that exists.

[@guileniam]

Harry potter sucks lol

[@HalfEatenMedia]

Crispin Glover would be a perfect Riddler.

[@trcsonic]

Yes. And it should be the Riddler with "Jigsaw style" from Arkham City.

[@buckaroobanzai7063]

@@trcsonic The Riddler is fine the way he was. He doesn't need to rip off other villains. At his core, the character is just a thief who likes to send riddles to the authorities to make the "game" more enjoyable. With the exception Gotham, I've found all of his recent portrayals in and out of comics have been very lackluster.

[@Chrisjbennett89]

Or scarecrow or the rat catcher

[@hbk42581]

Funny that he mentions Joker. Scorsese was attached to produce that movie in the very early stages of development.

[@madmojo9581]

He also have Phillips some pointers

[@budgiecat9039]

Scorsese's producer (Emma Tillinger who is the president of Scorsese's production company Sikelia Productions since 2006, and known for producing Wolf of Wall Street, Silence, and The Irishman) produced this Joker movie alongside Bradley Cooper and Todd Philips (who also directed), so even though Martin Scorsese supposedly 'backed out' personally as a direct producer of the film, he was still essentially still a part of it since his own company helped produce it.

[@DonEnzone]

Joker isn't a superhero movie.

[@Orieus]

@@budgiecat9039 yep vet true... He held Phipps hand through the production.... U can see it all over the screen, some of the shots were straight outta Martin Scorsese play book!

[@gabbar51ngh]

Joker doesn't really look like a superhero movie. Scorsese's comments were specifically regarding MCU if I remember.

[@laurencappra9914]

He didnt dismiss superhero genre, just marvel movies.

[@geo32573]

He was referring to superhero movies in general. The MCU was the question but Scorsese categorizes all superhero movies the same. I doubt he would think differently about Man of Steel or Justice League just because it's not marvel. They're all the same in his mind. Cinema junk food.

[@laurencappra9914]

@@geo32573 well yeah thats truth. He doesn't believe entertainment is necessarily art. But i don't understand why so much controversy about it anyway..

[@rivermode]

G.V. pretty sure he wasn't talking about DC considering he was an EP for Joker when it was being developed.

[@sampson3121]

@@geo32573 junk food? the stories of say the xmen had a lot to do with the civil rights movement. and many other Marvel characters are also based on topics such as abandonment, like spiderman and his parents leaving him. Scorsese is the equivalent of an old man complaining about a younger generations music. and it would help if he f ing watch one of the films before he opens his oldman mouth.

[@roarblast7332]

Sampson, please tell me you’re not that deep in denial. We’re really going to pretend the marvel movies are real movies? We’re really going there? Like heath ledgers joker was as serious a character as his role in broke back mountain? We are really going to pretend there’s not a clear distinction?

[@harveyscottz]

Him as The Two-Face and Neil Patrick Harris as The Riddler is a dream!

[@castle7689]

*Him as the Joker is all I can see*

[@anubusx]

David Tennant should be The Riddler.

[@agentjackstone3543]

The two face 🤣

[@ochayethenoo]

Paul Dano got the Riddler role now.

[@anubusx]

@@ochayethenoo He will be amazing.

[@kal3212]

CRISPIN GLOVER IS THE MAN!

[@omrmajeed]

Wow. Well said Crispin Glover. I will definitely buy his book when it comes out.

[@Goukimane]

All Crispin had to say was, for just 1 example of the 20 odd marvel movies, captain marvel was bankrolled by the air force, a division of our military that sees 45% of female enlistees sexually assaulted during their service, and due to that among other things, is seeing lower enlistment numbers. When these movies are bankrolled by our defense department, they're literal propaganda if not overt. And in the case of captain marvel when they brought out like, a schoolbus full of female airforce officers at the premiere, it is overt. Interested to read Crispin's book.

[@AloisWeimar]

library gary definite use of “soft power” for sure

[@valeweathers]

We need more Crispin in films

[@mitch1847]

Scorsese is a Mozart or Beethoven of cinema. Yes, I put him on that level. Cinema moves him in his soul. He would say Nicki Minaj or Katy Perry or Miley Cyrus is not music. Martin is on another level with his craft.

[@TheOwlCreek]

I would really love to see what Crispin would do with the Riddler as opposed to Jim Carrey's over the top buffoonery.

[@OurFantasyLife]

TheOwlCreek he’d be a fantastic Riddler, I think. I could see him pulling off the restrained anger and superiority that Nygma does so well.

[@ozricaurora6943]

Jim Carrey did it exactly the way Joel Schumacher wanted

[@coreylucas5346]

Spoken eloquently by Crispin. Better than what Marty said.

[@michaeltelman3441]

No he didn't, rambling idiot

[@ConnorMcCartney95]

It really wasn't

[@gjk2012]

He actually has the balls to tell the truth.

[@taoloveu]

Captain America the winter solider could be used to argue against this point With the exposure of the dangers of the surveillance state

[@MCShvabo]

Ironman 3 tackled PTSD in very realistic way if I may add, and Civil War also has good mesage behind it.

[@9776722]

@@MCShvabo lmao... barely. For Iron Man's final solo film, Iron Man 3 was pretty whack. You can't compare Tony Stark's PTSD with Jokers mental health issues. IM3 had like 2 vague PTSD moments in the movie. Civil War was nothing like the comic version. They were throwing one liners around throughout the entire airport fight.... throwing all the suspense out the window. Civil War has not aged well at all. The jokes are tired after repeat viewings, most of the fight choreography is tired looking and regurgitated, like black widows "legs around the neck move" Bruce Wayne's trauma in Batman v Superman was world's better than any of the Marvel movies you just mentioned.

[@9776722]

Captain America Winter Soldier is practically the only good MCU movie that still holds up oh, because it didn't use comedy relief to sell the audience

[@jordansherrick8213]

@@9776722 civil war and infinity war hold up imo

[@9776722]

@@jordansherrick8213 the humor in Civil War doesn't hold up. "We're still friends right?" "It depends on how hard you hit me " "I wish I had some orange slices" ....😑 None of the films "humor" still holds up. Infinity War has bad holes.... How does Bruce Banner know Thanos is coming and has a large army, when Bruce has no memory of what the Hulk experiences?

[@probstmedia]

Crispin is VERY careful about how he words things. He knows the industry too well. Obviously. But man when people talk like he does, the public calls them "conspiracy theorists"

[@persie8060]

or public calls them weirdos as in his case

[@CatLives9]

I could see Crispin Glover as Arthur Fleck in an alternate universe.

[@sharifmansour9678]

Have you seen him in Willard? It wouldn't surprise me if it was an influence on Phoenix.

[@afnangeographicalsciencesc1848]

he has,huge....even on river phoenix...

[@setdata4111]

I think Marvel balance the tone pretty well. And don't worry if you don't like them, majority of human beings like them and they are cinema.

[@knightghost1782]

I think any movie that's enjoyable or entertaining is cinema. Hell one can say jack and Jill is cinema. It's god awful sure but because how awful it is you can say it's entertaining you can laugh and make fun of it. There is a thing called bad movie night and I think that states it enough

[@haydengarinduchesne9269]

While I don’t necessarily agree with Scorsese ( whom I adore by the way ) We don’t have to get worked up about everything, and some things really, truly, are not that important. Sometimes it’s okay to not have an opinion, or to let others have a different opinion. There are far important things worth fighting for, and then there are what movies other people like and how that doesn’t affect you

[@ozymandias6817]

No wiser words were spoken on the internet today. My respects sir.

[@jordanrodriguez6412]

Mcu is garbage is what Scorsese meant to say

[@alexandrasylvan]

Has he even seen Winter Soldier or Civil War? Or The Incredible Hulk or Ant-Man or.... ? These are not movies about reinforcing the police state.

[@ZigUncut]

Yes they are. Watch again.

[@Lexpionage]

Zig Bingham winter soldier is literally about not trusting the current political system

[@Reggie1408]

@LokiTheRevenger You must be American.

[@ZigUncut]

@@Lexpionage it's about American exceptionalism. You may not have seen it but your brain did (to paraphrase plinkett).

[@boromirofgondor1856]

@LokiTheRevenger in Civil war, government wanted avengers to stop "being the policeman of the world". But guess who comes in and show em they are wrong? It's a guy named "captain america", and all that conflict was all by a mole (zemo), and cap was right!. So again, by trying to appeal to the rest of the world. The message is still there. Hey world, wait till america comes saves you!! If you cant see that, you better.

[@kennycords]

Less is more . We appreciate actors like Crispin because they pick and choose carefully. He has a lot of pedigree and integrity as an actor . If your a true film enthusiast you respect that . I’m glad he isn’t all over the place because that would be boring . It’s way more fun to find out a great actor Is in something you didn’t expect .

[@CleanFamilyVideos]

I dont think ive seen one interview with him after 1990 in which he didnt mention propaganda.

[@emrahoztek3662]

No, Scorsese didn't imply propaganda. He literally meant what he said. Those movies have nothing to do with the art of cinema. The camera has no purpose, there is no mise-en-scène, no composition, the cinematography is awful, the editing is bad. None of the tools of cinema are used to tell the story in an interesting visual way. And the fact that nobody understands what Scorsese said is indicative of the lack of knowledge from people of how cinema distinguishes itself from other art forms, which it's ok if you don't, you're not stupid because of that. But you can't deny that Scorsese's statement is objectively true. Imagine comparing Edgar Allan Poe to the chick who wrote Twilight. Nobody has a problem admitting Twilight is bad, but how many understand why? How many understand it is bad not because of its subject matter (a gothic romance) but because it's badly written? And it's not impossible to make a good movie from a superhero comic-book. Example: Sam Raimi's Spiderman 2, in which each scene has more hearth and cinematic ideas than any movie in the MCU. And I have never read a superhero comic book, but I'm pretty sure they're way more cinematic than the MCU movies.

[@seandavis908]

How embarrassing.

[@emrahoztek3662]

@@seandavis908 Why?

[@CindyXdress]

Mr. Crispin Glover, lots of respect from Russia, you are one of the great thinkers of our time ! glad you speak the truth while outspoken !

[@charliem9831]

Under a minute into this clip and I have a feeling I’ll have no idea where he’s going to go with this ...

[@sjjackson2125]

You are not alone 💯

[@stevoc9930]

Neither does he.

[@tylerdurden788]

He goes off on a tangent. I do that as well. I have to reign myself in allot.

[@Hobodeluxe960]

it's pretty simple really. he used it to plug a book he's writing about how US media pushes out pro-US fascist propaganda. That we are righteous protectors of the world and should regard our global military dominance as our divine duty to protect the world from the horrors of communism and socialism.

[@darkwyve]

@@Hobodeluxe960 That's ridiculous... ...ly accurate. ;)

[@nicksolan]

Him and David Lynch need go off and do their movie together! He was great in wild at heart

[@LordHaveMurcielago]

Is Richard Donner’s ‘Superman’ 1978 considered cinema?

[@mandogundam5779]

It's a masterpiece in my book

[@Nicole19989]

Pay attention: Scorsese attacked *Marvel* - NOT "comic book movies."

[@LordHaveMurcielago]

@@Nicole19989 I read the title and I know his comments are directed at the marvel movies. But my question was specific to that one particular Superman movie.

[@CyGea]

To define comics by just their creation period (pushed love for country), is to ignore the silver (pushed science) and bronze (pushed diversity) ages of comics. (Pushed is a strong word, more like, weaved the lesson into the story, like any good parable.)

[@chris102681]

Peter Parker, Bruce Wayne etc. Many of the iconic heros have great emotional stories that these snobs just dismiss

[@HiepNguyen-hw2hq]

Martin didnt dismiss the superhero genre, he dismissed the MCU

[@Anonymous.Throne]

Yea movies like The Nolan trilogy, Spider-Man 2, Logan, Watchmen, Richard Donner Superman, & now Joker are all great cinema

[@Anonymous.Throne]

thefleece 2 lol there are no obvious exceptions, because if that’s the case TASM movies & Joe Schumacher Batman movies would be in the conversation lol. It just depends on how the films are made

[@likearollingstone007]

Kids stuff

[@quizmo1000]

Christopher Koepke Scorsese was going to produce Joker but had obligations to shoot The Irishman around the same time so he gave Todd one of his producers to help. He’s not a snob. He’d just prefer real stories about real people.

[@NemeanLion-]

He literally looks like he just walked off the set of Back to the Future, as the older, cooler George McFly.

[@crashfellow82]

Films don’t need to be weird character studies to be quality. Entertainment can still be entertainment and it comes across as snobby elitism.

[@nelly-gu2qq]

yeah but his comment still comes across as snobby elitism

[@shreddiekrueger359]

Gravivector no, the point of art is to entertain. People like to give loftier meanings to art and expression. The only meaning is to entertain. Quality is in the eye of the beholder. Movies like the English patient get rave reviews for their artistry yet they are boring pieces of shit. You can put deeper meanings in your art but if it does not entertain it is useless.

[@wildkeith]

@@shreddiekrueger359 Maybe for you the only meaning for art is to entertain. For many though, art inspires and changes lives. Don't be upset at others because it doesn't resonate with you that way.

[@Gman941]

@@shreddiekrueger359 I know what you mean. Slow to build characters development can make the 3rd act climax really good. But with boring characters, who cares? The English Patient is an interesting choice to pick. I too thought any movie of that time would be a better Best Picture Oscar winner. I can watch Trainspotting (not up for Best Picture in 1996, but nonetheless) 40 times in a row and find it entertaining, while appreciating it's artistic merit. The English Patient is a snooze fest, with no real relatable characters. Hell, You could sit through Stanley Kubrick's Barry Lyndon, probably Kubrick's most slow and tedious film, and find it far more entertaining than The English Patient ever could be. Barry Lyndon at least is irreverent and snarky. I think Marvel Movies are not art, but they are cinema. I can sit through them, but they have a message, not a plot. Which is what Scorsese is talking about.

[@shreddiekrueger359]

Keith Gabbard I do see art that way, it inspires me in numerous ways however if it does not entertain the deeper meaning is not relevant. You can add deeper meanings to support entertainments relevance but in the end it’s entertainment. I can argue that sports have equal value with figures like Jackie Robinson and bill Russell. Those men were important cultural figures who gave people hope and a deeper meaning but again sports are merely entertainment. If art affects you emotionally it is serving it’s purpose to entertain. Don’t get so butthurt about it, we all like art.

[@georgetentean243]

Jesus Christ, Scorsese meant that superhero movies are just casual entertainment and that "cinema" means serious movies that (ideally) deal with real-life subject matter. Why is that so hard to understand?

[@garyfrood6670]

Did he piss off hollywood or something he is a great actor that never got the roles even ones he was perfect for

[@TheKitchenerLeslie]

Yes... plus he's weird. He sued Robert Zemeckis.

[@legend3061]

He's a nightmare of a pill head

[@tobylerone8416]

@@legend3061 he looks pretty damn healthy and aged incredibly well if he's a pill head. I'd be much more inclined to believe that those are just stories that have been put out there to discredit him by certain Hollywood factions. He's a very good actor and had he been more of a yes man to Hollywood then he'd probably been in a lot more big movies than just Back to the Future, Charlie's Angels and Hot Tub Time Machine.

[@bhlakbatosai]

@@tobylerone8416 he's doing just fine, playing the main villain in American Gods which is filmong a 3rd season plus he has a new movie Lucky Day coming out.

[@leelohaskin7941]

@@tobylerone8416 plus it seemed that he was trying to call out Spielberg, which is a no no

[@mannylee1983]

Crispin Glover is delightfully strange. It’s good to see him 😊 .

[@rjay235]

Just realised no one's ever worn a suit before

[@MalakianM2S]

Marvel movies are marketing campaigns that happen to be movies.

[@johnmiller5679]

Very intelligent interesting guy who got black listed to a point and we got to miss out on a lot more he could have done.

[@MH-zg5yw]

Crispin Glover isn't wrong about Marvel movies being propaganda. In 2017 The Independent published an article on this. "It is a matter of public record that the Pentagon has had an entertainment liaison office since 1948. The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) established a similar position in 1996. Although it was known that they sometimes request script changes in exchange for advice, permission to use locations, and equipment such as aircraft carriers, each appeared to have passive, and largely apolitical roles. Files we obtained, mainly through the US Freedom of Information Act, show that between 1911 and 2017, more than 800 feature films received support from the US Government’s Department of Defence (DoD), a significantly higher figure than previous estimates indicate. These included blockbuster franchises such as Transformers, Iron Man, and The Terminator......When the CIA established an entertainment liaison office in 1996, it made up for lost time, most emphatically on the Al Pacino film The Recruit and the Osama bin Laden assassination movie Zero Dark Thirty. Leaked private memos published by our colleague Tricia Jenkins in 2016, and other memos published in 2013 by the mainstream media, indicate that each of these productions was heavily influenced by government officials."

[@spock8113]

I love the thoughtful and truthful comments that "comic Book " movies are extruded propaganda that make Americans feel like we are righteous and justified police force in the world. They aren't a character study, necessarily, just feel-good propaganda. I don't understand some of the extruded animosity towards Crispen other than he stood up and fought for his reputation and speaks to the truth about certain aspects of Hollywood. Sorry it took so long to find this, but this is a great interview with a very interesting and smart guy.

[@Jantonov1]

Glover's point is different than Scorsese's point. Scorsese doesn't call them cinema cause there is no risk for the characters and they don't really grow. Therefore they're more cartoons than cinema.

[@ozymandias6817]

Broader audience doesn't care about artistic way of movies, the movie should be relatable (character and emotion wise) / should have typical moral values, as we see Kubrick's movies aren't the highest grossing but Marvel's are. Because they appel to much larger audience and do what it IS MADE to do, which is ENTERAIN THE BROADER AUDIENCE, i love Scorsese and marvel btw, the mistack is to compare those two, it's just like comparing DC and Marvel some people relate to something some doesn't, doesn't necessarily mean others are idiots. In Scorsese's way Marvel may not be that enjoyable and that's quiet alright but that doesn't mean Marvel is bad or for that matter any comic book movies are. Peace

[@zachmorley158]

So audiences are just cattle who need to be entertained??? You sound like some kind of grotesque Utilitarian libertarian who only thinks base instincts and needs are what’s required for a good life. No, the good life is marked by challenging oneself creatively- including audiences.

[@ozymandias6817]

@@zachmorley158 lol I'm what? I'd say that's quite a fast judgment based on nothing? Read again my comment, i said Marvel movies do what THEY are supposed to and expected to do, to entertain people. It's plain and simple why don't you just understand that instead of categorizing me into your narrow “tis nd tat" worldview.

[@ComicBookGuy420]

Then why doesn't Scorsese do a noir superhero movie, for whatever company, add his own personal touch Personally I'd love to see what he could do with Question

[@natalieps2387]

Crispin still has a great head of hair. Def an interesting guy & a pretty cool career. I wish he did bttf 2 b4 he said no & they chopped his role to bits. Glad he won that lawsuit too bc that is creepy af they put basically his face on another actor. A lot of shady stuff by gale & zemeckis like I believe they hired stoltz just to kill time til they could get first choice fox ( which tg they did bc fox is Marty. ) stoltz gave 1 interview in 94 saying he was told to play it serious & they only did one take on anything close up on him. If that's true thats dirty pool. Its sandbagging bc then they went to the producers & said " look hes not getting the laughs " if they told him to be serious then that is so messed up. Stolz claimed he would have played it funnier. Also I think they got turned off when they did the read through & the cast was asked what did they think. Stolz said " I think it's a tragedy. Marty has different memories then his entire family. " I never thought about it that way. I guess I just cant take it too seriously or not a lot would fit. His parents were wealthier so would they really live in the same house albeit much nicer inside if George was so much confident & successful. Also would the older kids still live home since they also were more successful. Dave went from working at a macdonalds to an office wearing a buisness suit. Would biff really be working for George after he bullied him for years & tried to assault Lorraine?? I know it was the end & they had to wrap it up & wanted to show everyone at once in a scene to show how different Marty's parents & older siblings were bc of George & Lorraine being totally more confident happy & in love people. Also I always had the impression Marty found doc maybe to work for him & looked to spend more time w/ doc than his dad or older brother bc they were kinda losers.

[@AvnerRosenstein-ULTRA-LXV]

Glover and Viggo Mortensen could be brothers easily

[@chriscraven9335]

Looks like Cris stopped aging when he hit about 38 years old or so

[@jbeihl1]

Lol that line about corporate entertainment media went right over Collider heads

[@juancpgo]

Martin Scorsese didn't say comic book movies aren't actually cinema. He said he can't see MARVEL movies as cinema. He probably hasn't the same opinion on comic book adaptations in general, it's just the way Marvel does movies. And he doesn't even say they are bad, he just said they aren't cinema.

[@penske_material]

I agree with Crispin, he just used the wrong word. But I still think Martin Scorsese is right

[@barriniho]

He wrote a book? If you put your mind to it, you can accomplish anything.

[@Ccfatfat8427]

Scorsese’s comment was so blown out of proportion, I wish people would just watch the original interview.

[@matthewloller4063]

Just because something makes a truck load of money doesn't necessarily mean it's just straight propaganda

[@lsmlsm2115]

Thats not why Marvel is propaganda.

[@gulinp1]

@@lsmlsm2115 because of Disney behind them...

[@Jonbj90]

I think the problem is the total lack of interesting scripts in recent years, EVERYONE should be happy that there are good stories to draw from and that in most cases have turned out to be decent movies or at least fun to watch. Many cinemas have also remained open due to this blockbusters receipts. Without open cinemas where you going to project "committed" films?

[@mbjac]

Crispin "im writing a book" Glover

[@cjhepburn7406]

Sqweeky Badger Mc Flllllyyyy

[@davo-ju6er]

" yay america " Glover knows it .

[@Kherian888]

It takes some balls to say what he said. Honesty is so rare nowadays in mainstream medias that you can sometimes hardly recognize it when its shown.

[@thunderbirdmcfly8657]

They said the same thing back in the days about Star Wars. Lucas's director friends made funny of him and when it was a success they were so critical about the doors that kind of movie opened for cinema.They hate any kind of movie like that.They believe that's only one way to make movies

[@tarikkovacevic6103]

except spielberg,spielberg said that it would be a great hit

[@44BlueFoxes]

Thing is, I love Marvel films; I'm also uncomfortable with the monopoly Disney are getting over the entertainment industry.

[@TOMMYFARRWALES]

This was 3yrs ago,, its 2023 now, Its not because they from comic books,,its because they redo them 6/10 times over,,, Be hell if they redo back to the future over and over again, same as rocky or forest gump so on,so on,, Thats where I agree with the criticism of marvel and dc movies are not real cinema, even though they are entertaining cinema and enjoy them myself..

[@elongatedmusket7430]

I always wanted Crispin to be the Joker.

[@brandonwei7897]

I hope when the book comes out Crispin says to his family, "see, when you put your mind to it, you can accomplish anything."

[@kungfew1396]

I have always thought Crispin Glover would make a great Joker on film.

[@zeekman7223]

This guy needs to be in a Christopher Nolan film. Perfect match

[@Palfy18]

I think the issue is with manufactured movies like Marvel vs crafted movies.

[@bobshrubb3067]

Stupid comment, every film is manufactured, his films are big budget too

[@ratthawks]

You still have to craft comic book movies as well...so you answer is obsolete

[@bobshrubb3067]

@@ratthawks exactly, it is an insult to the directors and actors to suggest these films aren't worth that title, look at the end of Endgame with that emotion and tell me that is not cinema, utter tosh

[@Palfy18]

@@bobshrubb3067 A movie cannot be all things. The emotions and environments these characters occupy often feel as plastic and cookie cutter as the merchandise they sell, and this isn't just a slight against Marvel. The recent Joker movie took risks, it doesn't have the same beats as a typical comic book inspired movie. It's janky, rough, but the audience walks away knowing they have witnessed good art. A movie where the actors and director were able to put their souls and expression into it, with no care for being universally loved by all.

[@bobshrubb3067]

@@Palfy18 what a snobby reply, I bet Robert Downey Jr is dam proud of his work as Tony Stark

[@tomsenick2033p]

I've been saying this for years, these characters were created for little boys. They were never meant to be deep character studies.

[@negativeindustrial]

tom senick You have no idea what you’re talking about.

[@loreaver3882]

"Batman was created for little boys, therefore a writer can't tell compelling stories or character analysis about that property." Bullshit

[@delonking8050]

He wants to play joker you can tell and you know what he'd probably kill it

[@natwalsh2710]

We want him to play Joker too. If only there will be someone who can and will hire him.

[@gaminghands4945]

This is the ramblings of a mad man. He's not saying anything, heh. Marvel comics weren't propaganda, and even if they were, how the hell is that remotely related to Scorsese saying they're not cinema?

[@eh2396]

Tom Delonge and Crispin Glover could be brothers I swear.

[@dobi287]

They look nothing alike, does Tom talk like this or

[@eh2396]

@@dobi287 or you're probably an idiot

[@Top10WizardReviews]

0:24 I can't find reference to this book and I would love to read it.

[@kie2899]

Marvel movies are cinema the same way NSYNC is music... corporate, extremely safe & non thought provoking.

[@chosenone3527]

NSYNC is music though

[@Negative.headspace]

I'm not a comic book reader but I like the movies, at least marvel ones, dc can't really get it right, except the batman ones.

[@IvanMallia]

I feel comic books sometimes go deeper into the characters than real life stories do.

[@dobi287]

Do you mean live-action?

[@IvanMallia]

@@dobi287 no I mean cinema based on real stories. For instance in comics and movies based on them, the theme is often, what would you do if you had great power, no one else had? And many other themes that cannot be found in non-fiction movies.

[@johnmastroligulano7401]

Very wise words 2:54 thank you Crispin Glover.

[@MisFit-138]

Idk, while comics were definitely used as propaganda, I dont agree that their sole purpose is to comfort children during wartime. The industry has changed and grown and so have the characters. Saying Superman can only be used to tell stories relevant to children in the 30s and 40s kind of ignores decades of industry and character progress. It's all the generalizations that irritate, honestly. You would never hear "science fiction isn't real literature" though I've certainly heard that said about comic books, mostly from people who never read them.

[@MisFit-138]

@@heydudedolfan13 The point I was making is that comic books cover a huge scope of topics and reflect a wide variety viewpoints. Saying they are "about" any one viewpoint is utterly incorrect and beyond presumptuous. Comics are published across the world. British writers arent enforcing American exceptionalism, for example. Read anything by Alan Moore and you'll be hard pressed to find any pro-American messaging. Crispin has his presumptions about comics which prevent him from actually engaging with them. It's the definition of "ignorance is bliss".

[@MikeBarbre]

If Phoenix doesn't win Best Actor across the board, the awards process itself is rigged. He's absolutely brilliant. That said, am I wrong to think Crispin Glover wouldn't have been a bad choice for the role?? He's JUST the type of actor to disappear into The Joker character.

[@Retrophoria]

The mcu movies didn’t just base themselves off of characters and story’s that came from comics but the whole comic structure. Each movie is an issue of a comic and those issues lead to crossover events like avengers and infinity war. Some people may call them lazy or repetitive but each movie is needed to build that comic feeling. At the end of the day that was the goal of the mcu to make movies like comics not to just make comic book movies and clearly it’s resonated with comic fans and a larger audience so I think they did their job. Yes it’s a new way of storytelling and older people might see it as lesser quality to what came before but it isn’t worse just different and I don’t think being different classifies something as “not cinema” or art.

[@zachmorley158]

Just watch each individual movie. They’re all the same, poorly written, flat characters, repetitive, and too gaudy.

[@zachmorley158]

Guardians of the Galaxy is the only one(s) with real auteuristic vision. Iron Man 1 was good. Captain America 1. Maybe a few others. Overall, post Phase 1 has just been rehash.

[@BreezyP]

@@zachmorley158 Sorry, but I just cant see how you can call Ant-Man and Black Panther the same movie

[@williamshaw9047]

I'm not a fan of superhero movies, but you have to have true super powers to sit through one of the films he directs himself. I saw the one with the talking snail. He was nice to everyone afterwards and signed autographs.

[@joeydarko4354]

I see Crispin, I click. Crispin writes a book? I'll buy! 🙂🤩

[@DavidM-mb1vx]

Anyone who considers comic movies as good films lack intelligence needed to follow a plot and understand dialogue. How many times do we have to see Batman? WFCares? The Irishman was great unfortunately most people are too dumb to follow along and prefer action sequences every 10 mins.

[@andrewlaxton50]

The people who don’t think comic books aren’t thoughtful haven’t seen them or don’t see the right ones. Logan, X-men 1 & 2, infinity war and endgame, the winter soldier, guardians 1 and 2, black panther, etc. how are these films considered propaganda and not films like back to the future, which he starred in? Unfair statement from someone who probably has only seen a couple, of any, comic book films.

[@jordanrodriguez6412]

Because mcu is garbage.

[@rockabye274]

I agree. I would be surprised if Crispin has seen more than one or two MCU movies (and maybe zero). He's talking out of his hat here and avoids any specific references to Marvel movies (because he hasn't seen them).

[@hammadkhan450]

because back to the future wasn't written during war time hysteria and had no objective to console the american public, unlike most of the famous comic book leads of the time.

[@andrewlaxton50]

Hammad Khan so your gonna tell me Endgame is propaganda and Back to the future is? Neither one are.

[@hammadkhan450]

@@andrewlaxton50 No I wouldn't perosnally tbh. The movies don't have that vibe. But they have the mindless feel of consolation that some war time propaganda pieces have, but that is like every blockbuster about a hero.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

He's right about the propaganda of Marvel's films. However, it's not quite the way some people may think it is. For instance, while the earlier comic books they reference justified war and were pro-America propaganda, a lot of the films today are more oriented around Liberal propaganda. However, one movie I wish they would have referenced, which kind of subverts a lot of typical propaganda standards is The Winter Soldier, and to a somewhat lesser extent Civil War. I wish they would have asked Glover what he thought of those films, because Winter Soldier was ultimately a critique on Orwellian-style surveillance turned on its head (and literally used to kill select people) while Civil War deconstructed the necessities of State-controlled super entities. Not saying that either movie was a masterpiece, but they definitely touched on some interesting concepts regarding the gray-area morality of the industrial military/surveillance complex and how it can/is used to undermine the safety of citizens.

[@manuelromerobackupchannel6799]

Idk why ppl tripping its truue what he said ... he didnt say they arent enjoyable movies thoo .but to the artist like himself its more of a movie made by a corporation than maybe an artistic vision

[@posefile8873]

Manuel Romero - Life & Art Except they have nothing to do with the “propaganda” or “police state” drivel he’s going on about; with the exception of Cap, they’re a bunch of characters that a cool dude named Stan Lee and some equally cool artists made up about things that interest them,... in the 60’s. Not the fucking 30’s or 40’s. The irony is, the Joker movie is a Scorsese film rip off and the biggest propaganda film of the bunch. Another “artist” spouting off regarding things he’s misinformed about...

[@ascend3654]

its a nonsensical opinion. comics are LITERALLY art lol. art as you must know can be anything. and when your art is beloved by millions of people worldwide no one can discredit you.

[@ZigUncut]

Absolutely. These movies are comfort food. They are ice cream and thats fine but ice cream alone does not make a meal.

[@sampson3121]

all he makes are the same movies over and over and over again. don't tell me, his new film is about gangsters right? lol fuk outta here.

[@friendly1870]

@sampson ireman As if that trash movie wolf of wall street is art. glamorizing the life of a scum bag theif. Martin is just mad cause nothing he ever makes will earn 1 billion. that stings when you're supposed to be the hottest thing going.

[@SkemeKOS]

He means that Marvel movies are shit. He just don't wanna be blunt about it. It's about time someone like Scorsese spoke up about this shitty marvel movie trend, but he needs to stop beating around the bush, because people are confused on what he thinks. Just say it how it is! Superhero marvel movies are the worse trend in cinema history. They have ruined cinema for me. It's too much.

[@themasteryourdaddy.6307]

Wow, he looks amazing.

[@chrisballesteros6181]

I think Joaquin channelled his inner Crispin for the Joker. I can see Crispin playing this role the same exact way.

[@hermanmelville3871]

He didn't say "comic book movies." He said Marvel movies. Big difference there.

[@aaronstark5060]

Not really.

[@JulianGonzalez-ve4tz]

It's like parents who dont know anything about video games consoles and call every console a nintendo. He meant comic book movies but used Marvel since that's the big name of the house

[@TheGreatBlumpkin]

Wow!! This is the 1st time I've ever heard someone have the same opinion on superhero movies as me!