The Boss That Ruined RuneScape Forever (OSRS)

Old School RuneScape's coolest and most exciting new boss was also it's most overpowered one. Today I discuss how Zulrah decimated Old School RuneScape's economy and has left a last impact on the game and Jagex.
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[@sesMasist]

Now that Scurrius has been released that clip is even funnier now.

[@em18192]

the footage was even where scurrius was placed! wow

[@malanuts1732]

The problem with OSRS and most games nowadays is that the players have become so obsessed with the META that nobody just plays for fun anymore. Hence the death of minigames etc. Its all about max xp/gp per hour and less about the experience.

[@AtypicalAdventurer]

Thank the lawd for ironman modes. Still a bunch of meta chasers in every corner of the game, but eliminating moneymaking from the experience allows a player a lot more freedom in what they can/should do, ironically

[@MrPatrickbuit]

The main issue with osrs is that once you hit level 70, the grinds become so ridiculously slow. No grind is fun for that long.

[@557deadpool]

That's always been true, even back in 2007

[@l0lan00b3]

@@AtypicalAdventurer ironman mode is literally why this video was made lol

[@EresirThe1st]

The only reason people didn't do the meta back in 2007 is because guides were shit and everybody was a ten year old who played after school

[@mrdubbs9877]

I've been saying this for years. Sad they killed off like 90+% of skilling money making methods by making monsters drop.all the resources you would ever need..

[@ReinierRuneScape]

But there is a tax system and the ge destroys items

[@nicholasming5976]

Tax is okay, really only bad for flips. But the resource drops should’ve been stuff that already held value outside of their scarcity. Rune bars, ores, magic logs stuff like that. It’s when they updated slayer and added all the noted drops that killed mid level skilling. Gargoyles and kurask being the worst

[@DJ5540]

@@ReinierRuneScape The tax does not remove resource items from the game, only high value items that aren't likely to leave the game once they are brought in.

[@glubstubs]

Rs3 has some interesting ways to combat that

[@erickchristensen746]

Yeah, as much as I enjoy bosses, I’m not enjoying that the game is just turned into a “boss only” game. Skilling outside of very specific things are slowly dying.

[@austinwilburn1772]

If it makes anyone feel better about Broken Hands. Every player has to visit his island at some point in there game. It’s one of the spots you teleport via the fairy ring to reach the Queens hidden base.

[@Die10003]

Also a clue step or two on that island

[@MrPian0Mann]

I never even knew it existed lol

[@igooog]

jokes on you, i never finish fairytale 2

[@austinwilburn1772]

@@igooog wow, so you just left a person stuck in a coma when you could of done something about it? Wth man?

[@Richjack3]

@@austinwilburn1772 xp waste

[@kadboodle]

I genuinely am sad that skilling is hardly profitable. It genuinely sucks. Just time and money sinks to max

[@Heihachi_Joestar]

Its the most boring part of osrs

[@HOMM1ECLAN]

woodcutting you make profit, mining you make profit, runecrafting you make profit, hunter you make profit, thieving you make profit, farming you make profit, fishing you make profit. but you're right, you can hardly make profit skilling. how dumb are you??

[@NergusFlame]

@@Heihachi_Joestar It's boring because you get shit gold for your efforts. I bet you everyone would find rcing fun if it made them 10m per hour.

[@TheZoan007]

Farming is still very profitable

[@tuke202]

That is why you make an ironman, skilling feels so rewarding just stacking thouhsands of supplies

[@solarifle]

While it might've been bad for the game at the time, Zulrah is in my opinion THE most important update of the history of OSRS. To me, Zulrah was the point where Jagex wanted OSRS to stop being in the shadow of RS2. Even if it's an easy boss by today's standards, without it being a stepping stone that proved to Jagex that we can handle challenge in our content, we wouldn't have raids, the inferno, nor any other content where Jagex tries to push the limits of their engine (see sepulcre)

[@ColonelloRS]

Very true! I would much rather have Zulrah exist today, despite what it did to the economy and skilling, than have it not exist at all.

[@kylejoly577]

They could still have made it with the same mechanics - and the future, harder stuff you mentioned, while making the table more rare-focused.

[@solarifle]

@@kylejoly577 True, but modern MMORPG design is pretty much built around pushing players into the end-game, and OSRS is no exception (How people were training melee skills back in actual 2007 seems crazy compared to NMZ strats). Bosses like Zulrah/Vorkath that are low barriers to entry, while being consistent profit without RNG are pretty much the best way to get people who are just starting to look into the end-game, which is why I say that it was bad for the game at the time. Up until CoX there really wasn't much worth doing anything else unless you enjoyed pet hunting, so by the time we got our first raid, we had at least 2 years worth of supply drops being dumpstered by almost every high level player.

[@reece-diesel]

@@ColonelloRS so it didn’t ruin RuneScape then? 😊

[@Jokervision744]

@@reece-diesel Playing in the ruins isn't that hard. It's not just that fun. Like the video says at the end how skilling lived next to pvm, and now skilling is just the skeleton guy at the table of the poster of the game, but this time it's just the knight who imagines that his friend who is the skeleton is actually alive. Maybe using ruins to picture RuneScape is bit too dramatic, but it's in a state of mess. I feel like so many things that are not even RuneScape actually are shaping out the game. I still keep wondering how big part Venezuelans have in RuneScape.

[@SpankinDaBagel]

I bet almost all of us immediately knew what boss was being discussed before clicking the video.

[@squigin3380]

I audibly said there's no way it's not money snake right? As I clicked on this video

[@Youtubecansuckmycock]

I like doing this boss

[@TheAlbin0zebra]

Snake zulrah or bird nex

[@flameRFTW1]

I thought it would be vorkath

[@feedmepure1]

As a rs3 ironman I always looked as pre nerf zurah and laughed at the osrs community going on about integrity and shit. You guys had 1 boss that was the game.

[@Berd]

the boss that ruined runescape forever (immediately shows my mom)

[@TheLifesach33z]

Also, if you kill the crippled little rat, you can get a smaller rat named Hector as a pet. Its only dialogue would be *aggressive dinging noises*

[@literatemax]

And it would ask to see your bolls if you wear an Amulet of Bellspeak

[@styxzero1675]

Never knew the boss was based on snake specs, makes sense now.

[@zometthecomet]

And just like skill specs it ruined the game 😂

[@matthijs2981]

The nightmare has a cool droptable, but my complaint there is that there are too many different powerful items there. Why not just have the staff and orbs, and give the BIS inquisitor gear to different bosses? I would like to see powerful items spread out a bit more. Just like how all the bis jewellery comes from 1 npc. The way gwd did it is truly the best way, because the split in styles and lore makes sense.

[@bonusmeme4691]

Eh, I don't think Nightmare is the worst offender in this, since its drops all have narrow niches. Nex on the other hand... Yikes

[@starkestej8250]

Only the OG’s will remember picking flax 😂

[@groundcontrol6876]

I remember back in the day you'd just log in, chop yews west of Catherby bank and just hung out there for hours being afk and having conversations with strangers and you'd have so much fun. When OSRS came out, that's exactly how it was for a good while, and pking was really active. Then this happened (what you explained in the video) and OSRS became something else entirely. Don't get me wrong, I still played the hell out of it and even maxed, but it was because before, I was the kind of player that did it all... lying back and afk skilling, doing some slayer, killing green drags, going to the mining guild so I could mine tons of coal to make steel bars for cash, but what really took the cake for me and was my favorite vice was Edgeville pking. Then all these updates started coming out and I was like hmm, what if I tried out PvMing? (I always saw PvMers as noobs back in the day and thought pking was where it's at. Anyway, I really enjoyed PvMing. I used to not like slayer but after I got into the late 70's to mid 80's, I really fell in love with it and PvMing was my new thing. It was still fun though because at the beginning, skilling was still an option and profitable, even if it wasn't quite as good as high lvl slay and pvming. Slowly but surely OSRS turned into either pvming.... or pvming. PKing wasn't the same cuz it was hard to find a steady stream of fights like before by just showing up at Edgeville on your cb lvl range's location, most skilling areas were prety deserted (like the almighty flax fields and the yew trees around it), and well it kinda lost it's original appeal. Idk how to put it without having a super long, complex and nuanced conversation about it, but it's bittersweet. I really miss the old essence and magic of it. It's a feeling we'll never be able to capture again. Flash2:wave: Selling iron knives 55ea---SomePlayer123

[@alyssaangel1094]

iron knives are no longer meta for training range

[@groundcontrol6876]

@@alyssaangel1094 You obviously didn't get the post. Read "Back in the day". Nobody sells items by going to west Varrock and spamming the same message over and over again now, they just chuck em in the G.E. I'm talking about the past. Jeez you're thick lol.

[@has489]

I was very active playing RuneScape around 2006 till 2010. When they released osrs I started again. After the first hit of nostalgia the game became boring very fast. I am glad they polled and released new updates.

[@masonbeasley5719]

I’m sick of people conflating nostalgia with a game not needing updates. You and I were kids and thought/ engaged differently, had different expectations, etc. Things will never be like that again because you can’t time travel lmao. Instead of yearning for the past, how about learn how to live in the present. Nostalgia wears off quickly dude.

[@dm1972]

It was honestly crazy that the meta for ironman was to kill like 10k zulrah if you wanted to max. This is unfortunately one of the issues we were going to face when we reset the servers to 07. We went from having no endgame bosses outside of GWD (which have terrible overall drops) to the first boss with a good farmable drop table. Zulrah did a good job of killing off alot of the boring content that makes players end up quitting the game.

[@Brentastrophe]

I still haven't done zulrah. I like playing OSRS to do the old content and I'm really lazy about re-doing content. I'm glad yall get new challenges and hard content to do because my peak/end was probably the era of Heart Of Gielinor RS3 years

[@randomized614]

You need it for diary

[@conspiraciesexposed7760]

I used to be the same

[@conspiraciesexposed7760]

But I won’t pick flax now a days or play iron

[@randomized614]

They need new resource types. We keep getting better BIS items for PVM/PVP but have the same fish, trees, runes, etc.

[@Gameprojordan]

Mining and smiting would benefit alot from this

[@IL_Bgentyl]

They need a bottom up progression. Where late game absolutely sucks the life out of low level resources. The only issue is bots but new world has used this system with great results as it allows new people to get reasonable gold. You could add a more natural way to break down gear also. Like breaking down armor just gives armor shards to upgrade/charge gear. This would let the economy raise the price on saturated items since they would be cheaper and everyone would buy them up.

[@thebenchmarkplays9379]

This would make me enjoy skilling

[@niq872]

yea rune being so high level when its pretty much useless after lvl 60 in alot of skills, the best part about it is high alching it

[@davemeade4371]

Maybe you shouldn't have voted for 07scape and pushed for dungeoneering era rs2. You all quit because glycors and inferno presented a challenge.. Soul split and turmoil were the best, hexhunter bow should have stayed in the minigame, or atleast retained its name. Twisted bow - yeah that's a cringey name. What the fuck is twisted about it besides reverse engineered into a worse fit?

[@bozobebop5859]

I miss skilling for gp back in the day, such chill times

[@bkoh9375]

They should make a new rat / snake boss named exmod Jed

[@stretchymc5126]

to be fair to oldschool this is largely a runescape problem, RS3 has similar issues which they have been recently trying to address by reworking resource drops from bosses. Rs3 have done well with drops similar to oldschools blood essence and spirit flakes, not direct resource drops but allows the player to gather those resources at a much higher rate

[@travisalexphoto]

LOL

[@NoobsofFredo]

Going through some of your older content after watching some of the newer stuff, and I did not expect to hear the name Gonthorian here! Real blast from the past, there.

[@thefatpakyak2826]

I'm surprised you haven't brought up how Jagex nerfed zulrah teles again to drop only 1 at a time which resulted in it skyrocketing to 50k and later then making it drop 4 at a time (which today stiff stands at around 25k each)

[@addictedtoRS]

I was thinking that. I wish I had grinded this boss more back then and saved these up. They are 36K each right now and rising rapidly for some reason. 1,000 kills would be 50,000 teles which nowadays would be 1.8B GP 😲

[@BioMasterZap]

Might be worth noting that the Spike was replaced by the Serp. The intent was one drop for each combat style. The fang working on the trident was also added in later blogs since the SotD was more PvP focused than PvM. Then there is the whole blowpipe speed thing which was technically polled at dart speed, but likely due to the CM who wrote the blog phrasing it poorly. For the drop table, I'd say players blame them a bit too much for the state of skilling. Even back in the day, bosses had drops like 100 Yew Logs but it wasn't an issue then. The bigger issue isn't that PvM drops skilling resources, but that PvM has gotten more endgame content with higher profit per hour while skilling has largely remained the same. There are far more non-combat skills than combat skills, yet there are a lot more combat updates and when we do see skilling updates, they tend to be new training methods, not new money makers. It is hard for skilling to keep up when they're getting minnows when PvM is getting raids. Some bosses like release zulrah did drop too much of certain resources to the point it hurt the markets, but a many skilling resources were already close to alch value so drop tables didn't devalue them; money makers just moved past what they could earn.

[@grandcanyon2]

bests comment on here. i can literally go duo bandos with a buddy who is also lvl 126 and we can make a few mill a trip. so far we have done 25 trips and ive made 180 mil gp from drops. Mind you each trip was on avg 2-3 hours. Thats about 7.2 mil a hour.

[@team3d180]

11:14 jagex really has perma fucked the eco forever lmao, 1 boss in and skilling died lmao getting excited over seeds died. And its like that today still.

[@team3d180]

"They had the best gear and stats" average player has all 40's-50's. Please.

[@lovsaphirars7119]

Blowpipe Void pvp meta was terrifying

[@ColonelloRS]

True! I can only imagine how scary the multi combat zones were for those few days.

[@Nate-xf6ns]

I returned to OSRS a couple months ago from quitting EOC in 2012 and man RIP skilling. It’s almost useless now and everyone is just doing bossing/raids. I remember the OG RuneScape was mostly pking/skilling.

[@grandcanyon2]

They do bossing/raids because that has always been the best money maker since runescape classics. The thing is back then in rs classics and rs2 , players had worse stats and lvls and gear, now the player base is older and train better have better gear and stats so they can go in groups and kill monsters on avg faster and better. The avg combat lvl and non combat stats of osrs players is much higher then back then. Alot of people still skill, but now they skill to max out their account or to gain total levels. Before players mostly leveled up skills to make money to afford to lvl up another skill and so on and so on. Skills are still fun their not useless at all, its just that bossing/raids provide more money. I can half afk train at abby demons for a few hours a week and make 8-13 mil off of whips.Pking dying on osrs has to do with the mechanics changing over time and a more responsive servers with alot less delay which leads, to a high skill gap in pkers. OSrs pvp skill of entry is to high for most players, the only thing that will still be somewhat active is clan/team pking in the wilderness. Not to factor in jagex made mistake by making pvp worlds, the literally broke the pvp community into to many groups in different areas and locations, so people went to edgeville saw no more people and quit. Before there would be 500-600 people in front edgeville on most wilderness worlds with all lvls from lvl 3-90 then you would go up a little higher to wilderness 12 and you would see lvl 90s-120s right under the black knight castle. Now its just folks on pvp worlds trying to spec rush folks 15 levels lower then themselves.

[@Arkantos1900]

Idk how people can see fun in skilling when pretty much you click on the same spot after a few seconds, compared to raids and bossing which is more intensive and entertaining

[@FirestormDDash]

Rs3 is mostly skilling. But has a core pvm still. Has a skilling boss too. If you want to try out your mainscape again you can ease yourself back into the world by turning on Legacy Combat(pre-eoc) in the settings under combat. Blood magic slaps. But also just easier to adjust as a rs2 player. I still usually run legacy.

[@grandcanyon2]

@@FirestormDDash NEVER i rather play osrs, there is a reason osrs has 75 percent of the player base and rs3 has 25 percent. With all its faults osrs is better to me.

[@AngusBeef0]

Which MMO doesn't focus on PVE for endgame content?

[@Vetionarian]

You forget that there is a clue step right next to brokenhandz. I see that dude often

[@watercrystals9744]

Skeletal Wyverns were just as much of a problem when they were buffed and they still haven't been nerfed, because Jagex decided to just keep putting out more and more rewarding content.

[@davemeade4371]

Wtf? You'd be hard pressed to find anyone killing those

[@ironqueen_osrs]

The idea behind the skilling resources from PvM is that high effort should yield high rewards. Although I definitely agree that jagex went overboard and put in too may supplies too quickly. and they still do

[@Fatsaver]

Meanwhile the osrs team still dont understand.. just look at what they did to my cactus spine collection *cries intensively*

[@JoeD908]

They haven't really stopped this practice. Look at raids 3 and the drop table items and values....

[@ryzae6202]

Dunno why they drop raw resources anyway like wtf? I liked the joke drops Like fully loaded tuna potato. Thats a good drop. Not 20x raw shark

[@randallradke1279]

You want to know how to fix it? Make Zulrah move to 5 different spots at random and pick a random color too. Makes it harder, less afk, and will overall reduce kills per hour, removing a lot of potential resources in the process.

[@bloodarcher7841]

That will make people not wanna fight it. Patterns are necessary. But it’s a good idea

[@amanormaybeadragon]

@@bloodarcher7841 why are they necessary though? Patterns just make it easy for bots. I found it very frustrating and boring trying to learn the patterns to get my diary kill. In the end I just played the fight by eye, as if it were random and i found it much more fun. I got the kill whilst enjoying myself instead of stressing trying to learn multiple patterns like some school test.

[@randomrandom9570]

@@bloodarcher7841 Patterns are a memory test. I'm personally not a fan of memory tests.

[@XXnlcodXX]

Keep in mind constant bad servers/ddos attacks made them rework death mechanics

[@ColonelloRS]

Very good point

[@Zehiret]

lol the servers are down

[@osrsbeatrs3249]

Would be cool if you consider a video on what the transition from RS Classic to RS2 was like in March 2004. As well as what RS2 was like in its first year of release. Might be tough to find sources on it, though.

[@CodCats]

i only played from 2013- end of 2015 but i remember making crazy bank at zulrah when it came out, i grinded zulrah forever it felt, thousands of kills, back when the blowpipe sold for like 30m!

[@ByeBaybe]

raw resource philosophy was a positive domino effect for improving skilling. forestry, gauntlet, motherload mine, hallowed sepulchre, ect. the game is much more interactive and fun.

[@ramp622]

Man I love your content. Just such well put together videos. Keep it up! Nothing but good things ahead for you.

[@ColonelloRS]

Thank you so much!!

[@NightlifeSux]

fact check: picking flax and mining essence had been worthless as money makers since nmz came out in 2013. people set up bots that had the optimal quests completed and players entered their dreams, afked and got oodles of flax and essence, among other resources. nmz is really what ruined runescape and that's a fact, jack

[@es4628]

Relax bud

[@yjre]

@@es4628 "relax bud" 🤓🤣🤣

[@es4628]

@@yjre Ronnie, do something with your time bud. Thank you!

[@NightlifeSux]

@@es4628 relax bud

[@es4628]

@@NightlifeSux Please provide actual data to backup your original post. Thanks

[@MikeSmith-lw4li]

fix skilling. You should make good gp for how long it takes. Doing some 80+ methods that yield under 200k an hour, or lose you money, is absolutely crazy.

[@null3472]

You forgot the part where they nerfed serp helm venom on npc and the str bonus

[@SearedBite]

pure ess wasn't a good money making method before this because of nmz. i remember when nmz first came out p ess was like 70gp and doing the endurance mode for 2m/hr (which was super good money at the time)

[@TheDragonshunter]

to be fair the island with the dude that named Zulrah is a clue step

[@99sonder]

And it's one of the 4 ring combination code in Fairy tale part 2

[@zukodude487987]

The crippled little rat boss had me ROFLMAO

[@oglostingaming]

Zulrah came out the day i got kicked out of my parents house. That's a pretty neat coincidence lol

[@GMO_Mobito]

1 Year later, there you have your Rat Boss xD

[@sdewey4152]

Meanwhile at Jagex. "Update to drop tables coming in 2069, sorry for Zulrah, nearly 50 years late"

[@GuilhermeHCardozo]

Here we have the first mention of the radioactive rat

[@Uncensored_Thrack]

So, I'm not normally an individual to point out small things, but saying "A new High Level solo boss, and it placed Second", while having the poll results showing it 3rd. My goodness man! Jokes aside, still an informative video, and quality watch!

[@sirisaac6125]

Well we're getting a rat boss now too!

[@brandonmcgillis]

Colonello with another bed time story.

[@Zero8654]

"A new high level solo boss" actually placed third, not second. It got 9.9% while "An update to the slayer skill" got 12.1% and obviously the zeah one won first by a wide margin.

[@RevBomb600]

future commenter here. rat boss just got added

[@randomshotz13]

Osrs is nostalgic in f2p but a whole new game in members. It is a shame that skilling is basically a means to quest / do efficient pvm but by leaning heavier on the combat system, which is the most technically advanced part of the game, Jagex have been able to create exciting content that rivals modern games. I came back for the nostalgia, I've stayed for the new game! Also skilling bosses were a smart way of bringing some of the complexity in combat to skilling, however they are still often gather X, place it in B or gather X, transform to Y, place it in B for extra damage So I appreciate some of the new minigames the most as they can be slightly unique in mechanics such as giants foundry

[@stumblinzz]

I actually love skilling regardless of what they do to these bosses. I am just now after a decade even starting to fight the bosses, and I have loved that when I try slayer now there is expanded drop tables that make me want to actually do the skill. If I kill the boss and I just get crap multiple times I literally logout and don't play for weeks or months and lose total interest in OSRS until I get a notion that maybe something fun might be introduced to the game again.

[@jessecw2]

solo boss placed 3rd behind continent and slayer update

[@halogamer117117]

We got a rat boss alright. Not a decrepit one though.

[@TheL0rd0fSpace]

Part of the problem is that people think that "if only this skilling money maker was better, then I'd skill more!" when in reality, there's no way that extra 200k/hr is what's keeping people from cutting yew logs. More people want to boss than to skill, so to keep the economy's supply of skilling items from drying up, some of it needs to come from bosses. Was Zulrah too good on release? Absolutely. Is it too good now? Probably not.

[@tumblingdown8612]

I think you have a skewed perspective. I hate bossing and many other people are in a similar boat, if I could afk and make 200k an hour i wouldnt mind.

[@selkokieli843]

I think pvm is the most visible activity, but most of us don't do it as much as afk skilling. it's mainly a late game activity done by long term players.

[@TheL0rd0fSpace]

@@tumblingdown8612 but you can do that! Check the skilling money making guides on the wiki: There are fishing, crafting, cooking, mining, fletching, herblore, smithing, thieving and magic skilling methods that crack 200k, and many which push 500k - 1m per hour. My point is that Zulrah, and other bosses which add skilling supplies into the economy, aren't "keeping you from skilling". You can still make great profit skilling if you want to. They're just a scapegoat for skillers to complain that their incredibly low effort methods aren't profitable enough. In addition, Zulrah actually *benefits* skillers, because she pushes down the price of base ingredients. Sure, Zulrah makes coal cheaper, which makes mining it worse, but that also makes smithing bars better! Zulrah makes magic logs cheaper, but that makes fletching magic longbows more profitable! This applies to almost everything on her drop table: Cheaper flax makes spinning bowstring better. Cheaper pure essence makes runecrafting better. Cheaper mahogany logs makes plank making better.

[@tumblingdown8612]

@@TheL0rd0fSpace nah bro I want traditional methods to be profitable especially for mid level players

[@TheL0rd0fSpace]

@@tumblingdown8612 What part of "smithing bars is more profitable due to the lower price of coal" did you miss? Are you really gonna look me in the face and say "Smithing bars isn't a traditional skilling money maker?"

[@zerne1000]

Bring skilling back as a viable money making method

[@erickchristensen746]

I mean it still is, it’s just overshadowed by bosses. Hunter for chins is still great, slayer is still amazing, farming is literally growing coins passively, but yeah it’s all still underwhelming compared to bosses.

[@SetariM]

@@erickchristensen746 It mainly pisses me off that RS3 doesn't have drops like OSRS does from normal monsters/slayer monsters that actually sell well.

[@007kingifrit]

you would need to add....new skills

[@Syphonfllter]

Just do some zalcano, you'll be alright..

[@erickchristensen746]

@@SetariM Sounds rough, I don’t play rs3, I’ve hated it from day one and have it a few long attempts and just can’t anymore.

[@Xiviuz]

I remember when bossing cost you resources and money and made you go in minus until you hit that special rare drop, now you just faceroll most of it and get spooned with resources. I love the game, but I also miss the OG days where I tried killing KQ for D chain, didnt drop, back to mining or fishing, sell everything and buy more pots etc. then back to KQ

[@nothnks4106]

had a buddy do a 1.5k kill count the first month of release. Made over 2b which was a TON of gold back in the day. I was against solo boss content since i was a clan leader and wanted group content. Everyone went solo.. was annoying.

[@KrakenJG]

Skilling profitability definitely needs to be brought back. I’m playing an iron account right now and I appreciate the drops for myself. On my main there’s no reason to skill for anything but exp. Realistically there’s no way for a low level player to earn money until they are 60+ in most stats. Like everything else - when they bring in updates something else dies. Coal trucks is a good example. With Miscellenia I have never had a shortage of coal.

[@sublimation72]

I would love to see a fully fleshed out osrs, now that they've really spiced up the bossing (and some skilling so far) imagine what they could flesh out in the future just like the upcoming woodcutting update.

[@freerice9595]

Like turning rs2 into rs3

[@Roge9]

I despise the purist mentality for an MMO. They just want the game to no get any updates and die.

[@scale8125]

Getting resources from a rare drop makes Runescape more fun for me. I like player choice more than I enjoy mind numbing grinds. I like that I can either chase a rare drop of hundreds of noted buckets of Sand from a boss, or I can choose to run from a bank to a sandpit back and forth over and over, or I could mine sandstone in the desert and get my sand that way. CHOICE In fact, the idea of getting resource drops from bosses is what made some skillers step into pvm in the first place. And you can't deny that some Hardcore PVMers would look at a bank full of Resources saved from the months of bossing and decide to train their skills using them. We all know most PVMers and Stakers just used their max cash stack to buy skills anyways. Essentially the issue being raised is it makes the economy slightly more shit for non PVMers. The way I see it is it makes the game into a more unified experience. I got to experience more of the game Post Zulrah than I ever did pre-zulrah. There were more ways to get into skilling than the usual means.

[@zoltan9760]

Just got zulrah pet 302kc yesterday! My 4th pet I'm hyped

[@ColonelloRS]

Congrats!!

[@gratedradish6699]

This is why I play my own version of the game on a solo p server, made all content actually rewarding, not just pvm.

[@tetee6789]

You play Runescape... alone??

[@Josie.770]

It's almost like you could have just made an ironman.

[@onogrirwin]

1:04 spoken like someone who wasn't there in 2007

[@SkyGrizzzley]

When I heard solo snake boss, I immediately thought of solo mission lmfao

[@colebevans8939]

I wish collection skills were profitable. Rune crafting is the only one that makes reasonable money anymore. Mining, fishing, woodcutting, and hunting are all basically dead content other than needing to finish quests/achievement diary. Would be nice if they found a way where those skills could all make you around 1-2m h/r at the higher levels like they used to.

[@BasedAlarak]

I still strongly regret selling my thousands of Zulrah teleports when they were like 100gp each

[@fleeper20]

For what its worth it looks like in that poll the new high level boss came in 3rd not 2nd

[@kilbornagon]

I have a maxed account and I feel like all I do is nex and raids 3 because their gp per hour is wayyyy higher than almost anything else in the game. I wish the skilling methods would become fresh again so I’d feel like I wasn’t mindlessly grinding skills just for pets

[@Currlly.]

Tribute to the Unregistered Hypercam 2. Nostalgia hits hard

[@HebiSnake]

The way to do it is how RS3 did with ore drops IMO; don't let monsters drop ores, but rather a consumable item that makes you get more resources faster from mining. Makes the boss still worth doing for base loot, but also keeps the skill itself relevant.

[@Heakz]

1:35 "A new boss, placed second" *image of poll results with it clearly placed 3rd*

[@smegwilson5907]

As someone who maxed on Runescape 3 and was eventually driven away by too many quests, I ended up leaving old school for a lack of rewarding skilling and too much pvm.

[@writhes7170]

Nice video. I don't even play runescape and never have but I still like to watch these videos.

[@rezarfar]

The reason they had to make bosses like Zulrah drop so many skilling supplies is because Ironman became so popular and they had to give IM more effective ways to get materials as they couldn't purchase them. Ironman released in 2014 and Zulrah was the first boss monster that dropped tons of supplies, Zulrah released in 2015, others have followed but Zulrah was the first. From a business point of view, it was a no brainer, IM mode became so popular and it outweighed the negative of nuking skilling profits.

[@cancerino666]

The fact I see people woodcutting and just dropping all the logs theu gather is really sad. Thank god for ironman, if I want logs, I gotta make them.

[@mattkramer7137]

I didn't even need to watch this video. Just wanted to confirm it was still Zulrah. I remember prices for items I was selling in 2013 and 14, hell even 2006. It's not even worth skilling anymore and skilling spots are so dead with bosses and minigames that circumvent skills.

[@RSAgility]

A big point in skilling for resources, instead of PvM, is that people that need to PvM continue to drive the economies of the skillers who are bringing them resources, like food and potions, but if you can just PvM everything, you literally kill half the game's purpose? I started in 2005 and RS has always seemed to favor combat over skilling.. Sometimes and update would make skilling be the best money maker, then PvM, and back and forth. Things change, but stay the same...

[@etherealpenguin8683]

I think you need to look at this from another perspective, it's not a boss that ruined OSRS forever, it's a gamemode that ultimately changed the design philosophy, I'm talking about ironman mode, conveniently released a few months before Zulrah, ever since then (even though the devs at the time said they wouldn't cater specifically for ironmen) everything has dropped supplies and resources en masse and I don't think that's a coincidence, a new solo boss coming out after the solo gamemode that dropped a bunch of resources that'd normally take a while to grind out solo, I don't think they had the economic impact in mind. Also you say they've returned to form with Nex/Nightmare but what are they? Oh yeah (not talking about Phosani's that got added later) GROUP bosses, not solo. How about we look at the latest solo boss, the phantom Muspah, oh god no, don't look at the drop table, don't look at the nerfs, quick, avert your eyes oh god they haven't learned anything at all.

[@bb-anon6746]

One of the most interesting things about this video is the presence of purists. Like, I've played OSRS since it's birth, but I haven't really thought of it in terms of having a history or like, ideologically driven movements like theirs. The purists haven't been relevant for years, and most of them either quit or play private servers now, so it's not like they're relevant. I guess I just kind of forgot about them, so it was pleasant to be reminded of their existence.

[@GenerationLex]

The problem is not that imbalances exist, it's that people are obsessed with them. If I chased only optimal gold and xp, I wouldn't have as much fun as I presently do just playing the game for fun. It's like playing a moba game with the only intent to get into pro teams. At that stage it becomes a job rather than a game.

[@jbugz134]

Good video . How about actually making an effort to remove all bots from the game . I never understood how jagex has allowed them to be In game for so long. Saw a thieving bot with 200mill thieving xp if that isn't a cause for concern then idk what is

[@justste711]

Its cool to think that they was thinking about a rat boss way back then.....and now we have scurrious, which imo is a perfect entry boss

[@asemov2707]

Zulrah I believe wasn't actually released broken due to poor planning, I genuinely believe it was done to increase the supply of items during OSRS's first drop in players.

[@elliotted6690]

Everyone is upset that skilling isnt as profitable because of the way drop tables have been stacked, but I think worse than that is the way it kills content in the game, whole skills even. If you want magic logs for example, whats the best way to get them? Thats right, Vorkath. three magic log drops from Vorkath is, on average, slightly more logs than you would get chopping a magic tree that never depleted for over an hour, even if you used a dragon axe and were level 99. Three magic log drops is also not a very hard number to hit, players who grind out Vorkath can get kills down to a matter of a couple minutes and so can recieve dozens of drops in an hour. resource gathering skills such as mining, woodcutting, and fishing, and even some of the processing skills like runecrafting and smithing become almost useless in the face of so many of these sorts of things. Its not just about the raw utility or uniqueness, but that its measurably not worth your time to even engage with them because after a certain point they arent even the best way of doing the only thing they do. Mining was only ever meant to be a skill that allowed players to get ore, but now its outclassed by slayer, or just buying ore at the blast furnace shop. Runescape is already a game about grinding, and what had ultimately happened is large portions of the game have become even grindier by just not having the long term utility that made some things feel less grindy. Forget the economy, any of that, its literally sabotaging parts of the game. It incentivizes players to do less and to move into narrower and narrower forms of interaction with the game. Just do Slayer, do just enough skilling to get some quests done, why do anything more?

[@grandcanyon2]

slayer would never give you more ores then mining the ores themselves as a person with 99 slayer, what your saying is not true. Processing skills give you the advantage of being able to have the option to get the resources yourself. Slayer doesnt even give you enough herbs or seeds then the training farming or herblore. No one is stopping players from skilling, if you want the resources you can go train the skills yourself.

[@pulsefel9210]

we still get people bitching about not being able to get ore from drops in rs3 now. making ores and bars only coming from mining and smithing was a good idea for keeping the mining skill relevant.

[@tbone2102]

NOOO why can't I AFK for the same gp/hr as people that learned how to PvM, paid for expensive gear, and are actively engaging with the game instead of watching porn in another tab?!

[@lorraineviruet8973]

I don’t play RuneScape anymore . I spent so much time on it I just can’t get back into it. Unfortunately the magic has been gone for a long long time. I have found new games I like though. With that being said I really enjoy watching these videos.

[@MuwuRS]

The Damnballa thing you did got a chuckle out of me lmao

[@OfficialRamZ]

NGL, it's reasons like Zulrah and Wintertodt that I don't actively play OSRS anymore.

[@TylerMcVeigh1]

Unless Jagex had gone back and reworked the entire drop table of Zulrah, it didn't matter what the other bosses follwing ir regularly dropped. Players will flock to the most consistent money makers. Why kill a boss like Phosani's Nightmare that you might lose GP on until you get a good unique when you could just get an average of 130k per kill at Vorkath with just the regular drops?

[@BTCarpentry]

An idea for skilling to make them more appealing for gathering resources: As you level higher, you have a chance for multiples of certain resources per gather. For example: When fishing for lobster at level 50, you have a % of a chance to catch 2 lobsters instead of 1. At 60% a higher percentage and so on.. But you'd only get a scaled % of xp for that catch to avoid having a huge xp rate for low level fish. It can be implemented with all dead gathering skills.. like mining and wood cutting too. I'd be nice to be able to make more cash or resources on those skills for gaining higher levels.

[@182isTommy]

I did Zulrah near the beginning (with that 100 shark drop or whatever) and did it 100% with a blowpipe and tank range gear. I got over 1500 KC that way before I was too wealthy NOT to invest in Max mage and range... It BARELY made it faster, but a lot more tedious. BP back then was TOO OP. Decided i wanted the pet so went for 3k kc... no pet until 2973 kc and then i never went back. Did the same thing with Vork... currently 4.5k kc and no pet fml.

[@tylerguitar75]

the problem with games like OSRS is that there are BIS items that everyone wears and there aren't enough alternative items with equivalent stats...

[@SnazzyBone]

The last minute of the video is officially a hot take because they released the phantom muspha with funny drop tables

[@X2yt]

Jagex still don't know how to balance boss drops and raids in terms of killing off skiling methods. Latest few updates, such as ToA, Nightmare and new Wildy bosses completely ruined numerous skilling economies, especially stuff like Runecraft. Blood runes are not even half of what they were worth 5-6 months ago, ToA crashed those completely. Herblore seeds, like ranarrs, snaps and torstols are also down by 60-70-80% or more, compared to their prices 5-6 months ago, Amascut and stuff like Phantom Muspah completely killed those. And the problem isn't just how many resources are pumped into the game with these new additions, even if, lets be honest, amounts dropped per kill/completion are nuts, but also that a lot of skilling resources are on common drop tables. So basically like 90% of time you complete a raid or get a boss kill, you are flooded with resources. Multiply that by hundreds of runs done by thousands of players, and you get an economy with rapid inflation, to the point where Jagex themselves need to implement actual taxes. You also get a game where skilling is basically useless, as 90% of economy is supported by PvM activities.