The Truth Behind Spider-Man's Black Costume!

Buy Birth of Venom, which includes the Saga of the Alien Costume! amzn.to/2Os21r5 When Spider-Man returns from the Secret Wars with a snazzy new black suit, he's faster, stronger and has an unending inbuilt supply of webbing! All the better for tussling with foes such as the Rose, Black Fox, Red Ghost, Jack O'Lantern, Puma and the Blob! Not only that, but he's dressed to impress the Black Cat too, much to Mary Jane's dismay. But there's something about Peter that's not quite right. Curse that ol' Parker luck, the black costume just happens to be a hungry alien symbiote...and it's grown very attached to him! Never miss an episode by subscribing today! bit.ly/2WYvgkt #spiderman
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[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

That moment you realize your husband fully comprehends the ungodly existence that is the Red Ghost and had to live through his entire life carrying that burden.

[@GodzillaRex100]

He has live with that weight

[@barraki6706]

Honestly, though, I don’t see how hard that is. Their origin is pretty straightforward. Red Ghost trained these three primates. They go up into space like the Fantastic Four. They get superpowers. End of story.

[@chrisdaily2077]

​@@barraki6706 And he is going to land on the moon since the first man to land on the moon shall rule the world.

[@Maskedmenace8267]

​@@chrisdaily2077...d...does Armstrong rule earth

[@michaellabonte6390]

​@@Maskedmenace8267what? Are you high

[@jonfrombuckland_3784]

Ethan, matter of factly, "Goblins and Spiders are natural enemies."

[@hapokas112]

Nice.

[@KillerPredator900]

I died when they went on this tangent

[@widdlewanwon]

@Saul Goodman lmao

[@Hulkzilla0]

@Saul Goodman Hasn't the comic book industry taught you anything? Death is meaningless!

[@spiral2754]

Just like Bats and Clowns or Aliens and bald people

[@comicpop]

We screwed up the bit about Demogoblin, when in fact he was the separated demon previously attached to Macendale when he was the resurrected Hobgoblin. Please accept our apologies.

[@galvatron3323]

Accepted

[@damienandrews6359]

It's ok

[@radicalraddish6292]

All is forgiven

[@chrismontgomery5406]

Can you do dc New frontier

[@jjrambles683]

I've never heard of Demogoblin and I'm kind of scared about what that is cause that sounds stupid

[@camerond4689]

The look on tiffs face when sal is telling the red ghost story....priceless

[@hapokas112]

Nice.

[@kieranmorrison3008]

Hello darkness my old friend 😂

[@easyj9826]

Greatest shit ever

[@TheGreatDevlin]

If Red Ghost doesn't show up in the Goblin-Symbiote War, what's the point? 🔴👻

[@macabrevoid]

32:55 Tiff.exe has stopped working

[@EliDEVITTSpeaks]

💀💀💀💀

[@nole8146]

Cue Windows update

[@anthonyholmes3281]

“Goblins and spiders are a natural enemies” Comic pop

[@comicsmisexplained]

The Population: Hey Sal can we get Saga? Sal: We got Saga at home Saga at home: Spider-Man The Alien Costume Saga

[@jonfrombuckland_3784]

I love the Saga episodes, but this is such a good Back Issues

[@trucontent]

One of the best memes from this show. The slow zoom to Tiffany while Sal is describing that Black Fox. Cinematic beauty.

[@jonfrombuckland_3784]

I love those slow pans so much

[@comicsmisexplained]

I was hoping Sals voice was going to fade out and just become static 😆

[@kurtoogle4576]

Agreed - absolutely amazing! Still laughing!

[@EliDEVITTSpeaks]

Tiffany's deadeye during the Black Fox/Red Ghost subplot is pure comedy gold.

[@venom66656]

The slow zoom in Tiffany's bewildered face just made me lose it

[@alexsilva28]

I love slow zooms like that cuz it takes a moment before you notice it

[@Chactemal]

"Im Spider-man im not comfortable with going to space" *gets flashback of Peter kicking Thanos on Titan*

[@ToonGal12]

"Great responsibility is a great excuse." ----Ethan 2019

[@Josh_Hammond]

I can just imagine peter returns to his destroyed apartment and Mary Jane asks what happened and peter replies there was a spider in the apartment. 😂😂😂

[@SpiralSine6]

“Goblins and spiders are natural enemies.” Add that to the list of best Back Issues moments

[@umr_lnt]

24:17 "it's like saying your favourite dinosaur is a dragon" LOL

[@Grievousish]

You know when a spider-man book has the word "saga" in it you're gonna be in for an interesting time.

[@AwesomenessImpolsion]

The Maximum Secret Clone One More Day Saga of Sins Past War

[@pikapal91]

AwesomenessImpolsion Clone Saga?

[@dinosaurusmaximus8506]

23:00 Okay, I don't care how bad it is, I just wanna see War of Goblins and Symbiotes.

[@alexsilva28]

Same

[@smhfirebruh5630]

And like what if the Goblin god/king just has William Dafoe's face

[@kanborne]

Easily the best part about this book was the Mary Jane backstory reveal, such a great turn for a beloved character. Stuff like this is what separates her from all the other forgettable Spidey girlfriends. Great episode as always!

[@BrowncoatAllywang]

I actually never knew MJ's backstory with her sister. Weird that no other writer ever references it.

[@jonfrombuckland_3784]

Right? That seems like loads of great story potential

[@angel7661]

Her backstory with her sister is reference several times and is somewhat resolved when peter proposes a second time.

[@angel7661]

@@LifeIsForEmos8D She even meets her father again after that

[@ComicCrossing]

@@LifeIsForEmos8D So basically it hasnt been referenced in over 20 years? Thats basically not even existing.

[@thespider8654]

@@angel7661 Yeah I think she appeared when Peter proposed to MJ a second time.

[@thesavageJ]

The face Tiffany makes when Sal is explaining the Red Ghost and his origin is the beginning of her villain arc

[@Atem_in_the_streets]

32:50 The sloooow zoom in on Tiffany's face is priceless. She's going through so many emotions 🤣🤣

[@lizdevine2525]

Fun Fact: the dream sequence's adaptation from the 90s animated series was actually out-sourced to (I wanna say a Japan based) out-of-house studio because the team on the show at that time had no faith in their ability to translate that visual, and it looked so good they used it in the intro of every episode (I believe). I really liked the return of the use of the back-screen to show the animated segment, last time I remember seeing that was the Maxx Back Issues. Definitely should get more play when relevant.

[@zangetsu134]

Oh man. The fact that just kind of glossed over Hobgoblins origin shows how convoluted that shit got And why Roger Stern His creator Had to fix it

[@Martendo-ux4fw]

Who else thinks that a Goblin-Symbiote War actually sounds kind of hype and that the idea of their being a mystical goblin king to take on Knull is pretty cool

[@oisinodwyer5985]

You must love what they did to Norman

[@passarovoador6662]

@@oisinodwyer5985 What happened after King in Black and the whole Spencer run to Norman?

[@kd7100]

@@passarovoador6662 no, you’ve got it wrong; Norman ran to Spencer’s, and picked up a lot of real cool gear and memorabilia.

[@-libertyprimev1-902]

Why are the Spiderman Back Issues always the funniest? I couldn't breathe at the Goblin Symbiote War Segment...

[@Insane-Howl-Cowl]

Reed: Here's the Thing... ::points to Ben:: Ben: Reed, seriously that joke isn't funny.

[@GreatGarloo]

Now I want a comic book starring Tiffany as a mystical super hero who loses her s**t when people give her grief in civilian life. Someone cuts in front of her in the DMV and she banishes them briefly to a dimension of nothing but shrimp. No one will ever believe them. :)

[@priceyyeti4058]

Holy shit Mary Jane's origin is cooler than half of the heroes' in the Marvel universe.

[@UncleBlerd]

32:50 you can see the EXACT moment Tiff's brain loses the ability to EVEN!

[@thelonewolfronstringer6266]

Well now I want the war of goblins and symbiotes story

[@emanuelsv]

We did it twitch. Tiff actually said "that's so moist". What a legend.

[@TheArkLich]

That zoom in on Tiffany was pretty great. 10/10, truly moist episode ComicPOP. Also, thank you Tiffany for saying it.

[@TheRealZubes]

👍👍

[@antdujar]

This episode was brilliant haha. Any time there is a zoom in on Tiff, Ethan or Ben, when Sal is explaining the madness behind editorial and writers reasons for such things like The Black Fox etc, got me dying of laughter. The range of emotions, trying to comprehend the existential madness of writing back in the 80's is, and always will be, gold haha.

[@Deadpoolzilla]

Ok, that that idea for the Goblin King was pretty awesome, someone run this by Donny Cates at once

[@matiasmendoza9274]

I just pitched my war of the Avatars, where we find out that every marvel hero is an avatar of some sort of ridiculous deity

[@ComicCrossing]

Actually dont do that. Writers cant legally look at story ideas from other people or else they can get in trouble in the future. If he happens to read that idea it basically ensures that Donny Cates can legally never do anything similar to that story.

[@matiasmendoza9274]

@@ComicCrossing But if the writer contacts that person in the first place and ask for permission and then agrees to give credit to the one that came up with the idea, would it be ok?

[@ComicCrossing]

@@matiasmendoza9274 they would just tell you "no I cant legally hear any of your ideas. So thanks but no thanks".

[@shockout2020]

Secret Goblin/Symbiote war now has to happen

[@dlvnmedia]

There is only one Goblin King and his name is Jareth and he looks like David Bowie.

[@jonathanshaw9704]

Who else is hyped for possible Symbiote action in Spider-Man 2 (PS4)?

[@bigevil1001]

No Eddie. No Venom

[@hapokas112]

@@bigevil1001 Maybe Harry Osborn becomes Venom like in the Ultimate Spider-man cartoon.

[@hapokas112]

@Super JLK I agree.

[@victor6620]

Wow! Fun fact, I own that book! I got it at a Goodwill along with a bunch of solo Spider-Man books, it's what made me actually start reading comics! This should be great.

[@darkness988]

I wasn't sure initially but just confirmed, it is in fact a local thing. When making the joke about dialing 4 until Reed Richards picks up, we have a commercial that runs here in Sacramento, CA, that's "Dial 444-4444. That's all fours, for legal help." And thought that's what the joke was going to be, initially. Should've figured it was a local thing. Not particularly funny, but amusing. This lawyer chick totally has what the Fantastic Four's number should, and would be.

[@c_malla4916]

Yeah, it's also the phone number for a taxi service here in Gateshead, England. And honestly? Their service would be ten times better if the Thing was the driver

[@Darkgreenfangirl]

As a big MJ fan it makes me happy tp finally know her backstory! Awesome video as always pop crew

[@Go0dTimes4fUnPro]

I actually hate all of those retcons. The deadpool and the null thing as well as the klyntar thing.

[@Exman33x9001]

the deadpool thing really messes with the peter/symbiote dynamic

[@TheMannyPlays]

I actually like the Deadpool one. Deadpool loving Spider-Man=symbiote loving Spider-Man too

[@shayscruggs7829]

Hey knull is pretty cool

[@michaellabonte6390]

I just prefer the ultimate universe version anyway. Makes venoma story personal to Peter and not just a story line that any superhero could have with an alien suit

[@orangepalette8264]

We've had the spiderverse, and we've had the venomverse, now get ready for: The Goblinverse

[@BobbyNewb]

You just took me back. that was such a great era. Spidey was fighting street-level villains (as it should be), the various nods to ongoings in other books (Thor's Cask of Ancient Winters, Inferno, Scourge, etc)...the mystery of the Hobgoblin, the coolness of the black suit. Good times, man.

[@antgto]

I'm not even a half hour into this, and it's already in contention for my favorite Back Issues. I assumed covering a story from my childhood would be fun, but I'm pretty sure people walking by my apartment can hear my laughter. This is gold.

[@benhramiak8781]

That mj story is bloody dark. Jesus!

[@marcushamner5994]

22:02 "That's why he's the Jack of all trades"- Sal LOL #JasonPhillipsMcCandale #TheHobgoblin #SpiderMan

[@Trtevoorryu]

I love Tiffany's utter disgust for the character of the Red Ghost

[@nicholaskatsikas4904]

I now really want to see the Goblin Symbiot war.

[@supernintendosaiyan5407]

You have to write Symbiotes vs. Goblins.

[@rileywarner5258]

This is definitely one of the all time great Back Issues.

[@robertcorr6971]

The Jack O'Lantern has a Special place in my heart after the Agent Venom Rick Remender Run.

[@WhelmedButReady]

Wow, all these years I've been learning about Spider-Man and I swear I never knew that the original black costume didn't enhance his strength/adrenaline or change his personality in any sort of way. It's interesting that every modern-day take on the symbiote uses those tropes. I always find something new with Back Issues. 😉

[@rachitmittal448]

It was something 90s spider man cartoon developed. Then Raimi included that. But still in comics, symbiote didn't completely change the personality. Symbiote instead develops his personality from host and then sometimes symbiote personality becomes dormant.

[@danthefan28]

After seeing this, I am convinced the cast of Comic Pop must write comics.

[@radentruman7535]

They do write comics check them out they are on comixology

[@R.J.Godzilla81]

Watch this, Lis(a). You can actually pinpoint the second when Tiffany's brain rips in half; aaaaand now (@ 34:35), LMFAO!!!!!!

[@nicksmyth4050]

9:45 I live in Manhattan, and when Sal said that NY apartments where all mismatched furniture, I thought, “That’s not true”. Then I immediately reminded myself of the barbershop pole and mechanical dolphin ride in my living room I got off the street. Dammit it’s true

[@regularguy5403]

*23:52* I never laughed so hard in my life. 😂

[@benhramiak8781]

I want that gobin vs symbiote thing to happen now

[@PowerPackers90]

Wedding issue also dealt with Gale. As Peter helps MJ and Gale have their dad arrested for some crime and on the way back to NYC she accepts his proposal

[@jonfrombuckland_3784]

I am upset that Mary Jane's estranged sister doesn't come up ever again

[@comicpop]

Last time she appeared was 1996!

[@jonfrombuckland_3784]

@@comicpop gotta find all the stories she is in

[@endergamez5874]

No serious. How the hell do you guys only 80,000 subs?

[@EvilRobstar88]

Bro-sense is the best thing from this episode 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂.

[@invaderjimm8422]

This is one of my favorite episodes guys, the Red Ghost story was amazing! Keep up the good work guys.

[@toob46]

I thought Spider-Man got stronger with the black suit. It’s good to know he didn’t really downgrade when he went back to red and blue.

[@jonfrombuckland_3784]

The Goblin King can either be the Green Goblin but real, or David Bowie. Nothing inbetween

[@coltondavis7022]

The goblin king is just images of willem dafoe photoshopped onto pages.

[@kingcoheed1208]

The Goblin Force makes the Gob-bo/Symbiote War Happen

[@FifthHorseman23]

Tiffany was so much fun this episode!

[@AnarchicArachnid]

F yeah the Black Fox! Miss him and Eric O'Grady hanging out

[@Sicod79]

I appreciate the marketing of Comicpop swag via clothing choices, while only having one person out of three wearing it.

[@soexcited2861]

This is definitely one of your guys best ones. Think i like this more than your spiderman blue episode

[@williamgazca6641]

The last episode of off the rack was that good that I went today to my ( not so) local comic shop to pick up house of x and powers of 10 and got on a pull list for the first time ever. ❤️ Ya comic pop

[@bryanflynn6064]

Seriously though that pitched for the Goblin-Symbiote War is a great idea and the idea of the Goblin God is awesome! But when Sal started to described Peter nightmare sequence of the costumes fighting my mind immediately went to not only that episode of the 90s series but also the opening for that show had a similar yet smaller version. But why does Sal not like the animated series from the 90s? I probably wouldn't be a Spider-man fan because of it and its why I got all my early canon for Spider-man is that show similar to the Batman Animated series gave me alot of my original head canon for Batman.

[@nicholaskatsikas4904]

Hope one day we get some more Ed Brubaker on this channel. It could be indie or something from the big 2 but would like some more of his work on the channel.

[@gettingartsywithalobster1949]

32:46 This is still one of my favorite moments in the playlist. Just the slow zoom of doom always gets me.

[@Danachew]

This episode was particularly moist!

[@Chance1106]

The slow zoom to Tiffany gets me every time.

[@margar9021]

I'd honestly read a Symbiote vs Goblin story

[@LifeIsForEmos8D]

I don't know what it is but something about the exchange at 35:48 : Tiffany: "Wait... Were the apes hit by cosic rays?" Sal: "No, those are *super apes*." I just could not stop laughing. More Spider-Man stories PLEASE! This was one of the best Back Issues episodes and I can't wait for more.

[@jacoblawson9934]

Poor Tiffany when Sal is explaining the Black Fox story to her and Ethan now thats a great wife their kids are going to be the biggest nerds ever!

[@xanderreimers4445]

Saw what this episode was and one word went through my mind: YES

[@bigevil1001]

This book completely missed the climax of the entire saga: Peter’s final showdown with the symbiote in the church.

[@R.J.Godzilla81]

The Punisher also had a sweet Battle Van, so yeah. Vans are just awesome, and they make all things better; come on, LOL.

[@yenachomps4660]

I really love how you guys spent so much time talking about everything but the actual story, and different scenarios of how you'd handle bullshit in this comic. I like these types of episodes a lot.

[@libertybitesback]

33:00 The Dramatic close up to- these villains suck XD but like love Spiderman!

[@michaelthethird702]

Fun episode. I like how you played the segment of the 90s cartoon on the green screen behind you. Great idea

[@Runge_was_here]

My favorite part of all of this is Tiffany connecting everything to being the reason the suit likes Felicia. 😂

[@bbsj86]

Gotta love the slow zoom on Tiff's disappointment at the Black Fox/Red Ghost section

[@Terriblyawfulshows]

Reed: so here’s the thing *gestures to Ben Grimm* *Ben Grimm waves* Anyway take that suit off it’s alive

[@FloorTankMain]

The slow zoom in on Tiffany is the best thing that’s ever happened on this show 😂😂😂😂 comic books suck so much I love them 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@the_rose_garden01]

I love them trying to explain the van to Tiffany and her just getting more and more incredulous about it

[@danielfoster3813]

Good lord is this story random. The long close up on Tiffany cracked me up. It pretty much sums up what I think. "Whaaa...why?"

[@luckysix1015]

This reminds me of the Days of future past, a lot of basic stories intertwined with important moments in comic history. Here its the black suit being the sentient and MJ’s backstory, while DoFP is the surprisingly small part of the stuff that is people associate the title with.

[@robphoenix1182]

When Sal goes high pitched to agree with Tiffany....a husbands intuition kicking in lmao

[@96smittyjr]

tiffany rethinkiing her life choices in this video lol

[@flywheelshyster]

oh lawd i forgot the close up to tiff during the red ghost shenanigans! i lost it, i've got teary eyes laughing so hard

[@endergamez5874]

I have to know the story of how May found Porn

[@TheMelMan]

33:00 Poor Tiffany 😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭

[@coolintruddle]

This is 'my' Spider-Man. I remember each of these issues as they came out. I freaking loved Puma.

[@alexsherel3344]

THESE are the comic book store conversations I miss…

[@PhoenixEnforcer101]

I really liked the symbiote/black suit. I wish he could have kept the functions even if it went back to red and blue

[@BBmetalhead04]

Can the Jack-o-lantern/Hobgoblin explanation be a Tangent? I just love Ethan and Tiff’s reaction to it.