Comanche vs. Apache : The Fight for West Texas

[@jamesferris4573]

This was both informative and fascinating. I live in Oklahoma and have spent much time in Texas going to different historical sites where both the Apache and the Commanche tribes made history, but I had missed this particular story. I really enjoyed it. I appreciate your hard work and attention to detail.

[@LeafTreez]

I live in Oklahoma as well. What kind of historical sites for these tribes are in Texas that you've been to? I'd love to check some out

[@Jayouttatexas]

yea, i live in southern texas and all land you step on over here been walked on by the comanche, apache, and other tribes. i live right by a comanche lookout park lmao

[@HanifeÖztürk-u4p]

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[@Sandbarfight]

Amazing!!! Thank you again for all your hard work. I cant wait, much respect from Northern California.

[@reallyright2431]

Can't get enough of your channel.

[@HikingForLoot]

So good to hear real west stories especially about the apaches and Comanches in Texas. It seems that little spotlight is on this area thank you

[@tannershane6491]

Read “ empire of the summer moon “ promise you will love it

[@AbnEngrDan]

As someone descended from those very same Comanche, I can tell you that violence and the taking of land from tribes by the various other tribes of North America was a very common practice, long before the first Spaniard set foot on the continent. Our people were not peaceful & stoic, as led to believe.

[@tonysa2337]

Your people were just that, people. All cultures have weakness and strengths, things to admire and things to loath. Glad that more and more people are realsing this and rejecting the woke cult BS that promotes a culture of perpetual victimhood.

[@tannershane6491]

Comanche were ruthless and bad ass. Product of environments . Numanu until 1700s . Thanks to the great horse dispersal. Went from kid who was picked on regularly to a bully kicking everyone’s ass until Texans came up with the Colt 45

[@Firguy_the_Foot_Fetishist]

I heard that the Comanches were a bunch of brigands that were detested by every other tribe in their region.

[@jessiemartinez3056]

​@@tonysa2337not woke just the truth foo

[@Chris-um3se]

Well said- I believe many naive an historically illiterate Americans think The Tribes we're charming and Spiritually innocent.

[@michaelfisher7170]

Thanks to your channel ive come to love stories about Herman Lehmann. I'd never heard of him two weeks ago. Also the details you include about the native tribes, their strengths, ingenuity and strategies, are briiliant. Bravo on your storytelling talent.

[@nicksmith3746]

I think the narrator meant "Apache" at 16:39.

[@harrymills2770]

He messed up that way at least twice that I noticed.

[@markadkins9290]

Absolutely fascinating, how great is learning of history!!! How history can repeat, how one can learn from it! Apply lessons learned, and prepare, adapt for the future!!!😎🇺🇸

[@DeepTexas]

outstanding production and content

[@jamoo0]

Makes my day when you post fr

[@johnnyjohnson1326]

Lehmann's story is absolutely fascinating! I've heard aspects of it many times and it's always interesting. It proves the adage: Adapt, Improvise, Overcome.

[@blockmasterscott]

A lot of people don't know that the Indians fought each other just as much as they fought us. The Time Life Wild West Series from the early 70s describes their wars in pretty good detail.

[@DonBean-ej4ou]

The way of the world. The Celtic tribes continued to fight each other as the Romans conquered them.

[@QuetzalcoatlMexica]

Thats what they said. I bet there was but not like in the Eastern hemisphere. There was plenty of genocide, massacres, atrocities, plagues, wars and scarifices going on alot more in the Eastern hemisphere.

[@tonysa2337]

Baseless statement. What evidence do you have? Every race, culture and religion has engaged in wars of conquest, genocide and slavery to the maximum extent its capability at some stage in history. The cultures of the western hemisphere were no more peaceful or humane than those of the west.

[@mcnuttington7122]

Yeah ain’t wrong

[@drstevenbrule]

"us" 😂

[@cjthebeesknees]

Respect to the Antelope parent who tracked down her offspring and suffered the same fate, heartbreaking indeed.

[@sheepsfoot2]

How Disgusting > what kind of human race cooks an animal that is still alive ? , you're taking its life to keep yourself alive at least give it a humane quick death !

[@patriciamercer9960]

Indeed 😢

[@MustAfaalik]

@CJ Clark. Let us learn to respect all sentient beings for they share the same living conditions as humans in this world.

[@mico1664]

For all the "respect the spirit of the animal" they had no issue brutally killing them in horrendous ways. I mean, why not kill the animal before cooking it? Truly vile

[@maximosseas4377]

Awesome!!! Real accounts between the Apache’s and Comanches are legit!!! Take care!

[@superdave1921]

You, sir, are an amazing historian and truth teller. Your knowledge and expression of truth are second to none. Thank you very much for sharing this kernel of history with us, it’s much appreciated!

[@michaeldean1289]

Fascinating story and a great video presentation, looking forward to seeing your next video ❤😊

[@novak7970]

Another great story. Thank you.

[@ludwigderzanker9767]

Thx guys again for a nice piece of history, that's made my day..l read the book several times but ,I 'm german too and l took it with cum grano salis. I never learned about a white captive in both this tribes in this position and status .But l trust four fifth of the narrative and like your style and content. Victorio was the most handsome Apache ever and died in the early seventies in Mexico. The earlier spaniards paid the Comanche to root out the Apache, the two tribes hated each other from the ground till the times in reservation..sometimes until today I heard..😂 Every German over 40 years know that already . Stay like your are friends . God's Blessings from Northern Germany Ludwig

[@hidesbehindpseudonym1920]

I think you said Comanche when you meant to say Apache a couple of times in this video.

[@AyoDanteOfficial]

16:50

[@janreznak881]

Like it matters lol.

[@archiereddy9560]

@@janreznak881 different tribes, why wouldn’t it matter?

[@chadrowe8452]

He did and I forgive him

[@AyoDanteOfficial]

@@chadrowe8452 facts. my immediate thoughts

[@phillipwasson2980]

Incredible Story! 💯👌

[@adamstephenson7518]

Another great video

[@Chris-um3se]

Spectacular script and haunting Narration. THANK YOU !!

[@historyattheokcorral]

Thank you for watching!

[@14docmurph]

Something modern victim types might want to remember is that none of us are here because our ancestors were all harmless, virtuous people. Humanity has been a story if the struggle for land, resources, and power. We all have blood on our hands and no one ancestry is excluded.

[@catto-m]

True, its just that some have way more than others 😊

[@14docmurph]

@CATTO M some were more capable.... reverse several aspects of technological development and history looks totally different. Give the Aztecs, or the Bantu, or the Comanche, or the Mongols, or the Maori seafaring ships, armor, and firearms, and see what they would have gotten up to.

[@bc2578]

Another good one, thanks.......

[@westxranchin]

You read the book! Awesome I remember recommending a month back

[@historyattheokcorral]

You know it!

[@hectormunoz6052]

Ironically and somewhat Poetically , Herman was eventually adopted by Quanah Parker and lived with him and his family for a while Herman's story is the most amazing one i have ever known of

[@thechiefwildhorse4651]

The Comanche Nation has no record of a Herman -COMANCHE NATION

[@jeremywatson4860]

​@@thechiefwildhorse4651you could fill an ocean with what the Comanche nation doesn't have record of. That doesn't mean it isn't true.

[@TrulyUnfortunate]

The Lipan Apache were the main indian tribe in the west Texas area now called Kimble County. They ran the show for decades until the Comanche showed up.

[@IdealSilver6224]

This was very nice, love your work!

[@tonyholt90]

That was an interesting account thanks for sharing

[@Fred-ve3eu]

I can't wait for my copy of this book but I'd rather listen here good job sir

[@petermcdougall1152]

Coming from Nebraska, I remember reading in class about the great tribes around us. Fascinating stuff

[@carywest9256]

I ran across a book l bought about captives in Texas, and this Herman Lehman was in the book. He was initially captured by the Apache. Then traded to the Comanche. As best that l can remember, there were 8 to 10 accounts of kidnapping of kids and their captivity with certain tribes.

[@chriswest8389]

My general impression is that, by and large, white kids kidnapped, usually , upon being reunited with their birth parents, didn't wish to go bk. Unlike natives kidnapped by whites.

[@marthacano4841]

I read Herman Lehman book last year “Nine Years Among The Indians” it was definitely a crazy read and very shocking those times where definitely hard days!

[@tannershane6491]

Check out “ empire of the summer moon “ paints a light on the Comanche that not many people. Know . Herman was lucky. You will read about multiple encounters of whites and Comanche trying to trade “ slaves” which comcnahe thought nothing of it . They torture women and girls burned their noses off . Sometimes they brought kids in and loved them. Hence the whole story o Quanah Parker . His mother was father “ white squall” Comanche took her in the Parker Fort raid in early 1800s just outside ft worth tx . Promise you guys you will Enjoy the read . Learn about John Coffee hays too…

[@texasRoofDoctor]

The books "the Boy captives" and "the Son" are stories about boys captured by the Comanche and raised this way. The Son starts out pretty well but gets a bit convoluted with different generations over time.

[@briancatt3648]

The boy captives. The first copy I bought was in a wood floor country store in Mountain Home Tx. I found a second copy on line. It is now being passed to family members

[@timhunter6873]

It would be awesome if you made your Playlist in numerical order. I enjoy your work, but would like to hear the whole story. I drive a lot, and it's hard to find the next episode every 10 to 20 minutes. Thanks for your work.

[@historyattheokcorral]

We are working on that right now! We will also release episodes soon where all of the parts are put into one longer video. Thank you for listening!

[@judithcampbell1705]

Very interesting history of the apache and commanchi. It's sad what became of the apace

[@AyoDanteOfficial]

please more stories on Herman

[@AyoDanteOfficial]

No Nose: *just existing and being a kind woman* Herman : 🤨😡🤬

[@historyattheokcorral]

Fair.

[@SB-yj7qo]

HOKCday is my favourite day of week

[@toserveman9265]

I read " Geronimo's Story of His Life" about 12 years ago. Here's a description of the author and book: The editor, Oklahoma school superintendent Stephen Melvil Barrett, first met Geronimo in the summer of 1904, and felt that the 76 year old Bedonkohe Apache leader and medicine man from New Mexico and Arizona, a prisoner of war for 20 years far from his home, who had never told his side of history before, should finally do so. President Theodore Roosevelt granted Barrett's request to interview Geronimo, and this is the result, without Barrett's clarifications or intrusions - "write what I have spoken," as Geronimo said. Topics covered include his early life, the origin of the Apaches, their tribal structure, raids in Mexico, and interactions with the American military.

[@blockmasterscott]

I am not surprised at all that Teddy gave the go ahead, what's more I bet he enthusiastically gave the go ahead. That's the kind of man Teddy was,

[@jpcaretta8847]

Read this book, went to Ft Sill, saw his grave.

[@andrewguida8995]

This guy wrote a book about his experiences. Highly recommend reading it actually not too long either.

[@adidog6243]

Another well done H.O.K.C., I've already read 'Nine Years among the Indians', but I appreciated the 'colour' added by your selected Pictures and well paced narrative. Interesting, the Apache and Comanche, agreed to unit in combating the threat of 'White' invasion. Not the first People to embrace the concept of 'the Enemy of my Enemy is my friend'. Also, sadly, not the first time this concept came much too late. I suppose, the overriding concept, no matter who invades and why, remains: 'Vae Victis'.

[@WyomingTraveler]

I enjoyed this story, as well as the many others you produce. I like that many of your stories describe the conflict between various Indian tribes and each other as well as the tribes conflict with the whites. War on the Texas plains was not only brutal, but conflict day.

[@Im_No_Expert_72]

Pretty interesting, thanks

[@etiennescarbinski7890]

Great stories, thought they just lived in harmony and picked lavender together

[@opossum2255]

Are you meaning to say Comanche when you should say Apache? I’m confused at some points.

[@opossum2255]

Like at 16:44 you say they wandered and ran across another band of Comanche 100 strong.

[@Philipp.of.Swabia]

Probably.

[@enezjaniw493]

The inter tribal conflicts are fascinating to me. I just wish I could get hold of more books about it.

[@Jacob488.4]

The horse spinning instead of running omg straight out of a horror movie

[@phillipwasson2980]

Mule....

[@Jacob488.4]

@@phillipwasson2980 I will find you and I ....

[@gearchallenge7555]

Was Apache and Comanche inadvertently overlapped in this telling?

[@Philipp.of.Swabia]

Yes

[@hagengilbert8102]

Good voice!

[@Bogbastardo]

So grateful for our persistent and victorious ancestors. They employed the same conduct to defeat the Indians as the Indians did to themselves.

[@manuelsteele2651]

I am Apache . The Comanches had a much larger tribe before the onset of smallpox. With sheer overwhelming numbers and expertise in mobile tactics using horses, they had too much advantage on the Plains. So, the much smaller bands of Apaches were not a match in Texas. The exceptions were the Kiowa-Apaches who were their allies and mixed with Kiowa. So, the Apaches took to mountain strongholds like the Guadalupe Range or Sierra Madres to survive. They could hold their own in the rugged terrain with excellent ambush tactics that negated horse travel speed. But by 1880 remnants of Comanches had actually combined with Chief Victorio since most Comanches had been killed by smallpox and Quanah Parker had left the warpath.

[@z-z-z-z]

@manuelsteele2651 - two dates are given for the comanche/kiowa peace (1790 and 1805). around that time, the comanche and kiowa apache would also have been at peace since the kiowa apache were part of the kiowa tribe. so, the kiowa/kiowa apache and comanche would have the same allies (wichita, etc.) and the same enemies (osage, apache, etc.). with all that said, i do not recall ever reading anything about the kiowa apaches relations with the apache proper (lipan, mescalero, jicarilla, etc.)? i would assume the relations would have been warlike mostly (until the 1870's).

[@tannershane6491]

@@z-z-z-z they had a different kind of peace. Comanche would call them in on raids. Comanche were the scariest Calvert to ever walk this planet

[@shaniell.mathur6372]

Amazing story

[@sylviamaresca8852]

Comanche kicked out the Apache of Texas. Sent them running.

[@D0nnyy]

Not really, more so out migrated them and Lipan were the only group to live in Texas

[@michaeldewitt5229]

I'm a die-hard Vikings fan and was skeptical about how the team and Darnold personally would play this year. The win over the Packers on the road has convinced they are better than a lot of people thought, myself included.

[@jeffronimo7122]

Geronimo was NEVER a chief! He was a war shaman.

[@sylviamaresca8852]

Thank you for sharing that. Few people know it

[@thomasswafford250]

@@sylviamaresca8852 I did. I listen to a biography on him. He once told the rest of the tribe exactly what their destination would be like before they got there and without having visited it before. Geronimo is actually the Spanish version of Jerome. It was a nickname the Mexicans gave him. He stood out as fearless when he fought them. His actual name was, "he who snores."

[@josealbert4596]

medicine man?

[@yodigak8810]

Medicine man?!

[@kenneth6847]

Where did this battle take place?

[@alexanderbreglia7282]

General Crook rode a mule during his pursuit of the Apache in Arizona.

[@juanuribe2580]

this happy ending of this particular anecdote I believe is like the video said, "due to Victorio". My personal favorite Indian (full blooded Mexican/mestizo named Pedro Cedillos from Chihuahua city) Chief; greatest native military n political leader by far. Any sad endings before n after where due to the absence of Victorio. my respect to ALL natives, specially the Apache n Comanches. great video, thank you.

[@sanderson9338]

No respect to either as they were cruel vicious raiders but at the end of the day they got handled by better warriors ie American army lets not glorify these savages.

[@juanuribe2580]

@@sanderson9338 sanderson, there was no crueler (if it's a word) or more vicious raiders in N. America than the U.S. Army. the army exterminated the Indians (that is why there are no tribes nor Indian reservations east of the Mississippi). In the U.S. there was a popular phrase that said, "the only good Indian is the dead Indian". Daniel Boone and President Andrew Jackson made the German Gestapo look like boy scouts compared to them Indian killers. is that cruel and vicious enough for you? is that the moral superiority you're claiming over Apaches n Comanches? enlighten me.

[@westxranchin]

Herman Lehman

[@123Goldhunter11]

The Noble Savage. Roasting animals alive.

[@thechiefwildhorse4651]

Epstein Island -COMANCHE NATION

[@iPhantom287]

The Brazen Bull.

[@frankedgar6694]

Gold Hunter. Any idea how you would keep a young antelope still long enough to die after you put it on a pile of coals? I’ve seen indigenous folks cook dead monkeys whole over coals. I’m going to take his claim with a grain of salt.

[@ewellfossum]

I'm a Warm Springs Chiricahua Apache and a direct descendant of Warm Springs Chiricahua Apache chief's Victorio, Mangas Coloradas, and Loco, I also am a descendant of Chiricahua Apache US Scouts Charles Martine Sr and Paul Guydelkon Sr. The only Apaches that were living in Texas were the Lipan Apaches, who were friendly with the Mescalero and Chiricahua Apache. I think we roamed Texas only as nomads but we settled in western New Mexico and Eastern Arizona. We were the last to surrender to the 6th Cavalry in 1886 in Mexico.

[@Abuidris477]

imagine what would've happened if the tribes unified in more plentiful numbers and decades earlier

[@blondemallard]

If possible do some Cherokee stories please. A good one would be the Cherokees battles with the Osage of Arkansas and Missouri

[@LegendCarson]

Спасибо за качественый контент}

[@mtower235]

They gathered the bodies and threw them into a hole? That sounds odd

[@historyattheokcorral]

Tbh, we thought so too. Not impossible, but def odd. However, thats all Herman says about it in his book.

[@kneedeepinbluebells5538]

BOTH Tribes Lived Ruthlessly By The Sword ... They Deserved Every Brutality That Came Their Way

[@aquariumdude7829]

Apparently, the idea of actually trying to live peaceful, productive lives by farming and trade never occurred to these animals? Guess it was just easier for their primitive brains to decide to murder and steal.

[@sidneygriffiths5737]

Around 17 minutes in he said Hurman on the run came across a comanche group who gave aid! This must be a mistake right?

[@sunzeneise]

Was this the beginning of “ fast food.”?

[@dirkcampbell5847]

16:50 'apache' not 'comanche'

[@ChargzTheEnemy.]

Proud to be Comanche

[@charlesbey8636]

Vittorio,not Victorio

[@aquariumdude7829]

I think Herman was in the Stockholm Syndrome for nine years.

[@chrislouden7329]

Geronimo wasn't a chief

[@westxranchin]

I am almost positive. The situation with the baby antelope happened on ranch we own and manage north of San Angelo . Pulling From his description of killing the baby antelope in the book. I grew up, walking the hills on that place constantly looking for artifacts. There are several burial cairns on the ranch.

[@davidlloyd2225]

24:37 white bison ❤️💯🇬🇧 24:48

[@larry1824]

Consider the alternative

[@inferno0020]

Indigeous nations have different history region by region. When Indigenous Californian history is an one-sided total war, Northwest was mixed with alliances and rivalry, and betrayal, the Great Plain was marked with warfare.

[@jerrydethomas5125]

I wonder how much of this tall tale is actually true...

[@F4Insight-uq6nt]

Proof of all Claims Required.

[@historyattheokcorral]

What do you mean?

[@tombrown1281]

Wow

[@chrisneuman550]

I used to work for an Injun he called me his whiteback...

[@DeJuanEvans-s6j]

I'm game

[@etemytradel4509]

The battle to have an attack helicopter named after your tribe!

[@armann04]

Apache isn’t a real tribe it word from Zuni tribe which means The Enemy that they called six separate tribes Apache that are Chiricahua Mescalero Jicarilla White Mountain (Western Apache) Lipan Kiowa (Plains Apache) unrelated too the other Kiowa tribe

[@danimi361]

I don't think either tribe was Woke

[@bouncycastle955]

Natives killing natives for their own benefit immediately blaming all on white men? Not woke at all 😂

[@TheArizonaRanger.]

Apaches give me quality over quanity vibes while it's the vice versa for the Comanche. Could be wrong, though. That's just how I interpret the narrative. Im gonna read more into it though.

[@lightnertyler88]

I read the book I thought Herman joined the Cheyenne . Quannah Parker took him in as one of his own .

[@ttuny1412]

It was mentioned at the end but said it was a story for another time.

[@blainehillis1921]

No warriors were ever coming out of Utah man, come on! 🤦🏽

[@RedHawk-z8z]

@@blainehillis1921 there were the Ute, Shoshone, Paiute, Goshute, and the Bannock. They had warriors too.

[@RoadTraveler]

Bump

[@dominicconnor3437]

Humans are worse the animals in how brutal they are. The same thing is happening in the world today.

[@Derrickdurgher]

Team jamaica

[@trukeesey8715]

Apache were in Tennessee when we came. Listen to Prem Rawat!

[@TheTradosaurus]

The Indians saw the writing on the wall once we civilized the area.

[@elg281]

US is Yall

[@dittmannrudolfrohr2149]

"German speaking" - in this case it was quite surely a German.

[@stevesmith2171]

You forgot southeastern New Mexico.

[@zachberman9785]

Oh I thought all the indigenous tribes wasted nothing and lived in harmony….another revisionist lie.

[@Nleezie33]

If the native American tribes would have been smarter, they would have linked together to fight their true enemy at the time.

[@aquariumdude7829]

Poor Herman. He had to spend nine years living among those animals. He should have become a U.S. Cavalry scout and got his revenge on them all later.

[@jeremyrios8144]

The U.S. calvery were worse animals

[@spacewater7]

"Never boil a kid in it's mother's milk' among many hundreds of other commandments, Exodus and Leviticus. How in God's name did the Israelites survive, and more than that THRIVE in similar conditions on the opposite side of the world with so many restrictions while the honorable native American tribes lost so much while they performed so many sadistic acts against both man and beast?

[@rustyshackleford5288]

Yeah it's almost like the God of the Israelites is real and the spirits and animal gods of the Natives aren't.😂

[@josealbert4596]

The Spaniards had a lot of merit when they tried to make these guys good Catholics.