Venom changes the entire Marvel Universe! | Venom: Rex

In the wake of S.H.I.E.L.D.'s collapse, an ancient and primordial evil has been awakened beneath the streets of New York. And with it, something equally evil has been awakened in that most wicked of web-slingers: Venom! The symbiote may still be a Lethal Protector of innocents in New York, but this never-before-seen threat could possibly force Venom to relinquish everything it holds dear - including its human host, Eddie Brock! Two of the hottest creators in comics today, Donny Cates and Ryan Stegman, join forces to deliver a Venom adventure a thousand years in the making! Never miss an episode by subscribing today! bit.ly/2WYvgkt #venom #knull #carnage
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[@comicpop]

Buy the first volume of Venom from Donny Cates! amzn.to/3f7Z6iW

[@BalmierLotus]

No...i already own it...

[@comicpop]

@@BalmierLotus k

[@pikapal91]

@@BalmierLotus good for you

[@redrussell2159]

You forgot the other retcon that Deadpool was the first to wear the Symbiote

[@comicpop]

@@redrussell2159 Nobody forgot. It's just not referenced by anyone but that book so it's not worth mentioning.

[@TheGreatDevlin]

Ethan's brain just doesn't handle retcons. He's basically becoming Psycho Pirate.

[@SpiralSine6]

“I remember! This isn’t how it was ten episodes ago!”

[@chisasa9509]

What a great plot twist.

[@undead923]

I guess Geoff Johns is the Anti Monitor to him

[@Deadpoolzilla]

Reed: *takes out pudding gun* I'm 'pudding' you out of business, Doom Sue: Reed I want a divorce

[@casteanpreswyn7528]

Only the 8th time that day she asked for one.

[@Brainiac1138]

Ok, you win

[@Grievousish]

Every time Grievous is mentioned on ComicPOP, another lightsaber is added to my collection

[@galvatron3323]

How many you got now General?

[@Grievousish]

@@galvatron3323 about 7 or 8 by my estimate

[@SuperCliffReviews]

Love it!!!

[@Sqoobthedude]

Ethan almost figuring out that eddie doesnt have cancer was hysterical.

[@dentonfilms8446]

The caption box on “Hypno-totic swirly eye” was exactly the translation we needed from Ben-ese

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

Sal Crivelli: Major in English, Minor in Ben-ese

[@dentonfilms8446]

@@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache And don’t forget about his elective in astral projection!

[@_PRIME_]

Has anyone else been noticing that Ethan has been referencing a lot from the Star Wars prequels, I'm all in for that😄

[@maxwellrauchut7926]

Nothing beats “YOU’RE NEW EMPYRE”

[@willmackinnon9397]

@@maxwellrauchut7926 i loved that so much hahaha

[@FrozenLavaDragonProd]

His emperor voice is really good!

[@zionharris9432]

Those movies out of context are extremely funny, I'm all for it too😂😂👌🏾

[@DWViking4]

You had the question about the cancer that Eddie had in the middle and it's funny because Cates also retconned that and the symbiote actually FAKED Eddie's cancer in order to make him still need the symbiote. So Ethan was not to far off surprisingly. (Venom also fakes that his family had a history of cancer, literally making fake family members in his head to make it more convincing)

[@halfmettlealchemist8076]

Venom is the ultimate gaslight gatekeep girlboss

[@naplockblubba5369]

What the hell

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

Reed has a Pudding Gun because a time will come when you have to start puddin' people in their place...

[@Javierm0n0]

This was genius.

[@doobie19]

you madlad

[@dixienourmous10]

It's pudding time, children

[@galvatron3323]

Hahaha! I salute a good turn of phrase

[@Brainiac1138]

But almost sounds like something The Thing would say

[@ftfasttalkfoodreviewsyt]

To quote ethan, "you know how much sal hates a character with how zany the voice is"

[@camsenses5140]

This series gives me the same excitement about Venom as when I was a kid watching the Spider-Man Animated Series

[@Sicod79]

Sounds like it is a time for a Big Wheel renaissance!

[@sethinthehouse1]

Pretty sure he appeared in Nick Spencer's run lmao

[@rafaelfogliato298]

Let there be Bigwheel

[@adambuckley2270]

This comic has been the only thing I've ever described as "needlessly epic"

[@MegaOscan]

Hearing Ben and Ethan emphasize the "K" in Knull is hilarious, because they are basically saying "Fuck" in Swedish 🤣😂🤣😂

[@spdrwrtr]

Sal, I remember that "psycho Eddie" storyline as well. "The Last Temptation of Eddie Brock" THE SENSATIONAL SPIDER-MAN Issue #38

[@Oscar-zj6ku]

I love this book, I love the art, I love the writing, I love the mythology, this is one of the best runs I've ever read, so much imagination, so much epicness. Thank you for covering it, you are the BEST!

[@TheClitCommander530]

I laughed way too hard at that "Ultimate Knullifier" line.

[@bryandiaz6597]

What I love about Cates run on venom as well is that he organically grows Peter and Eddies relationship from assholes to each other, to “respected” allies, to what you maybe can call friends as Peter helps Eddie out with protecting his son, Venom to Peter in the “go down swinging” arc and by the end Peters seen visibly proud of Eddie by the end of King in Black after they won

[@deonjames1041]

“That’s The Grizzly have some respect” 😂

[@PurpleColonel]

They should've called it "Venom 2: When I get out, there's gonna be Carnage"

[@ziggy_425]

"Have some respect for the grizzley"lol🤣🤣 i have his first appearance signed by John romita sr

[@kgaventura13]

"Oh no... a DRAAGGOONNN..." I felt that, like just how tired we are all of joker we are also tired of dragons at this point 😂

[@comixproviderftw_02]

You have a choice, Marvel's Venom or DC Metal.

[@undead923]

Cates’ Venom or Dark Knights: Metal Absolute Carnage or Year of the Villain King in Black or Death Metal

[@Daniel-zp2pi]

Donny Cates, to me, is Marvel's answer to Scott Snyder.

[@sebastien-loikntsangou-kan5264]

Somewhere between Scott Snyder and Al Ewing.

[@walterroux291]

@@sebastien-loikntsangou-kan5264 not a bad combo to be.

[@johnnieriot13]

Batman Snyder not justice league Snyder

[@superthorc6894]

Agree and honestly more grounded than Scott Synder

[@normansmith9009]

Donny Cates scales somewhere around early Scott Snyder. Lately Snyder got nerfed a lot, especially post his batman run.

[@Javierm0n0]

"Thats our symbol for connecting to wifi." Honestly, im not even mad about that.

[@albertolopezsanchez8034]

12:59 Man, i remember that story "The last temptation of Eddie Brock", it is terrifying but cool.

[@andrewwestfall65]

Knull exists to better reflect Parker being given power from a spider god. It's like poetry, it rhymes

[@Grievousish]

So we've had minimum and maximum Carnage. So what about Median Carnage that fits right in the middle?

[@jabezcreed]

Mode Carnage? Maybe Interquartile Range Carnage?

[@endlessvoid7952]

Random vector carnage

[@TupocalypseShakur]

What about 2nd Percentile Carnage

[@anthonymarciano6050]

We got extreme carnage on the horizon

[@RobotDecoy]

Shout 9ut to my fellow math nerds 😆 Age of the Geek bay--beeeeeeee

[@Super-bm5qv]

Donny Cates confirmed that the Celestial head that Knull chops off is nowhere.

[@comicpop]

In the comic or on social media?

[@Super-bm5qv]

@@comicpop Social media on twitter

[@comicpop]

@@Super-bm5qv Right.

[@tristanmaldonado6099]

Yeeeesssss! Thanks you Sal. I've been waiting for you to do a Donny Cates series for a while, and you're doing the best one: Venom! Could you do Donny Cates Thor series or Guardians of the Galaxy series sometime in the future?

[@GromitTheLegend]

They did God Country a while ago. That was by Cates

[@DanV900]

Well it’s not the best Cates series by a long shot. His GOTG run was rough.

[@jayrett]

We gotta get them to do Absolute Carnage and King in Black. Ben and Ethan would just lose their minds. 😄

[@towlie710]

Remembering the forgotten symbiote(s) Hybrid who shared the back half of all the old venom miniseries and was the first time they placed symbiotes on a wheelchair bound guy.

[@robertcorr6971]

You outta check out Steigman and his Amazing Friends podcast. Donny Cates mentions that he wanted to add Dr. Strange's cape and Ghost RIder's chain to Venom at the end with all the guns so he would essential become Spawn for a minute.

[@anthonyhudak9363]

Thank you so much for covering this. Donny Cates has really brought Venom to a whole new level. Looking forward to your Back Issues on Absolute Carnage and King in Black

[@altreon3608]

i am a simple man. i see venom, i click.

[@ziggy_425]

I am also a simple man!! Lmaoo

[@thorsday6462]

The symbiote retcon makes them really similar to the Founders from Deep Space 9, the drop becomes the ocean, the ocean becomes the drop

[@GWOutsider]

I have the same issues with this run than I have for Snyder's Justice League. It's good, of course neither of them is bad, but in both every arc is just a one-up towards the story they seemed to have in mind in the first place. Just like every JL story is a "road to Death Metal", every Venom arc is a "road to King in Black". The constant upping the ante thing gets tiring for me, especially for this long a run.

[@professorcomics2736]

I actually like 'Let There Be Carnage.' It sounds like a cool title to me. It would be really awesome if Knull made a cameo in the film and said "let there be carnage."

[@PatLund]

Honestly "Let There Be Carnage" is a good name and I'm surprised that the comics didn't do it first.

[@-libertyprimev1-902]

(Around 39:51) Eddie: Who Are You? Miles: I'm The Guy Who's Mother You Hurt! Eddie: ...Do You Have The Slightest Idea How Little That Narrows It Down For Me?

[@anthonywilson2335]

New catchline for Venom 2: "This franchise has legs...and WINGS!"

[@youmightcare7221]

Really enjoy what I’ve seen of Cates’ Venom. I’m also super excited for Extreme Carnage and to see Flash Thompson come back

[@anthonywilson2335]

100% this run was super fun and helped out tremendously when the world was collapsing

[@rivwilson9330]

HYPNO-TOTIC SWIRLY EYE 😂😂😂

[@willmackinnon9397]

More like Hypno-Toxic

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

Ah yes. My favorite work of Junji Ito: _Hypno-totic Swirly Eye_

[@LarpingGecko3851]

Does anyone know when and in what issues did Eddie make the handmade suit Sal was talking about? I don't know how I missed that storyline when I was younger but I want to read it now. Preemptive "Thank You" to whoever answers.

[@comicpop]

Sensational Spider-Man #38-39

[@MrCeratix]

My favorite consistent part of Cletus Kassidy is the fact he just changes his motivation on a whim based on what sounds cool at that moment Kill funny names in a phonebook, perfect Wait no the killing should mean something! Wait no the killing should be excessive and widespread as possible! wait no the killing is because some cult thinks i'm cool and can summon a demon or something wait no the killing is because there's a symbiote god who is super into what i'm doing and thinks I should continue

[@Snowjob109]

Can someone explain the origins of the "some part of him imprinted onto me" meme?

[@comicpop]

We're making fun of Agent Smith from Matrix 2

[@Snowjob109]

@@comicpop oooooh. I remember that now lmfao. thanks for the answer. i cant believe i forgot what that was from.

[@BBmetalhead04]

This story kind of reminds me of when the Other from Spider-man. Right down to the old guy with similar powers to the protagonist that gives exposition.

[@ray.0409]

You guys make my day, right now I'm watching this during chemistry 😂

[@haydenjohnw]

I was initially a skeptic of this run bc it seemed like he was shifting the venom lore to an off-brand, unrecognizable place (Knull). But after reading the run, the ideas are so fucking clever that I can’t help applaud the direction he’s taken the Venom-verse.

[@commanderspyder5432]

Agreed, I really like the lovecraftian spin on the Venom lore that Cates added.

[@UltraSteelix]

Yessss! I thought it would be a couple years before you guys would go through this story! Loving it

[@dlvnmedia]

Reed Richards is Pudding Pot Pete confirmed.

[@Vamroc]

You're reaction to Cate's Venom run was my reaction to Geoff John's Green Lantern: Rebirth

[@oldkingcole4354]

And now Donny Cates is getting a Spawn book in the future

[@bensneb360]

16:56 all I could this was “hey, it’s the Venom who Laughs” lol

[@chaycewellings365]

Yes more Venom AND Donny Cates on the channel 😏

[@lifemattersnot]

Love these videos great always a blast to listen to at work then go home and read comics that are equally ridiculous. On that note I usually ask if you could find time to cover Hellions by Zeb Wells but in the spirit of you mentioning minimum Carnage. Could you cover a book I have heard you mention several times and one that I really love so much that I followed that dead plotline into new warriors a series I've never picked up before or since. 2013s' Scarlet Spider life after death by Christopher Yosts.

[@-libertyprimev1-902]

(Around 1:07:28) Funny you say that, look up "Symbiote Supreme" it's a Dr Strange Venom Hybrid from an Official Marvel Game and he just straight up looks like Spawn...

[@Damon.]

I legit want more of this.

[@nicksmyth4050]

3:34, I feel like I’m the only one besides Sal who prefers the symbiotes as aliens, not demons

[@benellis8662]

First Mafty Nauve Erin, now Jack O'Lantern.

[@assassin9607]

you guys should definitely do jeff lemire’s new 52 run on green arrow. it was so good.

[@Yoshimitsu4prez]

Maximum Carnage, Absolute Carnage, EXTREME CARNAGE!! Also low-key, minimum carnage is kind of a cool story arc

[@Yoshimitsu4prez]

Also it’s been forever since I read the beginning of this run, I forgot about the klyntar being a “noble race.” Idk why that’s so funny but it is

[@jasontodd8028]

I know this won’t happen, but i kinda hope that they do all the venom stuff up to king in black. The next arc after his one is crazy

[@FatSnorlax]

I would have given twenty million likes if Ben had starting rapping Eminem's Venom but mumbles through the words XD

[@nintomdo6472]

Does anyone know what the comic Sal talks about 12:56 is called? Sounds pretty intriguing.

[@mr.raygunz929]

I’m a simple man. Comic Pop uploads, I leave a like and watch.

[@hauntedconsol9379]

Does anyone know what issue they’re talking about where Eddie loses the Suit and makes a Crappy one I really wanna know what it looks like?

[@comicpop]

Sensational Spider-Man #38-39

[@hauntedconsol9379]

@@comicpop thank you

[@michaelrodriguez1676]

I love how you just dismiss every alien language as "crazy moon language." 🤣

[@da4letterkid]

I'm so glad that you did this story I know your taste Sal and I respect it but I love what they have done with Venom over the years now and now he's become a "real boy" and now not just a trinket to Spider-man stories

[@DanV900]

Venom already had his own stories and the spider on the suit doesn’t make sense if Venom didn’t go on Spider-Man first. Now all the symbiotes have a version of it from the planet with Knull which is dumb.

[@deltaprime3509]

The venom symbiote bonded to alien war lord and than dead pool and that drove it insane and even with Peter Parker goodness was not enough and because him rejecting it that was final straw and made venom mad and insane.

[@chrisdaily2077]

Donny Cates is to Venom's history as Travis is to Old Yeller.

[@henryblack1925]

“I’m surprised he hasn’t written a ghost rider book.” Oh he did one better w/ *cosmic* ghost rider

[@comicpop]

Check out the screen

[@benhramiak8781]

One of the symbiote characters i liked was called scorn. Woman has a cybernetic arm made with symbiote stuff. One gets birthed in there. She bonds with it and gets tech powers. Aaaand then she disappeared from canon only to pop back up and die ...damnit

[@rema999p]

I still don't understand why they made the symbiote a kind of Black Mask analog instead of a Martian Manhunter analog in the new Heroes Reborn. They had more or less the same powers and weaknesses and everything.

[@TheSkyCaptain52]

I do love this idea....but it does seem like Cates read a lot of Jaine Reyes Blue Beetle when he was writing it

[@dippersichali6868]

1:05:03. He said the thing! He said the meme!

[@TevyaSmolka]

i love donny cates venom its such a aweosme and badass run and holy shit turning venom into a horror movie monster is very interesting and I never expected to see the maker appeared in the venom series.

[@cubencis]

You could literally write that Reed Richards bit

[@batsight1]

Venom Spin-Off: Venom in vietnam

[@brianadkins3880]

44:10 Best idea ever! Thanks,Ben! lol

[@Vamroc]

Yeah, I seem to recall The Symbiote telling Brock he never had cancer the suit gave Brock those memories so in addition to the physical symbiotic relationship The Symbiote had with Brock The Symbiote felt the need to create a psychological need for Brock to keep wanting The Symbiont

[@mikeread7611]

Peter Parker must be at least 34 years old because of this Hear me out... The original clone saga took place when Peter was in college aging him around 19/20. Ben Reilly returned five years later , making Parker around 25/24. During Reilly’s time as Spider-Man, Anne Weying is shot by the new sin eater and becomes she venom it is confirmed gets pregnant around this time with Dylan Brock. Dylan Brock is 9 years old according to the solicit for Venom Vol 4 #15 , adding the nine months of pregnancy, we can say it’s been roughly ten years since the clone saga. Making Peter Parker 34 at least.

[@jasethomas5198]

It all happened "a long time ago!" Whatever that means. Peter will perpetually always be like 28 somehow

[@idongesitusen5764]

So humans make the noble suit creatures crazy ‘cause of our feelings? Just let the planet have a KEEP OUT sign.

[@camerond4689]

Venom and The symbiotic universe. I like the sound of that. great idea Ethan

[@Revanxbone]

I love all the backstory coverage for this... really adds sth to the fun factor here

[@kyotaiken]

"What are they called: Children Of Knull." Cok. Teeheeheeheehee.

[@citizensupreme4705]

I’d be lying if I said that I haven’t been waiting for this in secret.. Hell yeah!

[@jacob_ian_decoursey_the_author]

I want a Hypno-Totic Swirly-Eye tee shirt.

[@AGuyWithTheFace]

Finally lol I wanted to see how Ethan and Ben would react to this creative shift in Venom's mythos

[@Sqoobthedude]

Cates' Venom was really fun run as someone who knew nothing on venom!

[@fabianofranca3197]

Amazing episode. I'll have to re-read the first trade again with your comments in my head.

[@cosmicgrub360]

Dont know if its said just posting because it came up but Eddie brock didnt have cancer and it was the symbiote trying to keep eddie by warping his memories

[@fcm3d]

Man I've always loved Venom and I've wanted a symbiote ever since I first played Maximum Carnage on the SEGA Genesis.

[@michaelmurphy6008]

can we get a t shirt of “Im so sick of Dragons!”

[@Xtra_Medium]

I'd love to see the guys reaction to the next arc with Dylan It did what I thought was impossible Make me give a damn about Eddie

[@DMorfin11]

They need to use Big Wheel more often in comics

[@IamKel-gf2ty]

KENEEL BEFORE ME😂

[@scienceandstuffwithmr.e7942]

I really would like you guys to do some Agent Venom stuff

[@aliuniversal4100]

Who was more overexposed, knull or batman who laughs?

[@casteanpreswyn7528]

26:09 when you guys talk about how Venom should be running away from the fire, the art suggests the suit is actually pulled away from the fire, look at the tendrils. Eddie's back is 100% burned from that scene. Lol