Colonial Dutch-Indies (1938-39 in colour) [Part 2 of 4]

[@lansanak]

as an indonesian i love japan even old people in my village speak japanese when they meet each others and i feel great spirit and exiited when i watch them actually indonesian and japan are brothers, because japan have austronesian blood ( o2b dna, southeast asian dna) and some words have some similiraty for example : suka (in indonesian meaning "like"), suki ( in japanese meaning "like" too)

[@rochelimit55555]

@IustitiaPax I attend a lecture by a professor from Leiden about 'Indonesian occupation' compared to Dutch, they all have something in common. It's a long story, but I agree with the conclusion, that idealism is not needed for progress. UK paid war crime to India, same with US to Japan. But Holland never paid anything back despite of 350 years of occupation. But Indonesia shows that they do develop nicely without any help. Indonesia gain their own independence and develop themselves nicely.

[@NovaDXXI]

At 1:23 we see Brewster fighter planes. The first of these arrived in the Dutch East Indies in 1941. So the movie clip is most probably from that year.

[@nschario]

Indonesia in the olden days was a eurpeoan colony. Besides it was a colony before it was a country it was a dutch colony before it was a country. So techinaclly There actually are such a thing as Indonesian people that are cacuasian you know like Alex and Eddie Van Halen.

[@fhqwoensel]

Mooie tijd was het daar ik herinner me nog alle geluiden,geuren etc ik moet toch eens terug na 65 jaar

[@mirror303ify]

Bowie, I know things like that exhibition keep going on and I disagree with them. On August 17th 2005, Dutch foreign affairs minister Bot joined the independence celebration in Indonesia and expressed his regrets. No formal apology yet, that would make a bunch of really old people in Holland angry, who were sent into a war that many of them did not want. Some people in Holland can still not accept the truth. The Dutch are stubborn... But, in a few more years I think yes it *will* happen.

[@mirror303ify]

you mean you declared it on 17-8-1945 ;) probably a typo :) The fact that Minister Bot was present at the independence day celebrations in 2005, means that the Dutch government acknowledges Indonesia's independence as per 17-8-1945, and not in '49 anymore. Yes they did that waaaaay too late but better late than never I think.

[@rochelimit55555]

@IustitiaPax I don't think you've read Multatuli's book, about how dark Dutch oppression can be. It's good that Indonesia decided to be independent out of Dutch occupation. Poverty in Indonesia? Poverty was rampant even during the Dutch & Japanese colonialism! Strengthening the relationship between Indonesia and Holland is one thing we should deal with these days. We never really have an official good relationship with eachother since 1950s, despite our 350 years of close relationship.

[@youcancallmelotti]

i am half dutch, half chinese indonesian. growing up was a bit awkward cause i look different yet couldnt be categorised since im mixed, the awfullest thing is when i was in school, it was the 5th grade, the teacher was telling us how evil the dutch was, so the class started to turn on me, and things like that.. this happened till im in junior high.. i guess it's sad how teachers putting these stuff into young people's head.

[@notaire2]

How peacefully and beautifully people lived in the prewar Indonesia!

[@Raap123]

A uncle of my father came from the Dutch Indies. My father told that the man like to hitt the Coolies whit a swepp. Even my grandfather(a serieus man who served the army from 1937 to may 1940) dislike this man.

[@Phosfert]

Hi @IustitiaPax! your arguments saying Sukarno studied under the cost of Dutch tax prayer" is fool to avoid the greed of rubbing down our country for several centuries!

[@Phosfert]

@tommyk1214 , Furthermore, how Dutch ruled Indonesia as Cultuurstelsel (People as slaves) led by General Johannes van den Bosch in 1830. COLONIALIST made the people work and SOLD all the natural resources to Europe countries. Maybe you would like to compare some colonies that have remained experiencing bitter life until today: Suriname. Is it because they maintain close ties with their colonizer? Look and compare how condition of our country today to the time when it was under the colonialist.

[@wishbonesi]

wah, mantap sekali jij poenja film broer ! Ik jadi bisa ngeliat itoe toen" dan njonja" meneer poenja gaia di djaman itoe :) Sajang takada soearanjah,,, kalo ada pan bisa djadi lebih bagoes lagi itoe :D Saloet !

[@purnomor]

Dutch colonialism is definately bad for Indonesia. It is basically daylight robbery in which Indonesian resources were stolen for the benefit of the Dutch. Dutch settlers were given special priviledges so they earned 100 times more than the native, the natives suffered racial segregation from most amenities, while practically nothing was done for the natives benefit (by 1939, there were only 900 university graduates in Dutch Indonesia compared with more than 100,000 in British India).

[@NLArmy]

indeed, where you got this from? It is quit unique

[@dajipx]

MERDEKA.....!!!!

[@thesasongko1]

stop hating guys.. it's a history, learn from it, deal with it. Okay? Time changed a lot, indeed, and stop living in the past hatred. I'm Indonesian, i love my country and I love peace.

[@lansanak]

MERDEKA!!!!

[@fisadhitya]

Merdekaa!!!!, Hidup Republiken!, Hidup Bung Karno!, Hidup Bung Hatta!, Hdiup Jenderal Sudirman!, Hidup Sultan! Ikut RI anti Nederland --> IRIAN

[@barryballsit4944]

Little did that shy young girl early on in the clip, know that one day that film would be seen by tens of thousands of people.

[@IustitiaPax]

@Phosfert I did not say that Christians did not support INdonesian nationalism, but most did not, in fact. Timor, North Celebes, Moluk Islands, parts of Borneo, Batak, Semarang, they all supported the Dutch rule. But of course sultans in Floris etc. did so too. There were also pro-Dutch Muslim Indonesians of course. Colonialism was not brutal after 1895 AD anymore. Social development was ensured. These are all facts you want to ignore. Hindia Belanda!

[@m4rs12]

and to think that the dutch came around 250 years before this as a "trade mission"

[@Phosfert]

@IustitiaPax/ Colonialism was not brutal after 1895 AD anymore? What about man-slaughter by Westerling "Dutch Militery" in Celebes within 3 months (Dec 1946 - Feb 1947? How about man-slaughter of hundreds of people in Karawang in 9 Dec 1947 by Dutch. It weren't brutal?. If you said those heartbreaking histories were not brutal, I could say them as barbaric treatment! On your sentence "after 1895 AD anymore", it could be concluded that before 1895, Dutch had been brutal in Indonesia. Is it right?

[@MrJaijden]

You probably never read about the indonesian revolution which lasted from 1945 until 1949, or chose to ignore it like my history teachers. I'm from dutch-indonesian descent. Although I don't hold any grudges I do think dutch people either don't know about how bloody the revolution was or choose to ignore it when telling about Indonesia's independence.

[@radioman-pz5jw]

Life in those days whas like a dream... Thanks to SOEKARNO to bring this dream to an end ... and kicked the dutches out from Indonesia thanks SOEKARNO you are my hero they sucked the country out for more than 300 years and still complaining the the people are lazy .. they where complaining abt suriname too untill we proofd them that our soccer players are the best. by the way we dont want them anymore in surname ,

[@fisadhitya]

do what to the Netherlands?, i dont do anything, infact i went there last year, to amsterdam, it was nice, and everyone there is friendly to us, they even said, many Indonesians came here (Nether.) as tourists and they are good tourists?, the only problem is some ugly bunch from your lot kept complaining about how colonialization of Indonesia would be better for us, which is NOT!, and im here to repel that....

[@fisadhitya]

can you guarantee that, living under a "colonial" status means that you live under the subjugation of law and policy of foreign governments or nation, maybe it is better if these governments knows very well in intimate detail the colonies culture and could respect and appreciate those, but in many cases they are not, ignorance and selfishness are what mostly occured, under a netherlands one more time, no more thank you!

[@Phosfert]

@IustitiaPax . Yo must know all institutions, infrastructures and education built by Dutch have been smashed down by our people. All of them have not benefial except for infernal history monument. I know Dutch built railway stations, but what for? Were they for Indonesia? No! They were for colonial beneficial! Dutch arranged plantations, built sugar factory, etc, what for? For Indonesia? No! They were for colonial and children in Netherland. How much costs for Soekarno's education?

[@Phosfert]

@tommyk1214, Thanks a lot for your sadness, but we, Indonesian people, really don't ask your sadness!! GDP is a standard of welfare for countries? Welfare is not Math, but WELFARE is: Freedom X Security X Money X Harmony X Natural Resources. Your mind should be changed when you don't want to be considered as a neo Evil!!

[@lansanak]

thank japan...

[@IustitiaPax]

@FRANCOISICHTUS I agree on Malaku and West Papua. Nederlands Indië was loved by most minorities, except not by nationalist and Islamic Javanese and Sumatran Muslims. However, let us never make the mistake and hate Javanese. Java has a rich and nice culture too. I just criticized Indonesian internal colonialism, which is far more aggressive than civilisatory Dutch colonial rule. I especially desire a linguistic and cultural bonding between the former Dutch East Indies and the Netherlands. Unity!

[@nschario]

Amsterdam, Netherlands ahh. What Indonesian are you? are you an indo or java or something like that you know. Cuz you know Indonesia was once a dutch colony from 1600-1945. but independence was attained in 1949 though.

[@WELLBRAN]

@NovaDXXI But the air cover in 42 was NIL! and the Sea battle was not wanted but they were forced into it and after all was lost at sea the dutch gave up on land without a fight! the whole thing was a fiasco from start to finish

[@evelknivelcantelever]

@tommyk1214 i got to say you are the only who understands here

[@Phosfert]

@IustitiaPax !! Its stupid argument again!! Yes some of Indo heroes were educated in Dutch but it was not from Dutch money....it was from Indo's own money. How much money Dutch spent for its politic of devide et impera as if Imperialist provided FREE EDUCATION?. Can you compare with when Dutch seized Indo's wealthy and right for over 350 years?? The Dutch were mostly good because Dutch was aware that Indo's unity & strugle had started powerful to fight. Nationalism of Indo emerged In 1900s.

[@ekonugrohopurba]

@IustitiaPax So you don't condemn the idea of Dutch colonialism of occupation of ALL OF INDONESIA, as your first premise? Indonesian ppl are brothers & sister from the same root... we never went to other continent to invade other country like the Dutch did. In 1948 way beyond 1910, Dutch soldier killed Indonesian ppl... is that education? Anyway, how bout Suriname, did the Dutch make the country better than Indonesia? can it beat Brit as they make Singapore better?

[@maraginda]

wow, the hatred.... but I still wish Pemkot Jakarta rebuild the old town like Kota and preserve old colonial building. And they need to start the mass transit subway, ASAP.

[@IustitiaPax]

@Phosfert You do not even realize, that only US neo-colonialism, the Cold War, and the corruption of some Dutch leaders with Indonesian heroin and cocaine traders and drugs traffickers enabled Indonesian independence in 1949? It was only that. The majority of the subjects desired to return to autonomy under DUTCH RULE, not under Javanese Muslim dictators.

[@ACertainJustice]

the Dutch obviously forgot to give you an education as well. *betrayed. *we fought *country *get? Nothing.

[@IustitiaPax]

@ruchimat71 We have lots of Indo mixed Indonesian-Dutch marriages and families in the Netherlands. Many of such families. They do not support extrem Indonesian nationalism of Sukarno and Suharto though, nor do they advocate Javanese colonization of innocent West Papua, which desires to become a state within the Kingdom of the Netherlands. Even today, after 48 years of Javanese oppression!

[@ekonugrohopurba]

@IustitiaPax Come on... it's 2010 and you still believe in colonialism??? don't you read Havelaar book in your school? don't you know fair trade movement in Netherlands? the fact is: 350 years Dutch colonialism can't give Indonesia poverty, don't you aware that Canal, streets, trams in Netherlands, built with the money taken from Indonesian commodity without fairly paid? what is it that Netherlands gave Indonesia except corruption culture & feudalism? the colonialism responsible to the colonized

[@rochelimit55555]

@IustitiaPax whatever you said my friend, I'm studying international law in Leiden, I know what I'm talking about

[@Phosfert]

@IustitiaPax / Yes if Indonesia have remained part of the Kingdom, Indonesia would be rich today, like Suriname?????????????? You told a lie guy.......kakakakakkkk.... You have to know when Dutch invaded our land, most of our ancestors wore out of odds and ends, ate carcass, in hunger and torpid. If you were a teacher of Indonesia-Dutch past history, people would convulse with laughter!! You have to know that all Dutch rules have been eliminated in our country since they are harm for us today.

[@IustitiaPax]

@ruchimat71 I do not "hate" Sukarno, but I condemn his breaking of vows, his Indonesian nationalist extremism and his refusal of a Confederation status for Indonesia within the kingdom of the Netherlands. It was just supported by the USA, who wanted Indonesian oil and Sukarno's support. As for "discrimination': this story of your grandmother is exaggerated, because most Dutch-Indo population were entirely racially mixed with Inlanders and Belanda. I think your grandmother spoke an allegory.

[@Phosfert]

@IustitiaPax / Let's compare how many victims between colonials and indonesians!. Christian regions? Who? How many? Don't bring regions when talking Nationalism and Freedom of Indonesia! I know you are christian, but I just remind you that all of Indonsians having variety of regions, norm, culture, language and ethnic groups have lived in mutual life and peace since Majapahit era! When Dutch invaded and robbed us, all well orders were destroyed! haven't you seen how colonialism brutality?

[@indogrenade]

before that happens holland will sink and seek help from us indonesian

[@IustitiaPax]

The colonial history, if it had endured, would have meant a far better development of education and industry in Indonesia. No poverty would exist today in Indonesia, if it had been still the Dutch East Indies. As for colonialism: the occupation of the Moluks (islands) and of New Guinea (Papua) by the Javanese Indonesian nationalists is colonialist too, and they persecute the natives there. Many Papua and Moluk people want to return to Dutch rule, even after 60+ years.

[@IustitiaPax]

@Phosfert I said that the Christian regions in Celebes all desire Dutch economic ties and colonial rule. I know of KNIL military excesses and reprisals for the Indonesian nationalist partisan warfare too. I know, I know. I regret these incidents. It was not intended murder though. Did you count the Dutch and Indo babies and children massacred by Indonesian nationalists?

[@IustitiaPax]

@myatus I understand what you were saying, but this class justice was not racism. Indo Dutch and the Indonesian radja elites could swim with the Dutch always. It was a class society, but by 1900s, this was being curtailed. Ever more, social development was promoted. Indonesian nationalism prevented enacting this policy. And is US neo-colonialism without any social responsibility so much better? Decolonization was an American toy too, for their bigger companies.

[@XMasterDragon]

The Dutch could of easily moved all of The natives into reservations, fence in a large portion of The territory then colonize and convert a small portion of natives while colonizing and fortifying key regions with The colonial government and key utility buildings.

[@matthijs91002]

I'm Dutch, and this definetely is not our finest hour...

[@IustitiaPax]

@Phosfert The Indonesian atrocity propaganda against Col. Raymond Westerling is mostly invented propaganda. Sukarno hated Westerling because Westerling supported Maluku and Papua and Timor and Bali independence/autonomy. You only know these stories from Indonesian newspapers. You do not know witnesses like I do from Batavia and Soekaboemi.

[@vsovereign3]

This is not colonial dutch east indies....this is like a family video of the last governor-general!

[@Surfleo77]

'The house/place seems a lot in order/nicer'.,like in Europe.

[@IustitiaPax]

@ruchimat71 I would like a proof of that alleged racial discrimination. All Indos I know were from wealthy families, and surely not going to beaches with dogs swimming there.

[@fisadhitya]

Excuse me?, we need you?, its kinda the reseverse i think!, its you who need us!, why the hell do you came at the first place?, i could go on and on about that, but ill be wasting time, cost you money?, for what?, for enslaving the people?, making sure they abide by you?, stay as we are?, whats wrong with us now?, remember we are under your rule for 300 years, it is normal that progress could not be achieved in short time, but at least we are taking hold of our own lives and destiny...

[@GSxcsubroto]

jangan manas-manasin om..mendingan kita concern ama lingkungan yang mulai punah ini,,kita berdoa semoga peperangan dan penjajahan tidak terjadi,,yang ada hanya perdamaian abadi(peacefullness),.nyaman(comfort)dan lingkungan milik kita bersama..

[@IustitiaPax]

@rochelimit55555 The lack of a good relationship is because Indonesia occupies the Malaku islands, West Papua, Floris, Timor and North Celebes, all regions rejecting Indonesian nationalism. The problem is Indonesian nationalism. And of course the Moluk exile government in the Netherlands. I like Indonesia though. But I think Indonesians should invite Dutchmen again: we can build your country again. Without paternalism of the 19th century.

[@mirror303ify]

Please, all indonesian people commenting here, be aware that almost everybody in holland today knows that our colonial history is terrible, and people feel ashamed about it. Holland today is not the same as the Holland that colonized.

[@Phosfert]

@Wallekot12 , I agree with you when Rawagede, Kerawang, Bekasi people were decimated by Dutch in 9 Dec 1947 when Indo's barrack of struggle was led by Markus Kustario (Christian Hero!!) . This disnonor tragedy made by imperialist was admitted by Dutch Parliament when they visited Indos & met with victims and realitves at Hotel Mariot Jakarta in Nov 19, 2008. Parliament opologized in that case. It will be a pitty case when any Dutchmen are not ashamed and don't opoligize like @IustitiaPax did!!

[@IustitiaPax]

@rochelimit55555 Eduard Douwes Dekker (Multatuli) and his work are a complaint against regular Freemasonry in the Dutch East Indies, while Dekker himself inclined to atheist-irregular Freemasonry. Also, Multatuli sympathized with Marxism and as such had to see problems and make responsibles for them, without realizing the bigger context or the alternatives. The current poverty of Indonesia proves that the 1920s Dutch development of the East Indies was the only way for true human emancipation.

[@fisadhitya]

I seemed to remember that there is a plaque, in a colonial period building in central jakarta, that said, no entry for natives, dogs and other animals, is this what you call prosperity?, good order?, its all a facade, what is really happening is much more dangerous that what we can see....

[@Surfleo77]

'interesting.

[@barthoedemaker]

@HindiaBelanda Yeah

[@youcancallmelotti]

you kidding me, right? you dont know how the 98 chinese problem happened? everyone know who to blame, the chinese was always a part of Indonesian history, it was erased in every journal at the time of Soeharto. There was NO SUCH THING as "chinese problem" before the time of Soeharto. GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT AND STOP HATING.

[@IustitiaPax]

@Phosfert If Indonesia had remained part of the Kingdom, Indonesia would today be rich. Instead, you imported neo-colonialism from the USA's companies, who plundered your oil and wealth under Sukarno. The social policy of the Dutch government in 1930 and 1946 was far better than any of the 60 years of Indonesian nationalist regimes. You may ignore it, but poverty is still rampant, and famines are more common than at anytime under glorious Dutch rule. I am sorry for you that truth hurts.

[@tommyk1214]

@Phosfert furthermore, The Dutch never ruled Indonesia directly. The REAL people abusing the populace and the people who actually OWNED the indonesian people(as slaves) were the Indonesian nobles. THEY made the people work and SOLD all the produce to the Dutch. This status-quo remains to this day(nowadays people call it corruption). Maybe you would like to compare some colonies that did maintain close ties with their European colonizers and see how they are doing economically nowadays(Singapore)

[@dzwager]

@kodokbuduk01 The following were also colonized by the Brits: India, Pakistan, Nigeria, Zimbabwe, Papua New Guinea, Sri Lanka, etc. Not exactly examples of good governance.

[@sikumeta5368]

indonesia fredome!!!!!!!

[@jeffry2714]

please.. do not separated all indon province..!! we r nation.. we r republic.. i will first one to give my life.. if any one disturb my coutry.. i warning u.. -make my country like heaven please- so peace ok..

[@wdigoenaz]

@IustitiaPax im so agree with u,...b,cause i have same opinion

[@IustitiaPax]

@Phosfert Nonsense. Rubbing down? The radyas, Indo elite and businessmen profited far more from the Dutch East Indies than any of my ancestors, Dutch farmers inside Europe. And still, Sukarno studied at continental Dutch universities. You also forget the educational institutions brought to the Dutch East Indies by the Dutch Roman Catholic Church's charity institutions, and you forget the Dutch infrastructure and state education for Inlander youth. Did Saudis or Americans ever finance you? NO!

[@IustitiaPax]

@ekonugrohopurba I condemn Indonesian colonialism of the occupation of West Papua, the Moluk islands, Celebes, Borneo and Flores and Timor. Dutch colonialism had long since 1910 stopped meaning exploitation. It was shifting towards education of Indonesians etc. Who paid for Sukarno and Hatta university education? Exactly, the Dutch state. But Muslim Indonesian nationalists created an uprising with support of Japanese colonial invaders. Betraying 350 years of Dutch East Indies history!

[@retsiembrU]

Thanks heaven its 2009

[@Zovlanov]

we!, gw tau yg comment disini smw org indon kan? udah ngaku aj! sampe skarang indonesia slalu dicucuk hidungnya ama amerika dll, dihadapan malaysia pun bak kambing mo pipis! sape disini yang stuju kudeta pemerintahan skarang! ntar gw bikin grup di fb orang2 indon yg mendukung keteraturan "BELANDA"! cuman 2 opsi yang bisa bikin indonesia bangkit: kudeta ato "welkomm nederlands"!

[@channelislamkaffah7139]

aya arsip nu berwarna tapi euweuh soraan..''

[@Phosfert]

@Wallekot12 / Yes, Indonesia have never whined and asked for compensation!

[@fisadhitya]

well, obviously next time you have to be careful in choosing your words, since this is an international forum, be mindful of someone else's feeling, they are from different culture!, for us independence is sacred, that is why im so pissed you said those things before, but since now you have shown goodwill, ok, thats allright by me....

[@IustitiaPax]

@myatus Sorry, but you only judge the colonial past by its negative eras and sides. Of course, I know there was violence and the Aceh Wars under Van Heutsz etc., but the harmony from 1900-1941 was there. So were Dutch schools for all natives. Sukarno studied at the cost of Dutch tax payers. And the cultivation of land in the Indies also benefitted all natives. The expulsion of the Dutch was a crime against humanity. Sukarno broke all promises. Taqqiyah?

[@drylaundry]

OKAY OKAY...I think,,, instead of yelling " we are muslim, let's make everyone muslim " why not, get all Indonesians together any religion, let ANYBODY from any religion have their say and actually FIND A BETTER WAY TO RUN THE COUNTRY..make it looks better, and works better etc

[@xNinoJP]

I am Moluccan and you Dutch people have betraid my grandparents NSBERS we have fighted for your countrey and what did we GET NOTHING

[@effendiabdulgani5767]

Nampaknya belanda belum puas menjajah sampai kekayaan bumi habis ratas

[@MrLowrevia]

the javanese are colonisers themselves,we handed indonesia over on asilver platter to them,and by the way,we did alot of good things there too,it is a two sided story

[@Zovlanov]

why me?, I did nothing... o.O

[@voncobain]

seriously, indonesian would be much better under dutch rules and dutch style gov. instead of the mess that we got so far. now all indo would rather the country look like netherland instead of it's present state.

[@IustitiaPax]

@Phosfert The Dutch cultivated your lands. This is a fact. Investments were also for the native population. Today, Indonesia is poor. Your radical Indonesian nationalist propaganda does not convince me at all. Facts speak louder than words. Hartelijke groet.

[@IustitiaPax]

@Phosfert You believe Muslim Indonesian nationalist myths. Papua, Maluku etc. all like the Dutch, because the Dutch traded with them and granted autonomy and worthy education. Mohammed Hatta and Sukarno and Suharto were ALL educated in the Netherlands at universities paid with Dutch tax payers' money. They were on sponsorships. Sadly, they became infected with Hegelian philosophy and Nationalism (a modern consequence after 1789/1848). The Dutch were mostly good to Indos since 1900!

[@jizzinpants100]

if india was thtt great back then why did they didnt force the dutch to go away, because they had nothing and the local indian officers helped the dutch people to conquer it nice going india.

[@fisadhitya]

Hmm, its mostly bad im affraid, and its YOUR COUNTRYMEN FIRST who initiate the whole thing... Sure, im in sheffield, UK, PM me anytime you wanna come. Who is this pinda?, im an Indonesian not this "pinda" Oh cmon, that happened a long time ago, we have move forward since then, from were do you got your sources?, obviously you are not updated, i suggest you update to Indonesia V.2009.....

[@tommyk1214]

@Phosfert It seems to me that you don't know anything about history or law at all. All the comments you made to this video show that you know nothing about Indonesian history. This is probably because you were educated in Indonesia. Don't believe anything written in Indonesian historybooks, most of it is propaganda. Also, Suriname is poor BECAUSE it is no longer a colony. All the educated people (and their money) fled the country after independence.

[@stereophonics69]

dutch !!!

[@Davidkiser13]

I loooove black people and I believe in Islam but practice Judaism

[@fisadhitya]

Nobody is crying, and perhaps if you ask Indonesians today they would be less care of what happened a long time ago, the problem is, as i said, many of your countrymen felt that we kept blaiming them for our miseries, which is NOT btw, and these irresponsible behaviour triggered us to defend our interest!, WOw?, i just found out a Canadian could sold Indonesia to Japan, name your price!

[@tommyk1214]

@Phosfert Yes, of course, the worlds scientific community is wrong about everything and the Indonesian nationalist narrative is the way things happened/are. If you don't want to differentiate between the cultuurstelsel and the ethische politiek era's then yes, Dutch colonialism was evil. And Suriname actually has a GDP per capita twice as high as Indonesia's GDP, not bad for a country with LESS than half a million inhabitants. Indonesia is still poor, with high income inequality. We are just sad

[@IustitiaPax]

@Phosfert Papua, Maluku, Borneo, Celebes all want to become part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands as a colony like Curaçao island in the Caribbean. Only Islamic nationalists want centralist Indonesia. Only Javanese and Sumatran Muslim nationalists, murderers of innocent Dutch women and children in 1945 and 1946. Indonesia would be as rich as Singapur, if it were still a Dutch colony. Now you suffer from American neo-colonialism. Thank Sukarno for your poverty, not Holland! Leve de Koningin!

[@Zovlanov]

@malingsia au ah gelap.... :-)

[@fisadhitya]

And you are?, You are not dutch, not Indonesians, not papuans, not atjeh,and NOT Japan as well, hahahahaha, who the heck are you selling this and that?, keep on dreaming.......

[@xman4un]

and all you have to show for your grandparent's sacrifice is a angry heart and mind cluttered with negativities...too bad. such a shame, you should have been born a camel and not a human being then.

[@IustitiaPax]

@rochelimit55555 You live in a phantasy world. Indonesia is very poor, impoverished and still receives billions in aid from the Dutch government yearly. Dutch people start development projects for poor children etc. etc. You live in a world of lies of your own. The Netherlands governed the Dutch East Indies ("Indonesia" is a modern term), but never "occupied" it. (Although it did occupy Aceh Region.) Many non-Muslim minorities and majority in Indonesia want the Dutch to return, even in 2010!