Wolverine vs Cyclops/The X-Men Civil War (X-Men: Schism)

[@sunriser8450]

The X-Men always matter Rob. People will always be interested in X-Men stuff so please do more X-Men related content

[@brainglow_lightbright]

Bubble Buddy 👌

[@maosama3695]

what is this x-men you talk about? sounds like a function. kidding aside i do love x-men alot of 90's kid were introduced to comics through x-men. and it's funny that now they are doing as story like schism. back in my playground days either you side with scott or logan. and most of the time i love logan more than scott but in schism story line i side with scott, they were hunted down to all most extinction pushed outside their homes did the avengers helped? did the inhumans helped? did the shield help? no. either you fight back on your own or continue charles failing dream.

[@dogico]

Lockjaw Over my fucking dead body lol. X Men all day.

[@THEkoloco9]

🔥 ✊

[@projectOMA]

Unless the comic is solely about a crappy X-man like Jubilee

[@techniquerules]

With the amount of times humanity's secretly had a "kill all mutants" button and used it can anyone seriously say magneto is wrong, what's this the 100th genocide attempt?

[@captainmarvelous7678]

techniquerules lol nope. #Cyclopswasright

[@HeilRay]

Captain Marvelous Magneto was right, Cyclops was just righter, Xavier is an old man living in his own crazy little world while his people are being wiped out....sometimes by his own action.

[@DragonoftheDarknessFlame]

Magneto has always been right

[@maosama3695]

he was, it's time to fight back! where were the avengers when mutant-kind were hunted down like dogs? where were the shield when governments rounded mutants up to be killed off? fuck them all #magnetodidnothingwrong.

[@absolutelynologic8099]

Mao Sama he did aim nukes at earth though...

[@milosradmilac8911]

I just loved the idea of Wolverine running a school for mutants- like Proffessor X. The worst student carries on the legacy, the best student betrays it. It's kind of poetic, and has a lot of layers of fall and redemption to it. Plus the whole thing is helped by excellent writing by Jason Aaron on the Wolverine and the X-men title, which is still one of my favourites...

[@austincole7286]

Wolverine: you cant teach teenagers to be soldiers! Cyclops: you mean like Xavier did? Wolverine: *sweats*

[@AlbertoMartinez765]

I know what a Fkin hypocrite....

[@303Thatoneguy]

Austin Cole but they aren’t really soldiers though...

[@GraphicNexus]

if u create a school for mutants teach them to use they're powers put them on a jet and send them on missions what do you call them then

[@stackin_presents2782]

Poke'mon Trainer Chri$$$ 303 THEYVE FOUGHT GOVERNMENT ROBOTS

[@303Thatoneguy]

GraphicNexus a peacekeeping force...

[@blitzvg9975]

I definitely want Rob to cover older X-Men stories (maybe start with Morrison's New X-Men?) I'm trying to get into X-Men and would love Rob to help me along

[@dogico]

For people who want to get into contemporary X Men stories Morrison's run is a good starting point. If you really like Cyclops though, Whedon's Astonishing X Men run is also really good. To me, my X Men!

[@pious83]

2001 is old?????

[@CButtonshaw]

@pious: is 16 (now 17) years ago

[@bheemalramlogan4737]

Charles had the X-men kids act as child soldiers since its inception but Logan didn’t have an issue then.

[@kap1618]

Logan's real beef is that Cyclops isn't the boy scout he wants him to be. I always got the feeling Logan felt threatened by Cyclops growing militants.

[@thatonkgau5221]

Wolverine is a traitor and a hypocrite he judges Cyclops for putting childrens lives endanger by turning them into soldier. When Xavier was doing the same damn thing and Wolverine also killed a kid and he was willing to kill Hope Summers. All Cyclops was trying to do was save his race from Extinction by using the Phoenix to bring back mutants. And instead of helping him Wolverine sides with the Avengers and the Scarlett Witch( the woman who caused the extinction of mutants in the first place) to stop him.

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

*Wolverine:* "Time to name a school after a person I've never banged nor been in a relationship with!"

[@death_incarnate9231]

Just Some Guy with a Mustache at one point she was begging for it but he turned her down

[@TheTheDontae]

Just Some Guy with a Mustache not in this reality but he damn sure made it happen!

[@maxocean3789]

Just Some Guy with a Mustache, pls stop following me stupid

[@nelsonjumelles2409]

Oof ouch guy

[@A-RedHerring]

@@TheTheDontae So only in some fucked up alternate reality could he ever be with Jean? LMAO Wolverine is a loser.

[@RamierJones]

X men have always been an army. They train they fight that's what the original 5 did so I don't know why they wanted to change that narrative

[@o76923]

They're more terrorists than an army. They don't have the backing of a legitimate state government, don't abide be treaties related to war, and so on.

[@spacepenguins8939]

James Endicott Well I doubt the government backed the original x men

[@aaronforsythe8556]

@@spacepenguins8939 insurgents then?

[@jamman9569]

Because Cyclops was becoming unethical and Wolvie has always protected the kids.

[@RamierJones]

@@jamman9569 how ? They were getting attacked and literally have the training and powers to stop itn

[@mastahbruce4704]

You do know Cyclops doesn't need to melt the adamantium. He could generate enough force to break it. He blew wolverines hand clean off in Age of Apocalypseso I wouldn't say he's fighting a losing battle. He definitely has the means to put Wolverine down

[@GUNDAMSTARX]

Always felt like this was the equivalent to the Batman/Superman fight or sometimes rivalry. It feels out of place a lot and makes one person look like a fool. Unfortunately, to me anyway, it was definitely Wolverine. His actions held some ground until he decided to blow up an island and go off on Cyclops. Scott and Logan are friends. They drink, fight, grieve, and sometimes lose together. I don't understand why THAT's so hard to understand. Sigh, editors.

[@maverickopinions3709]

Yaaasssss!!! You should do more X-Men Rob! This was an epic story, & the whole reason for the rift between Cyclops & Wolverine, which led to the fracturing of the X-Men into two factions, with two diverging philosophies. Awesome!

[@Belowone]

it just hit me that Captain America has never cared or acknowledge Mutants and Mutant Rights, until AvX but through the history of captain america and the MC universe he really didnt do much for mutants, when the Mutant registration act happen, where was he too fight for the freedom for mutants??? but he sure helped his fellow super humans and citizens and fought for their rights when the Super Human Registration Act came. hoolllyy shit man. this some unspoken symbolism of how we deal with race and having rights here in america.

[@Killinemkid]

Doom Santana That's why the mutants didn't consult their "allies" in IvX, they just went in and crushed their enemies.

[@AifDaimon]

Doom Santana very valid point.. Cpt America stands for the BASELINE HUMANS, but NOT THE MUTANTS!!!!

[@Skybaby79]

what part of "Liberty and justice for all" did you people miss?

[@furyberserk]

Yeah! It's almost as if you figured out why Sam Wilson aka Falcon Captain America failed by trying to... promote.... You know what. Nvm. Captain America shouldn't have taken this long. Even Reed thought good of the mutants at some points.

[@AifDaimon]

Lockjaw true enough..

[@thomaswelbourn55]

The best thing about this is that neither was wrong, you can see both sides to the argument, and that is what made it such a great conflict. Personally I side with Cyclops, this is what he's grown up doing, for Wolverine to see it that he's never been in a true conflict is wrong, Cyclops has been through this his entire life, he has to train them and prepare them incase anything ever happens, he's thinking ahead. Wolverine may have their best interests at heart though, let kids be kids, he wants them to have a chance at normality, but let's face it, that can't happen. Neither of them are wrong, but neither are right.

[@thatonkgau5221]

Ain't that the truth ever since these kids got there mutant powers they've been targeted by giant killer robots and mutant hating assassin's. They lost the right to be normal kids a long time ago, they now need to be soldiers to survive.

[@lex_rodriguez]

Cyclops is right and that's just the sad truth of their reality. Wolverine was being short sighted, especially since he didn't stop to think that Charles did the same thing with the first class.

[@Mrinternasional]

You should do more Cyclops themed stories

[@CornBreadtm1]

Post AvX Uncanny X-Men stories would be cool.

[@COLBYtheDRAGON]

NO

[@dogico]

I know some of the X Men comics haven't all been stellar the last 10ish years but I've really enjoyed Scott's character arc during that time period. He's exemplified what a leader should be; someone who makes the hard choices that may make him unpopular but ultimately helps his people. #CyclopsWasRight

[@YoshiLupus]

samuel Perez I agree. Cyclops is the goat.

[@54m0h7]

I agree. Not because I think he's better, but because the main streams seem to be way more in love with Wolverine and give him a lot of coverage. I mean, he cool and all, but I feel like Wolverine's been done to death.

[@BluntWeiser]

Awesome, thanks for covering this.

[@lamarjohnson1981]

Rob - Keep making this top tier content. We appreciate it.

[@Appreciate83]

hey Rob can you cover messiah war and messiah complex? I can not find any on one KZbin that has done that arc.

[@DavidoffProductions]

Daaaaamn Rob, back at it again

[@vastk783]

Emma frost might as well not wear anything at this point... xD

[@K8theKind]

This broke my heart, thanks for covering these for my friends who want to know!

[@cquiroz7874]

One kid genius in the Hellfire club is cool. A bunch of them makes it more like a Saturday Morning Cartoon-esque idea.

[@mrnix1001]

Wow. This is probably my favorite video to date. I think maybe it had to do with the length; it seemed to have covered more than most videos do. Regardless, great f*ing job, Rob!

[@GamerGhostRider]

How the f they managed to take down Colossus, Emma, Iceman, Namor AND Magneto!?

[@brooklynborn]

Flavio Alves yeah that had me scratching my head too

[@garciab677]

The hellfire club used some alien tech that gets attached into a persons head and basically puts them out

[@toluwalase1044]

They could throw pure magnesium dust at Namor then set him a light . After he's incapacitated bind him in carbonadium rings laced with pure magnesium. Then keep him in a container and set the inside a light. Fire a gun that encases Emma frosts head with the same metal magnetos helmet is made of then just tase her while she's confused. If she goes into her diamond form stab her in the thigh with an anti-metal knife the shock will force her out of her diamond form then tase her again. Simply magnetise Colossus nearly pulling him apart then electrocute him forcing him to revert back to his human form. If not you could freeze him to -75°C then break his arms and legs of his body like glass. Or stab him with an anti-metal blade laced with General Anaesthesia. Snipe him with a plastic bullet laced with General Anaesthesia, with a plastic gun. I just realised I'm quite good at thinking about how to take out superheroes.

[@GamerGhostRider]

Toluwalase 104 Yeah, sounds easy in theory, but not when comes to reality. When half of this is been putting to work, Magneto or Emma could simply take'em down. Besides that, Magneto doesn't control only metal, he can control the full magnetic soectrum, wich basically means that he can manipulate any polar substance (like water) and etc. There's simply no way that they would be able to do that and lost to an teenager, it's just plot, i guess

[@GamerGhostRider]

Brandon Garcia Silly, hahaha

[@ThePERFECTdiary]

1.1 million YO IM SO FUCKIN PROUD OF YOU MAN YOUR MAKIN LEAPS FROM WHERE YOU STARTED WOW

[@COLBYtheDRAGON]

ONE OF MY FAVORITE STORIES THANKS ROB YOURE THE GOAT

[@DrFate-dd7ek]

Rob your videos are the only ones I always like just to help you out cause you're cool

[@FlakoFlow87]

i LOVED this story... funny i read this again the other day and you do a video for it, lol. kinda upset you didnt mention the most touching line cyclops told wolverine, "Jean never loved you you know.." that line alone (for someone readin xmen for decades) touched my heart.. now you neeed to do videos on wolverine and the x men, and uncanny xmen!

[@TheShadowchiefstudio]

Holy crap, I remember reading these stories and a few others from around this time through Marvel UK's collector's edition, this story may not be too special to anyone else, but this was one of my first major steps into buying comics by issue and means a lot to me. I'd loce to see you cover more stories of the XMen from around the time

[@7142320]

I'm an xmen fan but it's so hard. I read comics for escapism but the xman are so depressing. They are forever fighting a losing battle and the sad thing is that that's their story..

[@ddavis8988]

One of the best and most impactful xmen stories of the most recent 17 years.

[@HaddaClu]

Who the heck would have thought that Wolverine of all people would be the voice of reason.

[@MichaelKekara]

Rob bro this is one hell of a story good work homie

[@victorgonzalez2927]

As a Marine Vet I side with Wolverine. It is never okay to use children soldiers. Anyone arguing otherwise should sign up and serve in the military first then get back to me.

[@totem91]

Messiah Complex is one of the best written stories of all time, period. Not talking about just comic books. Rob, you should really do a Hope Summers' story, all the way from her birth up to the prelude to schism. This was good, but it just glossed over the best story.

[@dexterlaboratory6326]

2:19 Q the fake laugh. Always Gotta have the fake chuckles at least one time in each video.

[@KyserMont]

Yo you about to get hella views in the next few weeks

[@chriscollen6543]

The X-Men were always my favorite growing up. I stopped reading regularly in the late 90s/early 2000s so it's really awesome to find out what they've been up to since.

[@thomasryan6240]

Cyclops lobbed off Wolverine's hand in AGE OF APOCALYPSE.

[@flashlight2]

Thank you for doing this video, Rob @comicsexplained. That being said, I want you to know that I am very disappointed that you did not say "yeah" at the end of this video. We need the "yeah", Rob! But again thank you for all you do. #yeahnexttime.

[@GopherChomper]

I agree with everyone else in the comics. Average X-Men stories are more interesting than the best stories of other characters. That’s how just naturally popular and relatable they are

[@nicholaslazala758]

Rob, please cover all that stuff! The one shot and the Cyclops and Wolverine schools.

[@lammy8967]

Nice work! I really enjoy all your videos and they have enlightened me. So nicely made and good voice!

[@XYZRobZombie]

I have a question: Isn't Scott basically a child soldier himself? i mean the x-men at first were all teenagers fighting monsters of the week and magneto. from his perspective he's not asking her to do anything he hasn't done for several several years. While i agree with wolverine i do want to say... ' uh dude, do you not understand how the x-men work?"

[@pious83]

It's called "lazy writing".

[@supoa9489]

XYZRobZombie Forced writing for inner conflict

[@alexvalentin4969]

Loved that you covered this!! I grew up with the X-Men!! I have X-Men #1 with Jim Lees amazing cover art!! I say DO MORE X-MEN!!!

[@jordonnelson7980]

I'm finally watching this now! Just noticed this was posted on my birthday!

[@pious83]

17:48 Pretty sure that is *EXACTLY* what Xavier did. Which makes Wolverine wrong and a massive hypocrite.

[@emiliorivas5832]

I feel like this video should be in the X-Men Playlist

[@dannyblack8704]

Your voice puts me in a good mood 😁

[@bobrob6629]

Jeez if this be done more realistically ..: Cyclops beam once hit Wolvie would give Cyke enough time to finish him off by ripping his flesh of adamantium bones (it was said in the past that his beams can even shatter adamantium ..but whatever) , the only way Wolvie to win this if he fights hidden in the building area ..something like x-23 done in the movie .

[@jacobthemonk]

I don't understand why people thumbs down these vids? if ya don't like don't watch, trolls awesome job rob! never read this one so thanks

[@batuhandurtas2535]

You are an endangered(or as emma say at the edge of extinction) species u have to use all your sources to stay alive and yes those kids and both kids and X-Men wolwerine just being too idealistic about the situation

[@idahoketcham3210]

Rob! Love your work, longtime subscriber. Marvel 1602! Please! On of my favorite marvel alternate storylines!

[@ragepaint]

Considering the total number of muntants was approaching minimal viable population and the number of times mutant genocide is used as a plot device it would be foolish to keep repeating the same old mistakes. Mutantkind literally couldn't afford to be so naive.

[@Julian_TheApostate]

Longtime fan, first time commenting. Love your work, man--ever consider covering the Brood Saga?

[@WickedNemesis]

I enjoy The Stepfords looking different and evolving

[@dylanford9311]

98% of the mutants were wiped out leaving 198? That means there were 9,900 mutants before House of M, not millions. Not criticizing Rob on this, just pointing out the math.

[@nookleer]

Holy hell!! You ACTUALLY say "because of the fact" instead of because like 30 times a video. It's to the point that each time you say it I imagine your mom asking you why you ate the cookies and you start "because of the fact.."

[@Mystyque1357]

Just so everyone knows, they stretched the laws of physics here. Wolverines bones are still held together by tendons and ligaments. So that would mean that yes Cyclops eye blasts should have torn Wolverine apart.

[@thedoron21]

Idie Okonkwo (Ee die-ay Oh kon-quo). Also, can you say, 'Ororo Munroe' 3 times fast?? Great video and thanks!

[@shawnberry760]

Never stop with X-men videos! Can you make one on X-men civil war?? Where they have to bust that stark bunker?

[@GameSmithPlays]

still waiting for your conclusion too the infinity war playlist aha. its been months Rob! wheres it at!! and great video once again :p

[@micah459]

I'm on Cyclops side but I understand Wolverine but he can't really judge Cyclops because he's done some sketchy shit.

[@movieblocks9164]

micah white like try and date a character who’s at least 200 years younger than him

[@jmsolano0516]

MovieBlocks Productions A.K. I mean wolverine looks like he’s only in his 40s so who cares

[@movieblocks9164]

jmsolano0516 the law.

[@jmsolano0516]

MovieBlocks Productions A.K. He hasnt slept with anyone underage. Your point isnt valid

[@movieblocks9164]

jmsolano0516 I didn’t mean that it was illegal I meant that under law he’s 200 years old so it doesn’t matter how he looks

[@Jackrabbit_Slim]

Another great one, Rob. Thank you

[@Joseph_inc.89]

I watch this vid daily idky i like it so much but your very good in this vid

[@damonm.]

Rob: "Make sure you drop a like and OH..." That was different LOL

[@BLUECOLLARSTRIDEYT]

Please cover the x-men and iron man and avengers etc during the schism event, that would be AMAZING

[@noonenewagain]

Rob let me get that black panther versus martian Manhunter doe

[@HNGamingOfficial]

Now that was a great end of the vid. I know where to go off I want to follow up on this storyline. Thanks!

[@kelkamer630]

Pleeeaaase cover "all that stuff" about the X-Men stories!!

[@kaleiohulee6693]

As much as I'd like to see some mutants and X-Men in the MCU, they really have always felt like a separate section of Marvel comics.

[@evanmiller3194]

Holy shit that was awesome!!!

[@mr.walrus4352]

Comicsexplained plz do a vid on cyborg superman's background, achievements and everything of the sort. Love your vids

[@wkatc007]

The Hellfire Club was a lowkey swingers group... Lol

[@RL-ji2gm]

Concussion blasts are just kinetic energy Argo heat is a by product of said energy, not “just a punch”

[@thec00l20]

Hate how they've sidelined Hope. One of my favorite characters hands down and one of the best new character introductions ever.

[@jmail1984]

MORE XMEN DUDE!!!!! i need it in my life!!!!!

[@LeGioNoFZioN]

schism was another nail in the coffin for a once great book

[@EatinPaste]

I've always imagined that "schism" would be the noise made when Wolverine sliced his claws through Cyclops' optic beam.

[@nooneofimportance2110]

Do more X-Men stuff please. They really need the love.

[@renzowise8261]

Rob had at least 3 halves this video idk how he defys mathematical logic but by the power of The Presence he's done it.

[@michaelparks6914]

Thank you for covering some X-Men Rob! The first comic I ever bought was an X-Men comic. I wouldn't mind if you did a video called "X-Men:The Abridged History " or if you covered the animated series. While the series isn't canaan, it's classic.

[@VAULT-TEC_INC.]

Riri "Iron Heart" at 2:30. Marvel doesn't have a lot of creativity it seems when it comes to drawing young black women.

[@dogico]

Yes! More X Men stories please.

[@aaronforsythe8556]

Manipulating heat is much more powerful than you would think. Has to do with rapid changes in Temperature

[@bnice2me691]

Keep this story thread going, Rob.

[@Bl00dwerK]

I'm down for any and all videos about the X-Men.

[@fireflame62]

If you read both series some panels are incomplete in one issue in one series and is complete in the other basically is the same panel told at a different viewpoint

[@lonzogibson3497]

Please do more xmen this was WILD.

[@freack3333]

NO, just no. I won't believe that some kid, i don't care how smart could get other seemingly normal humans to take out FIVE count, FIVE of the strongest X-men without any casualties or damages. Just No.

[@Graphomite]

Yeah, that was pretty stupid.

[@wereadcomicstoo]

Rob, please do the Utopia and the Dark Avengers Crossover. I think Matt Fraction's run was pretty sick on this too.

[@moephileo63]

I know that x-men is your first love and I know that they have had shoddy stories over that last decade but PLEASE DO MORE XMEN. You shot through messah complex.

[@thanostitan5827]

Wolverine is a murderer and he has the balls to question cyclops motive, when cyclops was fighting the good fight and that short scumbag was drunk fighting and killing

[@beniyashasama8327]

Wolverine had a difficult childhood, and his life as an adult was not easy either, he fought in several conflicts throughout history, not because he liked it, he did it following a cause but in the end many people deceived him, used him, manipulated him. You can't judge him for having the life he had, he had no choice, he is simply a victim of his circumstances, Charles was like a guide for him, a mentor, Charles may have created the X-men, but he was never inclined to use force, he preferred to use peaceful methods and give his students the possibility of having a normal life, either to integrate into human society or to be a teacher at his school. The X-men were only a select group of combatants for extreme situations. It was never their intention to create an army of mutants, most of them learned to use their abilities to not harm others or themselves, and a very few became part of the X-men.

[@BlowHeat1416]

those moments when your parents decides to name you mutant and some witch wipes you out of existence

[@thenotorioustns]

There was a beast limited edition series and also X-Men clandestine I would like you to cover those two series please. Also Wolverine Origins Romulus and Remus along with what happened to Romulus in the end

[@cluhendrix8432]

I hope this story is AMAZING

[@odysseus2k7]

I love these X-men vids

[@PhinsBlazers]

an alternate universe where the court of owls(hell fire club) plans with a dark young bruce wayne was a success

[@lichiking9758]

you should cover when scott was in charge, like x-men vs dark avengers or vs dracula

[@locussolus9646]

Very nice information Robby Boy.