Commander VS S14E8: Varina vs Damia vs Mina and Denn vs Varchild [EDH]

[@connorharris1806]

...I kind of want Justin to go full heel now. Like he'll start off bringing more powerful decks in a bid to win and eventually he'll start sliding into more obnoxious archtypes like prison or stacks, all culminating in a horrifying moment of self-realization where he looks down at his command zone to see Ambassador Loquatus staring back at him. Then we start the redemption arc.

[@InnokentiDomani]

As much as II enjoy wrestling, lets keep it seperate from Commander

[@Skrippy33]

Justin sits down at the table. Put his pen to the pad and writes out life totals. It reads: Justin: 40 Jeremy: 93 John: 93 Stephen: 93

[@lracseroom8286]

@@InnokentiDomani Uh, how about we don't?

[@lracseroom8286]

"Ambassador Loquatus staring back at him." Killed me dead. The best part is I talked to Justin on Reddit a while back and suggested he run a dedicated mill deck and target Stpehen. He said: "I would never do that. Maybe. I probably wouldn't."

[@UgatoSA]

Yeah he should start playing more Suarez decks.

[@BenevolenceGaming]

anyone else see that insane token spin from Jon Suarez at 40:59? it landed perfectly in justin's hand that's amazing

[@markjohnston8691]

You guys should do an episode where you each play the deck that was the first deck you ever won an episode of commander versus with (with appropriate updates)

[@54m0h7]

Jon didn't really resolve the Villainous Wealth properly. You put ALL of the spells you are going to cast on the stack at the same time, then they resolve one at a time. He played his Ob Nix in the middle of it, so he wouldn't be able to cast anymore after that.

[@AndrewSchnieder]

Jon "Why are you attacking me oops i won the game again" Suarez

[@ttuts9082]

he's by far the saltiest AND the spikiest of them and this season it's shown. his deckbuilding power level + the others' bad threat assessment and more casual play style has made for some bad matchups and unenjoyable videos.

[@sjfortson]

It's so boring to watch him play the hardest and cry the most.

[@hawkeye137137]

That's what happens though when you Awaken the Erstwhile when one player has a clear card draw advantage over others and on top of that you don't focus him down(like Jeremy attacking Justin with his Blackblade equipped Mina and Denn at first) and don't disrupt his Cabal Coffers + Urborg combo at first opportunity. Yeah sure, Jon could return his Coffers back, but doing something(even if it is pretty minimal) is better than doing nothing at all.

[@c4_murloc782]

@@ttuts9082 I mean, your not wrong But if im playing devil's advocate hear (because its funny), Jon DID have the whole Apprentice Token package thing in his deck tech :D

[@jeffreygenehk]

Hey I got a shoutout in CMDRVS! I'm the "customer in Cleveland" who was talking to Stephen about books. Stephen also said he can't use library books because he is "brutal" to books when he reads them. As in, they end up with broken spines, I guess. #TeamGreen #TeamReads

[@emilysmith3594]

Varina is my new fave Commander. I made an Embalm/Eternalize deck to really take advantage of those loot triggers.

[@santerimakela2086]

Like it matters but Jon keeps playing cards from his hand while villainous wealth is resolving, and using Eternal witness to get it back from the graveyard when it hasn't resolved yet.

[@Small_Panda]

It does kind of matter as shamanic revelation now gains him more life and draws him more cards.

[@thomasseabrook1041]

You cast the cards one at a time as Villainous Wealth is resolving, choosing modes, targets, and so on. The last card you cast will be the first one to resolve. Ignore timing restrictions based on the cards’ types. Other timing restrictions, such as “Cast [this card] only during combat,” must be followed.

[@ChestnutBaron]

Every week I hope the table learns to treat Jon as the threat he is (or at least try to match his deck in power level), and every week I'm disappointed.

[@halophilicnc6473]

So jon played a land while villainous wealth was resolving....

[@Small_Panda]

And played a creature...

[@JohnnyDeLeo1]

I personally have a Damia deck that is almost exactly (minus the Urzas factory) and many games play out exactly like this where all I do is durdle and ramp then just Villainous Wealth several players till they scoop it up. I have never been so happy than seeing one of my favorite players playing my favorite deck! I love it!

[@peewee130946]

Jonathan De Leo it’s a boring deck it’s just sultai good stuff no theme no synergy.

[@agent00puffball]

Working on a Muldrotha Lands Matter deck with tons of Landfall triggers and that is going to win off of big X spells like Villainous Wealth or Torment of Hailfire. Completely forgot about Blackblade Reforged though. Might need to add it to the list.

[@YaoBao1]

Looking at the decklists on the website, personal tip for players of the Varina deck: Put Kindred Discovery in the deck. You draw A LOT of cards and are able to actually have a hand after attacking with 20 zombies. Definitely approve of Alhammarret's Archive in the decklist, too!

[@mjjdj88]

Been waiting for Justin to play Varina for almost a year now. FINALLY!!!

[@MarvelOfRain]

I also really love Villainous Wealth and this game perfectly shows the problems with playing a dedicated Wealth deck. Once you are over the teens Villainous Wealth gets obnoxious no matter what you hit and what kind of deck you target. I have used it on a large spectrum of decks with different power levels - classic good stuff decks, Cat tribal decks, Dragon decks, Vehicle decks, Planeswalker decks and besides one case where I hit like 4 extra turn spells there was close to no variance in effect. Get a huge board and a lot of value, your opponents board wipe and if they don't you win. I realized this when I was playing a couple of weeks ago with a different version of Villainous Wealth, that I tried to make not as broken (it had 0 creatures in the main board, very few tutors and no Urborg / Coffers). I managed to cast 4 copies of wealth for 10 (thanks to reverberate + swarm intelligence) and my opponents just conceded. Honestly, I didn't even want to win that game, I just wanted to resolve the spell and have fun. I managed to convince them to at least let me have a look at the cards (I had a bunch of dragons from one player and some nice UW value cards with Medomai and Greaves from another player), but ever since then I reconsidered my position on the card. I currently have a 4-color theft themed deck, that can sometimes cast Wealth for something around 12 and I am eager to see if I hit anything good anytime I cast it, since it actually matters.

[@dungeonrancher]

Those Survivor tokens are baller.

[@theclassics6922]

Making everyone discard when you have an opponent with 2 draw engines... seems bad.

[@SirBisky]

My Varchild deck is my favorite commander deck right now. I'm so sad i can't just order a bulk set of 30 Stephen Green tokens...

[@aidendon4127]

Jon. Bringing bazookas to knife fights.

[@aidendon4127]

@The Dark One I agree with you about that specific game play choice, however, I am making a more general point about power levels.

[@fernandogonzalez6228]

Deck teck ends at 16:00

[@bradwhiteuk]

Game ends at 26:10

[@ghostmoons113]

I realy love your custom sleeves! Hope we will see some old one come back, like the Playmat Owl of devastation that i mist :'(

[@createchannel3542]

Love how Kyle won and even loved more everyone’s reaction 😈

[@bernardorico8927]

Game starts at 17:58

[@like17badgers]

oh hey, a Damia win-more vs a group that doesnt like to target and/or kill off someone just based on their deck. I wonder how this will go...

[@cloaking764]

15:13 I appreciate the editing here

[@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299]

Mina and Denn, Christmas comes early, has bearded Jeremy returned? ;P Finishes episode:NOPE

[@tylermurrow141]

Other than villainous wealth not being resolved correctly, great game!

[@Crunchatize_Me_Senpai]

“Hitting someone for 6 emotionally” is my new favorite thing to say

[@krelekari]

If Justin attacked with the survivors first Jon would either be either dead or have to had played differently after Jeremy's big swing

[@jacuuub2441]

Game begins at 18:12

[@ethanwiggen3567]

rip headphone users, what was up with the mics today

[@tulius123]

tks! I was here running around trying to figure out what was wrong with my audio...

[@carlospadilla91]

Yeah video is unwatchable for me.

[@ethanwiggen3567]

It gets better once gameplay starts

[@bigmike15511]

Haven't watched the video yet but I find it great that I was literally contemplating yesterday if I should do I disassemble my mimeoplasm deck into a damia deck.

[@tomcadden8054]

How does Jon replay Coffers while the Wealth is resolving?

[@kingfuzzy2]

He can't he has to resolve all the cards from wealth first then can do actions it's like elsha of the infinite and miracle cards you cannot respond with any action while resolving the effects of a cast card.

[@saxxioxo7274]

John resolved Villainous Wealth totally incorrectly here -- all of the stuff should have entered the battlefield at the same time, and he casted multiple spells and played lands in between. The amount that he gained off of shamanic revelations is also a bit unclear because some of the stuff shouldn't have been on the battlefield when he cast it. He also E. Witnessed villainous back to his hand while it was still resolving -- I know that you can do this with chord of calling or something but I believe that C.C. is already in the bin at the time that the witness resolves. This is different because all of the stuff is exiled while villainous wealth is still on the stack. There wasn't necessarily enough from the VW there to win the game if it was played correctly, and there were multiple mistakes made so it's really impossible to tell at this point. Shame that the game pretty much ended from a giant misplay.

[@Staplerp]

If I'm interpreting "enter the battlefield at the same time" to mean something similar to Genesis Wave, then you are also wrong about how VW works. VW is similar to Epic Experiment, Mizzix's Mastery, and Diluvian Primordial, where from among the exiled cards you pick spells one at a time to put on the stack until every spell you want to cast is on the stack, and once that's done, VW is done resolving and you put it in the yard, then resolve the spells one at a time, first in last out, with all players getting priority in between. But assuming I'm misinterpreting your understanding and you do know how it works, I don't think this misplay was that big a deal. Given enough time to stack things correctly, Jon would have been able to make enough 4 power plant tokens (thanks to Explosive Veg, Nissa's Pilgrimmage, Pir's Whim, and Crop Rotation, all of which Jon could stack so they resolve after Avenger has ETBed and made his plants) that his life total would be well above lethal range of everyone via Shamanic Revelation. EWit can also definitely get VW back: VW resolves (and thus hits the bin) before any of his stolen spells resolve, and because EWit is an ETB, VW will already be in the yard when EWit comes in and thus will be a legal target to recur (if EWit was instead a targeted instant/sorcery like Regrowth or Restock, you'd be right and Jon wouldn't be able to get VW back). You're correct that Jon got a couple extra advantages he shouldn't have, like getting Ob and Ramunap in play for extra draws off Revelation, and not properly saccing a land as an additional cost to Crop Rotation before resolving Avenger which gave him an extra plant/Landfall, but all these things are minor and ultimately Jon had more than enough resources to win that game. In an alternate universe where the table topdecks better, it might have mattered, but that wasn't this game.

[@francescogulisano2917]

As much as I like Suarez (he's my favourite), the other guys should try a little harder to stop him from just running away with the season (altough it might be too late)

[@scifoncra6376]

Suarez could also tone back his deckbuilding.

[@chaosrules01]

@@scifoncra6376 I agree. It really seems like he tries a bit harder than the others

[@FacGame2501]

Justin just gave the match to Jon by not destroy Jon's cabal or tomb, big mistake there.

[@TheBonkers45]

It's hard to make bad decks when you are a good deckbuilder

[@Staplerp]

@@FacGame2501 I think Justin gave Jon the game earlier on by casting Awaken the Erstwhile when Jon had Sylvan AND Tatyova AND a commander that literally gets better with an empty hand while everyone else had next to nothing on board, Justin included. It guaranteed that Jon could recover much faster than everyone else and put him miles ahead, so even when the game became archenemy Jon could handle it. I'm pretty disappointed in Justin, who has a clear affection for Mindslicer, that he thought that that was a good time to discard everyone's hand.

[@mikem2808]

finally justin playing varina, i hope its tokens

[@HEYCrysis]

Mass discard into a Damia player with Sylvan Library in play????

[@DanielRedMoon]

If Stephen reads Kamigawa block books.. I'll be there!

[@alakazamanalytics9615]

I feel like Stephen was that one kid in middle school who would sit in the back of class and make farting noises

[@francescogulisano2917]

He won a lot of games with that tactic in the past

[@kingfuzzy2]

Right on

[@EvilM0nkeyRules]

Them Mic spikes are so fun for the people listening on KZbin. Probably Stephen's Mic. Lets be honest.

[@gildarmesh3809]

sounded like a beard rubbing on the mic which could have been almost any of them. could also be faulty mic or bad mixing but seeing as it fixed itself and does not persist throughout the episode my guess would be beard on mic action

[@dlvyn123]

Yooo I’m so excited for Varina. A pet project commander of mine

[@brad232008]

lol had forgotten about "ding fries are down"..... get to have that stuck in my head for half a year till I get to sing it lol

[@TheEzraKiihn]

Director Dan! The real MVP.

[@marcuspainter4854]

Yes, more mono red for team Green!

[@joeystuart2949]

Justin sabotaged this game by playing Awaken the Erswile and refusing to strip mine cabal coffers :/

[@bleedon4]

Id love to see Jon play a good stuff Ashling, the extinguisher deck. That would be the beat

[@Brandopee]

Jon shouldn’t have been able to cast damnation. They say he had 3 floating mana when he only had 1

[@jjolley3474]

I think that the next picture drawing that gets shown should be the token creature cards based off of this game.

[@just2red4u]

I need a picture of Stephen crying and/or screaming...asking for a friend lol I WANTA MAKE PHOTOSHOP MAGIC FOR THE OPENING PICTURE

[@golgarirockfarm3744]

You guys really need to go Jon on Jon; it's been a long time coming

[@kingfuzzy2]

True that

[@kandjar]

To be fair: casting Awaken the Estwhile when someone's playing Damia may not be a smart idea.... Even more when that player has: Tatyova + Sylvan Library in play... Just saying... I know it's tempting, but there's moment in life when you need to resist the temptation

[@DeathDxD]

there are more lant making cards, the one i have has devour 2 and makes the tokens at the beginning of your upkeep for each +1/+1 counters on it

[@fithakk]

If you're thinking of Mycoloth it makes Saprolings not Plants

[@DeathDxD]

Yeah that was it but you have cards that add to creature type and there is a card that make the plants have the forest typing

[@jeffreybender4416]

Loved this episode

[@randyzap6948]

I got my set of tokens by going through invasion block through Odyssey block buying dollar or less rares I wanted to try out in commander

[@dylanng8286]

How is Jonathan netting so much mana from Cabal Coffers? Doesn't only product a black mana for every swamp, not every land?

[@Hylianpuffball]

The perfect flip at 40:59

[@a.foobix]

I saw that too. Better every loop

[@mikem2808]

also decklists?

[@alexsalerno4053]

I understand why Suarez went with assembly worker, but for the sake of deckbuilding he should have been a 1/1 white bird with flying

[@Small_Panda]

Uh guys for how often you play villainous Wealth you guys don't know how the card works do you? John can chose the order in which they resolve but and this is the important part even more so for this game, he can't cast any spells until he resolves all of the spells he wishes to cast from villainous wealth nor can he play lands. So playing the cabal coffers, and the Ramunap Excavator means he shouldn't have been able to cast any of the other exiled spells. The reason this is more important in this game than your usual mistakes is in the Ferocious trigger and the amount of cards he draws from shamanic revelation. I don't know how Jeremy of all people didn't catch this you have a deck built around the card... I'm not mad just disappointed.

[@shinsua_]

Is this the first game where they resolve a Villainous Wealth, though

[@Small_Panda]

@@shinsua_ no it's the second or third

[@jonahcoffman3078]

Jeremy what about Dowsing Dagger?

[@andrebogardus8098]

That's 0/2 defender plants. Doesn't count

[@tristonshelley96]

anyone see how clean that throw was @40:55

[@earthops4821]

I'm blaming the Mic problem on Steven

[@Ikarion97]

So next time we're getting a Kyle Token fourway?

[@gildarmesh3809]

considering it is one of or the worst token in all of magic due to the cards it is attached to probably not

[@hamishian0]

Whoop. All gold everything!!!

[@Rococorico]

I love the show, but... I have to agree, everything crumbles after the Awaken the Erstwhile. It gummed up the board for too little gain and left the player with draw engines online light-years ahead. The first Villainous Wealth was a mess, illegal plays were made with it and if I was directing such a show, I'd punish anyone who lets their play area get to the point of 1:34:40.

[@LettaaKnurl]

#TeamParnell. Justin, I have a deck for you. Now I know you hate Kamigawa, but I don't think the other three really understand why you hate it and they need to be instilled with fear of it. Reki, the History of Kamigawa is mono-green storm. You're gonna cast many spells each turn and keep drawing cards so you can keep casting legends. This is by far my favorite deck to play and I really want you to show off this underplayed Commander. Here's the decklist: www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/1446183#paper I included a deck deck description too. I'm going to keep posting this on every video until you play it. I'm a huge fan.

[@Dark-Pikachu1]

The new rules Jeremy would live 🥺

[@b00m0ny0u]

Justin playing a Zombie deck? Cool. Next video.

[@peewee130946]

Elijah Briggs do you have a problem with zombies?

[@evvn11]

What are you token about?

[@thegrayrenegade]

Director Dan needs to fix the audio

[@ryanjack1899]

I knew Jon would win as soon as I saw the commanders. Then it was confirmed by him saying it was basically Saultai good stuff. 😞

[@airkami]

Spot the spike! GG :) #TeamGreen

[@dhost3911]

Wooo Director Kyle Token!!!

[@highdark4]

What's the theme today?

[@pathora44]

Build around each of their own personal SCG personality tokens. Justin is a zombie token, Jon is a 2/2 artifact creature token that can only be made by Urza's Factory, Jeremy is a plant token, and Steven is a survivor token.

[@Lashkor]

Justin, Jeremy and Stephen need to increase the power level of their decks to match what Jon is bringing, I wouldn't even be opposed to them bringing more powerful decks than he has to knock him down a few pegs. He's just taking advantage of their more conservative deck building at this point.

[@peewee130946]

Andrew Melson it has nothing to do with deck power it was the fact Justin discarded everybody’s hand when John was the only one with card draw

[@Lashkor]

@@peewee130946 yes and no. It may have been a little different, but not much. Jon's decks are always higher on the power scale, but the problem is everyone just kind of ignores him, and for like the past 5 months focused Justin even when he was behind. It's a failure of threat assessment all around. Had everyone just attacked Jon with the zombie tokens, that would have been it.

[@Devin-oh7gr]

Lol

[@whiled_payne4324]

jon should read the room and tone down his deckbuilding. 3 people arent the problem its the 1 person.

[@Lashkor]

@@whiled_payne4324 I don't think he needs to tone his down, his decks aren't cEDH level or anything, but his decks are probably at a power level of 8ish while everyone else usually brings decks that are around 6-6.5. They also seem to item make suboptimal decisions rather that decisions to win them the game, which I always find strange. I understand sometimes it's for entertainment value (in this case, Justin using awaken the erstwhile because his whole plan was to put out as many zombies as possible), but I know they can certainly play better.

[@jackhemsworth7515]

Villainous wealth for 29... Impressive.

[@HeyApples]

Discard is a healthy part of the game, but I have yet to see Awaken the Erstwhile resolve where it didn't completely ruin the game.

[@SaruParadise]

Muldrotha loves it. You all lose your hands, i don’t.

[@spyguy4558]

36:57 Sultai Goodstuff is the best!

[@CardboardConfrontation]

Listening to Director Dan's random cackling and peanut gallery comments sporadically throughout the match was entertaining and Director Kyle does have the best token by far. Steven you really should have nuked Tatyova with Chandra instead of that Relentless Dead and stopped that nonsense.

[@mattstone8873]

What time will they go live today?

[@SCGCommander]

5:00PM Eastern

[@kastormener]

So everyone punches Steven and Jon just does BS stuff and gets away with it...

[@elryanman]

He complains about being targeted every time someone looks at him.

[@derpydevilbear]

I voted for director kyle's token!

[@joshuamyers2887]

Letting you guys know im building a lord of the rings deck and i think it will be fun to play

[@kingfuzzy2]

Thank you

[@LichDoomFire1]

Jay-z has 99 problems but Justin ain't one.

[@Goblin-assault0nSally]

I miss Justin so much

[@brandonr.2807]

So jeremy loses a point for not creating one of his tokens? :-P

[@worldthroughabucket]

Well, technically his cards did create his tokens :p

[@ryanhansen9779]

I voted homunculus, FMA.

[@AsViewedByFran88]

Suarez is such a cutie.

[@LivePhive5]

Villanious wealth how many times??? Sheesh #teamsuarez

[@YaoBao1]

Unfortunately only twice, yeah :/ In the episode where they played their personal decks and Jeremy played VW for the first time on the show, I believe he cast it like 5 times

[@throwitoutthewindow]

@@YaoBao1 which episode was that?

[@Xats]

Like I kinda wished that Jon had won because he did Villanous Wealth wrong so this win would be invalid.

[@kyleslavin6540]

Tempt with discovery lands dont come in tapped.

[@SamundraDarion]

WOW there is a lot of talking in the First 20 mins.

[@Azraell01]

Kyle needs to come back so he can FIX the MICs since no one else CAN......SIGH

[@tomriddle6261]

So let's play a discard hand card with damnia player ? Lol ok Also as soon as I saw canal coffers, this man had too much advantage

[@corrosivecabal]

Binged ✔

[@trevorpeters4976]

Like, comment, subscribe, share, binge...

[@lracseroom8286]

someone besides Jeremy casting Villainous Wealth is like Justin milling someone: Complete heresy.

[@Beansareamagicalfruit]

Oof those microphones

[@Cyberium]

Varchild!!! XD

[@tmain1320]

TEAM SUAREZ FTW