COLUMBUS DID NOTHING WRONG According to Diablo 4 Vessel of Hatred

[@clazy8]

"Did Columbus suck, or did the past just suck?" Hard to believe I've never heard the issue put so succinctly.

[@fs5775]

💯👊

[@MrHellknightimp]

Most horrible things said about CC were lies told by his political enemies in the Spanish Court.

[@sirtalkalotdoolittle]

Citation required.

[@jeanbethencourt1506]

What? Spain is proud of him.

[@YarugumaSou]

Or, like you saw at 3:30, the Early Life people.

[@jeanbethencourt1506]

@@YarugumaSou this man speaks facts.

[@GaryNieman]

Even if true they told lies about him why would CC possibly be a better guy then all the other conquistadors who raped and pillaged the Americas?

[@whtwolf100]

I've constantly had to point out to people that christopher columbus visited america before germ theory was established. the fact I have to say that at all is sad.

[@jackjrabbit]

Silly believer in a linear timeline

[@SupersuMC]

Seriously, he didn't know he was bringing diseases they had no defense against.

[@idiotbox3221]

I had someone argue that they still somehow knew that the blankets caused smallpox, then showed some picture of horrible handwriting as evidence. It was bizarre

[@PresidentFlip]

@@idiotbox3221the blankets were much later in history

[@Skeloperch]

@@PresidentFlip The blankets story was also invented whole cloth (heh) by a communist "professor" from Aurora, Colorado in the 1990s. There's actually no evidence of anyone intentionally infecting anyone in the New World with Small Pox except for one time in the American Revolution when the Brits deliberately sent infirm men back to a city to spread disease among the locals.

[@chinaunhinged1970]

I actually believed some of those things about Christopher Columbus before this video. Thanks for giving me a different perspective and doing the research no one else wants to do! It turns out that judging others based on second-hand sources is a bad idea.

[@gamersunbeaten]

That makes me very happy to hear

[@karrusgame]

This is really interesting. It's sad that the lie travels oh so much faster than the truth.

[@DyslexicGamer]

A lie has speed, the truth has endurance

[@SamBrockmann]

We need to avoid making the mistake of "presentism". Presentism is judging the past by the standards of the present. Let's not pretend that Columbus didn't acheive something no one had done for 100s of years.

[@Ember_EX]

Why don't we have Leaf Ericson day? He discovered New Vinland long before Columbus re discovered the Americas

[@gamersunbeaten]

This is a good question

[@BrotherHood-xh9sg]

Discovered, not brought that part of the world into the history and existence. Lead might have seen it first (as far as we know), but the America's didn't become "part of the world" untill far later.

[@ClannCholmain]

Saint Brendan the Navigator Day?

[@Shiznitus]

Leif Erikson Day was last week, October 9th.

[@ShaddySoldier]

APPY LEIF ERIKSON DAY YE HURNGY DURNGY HURNGY

[@clarksbackup]

I love that you quoted Thomas Sowell!😊

[@NerveFlux]

No wonder my history teacher was more interested in teaching us about Amerigo Vespucci and also the Barbary pirates.

[@jacobhuff3748]

Classic historical revisionism at its best, simplification & reductionism for the sake of propaganda. History is messy & complicated because the players involved are messy & complicated. Also translating old languages into modern languages is messy because language changes over time along with the meaning of words & ideals.

[@notYisan]

nina, pinta, and santa maria were rage against the machine lyrics.

[@ShaddySoldier]

Also lyrics to "boats n hoes"

[@Doc_Tar]

Those Aztec Gods demanded sacrifices by the racks of skulls.

[@mmyr8ado.360]

Or else the sun would not shine, you forgot that part

[@PresidentFlip]

Columbus never met an Aztec

[@drganknstein]

​@@PresidentFlipthe Spanish did right?

[@drganknstein]

​@@mmyr8ado.360see. Even then they had bills to pay lol

[@montans002]

The Europeans had already made killing people in public a spectacle and no one else built so many torture devices

[@loganw1232]

Didn’t know the Amerindian slaves brought over were Caribs. Man, they really don’t tell you much in social studies.

[@Irish381]

Chocolate tobacco potatoes yams sugar cane corn Cotton and tomatoes Chilies were brought back to Europe and presented as the bounty of the new world with promise of further prosperity and cultivation in the Spanish court in 1492.

[@libraryofpangea7018]

And all of those were originally cultivated, bred over time, by indigenous peoples across many generations. From your name tag I'll assume you are Irish. I'm Irish as well. The only reason why the Irish Potato blight caused a famine is because the wealth of Irelands other productive crops were being taken out of country and sold by the British purely for their own profit. They allowed the famine to happen and many thought more dead Irish was a good thing. Would you frame the economic benifits to the British Empire- off all that stolen food as a good thing? I would hope not least ye need to change your name. smaoinigh ar ár sinsir agus ar a gcás. We can recognize that indigenous peoples were not in Utopian kumbaya. We also shouldn't down play the very real crimes Christopher Columbus committed. Even omitting his direct actions.. In his wake came the death of millions. Canned corn, hot sauce, fries with a cigarette & chocolate milkshake really just doesn't cut the moral weight of that away. So I'll honor indigenous people's day because it honors the memory of what all those people went through rather than the man who brought it to their doorstep.

[@henrycarlson7514]

@@libraryofpangea7018 It Will ALWAYS be COLUMBUS Day to me

[@ShaddySoldier]

​@@libraryofpangea7018ok

[@objectobject9110]

Thanks for bringing up the Black Legend that was created upon Spain and now projected onto America.

[@4362mont]

IIRC, Michener wrote about the BlCk Legend as well.

[@RX782GP03]

Interestingly enough, if you look at the actual lore of the game, Necromancers uphold the balance of the realms. The children of bulkathos were advanced and civilized and are the protectors of the world. They were only branded barbarians by those who sought to plunder them.

[@jr0868]

I had mixed feelings about this since first it was said that Columbus slayed the natives, then it was said that actually they mostly died because of the yellow fever, they got exposed to outsiders and their immune system wasn't ready for that, but I believe this version awesome video Chris thank you. In my island we have a statue of Columbus.

[@ShaferHart]

The conquistadores probably couldn't have defeated them, even with gunpowder, if they hadn't been decimared by disease first.

[@meneldal]

@@ShaferHart The conquistadors were insanely lucky. The whole story about the fall of the Aztec is just way too long and it gets skipped into a simplified version but if they didn't get a translator who hated them (cause she was enslaved and they kinda freed her), got a bunch of different groups to somewhat ally with them to defeat a common enemy and so many near total fails where they should have all died it would have ended quite differently. In the end, it's all because of people thirst for power or money making them do crazy shit and huge risks. There are probably some others who tried shit but never got remembered because they didn't achieve anything. Gunpowder is great, but it's not like they had fast firing guns, you would get destroyed if the enemy could close in before you could reload if they outnumbered you by a huge margin.

[@julius43461]

It's so cool seeing Chris becoming more red pilled over time. You could say that he wanted to be non partisan and fair to both sides. But it's hard when one side is just nuts.

[@fs5775]

Now *you* are oversimplifying things. I doubt Chris would approve.

[@cbdy1358]

On a related subject; the Edison/Tesla feud was way less dramatic and overblown. Also Edison was not nearly as “evil” as modern internet makes him out to be

[@basscannonjake1235]

Why does my post keep getting deleted

[@gamersunbeaten]

Strange KZbin shenanigans

[@floydlawsen]

Haha that Zinn book is on a table in front of me at the moment. Daughter is reading it. It is ok to re-examine Columbus. but the truth is he and history are complicated. Simple story from old schoolbooks is not true but neither is the screeching leftist version. People take lazy, simple points of view.

[@DarkAdonisVyers]

There's a reason why I love The Elder Scrolls series. Even according to in-game books, Pelinal Whitestrake is basically the Reinhard Heydrich of a winning empire... And that's why we love him.

[@CarlCarson362]

Did Columbus suck, or did the past just suck?" or do we just suck now

[@MiguelDLewis]

5:52 That's not a Mesoamerican human sacrifice. That's the mummy of Thuya, a Hebrew Egyptian noblewoman and the grandmother of King Tut. I don't know if it's the AI you're using but the stock images sometimes don't match your words. The Children of Llullaillaco would be more accurate example. 🤔

[@julius43461]

Started seeing your comments everywhere. Seems like we watch the same channels haha

[@MiguelDLewis]

@@julius43461 Yeah we're all getting psyoped. If I didn't have Long COVID, I wouldn't be stuck watching KZbin.

[@gamersunbeaten]

Ugh, sorry to hear you have that. I know a few people with it. Sounds like hell.

[@julius43461]

@@MiguelDLewis Oh that sucks. Hope you recover from that. I suffer from procrastination rather, working from home and slacking off by watching you tube lol

[@MiguelDLewis]

@@julius43461 lolz

[@kaltenburg2637]

Well done, sir.

[@dixiefish0173]

Don’t be racist, he’s an immigrant! also apparently a Jew, so don’t be antisemitic! It is true, Made it the most diverse place on earth by a gargantuan margin! Ron Burgundy DID say that diversity was an old , old wooden ship...... he brought diversity & inclusion to the new world !!! Christopher Columbus should be celebrated for his work & woke accomplishments! ❤

[@ShaferHart]

Funnily enough, "Columbus Day" is called "Race Day" in some Latin American countries, and it celebrates exactly that. It's a very euphemistic way of honoring Columbus’s trips to the "New World" lol. Anyway, that was before the US started pushing DEI all over the world so who knows if they still celebrate it and call it that.

[@memesahoy79]

I normally dislike your jokes. But the Potato joke was good.

[@fs5775]

I normally like his jokes. But the Potato joke was bad. Different strokes for different folks.

[@Fairred6507]

Thank you.

[@PoliticalChad]

So Knowing Better was wrong about Columbus?

[@AnotherGuyTheXone]

Implying he was ever right

[@Jart988]

Can you tell us more about Zinn early life?

[@drakos365]

Necromancers are often misunderstood aren't they. It's the Paladins you have to keep an eye on.

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

It's interesting to think that the cannibalism was so well documented, that the European explorers didn't even feel the need to slander them. In some accounts (I'll have to look them up), the cannibal tribes were described as more "civilized" and "respectful" than the peoples they oppressed... Apart from the fact that they used to eat people...

[@FordThunderCougarFalconBird]

Come on Chris, I can’t wait that long!!!

[@Post-r9v]

I call it propoganda. Driven by commercialism!

[@MrMfaust5]

Christopher Columbus was a decent Roman Catholic, an Italian explorer and navigator; he discovered lands that were formerly unknown to the Kingdoms of Europe. The man deserves respect by celebrating his feats of discovery; and the missionary work that he carried in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Happy Columbus Day!

[@empathyworks8890]

This was dope my friend.

[@YeenMage]

Everybody was killing each other back in the days: It's the norm. Native 1 vs. Native 2 vs. Native 3 vs. Native 4 vs. Native x vs. Columbus .

[@longrunner404]

I remember seeing some alleged journal entries from Columbus around beating / grooming slaves into sexual obedience. That one still has me on the fence

[@twominuteshate7885]

Do you always make your decisions based on alleged hearsay?

[@hamsterjohn]

spirit wave necro is quite an experience but gonna wait for black friday for a better deal on the expansion

[@Fauxkerykes]

I think this video connects very nicely with your common core video

[@gamersunbeaten]

It really did work out that way

[@sheldonwheaton881]

Well done.🗿

[@TheAussief1]

The luckiest incompetent navigator/explorer ever. Never sighted the continent that spanned from the Arctic to near Antarctic…

[@wesdowner5636]

Columbus discovered a new sea route to India.

[@errick_of_scotts]

For the algorithm ⚔️

[@FatherCrow88]

Great input as always Chris, Can consider mucking around in Kenshi sometime soon? Since it does have slavery, cannibalism and harshness of survival of the fittest all in one package :D

[@gamersunbeaten]

Definitely will do something with kenshi one of these days

[@holdmeshillelagh6600]

Wow Chris, wow, you went there, and there, and there, and little over there. Good job

[@VenomTheCat]

Holy shit. All your channels are amazing. One of the few that are not afraid to say the truth. Also, I am waiting on a new episode of Watching paint dry with Chris Chappell

[@gamersunbeaten]

Wow, I forgot to check in on the paint! I need to get on that!

[@ALL4ONE5288]

11 comment just commenting busy wacthing terrifier 3,

[@ProfPressure]

He also had west African navigators

[@leonfontius5300]

6:56 Anthony Johnson is a real person, but that drawing isn't Anthony Johnson

[@Antony-ng9yj]

This is 9 days later - tomorrow's discussion will be on poor reading skills - this gaming topic is a real world proof that kids are not stupid - their comprehension ability is quite fine. What a perfect illustration this subject is .

[@Blommer930]

Columbus Day gained footing in America so Italian immigrants (who suffered discrimination and harassment) could feel included, but if perfect goodness is the standard, then it should have been Margherita pizza day.

[@BrewsterMcBrewster]

I'm still on Diablo 2! 👻🙀

[@tomdefig6514]

Alcohol is way worse than cannibalism.

[@Dale-TND]

Good video Chris, I need to play diablo 2/3 first though,.

[@GnohmPolaeon.B.OniShartz]

Is it possible the real monsters were the friends we made with hash and po-tat-oes along the way.

[@thomascraiker6449]

Chris! Mechwarrior 5: Clans is coming out on Oct 17th, it would be great to have on Gamers Unbeaten. It is ripe and fertile ground for many Gamers Unbeaten lectures. Why is Euginics bad? How Communism destroys peoples humainty? Why incest is bad? (Please, no romance options in game.) The preversion of inteded words? Why Cults are a bad thing. Play the game then look up the lore, its a gold mine, it really is.

[@gamersunbeaten]

Would you take a sonic game instead?

[@thomascraiker6449]

@@gamersunbeaten I'm cool with that.

[@carr0302]

Chris is great

[@edi9892]

By modern standards, he'd be charged as a war criminal, but he was probably still better than most of his contemporaries... There are many things making an evaluation difficult: 1) change of morals 2) change of a person over time 3) being nice to some, but still bad 4) did he order it, or allowed it to happen, or was he oblivious 5) intent and result 6) factors beyond his control forcing him to make tough decisions.

[@Havenhutbeauty]

What about a spud?

[@abradolflincler726]

The 16 and 19 in the 1619 Project is the IQ range of its proponents.

[@isaacsim9235]

Need to be more specific in story telling. I dont know about gaming characters beyond: 'Winnie the Poo adventures' 'Free Hong King Kong' and 'Bee Gee Ping SingStar' console games.

[@henrycarlson7514]

So wise , Thank You .

[@guptacorp]

Columbus actually DID discover a new sea route to India 🇮🇳 it's Capital is Edison NJ, with Metropolitan ports in Jersey City NJ and Jackson Heights NY. Jai Ho! 🇮🇳 🇺🇸 👍 😅

[@chuckmaceanruig]

The Indians met him halfway, but 600 years later. “India time”, ji. 🙏🏻

[@jpurser55]

his holiday sucked anyways, most places didn't even give you a day off

[@thedustmancometh]

Thankyamuchly

[@matthewmcclary7855]

Im here to fight the algorithm.

[@plumtiger1]

Can you make a version of this without the gaming so my girlfriend will watch it? She thinks CC is evil

[@twominuteshate7885]

Or find a better GF?

[@beaverundercover3479]

Did some servants back then wore dentures.?

[@dawatchng]

Morpheus, I'm beginning to believe...

[@DissonusWren]

Sounds to me like you decided you just didnt like how colombus was portrayed by one author, and decided to believe another author who presented colombus in the way you wanted to see him. Very enlightened of you. Also calling everything marxist takes away from your credibility. Not everything you disagree with is marxist.

[@chuckmccann2712]

I had this one roommate who gave me Zinns book to read. I said to him after it was read, it’s good propaganda for Marxist ideology. He got offended. 😂

[@gamersunbeaten]

Well done sir!

[@republiccan7138]

Christopher Columbus tried to make the world 🌎 a better place, but people excel at making problems for themselves.

[@spindoggytheexplorer2915]

Dude are you the same guy from the China Uncensored channel? I swear you look and sound just like him is he your freaking twin? Edit: After comparing the two of you my wife and I are both convinced you’ve gotta be either twins or the same guy. I was not expecting to run into you on a Diablo video 😆

[@thomassynths]

Same guy. He is also the America Uncovered host. Chris Chappell

[@benjauron5873]

Columbus was an idiot. The ancient Greeks correctly calculated the circumference of the earth, and every intelligent person in the world agreed with them, but Columbus just said "Nope!" and made his own cockamamie calculation. If the American continent wasn't there, like he thought it wasn't, all his men would have died from thirst or starvation without a doubt.

[@FrankHaul]

Based 😎

[@rustyudder]

The Irish people worked west Virginia mines (corporate slavery) until the mid 60s. They couldn't leave because they where not paid in money.

[@veritaslibertatem]

It’s very well known that a conquest and a colonisation aren’t peaceful campaigns. Horrors did took place in south and central America by the Spanish and the Portuguese. But not even close to the mass murder, massacres and genocide that is told. That was part of a strategic campaign from the British empire at the time, to politically and commercially damage the vast Spanish empire’s economic and military hegemony at that period. It’s known as the Black Legend or Leyenda Negra by Spanish people. No doubt that ,any were killed by the conquistadors. But you must ask something to yourself before making any statements. Here is the question How it’s possible that the original inhabitants of the Spanish colonies still alive today, but the ones who were living at the British colonies had disappeared or almost disappeared after the British occupation? If the Spanish conquistadors committed genocide and mass murder, what’s the point of building 34 cities and 12 universities between 1610 and 1671? roads, ports, hospitals and mixing themselves with locals? It’s so easy to open the mouth and speak big without knowing nothing but biased stories. The Spanish were there not only for the wealth of the American continent. The Spanish were sent by the catholic crown of Spain and the Vatican to spread Christian religion. We can see people all along the South American continent descendant of Mayas, Incas, the Aztecas, or the Olmecas with surnames like their ancestors before and after the colonial period. Please remember to check your sources and have a look at the British Empire that has left no one alive in most of their former colonies.

[@waterfall3479]

didnt he say something along the lines of "these people will make perfect slaves"

[@l-_-ls]

Happy Indigenous-Columbus Day!

[@Comezehere]

Go Chris Go.

[@gundisaluusmenendiz]

Chris, Columbus never visited Italy, didn't know Italian language.

[@codecombustion7878]

Columbus did nothing wrong -- he was a founder of a "new" land, whose people were unable to deal with a superior conquering force (Europeans)

[@social3ngin33rin]

Why would you fight mommi Lilith? lol Necromancers are misunderstood; they are recyclers, and everyone today thinks recycling is good so why aren't necromancers seen as good? lol

[@Friedbrain11]

According to the basic English rules, potato is pronounced po ta to with all of the vowels long. Your po tat o is completely incorrect. Now you know :) LOL

[@montans002]

Really disappointed Chris been a huuuge fan forever but this one is a nope. Centuries this murderer is put on a pedestal when he wrought so much damage to South America. it was only recently that our voices got heard and more proof of the suffering that South America endured during the colonial period came to light and now your stamping down on our voices. There were definitely heroes in that time period and you have many to choose from but the fixation on this individual is ridiculous. To me it’s the equivalent of trying to defend the guy who started the KKK and saying

[@dphuntsman]

Chris, gonna have to give you a Thumbs Down on this one. Methinks you made up your mind about a meme you wanted to pontificate about beforehand- and then went about trying to come up with cute-ish things and ways to say things about it in the process. As someone who has actually read the 1619 Project in full- it took me over a month of morning teas, since I usually found something every morning I then wanted to spend time on looking up history et al on my iPad- I think you actually mischaracterized what it was about (not to mention the fact it was a compendium by many authors on many subjects). Plus, on the subject that got us here: I, for one, make the national plea: that that October Monday be BOTH: Columbus Day AND Indigenous People’s Day. And I do so with a straight face, because there are DAMN GOOD REASONS to do so: COLUMBUS DAY should remain because, when Chris first stepped on that beach- uniting- for the first time, ever, that ended up staying PERMANENT- the two halves of humanity on the planet Earth- they henceforward remained integrated (come hell or high water!!!! Sometimes both!) It was when he took that step on that beach at that moment that humanity on Earth took its biggest, ever, turn. AND as someone who retired from NASA after 46 years because I believe that space exploration was the extension of what folks like Columbus did, it ALSO needs to be remembered every year as EXPLORERS DAY/EXPLORATION DAY, and what those words mean for humanity - including, going forward. And THAT’S why it should be remembered. SIMULTANEOUSLY: We SHOULD also keep it as INDIGENOUS PEOPLES day; because there is NO SINGLE BETTER EXAMPLE of the law of unintended consequences in many ways- including ‘lessons learned’ about what can happen WHEN EXPLORING- when grossly different paradigms come into sudden, direct contact- technologically, culturally, you name it. After all, there are reasons Star Trek was famous for introducing the whole idea of the PRIME DIRECTIVE- an idea, not only to protect other, ‘less advanced’ cultures from us- but to protect US from other contacts as well when necessary. It’s a big universe, and while we want to laud exploration, we need to somehow- someway, need to find the right way, to ladle in the proper amounts of the ingredients of Lessons Learned and Caution in the process. - Dave Huntsman

[@angelmercado812]

Pretty good video, one issue though. He didn't work for Italy, his crew and even he were Spanish.

[@darbeefarb2491]

I finally click on one of these videos and all i see is more "culture war" crap. "bu bu natives had slaves" doesn't change the fact that the U.S was one of the last modern civilizations to end slavery and fought a notable war over it. Easiest Unsub ever.

[@Mr.CheesePoof-t3i]

Running out of decent things to cover? Its a fantasy game get over lore that doesn't fit stupid woke nonsense.

[@montans002]

Hey people let’s not forget that the Inca and Aztec had their own culture and traditions that were literally buried and burned down to the point where speaking the native tongue was punishable offence. Columbus was one of the first to do this He brought a boat load of prisoners to a new continent and ppl think he was a good guy ? I’m all on board all your other content Chris but you are heavily blind to the cultural loss that the Americans suffered it wasn’t just the fever it was from the little things. I don’t like your name so here is your better white person name. That’s what happened to all the people there

[@Vazerin]

3:30 oy vey

[@lordgorshack3970]

Columbus day became a holiday in 1937 as a way of celebrating Italian Americans. I don't care about the Bahamas, Spain, Indians, or Italians. 😅

[@magnusm4]

It's not just horrible acts, but the circumstances. The word utopia is supposed to mean a paradise society. Problem is that original draft involved slaves. Columbus brought slaves, but that was the norm and expected at the time. A good example of what Columbus did is the story of Tahiti. Written in a book of History's Biggest Mistakes. Where the first voyage was tame and basic. But over time each new voyage by different ships gave new problems. Strict and violent punishments horrified the natives. Christian missionaries introduced them to sin and made them feel guilt and shame. Hilariously reflecting the Adam and Eve where the previously sexually open and bare natives now were western clothes. New diseases were introduced. And this once paradise, as described by a painter who came to see it. Had been corrupted and destroyed by foreign involvement. Everything visitors had praised and told had been ruined. The leader of that first voyage would later write his regrets over their discovery that doomed this once peaceful and free island to become barely a shell of it's former natural beauty and openness. Saying they should never have set foot there in the first place. There were awful groups who did terrible things in America. But the colonies were arguably worse and spread the terror across the continent beyond repair. But I hate giving everything names or designating everything. Left, right, liberal, radical it doesn't matter. You can't black and white everything into a damn message. You don't talk about your own budget and home economy by an ideology. Capitalism didn't exist in the 15th century, neither did communism, socialism or your-ism. Just monarchy, empire and state within states such as the Hanseatic League and East India Company. Prussia was once called a military that had a country. Stop labelling everything left woke, alt right socialite or gay liberal neo oligarchy Taoism. It means as much as "Yes we can" CAN WHAT!

[@rustyudder]

He wasn't a monster, he was just lost 😅 he wasn't part of the slave trade. The thing is, you can't discover something where people already live. It was already discovered 😅

[@hamza4u119]

he sucks

[@jayteepodcast]

Terrible video

[@slash_em]

Terrible comment

[@Apocrypha667]

Somebody's ancestors weren't the best at exploring and innovating.

[@flyingcompanion]

Vessel of Trash!!!! hahaha such a bad patch Chris! :D