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[@Joniron7]

Rob sounding like a Villian with his value of a human life speech.

[@meteor22]

Some truths can often be extremely bleak if looked at with 100% honesty and emotionless. The thing is though that most people would change their opinion on the matter once it's their ass on the chopping block.

[@Nique1057]

I cant tell if its a bit or not but hopefully Rob never gets super powers.

[@dustinmiron4298]

Dude Rob is a villain! Lol he's said it himself that he'd be one if he was powered! And as someone whos been a channel member for a while.... he's definitely a villain, he's "Cliffhanger Man"!!

[@AdenCao20]

He’s definitely one of the dudes who would say yes when asked “would you let 100 people die for 10 million dollars”

[@fattyson2]

Rob sounds like Villains of ww2. They made great progess scientifically, and engineering and all it cost was the devaluing of human life.

[@MrExgasailor]

Rob drops a Blacked reference...and immediately moves on 😂😂😂😂😂

[@BigJJ1999]

“Don’t ask me how I know that, don’t JUDGE me”

[@TheANDRINGA]

lololololol and the ...dont judge me... funny af

[@turtleonthetrack]

😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

[@godblessmyopps]

😂😂😂

[@Hoztag3]

🤣

[@jaythegod23]

If Rob gets powers I know Ima have to take him out.

[@KLTChannel]

ONG! We're going to have to save him from himself lol

[@spasegeek9214]

Everyone seemed to dog on his talking about value of human life...using the exact same rhetoric as the actual comic

[@daysonn7460]

8am for me and this man’s already making blacked jokes.😂 Thank you Rob💀😭

[@Emery101]

@@refavaria3680 Goddamnit skynet

[@emergenchris]

@@Emery101 😂😂😂

[@rasheikbeal9367]

greened joke would be better

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

"Sometimes, innocents need to be sacrificed for the many." *leans in Close:* "Who are these 'the many' everyone keeps talking about?" *poor guy who didn't do anything negative, but doesn't add anything to society in the long-run:* _shrugs; gets atomized_ We can go back-and-forth about what's wrong or right about this situation. I just find it weird how this last resort seems to be most people's first resort...

[@deathgorilla782]

Is the last resort Disney World?

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

@@deathgorilla782 I feel like that should always be the first!

[@JasenMinus]

Bro this was my exact thinking. So because I'm not inherently adding something to the world, I should be taken out? Cool lol

[@deathgorilla782]

@@JasenMinus I think we're the fodder, right?

[@Watch-0w1]

Yes it illogical thinking. What make you think people would accept it just to build or progress society.

[@CaptainHyperion847]

It's so easy to disregard human life, to look at it as something worthless until the time comes when its your life and the life of your loved ones that are put on the chopping block. Those people who say "you can't make omelets without cracking a few eggs", well they've never been one of the quote unquote "eggs" because if they knew how it feels like to be treated as worthless collateral damage along with everything and everyone they care about, they wouldn't be able to say that term so easily.

[@BlessedPen]

Exactly

[@obibraxton2232]

right on! love his content but rob says alot of comments that make me question his character over the years 🤧

[@caseyloomis2168]

Everybody says "You can't make an omelette unless you break a few eggs" until they realize that they're one of the eggs that will be broken. Making solar panels after Vegas was destroyed was more like making lemon-aid after life handed you lemons. No one should control the life of another, especially while saying "I'm going it for the greater good".

[@ollyjhb3872]

Facts it’s all good until you’re on the other side

[@CupcakeDeity]

no one likes being the egg, that doesn't mean the philosophy is wrong

[@caseyloomis2168]

@@CupcakeDeity Yes, it totally does! When a part of a group dies, the group suffers. Deliberately killing off a part a group and claiming it's to help the group is an illogical.

[@Watch-0w1]

Greatest good sound like dictator speech

[@neowild]

@@CupcakeDeity Eh, philosophy is a bit more intricate than that, this would only be the utilitarian branch of Ethics which is only one branch of many possible ethical systems. There are others that would say the right thing should be done regardless of the outcome, which usually leads to good outcomes regardless, whereas, with utilitarianism you could rob a bank with sinister intentions and in the process save a person who was accidentally locked in the bank vault and be considered righteous because your robbery produced a good result. Now, what Mark is considering here, it that perhaps it is okay to disrupt the status quo in order to better the livelihoods of many with no intention of putting people at risk, where as Dinosaurus was willing to blow up Vegas with or without people in in.

[@taylorkoenig6489]

Utilitarianism falls apart when it's you or people you care about are on the line. We'll see Mark learn that in later chapters.

[@jackdenihan5333]

Only makes sense when you the one who gets to choose who lives and dies or else you are on the chopping block and it can be you or your love ones

[@Digitizeddragon]

So glad to see so many sane people in the comments today!

[@SuperRONDALE]

Rob had to use a different example to defend his way of thinking because he knows what he said is foolish. The people sacrificed were not dictators, they were just citizens. He should maybe put more thought into these speeches if he wants to speak on such topics and be taken seriously.

[@jackdenihan5333]

@@SuperRONDALE nah he said openly he would be a villain, just got to accept he be like many of this generation brainwashed to the point they have a skewed view of reality People who hold these views often forget why they are allowed to have them Try having the views in China Russia or even England and Canada locks you up for speech violations. We are effectively the only country with true free speech FOR NOW

[@SuperRONDALE]

@@jackdenihan5333 and people with his thought process are why we’ll soon lose those rights.

[@dingdong3240]

Rob is slowly becoming a villain

[@JohnClark-tt2bl]

Gotta be honest, you're a scary dude sometimes, Rob.

[@Famousfire97]

he is from california, so that should explain the thinking behavior

[@trentwatts6519]

@@Famousfire97 thought he was from kentucky

[@colbalias1568]

Alot scary then I remember a couple years ago

[@blitzkriegdiscord3366]

@@Famousfire97 weirdly enough I understand exactly what you mean, people from California tend to have very low moral standards

[@Famousfire97]

@@blitzkriegdiscord3366 well with all the satanic chruches and rituals being done in cali all the time its a reason its the state of mass murderers, its truly hell on earth, but covered up with the ''blissfullness'' of hollywood. the evil energy from cali is fcking absurd

[@squishycld]

The idea of removing Las Vegas to replace it with a giant solar farm is so stupid. It's in the middle of the desert you can build it next to Las Vegas with no issues. You could literally avoid all that time destroying Las Vegas and just start building the solar farm next to Las Vegas

[@spasegeek9214]

You have no clue how much power is required to power casinos and Vegas

[@YoutubeCommenter1st]

@@spasegeek9214 bye bye Las Vegas 💣

[@TheManWhoTypes]

@@spasegeek9214 non sequitur

[@SlyNine]

​@@spasegeek9214that doesn't follow. By that logic we should just destroy anyone or thing that uses power. The final solution, no humans. Victory for the good.. Guys??

[@jamesjordan7608]

Like Rob has said, he would be a villain. Sounds just like one.

[@RedCornerMovies]

For real

[@Platinum_Tugboat]

It's easy to say OTHER peoples lives are not inherently valuable, but I bet you wouldn't be saying that if if was YOUR life or the life of the ones you know and love. This planet is filled with cold hearted crazy people man, it's too much sometimes.

[@feywinterfox9630]

Yep, that was what I just posted! They always wanna use YOUR eggs to make that omelette NEVER their own! It’s like the people to say there are too many people on the planet, some need to die or we need a war, but never wanna be the first to die or step a foot in said war. “Oh I meant YOU guys, not me and my own!”

[@kungfubrandon6886]

@@feywinterfox9630 exactly lmao. Hypocrites

[@deathgorilla782]

Depends on what the outcome is. Although I wouldn't get a notice saying that I'm gonna die for a cause before the boom

[@deathgorilla782]

Also my life isn't valuable at all in the big picture, I can accept that

[@Famousfire97]

people from cali usualy has -0 respect for life

[@TwoDangSweet]

Rob, you should rethink your views on human life and place you and your loved ones in the same scenarios you described in this video. I don’t think you’d be advocating for the views or break-out of a mass murderer if your entire family was in Vegas when it blew up. But it’s okay, right? Because you need to break a few eggs to make an omelet?? You need to remember what Cap said - “We don’t trade lives.”

[@tmerchead1]

I'm sure Rob would have no problem sacrificing Maria for the greater good.

[@lilbill15]

@@tmerchead1 I’d like to think that’s not true but his rhetoric says otherwise 😂

[@six6degrees800]

It's a comic dawg. It's his view on this comics meaning, don't be so sensitive about it.

[@samakinrinade827]

The inherent fallacy of always “sacrificing the few for the many” argument as zero-sum. Thanos killing half of all life, somehow doesn’t take into account that in as little as a few centuries , life will inevitably double again to the same levels and more. Dinosaurus, if Vegas is in the middle of the dessert, so why don’t you just build the solar panels in another part of the dessert and leave LV alone? 🤔

[@loglog7]

Because it’s a comic book and they need villains. It’s pretty bad writing overall.

[@jakesteel3020]

Exactly what I was thinking. Nevada has plenty of desert areas. And human life is valuable because they are the reason why we try to make life better.

[@Drdrag0on]

Actually due to our population being linear and not exponential in growth Thanos was right in many aspects in fact the global limit of population would probably only be about 6 billion should Half the population suddenly vanish and like when the black plague reduced 1/3 of Europes population pay rates increased by about 40% while rent and food dropped close to 15% across the board

[@peterjaketalkswrasslin6920]

I’m assuming it’s combination of things… yes, they could have went somewhere else but I think with someone as volatile as Dinosaurus, he prolly views Vegas entirely as a Black Hole of morality. A waste of a space that breeds indifference and corruption. So the way I see it is that he was killing two birds with one stone. That just didn’t seem to mention or do a good job explaining his contempt for Vegas.

[@dannyingram1196]

…Love Kirkman’s satire on the struggle of humanity’s to “fix everything”, Invincible can do it! Erasing Vegas? “Sin City”, in order to make way for humanity to progress. The end justifies the means?!? That’s not Mark, that’s Nolan!

[@cornlips7247]

Well said.

[@adamrussell9389]

The ends never justify the means. If you can justify one good thing for one small bad thing, what stops you from taking it to the logcal extreme?

[@dannyingram1196]

@@adamrussell9389 that’s why I ended that statement ending with ?!?

[@Psychoman24]

@@adamrussell9389 I don't agree with, "The end never justifies the means." It 100% IS a slippery slope to stand on, but the thing is, anything can be taken to extremes to the detriment of themselves and/or others. The only thing stopping anyone from the extremes is logic and empathy. Look at obesity. That's an unhealthy extreme. On the flip side you have things like anorexia. The key to it all, maybe even to life in general, is balance. That's the hard part!

[@dannyingram1196]

@@Psychoman24 which (again) I was comparing Mark’s new MO to that of Nolan… I can’t remember who, but I think it was Freud (and I’m paraphrasing here): that “all sons, consciously or subconsciously) wish to supplant their Fathers”.. but at the end of the day, whether the means are “justified” or not, the ‘preservation of Life’ is what’s most important. I know Rob’s view on this and many people share it: “sometimes ya just gotta kill” (pulling from DC w/ the Batman/Joker dichotomy)… which I agree with to an extent, take the Joker (again) for example-the guy gets sent to Arkham, escapes, then goes after the Bat-Family or Gotham’s citizenry…. If he’d (Batman) killed Joker YEARS ago, how many people would still be alive??? I get that, but on the other side of that coin you have “necessary Evil”. Well NO EVIL is necessary… point, blank, period. Who is Batman (or anyone for that matter) to decide who lives or dies? No one person should have that say. That’s why we have the judicial system in place that we do. You have to be judged by “a jury of your peers”….. LIFE is sacred. We cannot resurrect the dead, and there’s ALWAYS a better way! With Batman’s resources he could Cryogenically freeze Joker and keep him under some stupid ultra-max containment device in the Bat Cave… We don’t have the power to Grant Life (and yes I know that humans reproduce, resulting in their offspring), so why do we think we should get to say who can stay and who’s gotta go? Having said that (and I’ll close with this), Murderers, child molesters, the un-redeemable-yes, I believe they ‘gotta go’… but I agree with you that ‘slippery slope’, but along with empathy and whatever, you forgot the most important thing: FREE WILL! We were given the gift to make the choices that will impact our own, as well as the lives of others. If Someone chooses to commit Murder-throw them UNDER the Jail-but I strongly disagree with “A Life for a Life! When someone commits Murder, their victims aren’t only the one’s who suffer, the Families and Friends are also victims. They’ve lost their Son, Daughter, Friend, Lover… to execute someone-you’re creating more victims-the Family, Friends, etc of the guilty! I’m not saying I 100% disagree with putting someone to Death, because a Judge and Jury deem this individual ‘an irredeemable danger to Society’. This is what separates us from Animals!

[@CozyKG]

@13:40 If this logic holds up then wiping out the entire human race is a net positive for the whole planet and therefore okay? Then where is the line drawn and who draws it? That pseudo intellectual bs that legion had got to him😂

[@kungfubrandon6886]

😂

[@CabageBeans]

No, because it'd only be a net positive if there was someone intelligent enough to reap the benefits. So the logic is sound.

[@israelhernandez5431]

Yea but rob if it was your family that got killed, would you still say “ Well it’s just a couple of Human lives”? Let’s put it this way. Let’s say there’s two planets one with three time the amount of the other planet. You have the power to only save one. Your philosophy is the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few. But let’s say the smaller planet has everyone you love and care about. Suddenly it becomes a different equation. It’s easy to say things when it doesn’t effect you in any way.

[@thirdplanet4471]

I swear the numbers game never ends. For example, you sacrifice 1 to save 10, then you sacrifice 10 to save 100, then 100 to save 1000, and so on. Eventually we'll all be dead.

[@markborg3932]

Yeah but as long as the person stays impartial it would work that's more an issue with the one leading it rather than the ideology itself

[@nolanmartin3573]

Every now and then Rob makes a weird appeal to fascism and its just so weird because he is obviously one of the first that would be thrown to the meat grinder if his ideology were to ever play out.

[@twistedtwistan5576]

Everytime he goes into the whole "freedom isn't as good as we think" BS I'm just like 🙄 "ooookay comic book boy who's never experienced REAL fascism there millions of people who'd disagree if they were still alive"

[@ar8590]

Dude I don’t think Rob is a fascist. Firstly you’re using that word wrong. Not every extreme belief that you disagree with is fascist. Rob is arguing a view of EXTEME UTILITARIANISM. The idea that sometimes things must be done for the greater good. In fact it’s a mentality most people share. But the largest criticism is that in theory even an innocent man could be harmed or imprisoned for that. And at what point does that add up to a significant number? Is it always jus there majority? Does that make the minority that suffers meaningless? And how does one do the moral calculus?

[@ar8590]

Also while I’m not aware of his current political takes People seem to be criticizing him of being a liberal. So like. Idk dude. Probably not the best idea to judge him as just “fascist.”

[@daftpunk430]

THANK YOU I've been thinking the same thing watching the whole Invincible series he did. He also has some "Interesting" views on women. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought so.

[@nolanmartin3573]

The fact you think liberals can't be fascist adjacent or fascist enabling only shows how little you've studied it. @@ar8590

[@HipHopFunK1]

I disagree rob if we didn’t have this value in human life we would just be machines and I can see your point in wanting to be that. A being without feeling just pure intelligence…. What makes us human is caring for the value of life.

[@samwilsonjr3515]

Perhaps being human gets more people killed

[@wwalton]

Say if a couple of those eggs were people you knew that's why his argument doesn't make sense to me everyone's on board as long as it's not them or people they know

[@thepizzaguyishere273]

This way of thinking sounds just like Peacemaker from The Suicide Squad, "I love peace, and I don't care how many men, women and children I have to kill to get it". And the whole Vegas thing is kind of like what Zod did in Man of Steel and it perfectly shows his and Dinosaurus' skewed views. Zod wanted to create a new Krypton when there are two planets literally right next door that are perfectly suitable for terraforming. There was zero need to wipe out an entire species in the process, just like how there was zero need to destroy Vegas when there are SO MANY OTHER PLACES TO DO THE EXACT SAME THING WITHOUT KILLING ANYONE!

[@kRzlamchop]

I don’t think Cecil is evil. He’s just one of those “the ends justify the means” type guys. A lot of shady.

[@syzygeist_]

Just to point out something for all of you wannabe supervillains out there, there's a reason why we don't actually just cover the desert and the Earth in general with solar panels. The heat passed off by all the light actually interferes with the function of solar panels at hotter temperatures and no matter what type of energy generating mechanism is used, the local climate of the area is likely going to be altered because of how the panels or focusing mirrors and generators absorb more heat and/or at a much higher rate than the normal desert landscape. Unfortunately unlike in comic books, there's no easy solution to the problems we all face. That's not to say I don't agree with some of what Rob says but in real life it's sadly the truth that getting people to get out of the way isn't the only obstacle to progress. We're all flawed beings with a less than perfect understanding of the situation at hand, especially when money and feelings get involved.

[@loglog7]

Found some sources backing this up but you would need to cover something ridiculous like 10-15% of the Sahara desert before it properly affected anything.

[@Watch-0w1]

I hear of this . kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZSvnaONoqqjh5o This probally explain it better

[@jamaldaboss9325]

Superb comment sirb

[@TheManWhoTypes]

That's not even accounting for the batteries you would need to store the energy. We're better off waiting for technology to progress so we can put solar panels in space and transmit the energy back down to earth. Using nuclear power until we get to that point.

[@terraguttierez2996]

@@loglog7 you missed the part where he said "heat passed off by all the light actually interferes with the function of the solar panels." you also arent accounting for cleaning off the sand everyday and the micro scratches the panels will endure making them less effective than you actually think they are.

[@feywinterfox9630]

It’s not that I can’t understand that you “need to break a few eggs to make an omelette”, I totally understand that and get when it’s necessary No, the problem I have is that 99%of the time the very person saying that always wants to *break your eggs to get things done all the time, never their eggs.*

[@deathgorilla782]

What kinda eggs are we talking about here?🤔

[@BlessedPen]

Exactly

[@Sheathking]

Hitler: breaks 6 million eggs Stalin: breaks 70 million eggs Mao: breaks 100 million eggs The World: WTF? Rob: You guys are the reason society doesn't progress. Rob - if comic books have taught you nothing, it should be that your theory is flawed. The reason why every human life is deemed special, is because if we take that away, then no human life is special. It is sacrosanct to ongoing human civilisation. Who watches the eggbreakers?

[@365black2]

Rob says that about human life until it’s him and his family on the chopping block.

[@gfhgfhfhgfhfhgf]

It really makes me sad cuz I've enjoyed the content over the years and thought I knew the depths of Rob's villainy (which I thought was endearing) to a platform for literal fascism

[@asap6763]

He just gave an opinion, your just salty it's not one you agree with

[@Dingbobber]

@@asap6763Sorry bro being okay with slavery and genocide fell out of fashion a while ago

[@SlyNine]

I'm not sure you guys understand what fascism means.

[@alcostello6114]

I guess Rob is saying he’d be willing to sacrifice his life and the lives of everyone in the city he lives in as long as they can build a solar farm in its place. You know, that nihilistic behavior is so easy for people to talk about until it means their life ending.

[@arsonalx1918]

If human beings have no inherent value then what would be the point of progressing society?

[@Dingbobber]

Infallible point. This should be pinned

[@xbox70333]

A person who killed your family has inherent value? Misinterpreting the point to confirm to your beliefs lol

[@everettjohnson9374]

God I've always hated that needs of many line, it can be used to justify soooooo much its ridiculous lol its less a line of logic and more an excuse for not being creative enough to find another way around an issue.

[@shaquan9893]

"Blacked episode" I see Rob continues to be a man of culture lmao

[@joshizfly]

"don't ask me how I knew that" .....we know how you know that rob. lmao

[@Ealey43]

Rob don’t miss! 🤣

[@johnbono2384]

my jaw was on the floor for a minute when Rob said that 💀

[@jeremiahcherry5283]

Your human life logic is a catch 22. You make an example using fascists.. but at the same time.. your greater good argument 100% aligns itself with what they were doing.. Rob.. you’re becoming a villain.

[@blitzkriegdiscord3366]

For some reason the “Anti-Fascists” of today all want to act out Fascism, they strive to become the thing they claim to hate

[@evanhuffman520]

@@blitzkriegdiscord3366 thats bc they were always fascists they just want you to believe their brand of fascism is for the greater good lol, Orwell and Hitchens immediately come to mind on this issue

[@cornlips7247]

Saying something that has a positive outcome had an inherently good cause is insanely simplistic. Saying anyone who disagrees with that statement is a straw man and reasoned with painfully flawed logic. You are getting there though. Keep going.

[@levaithan325]

SOOO... let me get this straight. That guy(chris) has enough resources and intellect to make a properly functioning gravity gun, but not enough to get an engagement ring?

[@jico5147]

being smart doesn’t help every problem people have, he stole the stuff necessary and that itself was just cheap a bunch of cheap items from a factory

[@Dingbobber]

@@jico5147Bruh he could’ve have just sold the gun

[@jico5147]

@@Dingbobber that would be really risky especially considering how bad he is at doing illegal stuff.

[@TubezThe1]

See Rob I hear you and I agree, not all life is valuable, but I'd argue it's not invaluable. Yeah the destruction of Las Vegas gave humanity a giant solar panel that would create clean energy, but literally no one had to die for this to happen. No one NEEDED to. Everyone could've lived in the end and probably gotten some much need therapy, because gambling is an addiction and not something they should die for. None of them needed to, had to, or should have died in the first place. Hell Nevada is an empty as state with miles of desert, if Dinosaur or humanity wanted, they still could've built this, just somewhere outside the damn city. He didn't need to blow it up on the first place, he just wanted an excuse to commit mass genocide. Are there people that should be taken out because they contribute nothing to society? Yeah, but it's not the people that are always pointed at. It's often the ones society props that are leading to it's collapse. Dino got close to understanding that but fell into the trap Mark is. That regular people cause the biggest problems. It's not. It's always people with the actual power to influence and change society. People like Mark and Cecil. A net gain is only good if you are losing something of little value. What exactly do we gain from a bunch of random people with little influence on society that were just trying to live their lives day by day, that clearly have a gambling problem and need therapy, up and die because some edgy, pessimistic loser kills a didn't like how they just existed? A solar panel? Something that could have been built literally anywhere??? If you want to take out people, take out those actively doing harm. If you were really a hero, you'd try to save as many people as possible. With Mark's power, he told could if he tried. Thinking this was the only way. Thinking "you can't make omelette without breaking a few eggs" isn't how you should think about people because aren't eggs. People are complicated. Mark is well aware of that, he's the walking embodiment of a complicated situation.

[@monstermoo4191]

This was my exact reaction. I love the channel, but thought it was silly af that Rob was arguing against human lives being over valued is the reason something like this would never happen. ... in reality, it would be people complaining about the cost of building these solar panels, companies complaining about how their profits would be hurt by this project, etc. It's crazy to think "no one wants to die for these solar panels" is the reason society doesn't progress.

[@d.r.williams5717]

100%

[@MiguelPimentel001]

Yes! Rob (and a bunch of others on here) are being fooled into thinking of this stuff as a zero-sum game. The only reason that it seems that way is because of the quasi-fascistic version of hypercapitalism that we practice today. Humanity developed as a species through cooperation and mutualism. You could call it "the greater good" if you like but the main flaw in the utilitarian point of view is that someone has to assign values to everything. Is human life inherently valuable? I'm not sure. But, is the answer to the world's problems allowing lives to be extinguished? Obviously not! The problem is the status quo. I agree with Rob that superheroes tend to be protectors of the status quo. They kind of have to be or else their stories would be far more complicated and deeply controversial. The fact is that Invincible could rebuild whole cities, help establish space bases, and lots of other stuff. Atom Eve can literally turn the desertified Sahara into lush farmland. Robot (or rex) could probably utilize portal tech to create nearly limitless power by siphoning the energy from a distant star. The reality is that the people standing against that wouldn't be the normal "eggs." They would be those who enjoy power and benefit from the status quo today. Killing them wouldn't be productive either because you need to transition into the post-scarcity, post-heirarchy society. I think Rob seems like a cool guy and it's great hearing his take on these things but, he could probably benefit from slowing down a bit and thinking this stuff through more. He seems very smart and well-meaning. This just isn't the way.

[@SlyNine]

​@@MiguelPimentel001no, humanity was built by desire for status. That's why tribalism is a thing. People form communities around moral values. Humanity was in the dark ages before free markets. Nothing is perfect, but the idea of forcing everyone to share is about as dictatorial as it gets.

[@darius5066]

It's a great video, but the stuff about the value of human life...it's kinda to be expected. He sounds like some of my friends, kids who grew up bullied, or with no default moral compass who immersed themselves into comic books as a form of self-therapy and as a result, ended up taking on some of the more philosophical ideologies that are often time depicted in them.

[@sanijastech]

Kinda crazy people like this don’t see how flawed and crazy their logic rlly is

[@anjaneyasreetrout2444]

One of those moments in the Invincible series where I am like: "Why would you even do that?"

[@vathe757]

The argument isn't that human life alone is inheritantly valuable. It's the potential of that humans life that is valuable. Pretty standard hero logic.

[@chara2038]

Imagine having a career explaining comic books and not catching up with that

[@thegamerboneless2864]

I hear you with the value of life, and I guess it’s ok cause we’re talking about comics, but in real life, all life does matter, say in Vegas they planed the solar panel job, they could’ve just evacuated the entire area and had no loses. See I served, I also grew up in what folks would call the hood, and when you see lost of life, in a truly violent way, and wasteful way, in the name of making things better, (WAR), in the name of making money, and supporting your family selling drugs, street life, And the hurt it creates, I doubt anyone would think less of the value of life. I think it’s easy for people to dismiss the value of life if they never seen the lost of life in the name of good..just saying got a little deep, lol

[@imarawhitaker3564]

Honestly dinosaurius's logic and character arch is one of my favorite aspects of the invincible series . like Oliver he put Mark in a position to consider aspect outside of his human experience. Just on a bigger scale.

[@blankspace8758]

Its not humanities value weighed against advancement that is the issue , its the fact that those in power making the decisions and their friends and families are never among the many eggs cracked to make that 'omelet', leading one to ponder who plays the creator and destroyer in that scenario. Its a great theory but it's steeped in inequality

[@portgaspothead1845]

So what if it was your loved ones being sacrificed? Would you still feel that way?

[@willchalloner6643]

Rob can sound pretty villainous sometimes But I’m down with invincible goal Change the world for the better, even with radical action, but not at the cost of lives Take Las Vegas, if everyone was evacuated peacefully in theory it would have been a great thing with no cost outside of culture and history

[@rem9466]

Was kind of what I was thinking the same thing. No.. there is no way of justifying nuking Vegas with people still in it and Dino dude is exactly where he should be being locked up. Especially for solar panels of all things.. they barely work in the real world. It takes the fantasy realm of comics to make solar a viable alternative right now

[@LordofSyn]

They barely work in the real world... Not true. With proper maintenance, capacitor banks or molten salt, and a good setup, they do indeed work. Their efficiency rating is moving up as more and more companies work on the technology adding innovation and competition.

[@jasoncarter1869]

But there's already plenty of unused nothingness in America.... you could just melt down the actual desert and leave Vegas standing. There are probably hundreds of billions of dollars melted...destroyed under that Vegas glass...a complete waste, even if you don't count the people. Some of whom were probably life-saving doctors and surgeons. To put up solar panels that could have just been placed somewhere else? Lol Not a good plan

[@Hammerheadcomedy]

Almost spat out my food laughing at "the value of a human life, as if there is such a thing"

[@ranwolf76]

The thing is Dinosaurus could've just as easily glassed a section of the desert that was unpopulated. Granted, it wouldn't of had the same dramatic punch but the end result would still have created the same opportunity.

[@radiantsquare007jrdeluxe9]

Nevada even with Las Vegas is basically 100% near empty desert. Plenty of room for futuristic double sided solar panels

[@SevenPr1me]

Invincible is such a thought provoking comic. Really dives into the question of "do the ends justify the means"

[@KLTChannel]

Right. And the answer is ... sometimes.

[@54m0h7]

Did it not occur to him he could have built the massive solar farm BESIDE Las Vagas? It's not like it's taking up the whole desert.

[@IndigoWhiskey]

all fine sounding, but couldnt you have done just as much by glassing some desert next to vegas? why did the solar panels have to be sat on that particular spot of desert? vegas is morally funky but pointless massmurder is still pointless. without valuing human life you get to using bodies as resources, bad move. on the other hand considering life so sacred as to never be sacrificed you wind up with batman-joker, you dont value human life by letting your "fascist dictators" kill. respect for life is a social contract thing, if you can be ok with killing me youd be a hypocrite if you werent in turn ok with me killing you thus you dont want me to kill you so its only fair you agree the same for me. without such agreements humanity isnt above animals. not having a pop rob just making sure it gets said. you know what folk are like given half an excuse.

[@igbomeziemichael1929]

Nah, what is going between Batman and the Joker is just Bruce trying to stay relevant. One point I picked up from Injustice is the fact that Bruce could have helped keep Superman from going astray, especially when Superman was looking to him for support, but he ignored sups and even did thing that would push him over the edge just so he could be right in the end and still be relevant. He knows that if he had helped Superman, he would have ended up in the role of a side-kick, and he is too proud for that, so he hid it behind some moral jamboree. There are ways to make sure the joker stays put. Amputation for instance, or putting him in a vegetative state. He will still be alive, problem solved. But Batman knows that if that happens, he'll no longer have anyone to play with.

[@youtube_handle_not_found]

Looking forward to Rob's reaction to what went on with Robot and Monster Girl in the other dimension.

[@awsomestuff583]

I love how dinasaurus destroys Vegas because of power consumptions when it literally runs off the Hoover dam which is pretty environmentally friendly

[@ATemplarIGuess]

One day in a few decades, Robs gonna be arguing that we should genocide the sentient clones for farm space

[@kwabenaamanfoh6675]

The story of monster girl and robot in the other world was very interesting.

[@jamaldaboss9325]

[edit :Possible SPOILER warning ] Rob it wasnt 12 years it was hundreds monster girl and robot were aging very slowly actually i enjoyed that concept and when Mark went in the cave with the glowing one are both two of the most amazing concepts in the story

[@walterg9321]

I think he knows that. He's just saving the reveal for a later story. He's just using 12 years as that is what they said for when they got back

[@jamaldaboss9325]

@@walterg9321 ooooooh point taken well i will put spoiler tags

[@spicyladjr3650]

Thanks for this video Rob, just had my apartment flooded, watching this while sitting on my couch behind a mattress, definitely helps my mood

[@sanijastech]

What happened after ?

[@megabeatmanmania]

a lot of deep philosophies and discussions in this video! another banger!!

[@enriquealbert769]

Thank you so much for continuing invincible

[@lordschnitzel7961]

Beyond Omega Level: Mandrakk The Dark Monitor (DC)

[@kinginblack7947]

No

[@lordschnitzel7961]

@@kinginblack7947 yes

[@weavariothebookbeast3652]

@@lordschnitzel7961 maybe

[@FlamesofJagger]

I'd love to see your take on the Astounding Wolf-Man. Wolf-Man and Tech Jacket were the next longest series in the Invincible Universe.

[@SoniaLopez-ue7ir]

Damn That's A Trip Looking Forward To The Next Video

[@michaelh9649]

They could have literally traveled in any direction from Vegas and have hundreds of miles of open land to do the exact same thing without, ya know, blowing up a city.

[@bradenpowell8490]

Congrats on finally getting Office Space I have owned that movie for over ten years now

[@ShinOwen2]

That way of thinking 💭 is selfish. Because you feel your the one that’s not going to be sacrificed. So you can benefit from the others death ☠️. If you truly feel that way then sacrifice yourself first.

[@nickolaibernar16]

12:37 insert Lorne from Angel "Uh, do you want me to point my crossbow at him, 'cause I think he's gonna start talking about ants again"

[@dannyingram1196]

Keep uploading INVINCIBLE! You turned me onto The Boys, now I’m an Invincible ‘fanboy’!

[@flopbr1]

"You guys are the reason society doesn't progress." Says a guy that spent all his life reading comic books and working on the entertainment industry

[@JCResDoc94]

*we dont let ''sanctity of human' life get in the way of literally anything.* but thr is a problem w definitions of what is "good". & the reason to protest, is to _try_ & make sure we dont get too Mengele-y. tho, apart for the gloss on the top, that doesnt usually work either. but do keep trying. -JC

[@MrAlubenco]

Dude... u r good. I appreciate you. Thanks.

[@dennislarry9676]

Keep going pls I need these for work

[@mycommentisinvalidbut9375]

The needs of the many don't out weigh the needs of the few. People say that's how it works but it doesn't. The needs of the powerful outweigh the weak.

[@joepellicci8518]

This doesn’t make sense because if they had just glasses a totally unpopulated area they could’ve done the solar panels and killed nobody so ultimately the loss of Las Vegas is just a huge loss

[@nobingnobs8748]

the other point of dino was that the city was a massive drain on the area with nothing to return. thats why he chose it

[@devilhulk6898]

This is getting better and better

[@lavuntecolquitt]

Hahaha this was crazy good and just hearing it from your prospective made it EVEN better

[@bboye.musical9349]

I agree that the needs of many outweigh the needs of the few BUT since we are all living beings, our general basic needs are the exact same. So the flippancy of devaluing and essentially wasting human life is both lazy, callous and sloppy. Lives HAVE to be inconvenienced but not straight up lost

[@marvinellis7221]

Opening scene of a BLACKED episode...... for the folks that get the joke, All Hail Rob. I dub the KING of interwebs comedy for the day! 👏

[@mac4118]

Who wouldn’t get that…

[@studiomansion7942]

@@mac4118 The Amish. 🤷‍♂️

[@aimmingo]

@@mac4118 prudes who don't enjoy a quality interracial film!

[@Rice_Cassidy]

Rob has said he is a straight up villain. This is nothing new.

[@nic4573]

I missed these!

[@Ziangal]

In this combination it would work better because dinosaurus could come up with the brains of the operation like he did with what happened there in Vegas but Invincible could ensure the most minimal if zero loss of life possible now I've not read the comics and I'm just kind of making a guess here and I know the stories already concluded long ago but that just seems a reasonable course

[@cameronh1856]

Please cover Universe X and Paradise X. I loved the original Earth X story you covered and would love to see you cover it's sequels.

[@thesnipingspider3852]

I LOVE HOW GOOD THE ARTSTYLE HAS GOTTEN

[@thetuggiefresh5599]

You totally glasses over the fact that while it was 12 years on Earth, they were ruling the Flaxan Dimension for thousands of years, so when Rolex and MG return they are literally thousands of years old.

[@TheSvmurai]

I remember the Rex twist. That threw me for a loop for MONTHS

[@brutalbeard9441]

Is there any reason Las Vegas had to be destroyed to make the solar farm? I feel like "can't make an omelette" is a thin excuse if there's absolutely no reason those eggs had to break X-D

[@vityotron607]

Just got Tech Jacket from the local comic shop. Enjoying it so far.

[@galavantgambitgaming]

"Dnt ask me how ik that. Dnt judge me "😂😂😂😂😂 rob is a trip n a half

[@izack367]

isn't the meaning of being a superhero is to value and protect every single life? "your the reason why society doesn't progress" says the dude sitting in his room with A computer capable to simulate real life physics without dropping a sweat and internet connection of upto 50+mbps talking to the world about progress lol ironic ain't it? and every life matters because everyone has a potential to contribute to the society and it's growth even dictators, FYI do u guys know the bad guy from WW2 jumpstarted many modern day technologies that we use today. I'd rather walk with my people then use them as a steping stone to be above them

[@gfhgfhfhgfhfhgf]

I'm here for comics explained, not Rob's sketch morality explained

[@z0ned_out]

It's been soo long since I've read this comic that watching your vids are really exciting 😅😆

[@moderndaymidas]

7am video drop?? On a Sunday?! Nice

[@captain7263]

Sacrifice only works if your part of it. If you have an ideology of sacrificing others for the greater good you yourself have to be part of the Sacrifice. Humans are a chain. My family have people they love that I don't care about but I know they love them which makes me care for them, those people care about others & so on & so on. We are all connected thats why any loss of life for me no matter how distant still matters to me.

[@trevorghalt1881]

Wait a minute, if Rob was the president would he be Funny Valentine

[@blobofmeatwhoexist8460]

Nah, more like dio or pucci esque because funny valentine has extreme patriotism that he will never sacrifice america even if it will doom the earth while rob wouldn't have a problem sacrificing people no matter the nationality as long the end justifies it enough

[@brandonnance4209]

Bruh!! The Black episode reference had me rolling on the floor at work, while I m listening to this. Good stuff Rob!!! 😂😂😂😂

[@clos975]

The funny part is that because of Las Vegas using up as much energy as it does, they built the worlds largest solar powered power grid just outside of Vegas next to Boulder Nevada.

[@goldenaries0860]

The logic totally checks out: if the benefit of a given action is greater than the sacrifice - then overall it would be a good thing. However, the issue is that Vegas didn’t need to be nuked with all of the citizens inside it. They could have evacuated the city just as easy and then glassed everything and the end result would probably be the same. Sure, some people would have to move, others wouldn’t be able to gamble - but the benefit would still be present. However, until one has made a violation befitting the stripping of their value as a living, sentient, being - sacrifice isn’t necessary. If I asked every commenter here to shoot a total stranger in the face for a confirmed $5,000,000, I’m sure some of them would. Who would pass up living in comfort for nearly their whole lives as the sacrifice of one person? This however doesn’t take into account he persona circumstances. What if told he they were a child? Pregnant? Poor and homeless? Perhaps even a multi-millionaire themselves. What if I gave them the chance to plead for their lives? What if they wouldn’t say a single word? What if I gave the gun to someone else and just gave you the go to shoot do not shoot? Why if it was your wife? Husband? What if instead of a load of cash it was to save the world as we knew it? There are too many factors involved to say, and in all these scenarios the value of the individual changes based on the perspective of the one pulling the trigger. I see them as a person, until I’m aware they’ve done some sort of unbelievably horrid - something they’ve done to make me perceive them as less than, or no longer human. Kinda like dictators, or those who have committed genocide. Aside from that? I probably wouldn’t pull the gun. The philosophy of the subject is exceedingly nuanced, and the conclusion jumped to in this video is one I’m assuming where said nuance had to be overlooked for the sake of keeping the video’s production and release. Regardless of that fact, Rob definitely would end up having me as an arch-nemesis in the future. I’d totally be going all Lex Luthor on him.

[@guillotinegaming955]

Love this invincible review.. Just gotta add that protesting gave us the 8 hour day,min wage and the 40 hour work week. Protesting in large numbers work.

[@CD-zd6zr]

Part of that was also assisted by moguls like Ford, because they realized that if people don't have time off, they can't buy the things that the companies were making.

[@brianb99]

Bus boycotts and civil rights protests seemed to work. Homeboy is way off on that one...

[@MrReckless1978]

You mean like what Burn Loot Murder Wtf did that accomplish??? Nothing.

[@brianb99]

@@MrReckless1978 that is what the magat crowd did, yes.

[@scorpiolyfeofdre13]

11:00 - 11:08, with the whole turning into a black scene fuuucking killed me, that was a good one lmao

[@ZulatobariGreatforge]

That last bit, about Superman not improving lives and stuff. I just can't get behind that. Are their lives not better from... you know, not being DEAD!? Superman isn't going to give them a bunch of money, or a free house. But as long as their alive? Its on *them* to rise to the top and succeed. More then that? He inspires people to be better then themselves, to rise to their goals and aspirations. I promise you that if Superman, as he's written in the last several decades was real? There would be so many people who thank Superman for turning their lives around. For inspiring them to achieve better in their life. People who did go from rags to riches.

[@Big_Pants_]

Rob kinda sounding like a fascist dictator talking about fascist dictators

[@royeltheroyal]

I think Rob might be going down a dark path. His arguments on human life are starting to sound real totalitarian-ish. I'm happy folks are not straight up agreeing with him

[@evangelosalexiou3605]

Hey Rob, love you my man, can I humbly request you something? Can you also make a video about Invincible for at least the 16th Volume? I really don't want to stop seeing your commentary on the story, also it really is a great comic

[@D-OveRMinD]

Alright, I knew it. Rob is just Ozymandias in disguise.