Colossal Backdrag! The Milwaukee 27-in-1 Ratcheting Screwdriver. 45x more backdrag than Gedore! Wow!

[@jojohnson215]

Great video! More than I ever thought I’d know about backdrag. Thank you for the knowledge.

[@alexlane305]

Long time listener, first time caller here. I'm not a ratcheting screwdriver guy all that often, but the Vessel ball grip ratcheter is really growing on me when there's only a one-hand use option. This next thing isn't related to this video specifically, but I could not find a video in which the Engineer DR-07 Twin Wrench appears on the table, so ill mention here. I would love to see that tool and maybe some alternatives reviewed (even if the alts are totally different, like regular hex keys, t-handles, etc.). I just bought my first Engineer tool (PZ 59) and I'm absolutely impressed by the design and quality of manufacture for the price. I guess I'd just like to hear more general impressions and see more tools you might have laying around from some of the Japanese companies. Was just reading something where a couple people claimed the Three Peaks vise grips are the next best thing to the old Malcos, for instance. Eyeing those or Fujiyas. Not that I don't like USA and German tools too, but the anglophone sources for info on the Japanese stuff are pretty limited unless you're talking Koken or Vampliers, and a handful of other stuff that's found a foothold over here. Thanks in any case for great content. Keep up the good work.

[@Cavett24]

I've fallen in love with the rolgear mechanism that your geodore has. I highly recommend the Hazet 810R-3 or -4. It's the only rolgear screwdriver that I know of with 12-bit storage and, most importantly, a locking bit holder.

[@goncalovazpinto6261]

There's also an Inbus version.

[@scotts4125]

And the bit holder is removable. I love mine.

[@Cavett24]

@goncalovazpinto6261 Yes, but it has a magnetic bit holder instead of a locking collet like the hazet.

[@goncalovazpinto6261]

@@Cavett24 Yeah I didn't notice the difference, I only have the Gedore like in the video, I prefer the slimmer profile. I think the Gedore SilentGear 2169-012 is the same as the Inbus.

[@BrokeBackBennny]

Great video! That Gedore is a retagged version of the Canadian Rolgear screwdriver. Rolgears are Manufactured in Ashcroft BC, a tiny town that I had previously only known as a place for treeplanters to buy gas a do laundry before going back to camp. I was actually planning on seeing if Doc had PO box so I could send him one to try out but I guess now I don't have to.

[@everettmurphree1445]

detent ball fell out 2nd time i used it.. won't hold bits without it

[@TerrenceLP]

I love my Milwaukee ❤ but I'd recommend using Silca Super Secret Chain Lube, it's tungsten disulfide. Makes it much smoother with less back drag 🎉

[@fuloplehel]

Excellent video and testing. Project farm also use very similar method to test the backdrag. This screwdriver is a good tool, especially when you work with wood and similar materials. Maybe is just a strong spring in that ratcheting mechanism. But I think you can apply much higher torque with this screwdriver,compared to the hazet one with the rollgear system. The pawls are firmly engaged with a stronger spring, and also the teeth count is a major factor in this backdrag comparison.

[@jasonstorie8740]

I have the gedore and I love it I would have gotten the Hazet, it has the the same type of gearless drive except it has the removable shaft like the Milwaukee but I couldn’t catch it in stock here in the U.S.

[@cobuck4007]

Do you think backdrag in the ratchet will drop from use over time?

[@TheNitrohurrikane4]

Could you exercise the tool by putting it in a drill chuck and spinning the mechanism in both ratcheting directions while applying some type of oil that can penetrate without messing up the plastic?

[@hardlyb]

I bought the Gedore fore putting in small machine screws. Probably won't be getting the Milwaukee, as I already have so many ratcheting screwdrivers I don't use half the ones I own.

[@aussiehardwood6196]

I open almost all my socket tool ratchets and fine tune the backdrag. I get it well under 'Japanese' type standard. Backdrag is simply a function resulting from the pawl spring preload, the higher that is, the higher the backdrag. I tend to collect any small springs I run into for tuning ratchets as I have probably over 50 in my collection. But ratcheting screwdrivers are a little tricky as they often aren't meant to be opened for replacement service kits. So your stuck with what they factory gives u. However I do find Anex of Japan to be about the best, particularly the 60T mechanism with the red handles. The 72T No.397 isn't bad either. Close to 1kg of backdrag on a screwdriver is too much for me, coupled with a bit holder that uses magnets and not BB's with that play is nowhere near what a ratcheting screwdriver 'should' be in 2023. There are decade+ old patents that hold/lock hex bits in collet with next to zero play. Employ low backdrag and good tolerance bit retention & some bit storage, u would have a product that fly's off the shelf. Yet Nobody has really achieved this to date.

[@joujimiichi1]

1/4” hex measures 6.35mm. That said, the 6mm hex would not exceed the .25” chuck size. They absolutely could have included metric hex from 2mm all the way to 6mm without interference with the mechanism that retains and stores the bits

[@joaquinchan9936]

Have you ever tried Pro'skit brand?

[@aaaatttt101]

Would you not want the backdrag so the ratchet engages as easily as possible?

[@davidasdasd4666]

That combination head is called SLPH

[@ToolTalkChannel]

Even PB Swiss has almost too much back drag.. where it really shines is comfort and locks better than any other ratcheting driver I’ve used so far. It’s hard to imagine a screwdriver with more back drag having much applications for my use. Just one man’s opinion for folks who are curious about if backdrag matters.

[@121dodgers]

Did you get the new miwaukee dremmel!??

[@goncalovazpinto6261]

I think that very very slight backdrag you measured with the Gedore was just the tensioning of the string. That's what it looked like in the video anyway. The way these gears operate, I don't see why they wouldn't have zero backdrag. When you turn the screwdriver backwards, the rollers inside the gears spread out and don't touch the shaft, so zero backdrag. It's just a free spinning shaft. I wish they made the Gedore in a stubby version and in tipped, regular versions, I'd have a set of torx, phillips and slotted at least! I'm thinking of modifying one of these to have a short shaft and use extra long bits on it.

[@lastbesttool]

It’s probably just an Mental artifact of my college physics classes where a true zero is rare.

[@scotts4125]

The bit holder on the Hazet gearless version is removable. Not quite a stubby but a lot closer.

[@goncalovazpinto6261]

@@scotts4125 Thanks! Then I can also use extra long bits for those annoying recessed screws in appliances. I was thinking of the Wera Vario set with double sided 175mm bits but I'm not sure the holder on the Hazet will grab them well, since they are double sided... I'll probably get the Hazet screwdriver first and experiment with different bits. If the Vario ones don't work I can always get something else.

[@scotts4125]

@@goncalovazpinto6261 I also have the same Wera he has and it is very sloppy. The Hazet is on another level plus the great bit storage.

[@Nermash]

Gedore FTW😊

[@weing]

I don't get the love of screwdrivers laden with a pound of bits in the handle. Extremely fatiguing to be using a driver that heavy all day. Useful and good to have in the car or a small kit to get you out of a jam but thats about it for me.

[@jdl3408]

Would like to see the LTT screwdriver compared as backdrag was a big optimization point in the design of that screwdriver.

[@lastbesttool]

I totally forgot that one and the Snap On guess a part 2 is in order.

[@michaelbuddy]

lots of options for screwdrivers. I can pass on this one without a care in the world.

[@donwendling7800]

Don't care for double-ended bits

[@2121contreras]

Ecx bits

[@ecoheliguy]

Every time I see these I’m reminded how much I hate multi tools besides electricians pliers. I like bits but I even seal close the caps on the end of my Snap-on ratcheting handles