commander cards we hate

These cards really get on our nerves, and we hate seeing them in Commander games, or maybe we just hate the cards themselves!
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[@gravetitan1321]

The Feeling is Mutual.

[@NitpickingNerds]

Get out.

[@redhunter9669]

Can’t keep a good titan down

[@brandonbrooks779]

Sun Titan gang

[@That1powergamer]

"grabs popcorn"

[@clurmpus286]

I love you, Grave Titan. I do wish you were a zombie though

[@jessesandburg]

The cuts in this video are absolutely legendary. You can just see the passionate rant Cherries is going on half these cards but they dont want the video longer than it needs to be. 10/10

[@nogard0497]

We need a live stream where each of them rant about cards and stuff that’s too potent for the channel’s videos

[@Supsup516]

We need the uncut version

[@Ian_Dierks]

Agreed! They should release a separate uncut series with more raw footage. These two are charismatic enough to pull it off.

[@SoojArt]

@@Supsup516 release the cherry cut

[@kwonsolo]

I met this super CUTE GIRL name Lia last week playing commander. She and I started dating. When I found out she has Grave Titan in her deck and likes that card. I immediately broke up with her. Thank you Nitpicking Nerds for saving my life from a Grave Titan user.

[@NitpickingNerds]

I know it was hard, but you'll be better in the long run

[@energetek661]

😂

[@matthewschwer6048]

You damned fool! Did you even try to convince her to change her wicked ways? It’s one card, surely you could find some piece of cardboard better than Grave Titan, like One With Nothing.

[@ix8750]

@@matthewschwer6048 He basically casted one with nothing on himself and he had to discard his girlfriend.

[@antisocialnetworking3856]

I started typing a defense of explosive vegetation, saying just getting general basics can be better on a strict budget where you can't afford a bunch of pricey fetchable lands, but then I realized even on a budget Skyshroud Claim or something else that specifies land type is still usually better because you can just play cheap stuff like the snow duals from Kaldheim since it would come in tapped anyways 💀

[@NitpickingNerds]

#NeverVeggies

[@gy_player4213]

New duals from dmc are also fetchable, cycle lands from akh, slow duals from ogw are affordable now, too

[@ApexZer0]

If I ever go to an event and play with you guys I'm gonna rule zero grave titan as my commander

[@NitpickingNerds]

I'll bring my Kenrith's Transformations so I don't have to look at him

[@m1xxx3r]

Of course You don't hate Grave Titan, You just love making fun of it 😂

[@NitpickingNerds]

We love to hate it

[@m1xxx3r]

@@NitpickingNerds but it has the potential to has the most ironic alternative usage of all MTG cards, use it as proxy Treasure token 😂

[@Elentirion]

I'm going to defend Krosan grip as a way to stop infinite combos. We have a bunch of infinite combos in my playgroup so I feel like krosan grip is kind of a necessity when I'm in green. I will die on this hill.

[@mibbzx1493]

Agreed

[@sonork]

You play single combat over Tragic Arrogance when your deck has lots of support stuff or is a voltron deck. If it has many equips/artifacts or enchantments you're not sacking them all to your own board wipe along with your opponents. So you play single combat to keep all your other stuff.

[@TheAngelRaven]

Grave Titan isn't completely terrible, but if it was at LEAST a Zombie along with Giant, then I'd see value in it. 6 Mana for a 6/6 and 2 2/2s at least isn't bad value, but it isn't great.

[@crokar5835]

Just attach a helm of the host on it and have fun

[@eveninghat8715]

Calling it now that Humility is on this list

[@NitpickingNerds]

Oh yes

[@MrMonrovis]

Humility + rune tail kitsune/dolmen gate 🥰

[@SickOfItAll1988]

I'm so happy that my playgroup is cool with playing stax and hate. You want to play many colors and the best cards from everyone? Have fun with that greedy manabase and my Back to Basics. You ramp more than everyone else and have a bunch of lands? Let's destroy them all together. I feel like commander is more fun this way. Ramping and drawing cards is inherently strong, same with combos or artifact centric gameplans; so everyone just plays solitaire and try to do their stuff, even if it's just play the biggest baddest creatures and turn them sideways more effectively. Since we all include some broad hate cards, we all run more removal & counters, so we really need to think about sequencing, politics etc. Edit: basically we're forced to run more interaction, but we're able to play with busted commanders without anyone batting an eye. Playing Tergrid or Urza might seem fun but it's probably not going to stick on the board long enough to make an impact

[@Aniphx]

I hope someone answered the phone.

[@zackkelley2940]

Humility is on EVERYONE'S list... even the ones that play Humility.

[@eveljkov]

Taking out a player is the best form of removal. I'll archenemy the player that runs Gary. I will always defend KGrip. I've never been sad to pay two extra for Split Second. It doesn't have to stop a combo to make it worth it, being able to destroy something that usually has an activation or trigger without worrying about it happening is gold. It's not even a niche scenario. It stops every-game synergy shenanigans. I'm in Green with KGrip. Two mana ain't no thang.

[@charliemarlow647]

Hey Joe, if you don't like the enchantress archetype because it doesn't have finishing power, you should give Kestia, the Cultivator a go. You can lean into the enchantress draws, but combine that with enchanting creatures to be threats and win through combat. I've been playing it for years and it's a lot of fun imo!

[@dylaneilertson2335]

That sounds really interesting! Do you have a list? :)

[@maxbreslin9253]

I find tuvasa can close games too

[@charliemarlow647]

@@dylaneilertson2335 I replied with my list, but think it may have been removed because it had a link in it. Were you able to see it before then?

[@charliemarlow647]

@@maxbreslin9253 Yeah, Tuvasa is good fun too :) A little too Voltron for what I was after, but can definitely finish people!

[@fez284]

They must be playing against pretty bad Enchantress decks. A half decent Enchantress deck has plenty of tutors/draw to get their winning enchantments like Sigil of the Empty Throne, Zendikars Roil, anthems, etc. I’ve seen Enchantress decks absolutely ruin opponents.

[@Bezoldz]

Blaming coffers and gary is like blaming all staples tbh

[@patrickboswell4399]

I blame staples. it makes the game boring to only see the same idk 100 cards in 90% of games. Make EDH the weird jank format again

[@themorganrobertson]

@@patrickboswell4399 yeah but that doesn't add can't happen. You remove those, something else is the next meta.

[@kylegonewild]

I never actually foretell Delayed Blast Fireball, I only ever impulse draw + play it or cascade into it to get its better effect.

[@Goodthrust69]

"Murder...it will be fine most of the time."-Joe Cherries. The signs where there all along. RUN BEEZY!

[@NitpickingNerds]

I can't believe they said that

[@Goodthrust69]

@@NitpickingNerds I just saw the video where Joe updated them's pronouns. So this comment makes sense and isnt as creepy!

[@boltblackjoker]

Every color can do multiple somethings about kenrith's transformation, imprisoned in the moon, or darksteel mutation. They may require you to play cards that you otherwise wouldn't to hedge your bets outside of aura removal, such as sac outlets, nevdisk, sylex, etc. Aside from that, being too dependent on the commander to have your deck do anything is a problem itself; it may just need some work or there aren't yet enough pieces printed to make it work. This is coming from a player in a very budget meta too, not playing basically any auto-include cards. Speaking of auto-include, sort of expected to see lame standbys like sol ring, dockside extortionist, and cyclonic rift here, but most should know they're rather more boring than hate-fuel.

[@brandnamepending4817]

What does it say about me that the second I see divine intervention I went "oh that's so dumb, I'm putting it in my stax deck"

[@TheAmazingSpiderman87]

Grave Titan is like Nickleback, Joe and Beezy can't outright admit it but secretly they love him.

[@NitpickingNerds]

Ehhhh I don’t think so

[@thewhitehotd1172]

With krosan grip...I play in a playground with someone who LOVES countering spells and plays must remove permanent turn after turn...so three split second is worth the extra mana

[@GrimmTutelage]

I love the auras that "do nothing" opponents commanders lol theres actually quite a few cards my group plays on this list....oh no. .also i feel ya beezy..i cant ever get my playgroup to do anything about tooth and nail...which follows skyshroud/ramp+...so many losses..

[@poutinemcflurry3544]

Divine intervention is probably the only card you can put in your commander deck, (besides maybe one with nothing,) that won’t even give you a +0.01 upgrade to your win percentage, (not counting the card that could’ve taken its place). Even playing a vanilla 1/1 slightly increases your win percentage, and this card is literally incapable of doing that, since the most it will ever do is end the game in a draw.

[@NitpickingNerds]

Yeah we have said it is literally one of the worst cards in Commander out of every single legal card, even vanillas and cards that say "drain a player for 2" because it literally cannot help you win the game lol

[@vivianboor14]

Thanks to urborg and cabal coffers I was able to cast Gary, saw Gary in half, then encore Gary from the graveyard so you have a point, but on the other hand, GARY

[@NitpickingNerds]

🤮

[@randymotter51]

Krosan Grip is one of those things that's just play group specific. If your group runs a lot of responsive decks that can often bounce, counter or otherwise protect their things from spot removal you will want cards that just go through and/or provide extra benefits that last. In this case the Grip will do that nicely. As an aside though, I run a Belledros deck that uses the Pest Infestation as a substitute for it because it themes and it scales while having the same minimum cost at 3 mana. If it isn't synergy affecting your choices, it's usually your play group.

[@leagreenall5972]

For me, the most hated card in existence for EDH as a non-blue player is 'Cyclonic Rift' ... there is virtually NOTHING you can do against it, there is NOTHING that any other colour can do against it... I detest this card, and one of the reasons I hate blue... As an old legacy player I actually quit MTG totally when 'Force of Will' came into existence - at that time counterspell was THE hated spell type if you weren't blue - then they invented a counter that costs ZERO even before you have a turn and have zero board presence - and legacy - four of them in a 60 card deck!!.... so virtually anything blue I hate and why I loved playeing Iona before it was banned... when I have a red EDH deck; Boil is an auto include.... I'm so salty against blue because they have so many unanswerable cards that your strategy becomes just to kill them before they play the cards...

[@MrMatt6362]

I never thought about the overwhelming mana lands, I'm so accustomed to my playgroup and I running some of them beside our G.Quarters, TecEdges and F.O.Ruins that we're accustomed to it! Will be discussing with the group chat today!

[@NitpickingNerds]

If you all like them, definitely keep playing them :D

[@MrMatt6362]

@@NitpickingNerds See but we like weirdo sh*t, like Mono Black Gonti Flicker and Repay in Kind groupicide

[@Seergun]

just want to remind you/your group that Field of Ruin lets _everyone_ get a basic, not just the two of you.

[@leonfriedemann9151]

Gravetitan is a great card, because I like the artwork 🤔

[@ianmcguire3040]

Back in 2017 at my LGS, we decided to do a 10-man free-for-all Commander game, and someone brought a chaos deck and played Timesifter… … I was playing Walls Tribal.

[@wiggumsanchez7872]

Kenriths. Song of dryads. Ect ect. They are all good cards. They all die or exile to 1 mana. Biggest mistake in building decks is focusing too much around your commander. Prime example. What if someone song of dryads or banish lights your arcades as a commander? You should have back up cards to attack with defender. Also spot removal. Just sayin

[@thegamingnerd274]

I played against time sifter recently. The guy who played it missed out on seven turns and then died

[@NitpickingNerds]

OOP

[@sinnaro13]

I have played against a Time Sifter. I have a friend that has a chaos deck, and the whole point is to cause chaos and death. I played against it with a Krenko deck once and actually got to take a turn from it. That surprised everyone at the table

[@NitpickingNerds]

You are a brave human for playing after it resolved haha

[@sinnaro13]

@@NitpickingNerds I honestly don't mind it occasionally, especially with my friend who does play it. We go into the game knowing it is a possibility and are ok with it ahead of time, kinda rule zeroing it in for the game.

[@drunkgerbil9962]

I started playing a year ago and I don't think Grave Titan or Krosan Grip are good. Maybe it's a legacy of the card kind of thing.

[@nickhughes8179]

Krosan Grip was great when I started commander in 2013. Nature’s claim was printed next year, and Reclaimation Sage came in Origins. Those 2 cards replaced it.

[@Dark-Pikachu1]

@@nickhughes8179 but do those save you from Aetherflux Reservoir

[@crawdaddy2004]

Regarding Serra’s Sanctum, I have less issue with that than Coffers and Cradle, but it requires you to build your deck in a certain way. It makes you play enchantments. Additionally, there are far fewer impactful 1-mana enchantments than impactful 1-mana creatures, and Coffers just requires you to play lands.

[@nerv007]

it's a surprisingly unhelpful land in my shrine commander deck because white is an awful color

[@NitpickingNerds]

dang you just attacked white cards lol

[@nerv007]

@@NitpickingNerdsI mean, it's nice to pay for the three monowhite enchantments that require double white, but more than 2 is fairly useless.

[@pauldyson8098]

Sythis is easily my fav commander of all time, not close. I've ben durdling with enchantresses since the '90s. I agree that it's a repetitive strategy, though.

[@stfinalwrath]

I use both nature's claim and krosan Grip. And yes, the only reason I still run krosan grip is for the split second, and it's for the case of if I REALLY need to prevent a bunch of triggers from something on the field being put on the stack or if I need to remove something before another spells resolves to keep a combo from happening and losing me the game. I like to save my removal for the last possible second unless it's a serious problem hits the board, and that does open you up to getting hit with something that can counteract a nature's claim. So as someone who runs both of them, I'm basically stating exactly what your saying, that nature's claim is better at 1 mana, it's still an instant, and krosan grip is genuinely a niche spell that is fairly meta dependant on whether or not that split second is relevant.

[@damonlouis6536]

in regard to elking commanders, try to not rely on your commander you, only have your self to be annoyed with.

[@JessBritvec]

I have to agree. It's great to have a lot of synergy, but you need some redundancy, or you need a lot of ways to protect what is fragile.

[@SunShinyReys]

I put fogs in my combat decks. It feels fair, because I'm in a combat strategy and the fogs help my opponents think I'm open when I'm not actually open.

[@zxxDarkLightxxz]

Single Combat is pretty good in Voltron I feel because you don't play a lot of creatures so surely it's good to stop opponents from casting creatures for another turn? Enchantresses are strong effects imo. It's the decks own fault if it can't win with a million carddraw and it's "all they're doing". I find it pretty scary to be up against that much carddraw, and you bet I'll put in some big finishers if I'm playing such a deck!

[@Seergun]

I had single combat in my sram deck and it still ended up backfiring half the time. Remember, no creatures can be cast till after _your_ next turn. If your opponents wipe the board, you're not even the first one who can rebuild...

[@zxxDarkLightxxz]

@@Seergun in my Uril deck it works because im using totem armors so a boardwipe wont even kill my commander. But I see your point.

[@Potato69]

Niv curiosity is a thing in our group, krosan grip is definitely a thing

[@Jupue]

Niv curiosity doesnt get stopped by krosan grip

[@korlash8800]

I played a game where someone got out a timesifter and it was like watching a game of tennis, it alternated between 2 people. I sat for about 10 minutes watching before I scooped up and went to another table to get into another game

[@Ian_Dierks]

Good shit as always guys! My takes: Divine Intervention - Kind of dumb and uninteresting , but if you view it as you losing and them winning, it’s the same as any other non-traditional wincon. The only difference is they WANT to draw. Everyone’s dismay is their victory! Mono Black Shenanigans - Black is gonna do what black is gonna do. I do agree that the ones you mentioned (cabal coffers/gray merchant) are more simple compared to the true potential that black has versatility wise. Explosive Vegetables - 100% agree. Terrible card. Nearly endless better alternatives. Krosan Grip - cool effect, but outclassed by numerous cheaper spells. The only deck that it’s worth playing is something like a cEDH Yeva, Nature’s Herald. First of all, you are playing a more reactive green deck than usual, so you’ll have the extra mana left open on opponent’s turns. Also, green only has so many ways to interact with blue/counterspells, so why not have a spell that shuts down combos without pushback. Grave Titan - Classic. Never makes the cut, but I’ll always kee the first copy I bought because it’s still a cool card imo. Humility - making a comeback in cEDH but pretty miserable. Expropriate - Never understood the hate. I kinda like the fact that it’s a costly spell that sets someone up for a victory, but allows the other 3 players to try and strategize together to limit the impact. It immediately creates an archenemy type scenario that spices things up. Food chain - One of my favorites but I’ll admit it’s an awkward middle ground card. Too powerful for lower powered metas and not efficient enough for cEDH. The cost is also to steep to use strictly for value. Exiling a creature? No sacrifice trigger, no death trigger, no enters graveyard trigger. No thanks. You’re absolutely right, it’s for combo only. Times often - no experience with it personallY but just reading the card leads me to believe that it turns a normal game into a “non-game” of randomness. Can be fun once in a while but gets old after the first time.

[@tildukeball]

Hey guys. It’s really subtle and hard to explain, but this episode demonstrates to me how far y’all have come with your craft. The way you own your opinion is so improved from the tone of your early work. It’s so impressive seeing y’all make strides in your work. Thanks for what you contribute to the community

[@McToasti]

Seeing how mad He gets ober divine Intervention, i would call it a win. Not in game, but on a psychological level

[@adamgarey1318]

I feel like a lot of people hate enchantress in EDH because it’s so often built as prison/stax/control. I considered that when building my Sythis deck and made it so much more fun. My main theme is auras, pick a target (doesn’t have to be sythis) and make it HUGE. I also run tons of token makers for a backup strat of going wide. Throw in a few hate pieces (deck has ZERO artifacts so stony silence is opop) and some interaction and you’ve got one hell of a party going. If all else fails, I have several recursion cards to bring it all back. Give it a try!

[@IAMYETTI25]

Constant mist is the card that turned me into a combo player.

[@jeremymajors8982]

"The fact that this card exists just irritates me." LMFAO 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣

[@jeremymajors8982]

What's even more funny is that I play nearly every card they listed in this vid. hahahahaha 😂😂😂😂

[@NitpickingNerds]

You are evil and we are not friends lol

[@spic9h592]

I run divine intervention and Approach of the Second Sun in group hug decks with otherwise no win conditions as a "Look I gave all of you gad now someone win this game before I end it." But that's more me wanting to see what other people's decks do when running at full throttle and needed a way to end the game if that results in a stalemate.

[@Xopher1222]

If your Enchantress deck isn't doing anything then you're building it wrong. With Enchantress you should be doing ALL of the things.

[@donovangratton5996]

Friends don't let friends play Grave Titan.

[@mathieubakker947]

If your playgroup plays enough eatherflux reservoir, krosan grip is a wanted card in your hand

[@riverswater5688]

why do you still hate Grave titan? he creates lots of tokens and is even better in decks that like sacrifice fodder. Every time he attacks he gets another token out too.

[@ashewall5206]

someone played timesifter against my planeswalkers deck so i had the highest chance of winning it, it hit me, then my next turn i destroyed it and started proliferating counters on magistrates scepter.

[@stfinalwrath]

My Sythis plays almost nothing but auras. it's Sythis Voltron, and I either give it protection from creatures or just make it absolutely massive, and give it trample and swing for commander damage. She has literally always one shot players any time she swings. I built it to prove a point, at two mana, it is far too broken to be a legendary creature and should've been non legendary. Same with Sarulf. That deck is brutal.

[@kingofrunescapepking]

See, the thing with Cabal Coffers is you can definitely still run a bunch of utility lands alongside of it as long as you're playing Urborg

[@bronchiel]

cabal coffers + urborg [+ azor's gateway, or any other card that gets you tons of mana] + oona, queen of fae = 1 turn full mill, and you make bastard creatures from milling

[@Blu_Moon_Owl]

May I ask why do you hate Grave Titan? Like genuinely, what makes it bad?

[@shawnt.5065]

I only use Constant Mist in my Titania, Protector of Argoth deck. I've had the card since the 90's back when I played with Elves deck. Never bought another and had quit playing with it till Titania came along.

[@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299]

LOL I love that card in my Landfall Korvold since it reads more like ''...Buyback: Sacrifice a land, put a +1+1 counter on Korvold and draw a card'' ;P

[@ethanboyd2981]

I'm honestly surprised you didn't put Sol Ring on this list. Feel like you guys are always ragging on it and other fast mana artifacts.

[@NitpickingNerds]

Yeah we definitely hate it 😂

[@Nr4747]

Beezy, you know what survives Delayed Blast Fireball and fits perfectly into your 6 toughness-tribal deck ? Grave titan, nough said !

[@kennorman1142]

Shocked krosan grip is on here. Idk it has saved me quite a lot in the past. Not necessarily for fighting early game threats but as soon as like mid game hits it's good and late game it's awesome. Literally saved the game last Saturday at my LGS from aetherflux reservoir.

[@theornerytrilobite]

Yeah that one's a pretty bad take. If split second doesn't matter to you, then you aren't in a playgroup that it matters in.

[@kennorman1142]

@@theornerytrilobite I mean obviously but conversely that doesn't make it bad either.

[@theornerytrilobite]

@@kennorman1142 Yeah idk man, I’m just a junkie for split second.

[@kennorman1142]

@@theornerytrilobite same same I was just agreeing that it's relevant to things in the group. I was just surprised it wasn't relevant to their group is all. It's saved me from a lot of shenanigans. 😏

[@dominikstickling8197]

It has also the advantage that you can be more relaxed aboit the usual combo artifacts like Ashnots Altar, even if they are already on the battlefield. This way on other fellow opponents takes care of it for you because as soon as the combo starts it over.

[@BAAWAKnight]

Humility does have great art, though. The Foglios are amazing.

[@lrunyon60]

Single Combat is actually really good in voltron decks. Tragic Arrogance blows up all your equipments and auras.

[@Shiek200]

I ran Food Chain in my first ever Golgari tokens deck because it was way cheaper than Phyrexian Altar at the time (I think it was like 15 dollars vs 30 for altar at the time) and then continued to run it even when I got a phyrexian altar, just for redundancy. The only time it ever combo'd off was with infinite tokens and at that point it was one of any of like... 6 or 7 cards that could win me the game because I had infinite creatures. tl;dr - Food Chain for me was always just a Phyrexian Altar for token decks

[@vincentplag]

A buddy got me with wing shards once. I was only mad that he got me with wing shards.

[@timgil7830]

Duly noted. Running single combat I. Light paws. Def upgrade to Tragic arrogance. Thanks

[@drmatarkin2100]

I play Cabal Coffers and you don't need to search it. It's not a must to win. If your deck needs to rely on one card to win then you're building your deck wrong!

[@felipeguidolin1055]

I just cut Grave Titan from my Teysa deck... Hope you are happy! His brother, Sun Titan, is still going strong

[@lvx720]

Counter Skyshroud is bolting the bird. Obviously you go for it.

[@9tailsandstorm]

Grave Titan in Ghoulcaller Gisa is actually money. I get nothing but value when I cast it. 8 zombies for 6 mana

[@thomasdick6797]

Specifically talking about divine intervention and people who say "I win with it": unless it's a tournament there is no difference between winning and getting a "tie" and if their goal is to "tie" then they have indeed won. So no, it's not a "tie" they do win. If someone feels like they won and everyone else feels like they lost.... then guess what

[@kyubbiman2255]

It's just more whining about cards they dont like or cards that they think shouldnt see play. This is pure salt

[@poutinemcflurry3544]

I win with henzie so often, and the reason is people end up removing henzie over and over again, and by the end of the game In the same turn I’m casting etali for two avenger of zendikar for two and just winning the game by so much

[@emiliak439]

single combat is much better imo. the cannot cast effect ends up being very powerful in decks that don't rely on creature card advantage - ive been using it in zur eternal schemer to great effect when i can keep zur out and create creature advantage post wipe.

[@stfinalwrath]

I've used skyshroud claim since like, theros. It's the best ramp spell in the game outside of nature's lore and three visits within green.

[@caseywilliams4145]

Well Its my job to make the game not fun for everyone else but me and every deck I have does exactly that makes others not want to play

[@NitpickingNerds]

May I recommend Divine Intervention then lol

[@caseywilliams4145]

@@NitpickingNerds ohh you mean the card that just makes the game a draw....ya I run that

[@Fausto_4841]

I noticed Breezy said something about Expropriate plays, that he then decides to kill them on the spot. I don't know if I'm in the minority on this, but I hate when people can eliminate players but just don't. "Oh it's too early" or "they aren't a threat right now" Dude, they're in your pod, the point is killing each other, and when you don't it feels really patronizing and almost disrespectful (maybe just lacking respect, but not quite disrespect)

[@NitpickingNerds]

I always encourage the "free attacks" they end up being important! This player is sitting at 10 life and you are looking to squeeze through damage, you missed it on turn 5!

[@dantemalick2872]

It comes down to do you want to kill some1 5min into a game and make them just sit their unable to play for 1-2 hours because they had a slow start there have been game days I'm like why do I even bother was playing a mid level deck and my opponent had a great hand and killed me on like turn 4-5 in their fast rat deck and it's like cool I just got to play for 15min out of 4 hours because it happened 2 games in a row

[@obsidiansiriusblackheart]

Krosan Grip CAN cost one mana, two of its mana is colorless and there's tons of cards in stuff like simic that can lower that to 0

[@stuartm7009]

sure, 15c for a better ramp spell, now double price cuz im in oz, plus $10 shipping, plus I need one for each green deck, plus you'd want me to do it for other staple cards. I can't get better ramps and kills etc

[@Anonymous-jj7rg]

You guys should do a video based on "Cool win conditions"

[@Cujucuyo]

Amber needs food EVERYDAY?! Next thing you're going to say is that she needs water everyday too, the audacity!

[@PandaDSU]

Hating cabal coffers because every mono-black deck uses it feels like hating every green deck for having ramp

[@PandaDSU]

Also, some of your complaints are about people playing things optimally and others are against people not playing optimally.... Pick a lane

[@Sweetguy1821]

I just like the flavor of grave titan, big dude with zombies spewing out of his guts. What's not to love? Lol

[@Daethere]

the Nerds : "gna gna gna cabal coffer, gna gna gna Gary, gna gna gna Nykthos Me : laugh in Mono Black with Yawgmoth, K'rrik and Marrow Gnawer while Tergrid, Gisa and Taborax are waiting for me to finish there decks

[@zackkelley2940]

Big mana lands used to irk me.... and then I realized it doesn't actually matter. Green can already make infinite mana if you so much as sneeze in it's general direction and black would just fall back on cryptghast/nirkana revenant/etc anyways.

[@futurfry]

Sure...

[@durge12]

say what you will, grave titan survives delayed blast firefall :D but yeah, i haven't wanted to put grave titan into a deck since 2017- playing something so slow and unwieldy these days isn't an option except in fun decks. it not being a zombie really hurts its inclusion in zombies

[@egoish6762]

My coffers packages is 7 cards + basics in tergrid, to be fair though i don't need it every game. Black market is often as good if not better.

[@lisliaer7999]

Your arguments against constant mist, is the exact reason I splashed red in my token spam deck. For impact Tremors and Purphoros

[@NitpickingNerds]

Yeah having a way around them always feels good

[@jarrodkent716]

Little late, but I'll defend single combat, at least in terms of heavier creature metas. Can give you a turn cycle to breath. Can also be a janky control piece in Ins/Sor based Azorius. I'm just saying it has its niches.

[@Nanook128]

Krosen grip is not comparable to last word. There have been numerous counter spells since last word has come out that do similar things but better. Split second makes grip unlike it's other alternatives.

[@RazgrizAce67]

4:08 I would lump in Torment of Hailfire with that. I can't count how many times I've played a black deck that goes Urborg, Cabal Coffers, into Torment of Hailfire and usually one or more of those was tutored for. Just so boring.

[@jameswalterii1911]

If your meta sees a lot of Sensei's Diving Top, Krosan Grip is good

[@maelstromcarl]

Sythis Auras is the fun version of enchantress because stacking up enchantments like All That Glitters and Ancestral Mask to swing in with gigantic creatures. Still repetitive but at least it’s moving the game forward

[@astuteanansi4935]

I feel like Kestia is cooler for the purpose of combat enchantress than Sythis

[@Spulverin15]

I play Foodchain in my Goreclaw deck, only for value.

[@call_me_maybe5760]

5 color giant tribal, duh

[@FaytVanguard]

Adding Delayed Fireball to my mardu deck, Thanks.... I missed it.

[@zackkelley2940]

Does Divine Intervention even come up enough to be 'hate-able'? It's dumb, there's no question about THAT, but 'hate' implies it's something you run into on a regular basis. Which begs the question of who dropped $120+ on a card that can't do anything but draw the game and irritate people.

[@couchpotatoe91]

How about contamination? Back to basics? Blood Moon? Stasis? Archon of Emeria? Other actual good cards?

[@gwidao123]

Hahaha the henzie thing is so funny to me, I've never played with my henzie and not had the entire table just pile up on me instantly, it's rare that anybody at my local store let's me keep him ever, so I don't really win that many games with him, I still think it's a super fun deck but getting absolutely focused every game can be very frustrating, what's funniest to me is that there are like, only two henzie players in the entire store so it's not like people are losing to it all the time. Oh well hahaha

[@boltblackjoker]

Evidence of how paying attention and perception can mold metas and even influence youtube channels into adding cards like henzie onto a hate list.

[@NitpickingNerds]

I only hate him because of how other people act in games, if they kill it more I will be fine lol

[@farty555]

How bout if there's a "Zombie" creature type sticker next to Giant on Grave Titan. If it's a zombie, is it an auto-include in zombie tribal decks?

[@ix8750]

Damn bro I feel so called out. I just picked up a Food Chain, Kenrith's Transformation AND Skyshroud Claim for my Aeve the Progenitor Ooze deck..... Lmao at 6 toughness tribal against delayed ass fireball.

[@christophwehrmann892]

Sorry but with grave titan in araumi you're absolutely wrong. It's insane. You get 3 body's with 6/6 who attack and after all that you have 12 2/2 on board. And that only for 6 mana. Doesn't seem bad at all to me

[@jagojack2185]

I can't believe Jodah wasn't on this list.