How Math Statistician Wins at Craps

[@ColorUp]

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[@ErnieMayberry]

Interesting, but I don't see the point of turning off the 6/8 if you win at the first level. You just immediately start over at the first level, i.e., leave them on until you lose to big red. Then progress up. As soon as you when at a higher level, immediately regress to the first level and have them on. Stay there as long as you win. Rinse and repeat. You are then positioned to cash in on strings of 6 or 8s, which we all have seen multiple times. The dice have no memory so the next roll you still have a 10:6 advantage. You may find yourself hitting your win goal sometimes without even risking the higher level bets.

[@ColorUp]

I agree

[@keithhostetler8600]

I tested the theory on this video and if you follow the rule of only going to $90 on each and stopping if you lose, then you will end up losing $88 at roll 18. However, if you allow it to go up one more level, which I am calling $270 each since it seems to be tripling, you will hit that level twice within the span of the video and will come out up $310

[@highsnburgers4862]

This is classic; "You are then positioned to cash in on strings of 6 or 8s, which we all have seen multiple times. The dice have no memory so the next roll you still have a 10:6 advantage." LOL So the dice don't require a memory in order to repeat like they do have one.🤔

[@CaponeCraps]

Agreed, you'd be better moving them to Don'ts than leaving them off.. I'd like to put $1,000 on the 10, but leave it off please... Sir, that's not a bet....

[@iamsobob7745]

I go to the casino with my buddy every other week or so and I literally watched him roll 4 straight 7s just 2 weeks ago. It will happen. Strats like this make it sound “implausible“ but it will always happen…

[@MarkKendrickATX]

Per Chat GPT. “The probability of rolling 4 7's in craps before rolling a single 4 or 10 can be calculated using the branching method described above. After calculating all possible outcomes for the first three rolls, we can see that the probability of rolling 4 7's before rolling a single 4 or 10 is approximately 0.072%, or 1 in 1,386. Therefore, the likelihood of rolling 4 7's in craps before rolling a single 4 or 10 is approximately 0.072%, or 1 in 1,386, expressed as a percentage.”

[@knuteboy3778]

This is a nice and fairly safe strategy. Only problem with strats like this though, is you need the patience of a saint. It is so hard to stand by and watch a monster roll go by and not participate. A little piece of you dies each time the dice keep going. lol! Another problem is when (not if) the system fails, you then need five winning sessions (assuming a 20% win goal) to claw back to even again. It's such a drag.

[@ColorUp]

All true

[@clueless9245]

Makes you wonder how so many people willimgly give up tons of money at the chance (slight as it may be) to win tons of money. I even broke down and played Craps. In the end, lost every penny (thankfully about $350). Next time, I have experience, so I can walk away / regress / etc. Mostly, if I have a dealer talking with the guy next to me, halt play or go to other end of the table. I am legally blind and would be nice to know how much money I had put on numbers since I cannot see that far.

[@williamwesley6547]

Thanks! I appreciate you posting my system. My idiosyncrasy to this is even though I know sometimes four 7's will be rolled before a 6 or 8, I'm betting it won't happen right when I walk up to the table. After I win, I'll walk away and come back later and go again............so far so good!!

[@ColorUp]

Yes, like you mentioned. If you can can get 5 scores of $50, you are basically free rolling and if and when those four 7's show up, it won't hurt. I like it. Thanks for submitting. I did alter it after I started rolling, and not waiting for 7-out and starting even if point was hit just for sake of video. But even with only three 7's to avoid, it worked out!

[@peterryan4775]

@William Wesley and @Color Up: Just curious on your take about going back ON after a point hit, as the video shows. William do you wait until the next shooter, i.e. big red shows up before going back on, or do you go back on after the shooter hits the point? Just curious how you play it

[@smaugthewyrm]

Same question. After point or wait until 7? Also calculate more levels please. $100 chips.

[@ColorUp]

@@smaugthewyrm he submitted it to me saying to wait for a 7 out. When I adapted, it basically changed it from 4 sevens before 6/8 to three. But you can play it as you like

[@drdontpassone8164]

ww u a dge guy??

[@shibity]

Basically martingale on a 62.5% coin flip. You'd expect to see a loser appear about 1/50 times in any 4-game subset, a loser being four 7s before a 6 or 8.

[@JoshuaZachariahCross]

I recommend a modification...bankroll of $804. Leave $12 on 6/8 and leave it working always. If 6/8 hit twice before losing then replace with $12, if you do not get at least two hits from 6/8 at the $12 then begin to progress up to $30, $90, $270. If any of those hit then drop back down to $12 on 6/8 and start over. Two hits and you simply replace...less than two hits before the 7 then begin to progress up.

[@jamesjennings8574]

An alternative to this is to always leave the bets working and only increase when you don't make back at least what you put on the table. This way you're not missing out on action on the table and left to pick your nose while players around you collect on that monster roll. However, the increases you propose make perfect mathematical sense-- I totally see this as a mathematician strategy. The flaw to it his strategy that each individual roll is an independent event, so turning them off mid-run is a fool's game.

[@midmoyo5837]

It's a grind,,,but if your good with a slow grind,, this is a good one. Thanks for posting this.

[@ColorUp]

You bet

[@patrickmcevoy5080]

I think if I were only interested in a low-risk strategy to make a little pocket money, this might be the one to try. As you showed, though, it has the risk of being VERY tedious.

[@pwade4061]

I would strongly advise against any martingale strategy because of the potential risk to go bust but to each their own. Just go to a bubble craps machine and test this if you’re really curious. I’ve routinely seen four 7s show up before a 6 or 8

[@ColorUp]

This has got to be one of cheapest martingale I’ve seen at 250$ so not end of world to go bust

[@williamwesley6547]

I totally agree.........If you stay at a table long enough for sure there will be times four 7's will come up before hitting a 6 or 8.That's why I only play until I win $50........short & sweet. I usually do this at a bubble craps machine...............much easier to sit down and play for a short time, then take my 50 bucks and walk away.

[@greathoundAZ]

This, like a lot of other strategies, plays in to the gambler's fallacy. Thanks for the great video, and thanks for sharing.

[@ColorUp]

You bet

[@damianchenot2667]

I don't understand why the bets are only on for come out rolls. I would be interested in seeing this martingale system with bets working throughout the rolls.

[@ray6976]

Yes. Me too!

[@markadkins9290]

I think all call it The Fast Fifty . Can't wait to check out your poker channel!

[@stown308]

I would just tweak it to start at 30 each 90 next 270 last. $780 at risk. At first level keep them working until big red comes. If you hit a few before you're up $100+ right away. At first level I would power press after 2 hits $70 collected $60 invested and collect/press every other hit or jump down to $64 across up $6. At second level your winning $45 then jumping back down to first level. At 3rd level your winning $75 then jumping back down to first level. The key is to stay hitting at that first level as long as you can. More to risk but this way you could aim for $400 profit and expect it to work out I'd say about 7 out of ten sessions. 7x400-2,800 win 3x780-2,340 loss. +$460 every 10 sessions. Safe.

[@laurencek.1580]

Thanks. Was always interested in 6 & 8 ‘s vs the Pass/Don’t Pass lines. Martingale can also substituted with Fibonacci sequenced ratios.

[@lpc1231000]

I prefer regression strategies, such as 220 inside, regress to 110, then to 66. If you get 2 hits at 66, slowly start building back up, alternating collect and press.

[@edwinaguilar9652]

As long as you can roll a 6 or 8 before 4 sevens sounds pretty good. But I think you need to roll either a 6 or 8 before 3 sevens not 4, HUGE difference is it?

[@1gmittman]

Agree. I played it on my phone game and lost everything three of four times. It is not 4 sevens.

[@JimBarryYo]

Doesn’t this lose with three 7s before 6/8, not four? (Lose at 12, lose at 30, lose at 90, done)

[@kdub3890]

I think the idea is to always start just after a 7 was rolled. That's being counted as the first 7. But you're right, it's just three 7s. You're betting on the probability of a series of _future_ events, the past 7 doesn't have any bearing on the dice.

[@jermainepearson6835]

Yesterday at the craps table I Ruled seven four times in a row on the come out roll he would have lost his system, as did a guy who walked up and place $100 three times in the field

[@ColorUp]

Sure, it will happen. There is no fool proof strategy

[@ebojfmdboojoh4023]

It's all luck at the end of the day. I am from the UK and I went to the table and bet £2 on 12 once at an online Casino. I parlayed it and it hit again and i walked away with £1800. It actually rolled a third time. Unfortunately the maximum bet was £100 so I couldn't have parlayed it but I could have bet it again for £100.

[@happyrefund]

This is a great way to sit at the table all day

[@wyets]

seems like a martingdale systems for craps. why r we talking about the probability of rolling (4) 7s before 6 or 8 its just (3) 7's before a 6 or 8 ..my understand is the likelihood is just over 5%

[@jimmyjack5019]

I found my best martingale system with the 6&8 is that you give yourself 5 levels of play starting at $6.00 each on the 1st level, then triple up on the next 4 levels if you have to. Example: 6..18..54..162..486 each. So you're looking for at least one 6 or 8 before you see five 7's come up. As soon as you get a 6 or 8, you go back to the 1st level. The total investment would be $1452.00. Since there are no more $5.00 minimum tables around, look for any bubble machines. The good news is that you can use the same system on the 5&9 or even the 4&10 for a smaller investment and larger profit from each level. Hey, it's possible that five 7's could come up, but not very probable.

[@420]

Bubble machines?

[@christophersandquist1092]

just saw 6 7s on a comeout the other day. But that is very very rare

[@jimmyjack5019]

@@420 Automatic crap machines. If you have never seen them, well keep looking. They're out there. They're on these youtube videos.

[@hardattackdj]

I’ve thought about doing a Martingale on the 6&8. This seems a little too slow for me.

[@ebojfmdboojoh4023]

Why not just parlay either the 6 or 8 after a win.

[@tamlornlyon1059]

pulled up crapsee rolled 3 frontline winners for -264... cant happen again right?

[@emmanuelvacakis4463]

This is similar to martingale. This is a losing strategy. Your rate of loss is the amount you bet times the house edge no matter what betting strategy you use. The house edge on placing 6 and 8 is 1.52% all the time. And it doesn’t matter whether you do this on the come out roll or any other roll. The result will be exactly the same.

[@MarkKendrickATX]

Adapted for 3 7’s via chat gpt “If you want to calculate the likelihood of rolling 3 7's in craps before rolling a single 4 or 10, the probability can be calculated using the same branching method described earlier. After calculating all possible outcomes for the first three rolls, we can see that the probability of rolling 3 7's before rolling a single 4 or 10 is approximately 0.407%, or 1 in 245. Therefore, the likelihood of rolling 3 7's in craps before rolling a single 4 or 10 is approximately 0.407%, or 1 in 245, expressed as a percentage”

[@nathangrandmasterk9760]

Good video. I will say that I have played this system, but didn't stop at $50. The reason he has likely had so much success is because he stops at $50. I will tell you it does eventually fail after doing it about 10 times. The reason for this is in a real casino, when the dice change hands sometimes you get a couple of 7s first. Then you can get a point, but 7 out a roll or 2 later. I recommend not playing on the come out roll unless it is a 7. If it's a 7, then start it working the rest of the way.

[@DozenDeuce]

This is a 1-hit/takedown strategy w/Martingale. The point of turning off the 6/8 is to make life easier on the dealer (so they don’t have to put up & take down the same bet every time there’s a new shooter). You can win because each individual shooter is 66% more likely to hit a 6/8 before they hit a 7. You can lose because you hit the 6 OR the 8 but you lose the 6 AND the 8. I hate Martingales so I would just have $24 for 10 shooters, $240 total. Practice cashing out after 10 shooters (usually 45 mins - 1.5 hours) so, win or lose, you always walk away with $$

[@jerronnecoleman1255]

@colorup I’m curious to ask upon this method being played. While 6/8 is off during the point sequence, Can you still play the “Don’t Pass Bar”/“Don’t Come Bar” to have some type of income during the process? Maybe I’m asking if your “Bet” is OFF on the “6/8” can you still participate to the table? Because from this video a lot of money is being missed out especially on the side bets (horn/hops) 😢

[@ColorUp]

When puck is off, you certainly can play pass or don’t pass if you like. You can also ask the dealers to turn your place bets on and have them working while the puck is still off. As far as horn/hops, you can make those bets at any time

[@megasmidge2911]

I ran this on Crapsee a bunch of times. I hit the 7 three times in a row more than you would expect.

[@ColorUp]

I expect that sometimes it would happen often. It’s dice. If it were easy, than strategies would work.

[@megasmidge2911]

@@ColorUp for sure. Loving all the videos! Keep it up.

[@wesmcclaskie3442]

Good looking strategy I was just wondering if you go up to the $90 level when you win there do you go down to the $30 level or start completely over at the first level

[@vgmc22]

when you win the $90 bet, you have a profit of $21. you restart back to $12

[@chriswiseman5985]

Might as well play 4-4-4 from the professor and get 4 to 1 odds on every role with money across versus only 5-3 with just the 6 and 8 covered. 4 reds will come BEFORE you hit on 5-3 odds faster than 4 to 1 odds. All comes down to bankroll and what you can risk to shave those edges.

[@Scott.Mariani]

Ok, I am a little embarrassed to ask but I do not know, and I cant find the answer online, do working Place Bets lose on a Come Out 11 or only on a Come Out 7?

[@ColorUp]

They will only lose to a 7.

[@Brian6fz4c]

Only the 7

[@smaugthewyrm]

You did a strategy video based on a traveling craps player. He would put down 500 and something else. Only a couple chips. I cannot remember the name of the video though. Can you help with the link please

[@ColorUp]

hmm, sorry, i don't remember that one

[@JJ_Neptune]

I seem to recall Greg from 555 Craps had a similar 6 or 8 Before 7 strategy. I wish he’d chime in here.

[@ColorUp]

🤷🏽‍♂️

[@chrislansaw9491]

Awesome strategy, but how do you do this on a $15 table? You started with 1 unit, then 3, and then 9 units. What if you did the same but with instead of $10 dollars being the unit you use $15 as the unit? Does it work? Of course you have to have a bigger starting amount

[@ColorUp]

Just increase each level by $5, or in this case $6 for the 6/8 so instead of $12 use $18, instead of $30 use $36, instead of $90 use $96

[@chrislansaw9491]

@@ColorUp I tested this strategy but modified it a little. I was not using a large bank roll as I was just testing this strategy. I Was thinking like Ernest Mayberry in the comments (he likes collecting on the 6 and 8 until big red hits the first time and then using the strategy) . I was on an electronic table so I used $5 as my unit. From the strategy in the video I understood the creator of the strategy upping the wager from 1 unit, to 3 units and then to 9 units if they hit big red before they hit 6 or 8 (you did $10, then $30, then $90). I put $5 on the 6 and 8. I let this ride and collected on the 6&8 until I hit big red. Then I put $15 on the 6 & 8 ($15 is 3 times my single unit of $5) . If I hit either the 6 or 8 I then took my bet down to $5. If big red came before I hit the 6 or 8 then I went up to $45 on the 6 or 8 ( 9 times my $5 single unit). If I hit the 6 or 8 I collected and went down to $5. If big red hit a 3rd time before I got the 6 or 8 then I started the process over. When I played this at the local Casino in Tampa, big red hit 4 out of the first 6 roles. Worst case scenario. I kept playing using the modified strategy I described here and about an hour later I was profitable. I think this strategy is pretty good just remember whatever you use as your unit, use 1 unit, 3 units, and 9 units as you hit Big Red. I plan on testing this strategy again here in the near future in Tampa and in February out in Vegas while I am there. I call this modified strategy "My 139" to remember the units to use. Yes you are grinding it out but if you like to be at the Craps table and control your loses while enjoying the excitement of the game and getting a few free beverages it is a good strategy.

[@Shooter11B]

The poker journey is going to be cool. On this strategy, I would be so bored that I would never use it. I am thinking that the payout is generally pointless and not worth the time it would take. A modified version with all numbers would be better IMHO.

[@scotchguru]

Question....you have to avoid the 7 three times correct? #24 dollars at risk...7 out.....$60 at risk....7 out...$180 at risk..7 out..= loss of $264.

[@ColorUp]

Correct, the 1st seven is when you start. The next three 7s will lose the bankroll. I was adapting and rolling after a point hit instead of waiting for a seven.

[@scotchguru]

@@ColorUp thank you for the clarification.

[@MetaGuideMedia]

Been playing at home tried so many strategies you have on your channel all I seem to do is lose. Starting to think craps isn't my game.

[@bossmaster4001]

It’s almost like the casinos have an advantage to take all our money. He has a video on the slow roller strategy from Crappy The Craps Man. That one is my favorite, and is easy for me as a beginner to keep up with. That strategy would have won $120 with these rolls.

[@MetaGuideMedia]

@@bossmaster4001 yeah I think I have worse luck than most people all i roll is 7 and craps numbers. I have had better luck increasing my bet on craps numbers till I hit them. But you need a large bank roll to do that.

[@andy6302]

Play the don't pass

[@stown308]

@@andy6302 yes with max odds.

[@scrim67]

You will ALWAYS lose in the long term no matter how you play

[@solorollerdi6719]

Appears to be a decent, low risk, "time killer" strategy as you wait for you're turn to toss the dice. I avoid leaving my bets out too long on random shooters. I think this strategy has some potential.

[@nmorgan350z]

How is it 4 7's... 15-30-90... did we skip a stage?..

[@ColorUp]

Yes., supposed to wait for 7 out before starting. I didn’t in demonstration only the explanation. I was starting even when point was over

[@nmorgan350z]

@@ColorUp Oh I see its counting the 7 before the next roll starts. Carry on :).

[@drtomasdds]

If you have your beds working during the come out, aren’t you at risk for losing to 7 and 11?

[@ColorUp]

They would lose with a roll of 7 yes

[@extraholes]

I think this is great if you are playing stadium craps and looking for drinks at the same time

[@angelquiles2157]

If you were playing on a $15 table, would you start at $18 on the 6/8 or start at the $30 level?

[@ColorUp]

Id say whichever you were more comfortable with

[@MWLS1]

I’ve seen people kicked off of busy tables for playing this way. Playing the pass and don’t pass with Max odds is statistically better.

[@ColorUp]

And the dont pass with max lay odds is statistically better than pass. Doesn’t really matter how you play, the dice have to roll in your favor. Especially during covid times, they didn’t allow slow play like this taking up limited spots

[@mitcher420]

I love Craps and I love Math, so yea buddy!

[@whermanntx]

5.3% chance of 3 sevens before a 6 or 8. Would you wager 264$ for a 95% chance to get 15$. Unless I'm off somewhere, that's a slight lead in where $13.20 is an even payoff.

[@jmas1070]

So if you were to really play this in a Casino I have 2 questions. 1. Any difference between turning your bets off and pulling them down? Will the dealers prefer one or the other? 2. Will the dealers,casino, or other players care about you occupying a spot but playing this little?

[@craigfreeburg5910]

The first thing that comes to mind is you better tip well. I can't imagine playing this way at a table. Turning bets off and on all the time, regressing bets back down, etc etc. All for the same winnings of just placing the numbers and following the puck. I would feel like a jerk the moment I asked him to turn the bets off and stand there waiting for 7. ha

[@ColorUp]

Turning bets off much easier for dealers. If meeting table minimums, your bets are just as valid and worthy of slot as anyone else’s.

[@ColorUp]

feel like a jerk for asking dealers to mark bets off? Nah. Reason they have the markers. And it’s your money at risk, play the way you like.

[@obiwonton369]

Maybe its just me but I see quad 7s beating 6/8 bets in most every session. I play 2-3 sessions for 2-3 hours each week so I see more rolls than the average bear. Reminds me of DGE play against 7 repeaters, martingale to bust. Good thing here is limit the loss to $300.

[@ColorUp]

Yeah, it certainly will lose, if every session as you have seen would not work out well. Loss limit of 250 not the worst thing in world

[@420]

Spend an hour or two this week doing this strategy shown and tell us if you made the $50 without breaking the set bank. No bias and real action.

[@williamwesley6547]

I never play this system if I'm going to be at a table for an extended period of time. Usually I'll play this at a bubble craps machine a number of different times during the evening. I'm betting that for the very short time I'm at the bubble craps table, I won't run into the four 7's. I'm happy to pick up a quick 50 bucks and move on.

[@TribuneAquila]

Played double tap with the goal to collect black chips, bought in at $264 and left with $78.

[@ColorUp]

ugh

[@clueless9245]

So you have the 6&8 working only on the come out rolls? For new shooter?Scratching head thinking.... Are you certain a statistician sent you this strategy? I think this is even more conservative than you play.

[@bradschwartz9166]

what levels would you do at a $15 table?

[@ColorUp]

Just increase by $5, well $6 because you want to always bet in increments of $6 on the 6/8. So $18/$36/$96 would do the trick

[@gscop1683]

Ill try it on bubble craps or roll to win.

[@dlvmark]

cant find color up poker

[@ColorUp]

Color Up Poker: kzbin.info/door/hh6qz-qLStnrE-zp5JI_zw

[@MrZola1234]

Hard to believe a math professional would suggest this type of system. Especially, the way the system counts this strategy as surviving 4 sevens.

[@azkid883]

He was the class clown in math class😂

[@DouglasWelch-no9mo]

The reason it is surviving four 7s before the 6 or 8 is this..after a 7 out.. you bet, then if you hit before 3 more sevens technically you are surviving four 7s.

[@MrZola1234]

@@DouglasWelch-no9mo As a math guy, you understand that craps is an independent trial game. The odds of the 7 remain 1-6 regardless if you wait for three to roll. The concept of surviving a certain amount of 7's while you wait doesn't change your result. If you are comfortable with say losing 4 units to 7, betting the first roll or waiting until 3 7's are rolled will not change your result in the long run.

[@jasongroomes7987]

Another thing to note, this only works with someone else shooting. If you're alone at the table, which would suck, but happens sometimes, I'd make this adjustment. Bet BOTH the Pass and Don't Pass. This covers your come out, except for the 12. Then you push the Don't / lose the Pass. Once the come out is done, the bets cancel each other out. If the table boss won't allow you to bet both, have your wife/friend/whoever play one or the other. I'd play the Don't since you technically don't want the 7 and want the 6 or 8. Have the other person play the Pass. Like I said, if you avoid the 12 on the come out, no loss. I've been playing with this strategy on a simulator, only lost once in about 2 tries. Of course, it could happen sooner. Could also never happen. But this seems like a pretty safe strategy for the overall risk involved.

[@k0unitX]

A lot of tables won't let you do that

[@Adambikesrochester]

If he hasn't busted, he hasn't played this very much. I've played up-as-you-lose on the 6/8 for years and have watched it go 5+ 7s before a 6 or 8 is rolled PLENTY of times. I use a regression, and don't go up quite as fast as this strategy does because I've had my ass handed to me when I've done that. When it works tho, it's great!

[@ColorUp]

All strategies will bust at some point.

[@JimBarryYo]

@@ColorUp Yep, near as I can tell, this strategy wins about 92% of the time. That's pretty good odds in your favor as long as (like you said in the video) you walk away after winning maybe two or three times, tops.

[@Nola_Travel]

Am I losing count? I see the big loss happening on the third seven, not the fourth?

[@ColorUp]

Well as described you start betting after first 7, then lose all after 3 sevens. But I quickly changed and starting betting after point hit instead of waiting for seven out

[@gmoneygaming2319]

Everybody stopped commenting because they didn't want to be on big red..... no thanks needed I got yall.

[@ZachJersey]

This is so low risk that I'm intrigued by it. It seems like a decent bubble craps system that will keep you around long enough to get free drinks. You have to have the patience to watch long rolls go by and adhere to the system though.

[@ColorUp]

Yeah, I’m thinking of adapting and trying on bubble myself. Could just start at couple bucks $

[@scottgunerman]

I’m going to test this in a few days on bubble craps machine. To start, I’m going to try $2 at first level, $5 on second and $15 on third, with a goal of winning $8. Slow and boring I know, but I want to be familiar with the steps before going to 12/30/90. Putting 180 out there on a come out roll, especially on a bubble craps machine, is completely terrifying to me. Stay tuned for updates-

[@RS-gt3fu]

If you just want free drinks, find a Bubble machine that will let you bet one dollar on the pass and one on the don't pass. The only time you will lose is rolling a twelve on the come out and that's just one dollar. I've seen an old timer do that in reno, but some bubble machines won't let you make that bet... boring as hell, but some people will do anything for alcohol...

[@scottgunerman]

@@RS-gt3fu just tried this on a bubble craps, it would not let me bet $1 on the pass & don’t pass

[@k0unitX]

There are surely plenty of tables that won't let you stand there with no action for a majority of rolls, though.

[@DrSurf-fx4gf]

A fun system for us risk adverse type players. Just Saying.

[@highsnburgers4862]

Funny that a math genius would even wait for a new comeout when his bets have zero change in probability. 🤫

[@MurderMostFowl]

The only thing I can think of is that a new come out roll in the original strategy waits for a seven. For simplicity’s sake. He only bets after that. Maybe it’s so he doesn’t have to be sober to play lol

[@ColorUp]

Yeah, its not really a come out roll he is waiting for, but a 7-out. so he is comparing the probability of four 7's showing before a 6 or 8

[@Ice_Trey87]

So why not keep the bets working after you hit the number once? Even if you're collecting at the $12 level, winnings are winnings.

[@ColorUp]

adjust as you see fit, thanks

[@kdub3890]

That assumes they keep hitting. You're laying $24 to win $14. Likely outcomes are: A) Win once and take it down, you're up 14. B) Leave it up and then lose, you're down 10 for the shooter. C) Hit twice before losing, you're only up 4 for the shooter. D) hit three times then lose, you're up 18. Once you leave the bets up, you're committing to hitting 3 times before the 7 just to get back to where you would be if you turned them off after one. 5/3 odds in your favor are only for a _single_ 6 or 8 before a 7. This is a lower risk strategy with a lower, but more likely, reward.

[@Ice_Trey87]

@@kdub3890 thank you for actually answering the question and explaining the math. Very much appreciated. 🙏

[@allenfinch3717]

I see lots of drinking with this strategy lol

[@derSchmetterling08]

I like this strategy but I also like to play longer than 30 min since I don't get to play too often. If I played everyday this would make sense- get in get out. I also know myself I'd get bored waiting for the roll to finish out. 🤣

[@MrLeviaFUN]

Dice have no memory, so what's the use of turning the 6 and 8 off ? Makes no sense to me. Plus we all know how martingale systems usually end up

[@ColorUp]

Like all strats, eventually it loses more than wins. I guess waiting for the 7, resets the count. So 4 sevens before the 6 or 8 rolls. But yes, each roll is independent

[@bobsbig42]

Why not just takem down after first roll

[@classifiedsincebirth]

surprisingly this worked as predicted, slow and steady wins the race

[@UnknownScorpion]

buying the 4 and 10 are better. you don't have to martingale up the bet so much cuz when they hit it's 2x pay just minus the vig.

[@ColorUp]

If the 4/10s roll then sure, they would be better

[@jolit1234]

I start with $12 each on 6 and 8. A 7 rolls. I progress to $30 each on 6 and 8. A 7 rolls. I progress to the final level of $90 each on 6 and 8. A 7 rolls. That’s $264 gone with 7 rolling three times. Where does this mysterious fourth 7 come from? Am I missing something?

[@ColorUp]

Supposed to start the betting after 7 rolls initially. In demonstration I was not waiting, but started betting even if a point was set. Strategy says wait for a 7 first.

[@narrdo]

I was wondering this too. Drove an hour to try this and lost my $264 on the first hand. 😢 At least the casino has a good samich to help was down the pain.

[@jakesmith2461]

I might be wrong, but it seems the 7 only needs to roll 3 times before the 6 or 8 in order to lose, not 4 times? Once at the $12 level, once at the $30 level, and once at the $90 level.

[@ColorUp]

I deviated, and started betting after a point was hit and new come out roll. But he described it as waiting for a 7 -out before betting. So that would be the first 7.

[@henryhiggin3389]

I can't wait...I don't know how to play poker...my game is craps.

[@Keith-yj5vp]

Great way to just play a long time i would say screw taking the 6 and 8 up or down just let dem bones roll

[@zechariahhatten4219]

Tried this and sure enough 4 7s were rolled before a 6/8. However if I would’ve kept them on like you did in the video I would’ve made $50 lol

[@ColorUp]

with dice, you just never know ha

[@Sammmeow]

Should have done 2 players the strategy vs pressing or something and staying on

[@marcgarza7252]

It's Pi....solid thank you

[@toenuff9946]

I’m pretty sure the 4 7s is because you shouldn’t play anything until you see the first 7. If you make the point, you should pull the bet until a 7 comes, and then start. If you do this, then you’re betting that 4 7s won’t come before a 6 or 8. It’s a bit slower, but more statistically sound.

[@ColorUp]

Well if point is hit, a 7 has yet to roll so the count doesn’t really start. Waiting for a 7 doesn’t effect the math. Because once a 7 rolls, the very next roll and every roll after is a 1 in 6 chance. So as long as a 7 hasn’t rolled, it doesn’t mathematically matter when you start. By waiting for the 7, to “get it out of the way” doesn’t change odds any.

[@toenuff9946]

@@ColorUp I’m not saying the odds change per roll. I just see this system as betting against the statistical likelihood that 4 7s will roll before a 6 and an 8. By that reasoning, you must wait for the first 7. Otherwise, you’re betting against 3 7s before a 6/8 which happens more frequently.

[@ColorUp]

Right, I explained it properly, I just do diviated for sake of video. So we all were not sitting there watching nothing. It worked out ok

[@toenuff9946]

Was just getting confused. Regardless, interesting strat and combos nice with that ricochet system I saw you do a video for as that one is waiting for a 7 so as soon as you get the 6/7, you can switch to it instead of waiting for a reset. Great stuff! Thanks!

[@richardbateman5344]

You never turned the bets off several times on the comeout roll so you took a few losses to this system you never should have taken. Unless I missed something the 6&8 where supposed to be off on all comeout rolls I saw at least twice you forgot to turn off the 6&8 forcing an increase in the bet unnecessarily..

[@stephenbeecher7545]

I would not have the patience for this.

[@ColorUp]

Fair point

[@clueless9245]

I apologize if I overanalyze to the point of confusing myself. You state rolling 6 or 8 before 4 sevens. Begins: 12 each, 7 30 each, 7 90 each, 7 That is 3 sevens not 4.

[@ColorUp]

Well I deviated after explaining strat, but seven out is first 7. I was not waiting for seven out though and was betting after a point was made

[@clueless9245]

@@ColorUp Oh yeah. The part of the strategy that made even less sense to me. I fee statisticians know the odds are terrible, so this can have you playing for quite awhile. That presumes those 4 sevens stay away.

[@Beepbeepoutoftheway]

Ironically a more normal strategy would have won a lot more with these rolls

[@ColorUp]

well the first two rolls were good, after that most strategies would have lost a lot, pretty short rolls

[@ovidgoode2296]

The way you present the strategy you would lose $264 if the 7 rolled THREE times before a 6 or 8, not 4 times as you state any video-$24 (2 12s), $60 (2 $30 bets and $180 (2 $90 bets) which is a lot riskier. I’ve tweaked the system, where for just $66 more, the 7 has to come out FIVE times before a 6 or 8 for the shooter to lose, which is lot more comforting. And a $330 bankroll would still be considered low roller. The only stipulation is you would need a $5 table because your first bet is $6 on 6&8 for $12. I play at the Horseshoe in Shreveport where they have $5 tables in the morning and afternoon. Igor you could play at a unblemished Craps machine. You would bet $12 (2 $6 bets), $24,, $48, $96,, $150 for total of $330. You won’t always be in profit, but you’ll only be a few dollars short and could make it up on the next roll. But main thing this 5-step method preserves your bank roll and keeps you in the game.

[@calebfogdt7776]

You would have to hit twice and regress at the 150 level to almost make up the original bet. I see this martingale strat triples every time to not only make up the previous bets but also bring a profit. If you started at 6 it doesn’t hurt to go to 18 then to 60 then to 168. It’s just the toss up of taking the 4 7s vs 5 7s. But again your betting to hit your numbers twice with the strat you have. I still like your strat because I do feel like with all those sevens someone will come out with a couple 6s or 8s by the end of all of that.

[@atsassassin6979]

What if the shooter rolls 6 eights and 4 sixes before sevening out? You missed out sone potential profit by turning those bets off. Even though I understand the system I don't necessarily agree with it. If you can't shoot you can't win.

[@ColorUp]

Certainly easy to look back at results and have regret of what missed out on...but you never know how the dice will roll

[@rscottreed5027]

Every bet on the table besides The Odds had an advantage to the house. A true mathematician would know there is no system to beat this. You can hedge bets, but you cannot win over the long run.

[@scrim67]

Finally a comment completely logical

[@ColorUp]

I don't think there is a claim to win over long run. Its a gambling game and is how he chooses to play. A mathematician can still play for entertainment knowing you can't win over long run. You either play or don't play.

[@rscottreed5027]

@@ColorUp the title actually states “Win at Craps”

[@Brantoc]

$15/42/120 would be an option. So would $30/72/180 I think..

[@Nightraven6665]

Just did this at the Luxor made 469 in 2 hours

[@brianfagnan]

Good luck with poker its a blast and the fate is all in your hands as the house only takes a rake from the pot. Funny I went from poker to craps. Poker is a patience game expect to play 6 hours min to make good money. The other funny thing is this was the exact strategy I would play at the craps table while I waited for a seat to open at the poker table 😂. It wins 83% of the time and if you have the patience to do this you will have the patience for poker too. My only adjustments were that I would only see 5 rolls win or lose, then turn my bets off until a 7 hit (reset the dice statistically) then go again.

[@ColorUp]

I’m a dice fan, it remains to be seen if I have the patience for poker. But I do like that it is potential positive EV

[@scottlarcher6423]

Jeremy, you can play a near or even or better ev game in blackjack too … with an easy card counting system such as Knock Out Blackjack 😀 just sayin’ … but my first love is poker 😆

[@Twinsen764]

6 and 8 working? Well most of the time they are not. I would get bored. I'd always have them on. then "Martingale" when they don't win.

[@ColorUp]

Yeah, that's a tweak I like as well

[@JoeFerber]

I find it HARD to believe that the creator of this strategy HASN'T lost yet!!! This is STILL a VERY risky strategy because here is ONLY going 3 levels up AND he is WORKING his bets on the come-out roll, something I would NEVER do! I like this strategy idea, but I would modify it by NOT working my bets on the come-out roll and go a MAX of 6 levels up, such as $12 each on 6 and 8 the 1st time, then $30 each, then, $90 each, then $258 each, then $700 each, and then FINALLY $2000 each, and this would be for a table that has either a $2000 or $3000 table MAX limit from a $10 minimum table. And IF you do reach that FINAL bet of $2000 each on the 6 and 8 and HIT it, you will instantly profit $153, and can END your session! The PROBLEM with that is that you would need a bankroll of $6180, and MOST people do NOT have that much for a starting bankroll! So, you are going to venture into poker! Good luck with that and I hope you do well but personally, I think you would be BETTER OFF with blackjack!

[@scrim67]

All I needed to hear was "he claims to never lost with this strategy" FRAUD!!!!!

[@thomasmockler8325]

Man, I appreciate the math of the strategy, but to just stand at a craps table with no action on the table waiting for Big Red doesn't sound like the best trip to the casino.

[@ColorUp]

Different goal

[@anthonycasamassima4739]

He’s yet to lose with this strategy? Hold my beer 😂. I can’t get passed 4 rolls. I have such bad luck.

[@scrim67]

This is like playing a game at the local carnival You will always lose over the long term It's mathematically impossible to win over the long term

[@ColorUp]

Yes, its called gambling. Only the casino wins long term

[@TohAhmoi]

In long run, know dice control and bank roll risky not more 1% will win in long run

[@bluemoon2934]

For every 267$ loss you need to play over 5 sessions to make your money back. At 50$ sessions

[@Justin-zh8ty]

Please explain

[@unmusical7227]

I wouldn't advise doing this on the come out roll. I've frequently seen 7 roll four times before a point. I myself have rolled three 7s in a row. Wait for a point, then Place.

[@ColorUp]

Well dice don’t know if it’s a come out roll or not. Three, four or more 7s could happen at anytime.

[@daytimestudios3678]

Fast paces 264$ for 3 bets but rewards are pathetic. Plus if you won 50$ and walk away. 5 times (250$ profit) by casino and hope and pray.

[@daytimestudios3678]

I have authority? Lol jk! But love your work…. I really don’t gambling, only I play poker and sports betting. It’s a lot of fun for craps but I bet for 264$ for only 50$ and walk out and one or two times in a year? It’s not worth it. You know what I’m saying!

[@chris-graham]

could have just put 264 on the dont pass and called it a day

[@ColorUp]

sure, that's a different way to play, but an option for sure