Commander VS S14E4: Hallar VS Kambal VS Brudiclad VS Ob Nixilis [EDH]

[@SCGCommander]

We're back with a fun challenge, Add a Color! What Commander and added color would you build if you got this challenge?

[@xakuyer]

Raff adding red to do patriot tribal artifact flashy shenanigans

[@GermanGoodGuy]

Breya, Etherium Shaper, adding green for 5-color artifact nonsense.

[@cristobalgonzales8988]

Shirei plus white for more degenerate sac combos and to use the Teysas, especially the new one.

[@ASDQ37]

sultai scarab god for doubling the tokens

[@Valdreag17]

Actually, I also wanted to play an Advisor tribal deck as soon as Petitioners was revealed.

[@FindingAHandleThatIsntTaken]

Your next challenge should be the extreme of this. Only make a deck with cards NOT in the commander’s color identity. You’d have to have a rule that you could cast your commander using mana of any color or something like that, but it creates some interesting situations.

[@redundancycheck]

Or cast only with their enemy colors. They need to declare it at the start (like going red when you're blue or white)

[@lazyfigninja]

SOMEBODY UPVOTE THIS

[@dannyboy3997]

We’ve been experimenting with this in my play group recently. Four color Talrand is pretty spooky.

[@6LordMortus9]

@@dannyboy3997 so, 5 colour commander = colourless deck? :)

[@StefanKaminski1987]

So I finally caught up... ...and what a ride it was! I‘ve watched McDarby and Danny West build up Commander Versus. Couldn’t get that catchy „Minamino ... dudu dududuu“ out of my ears for hours. I‘ve enjoyed how Justin, Steven, Wes and Jonathan met the challenge of following in McDarbys and Dannys footsteps (despite the constant and annoying cries of some KZbin commentators). I‘ve seen Steven break all the agreements, Wes becoming salty as hell, Jonathan being the first runner-up and Justin wining all the games. I was sad when John left but got more than compensated by Jeremy Noell, who seemed to be way to nice to win even a single game. I Had to cope with the great loss of Mr. Cryptic Command himself, Wes Wise but instead got my favourite „spike“ John back (hurray). I‘ve seen the glorious mill episode that should not be spoken of again (and watched it at least a hundred times). It must have been then, when I got totally fed up by all the cheater and know-it-all’s comments on KZbin. I was intrigued by Johns Kangee Deck and his hate for grouphug. I was amazed by Stevens love for Chromat and unbroken will to bring mono-red to the table. I couldn’t believe my eyes when Jeremy pulled off that Villainous Wealth which in retrospective foreshadowed bearded Jeremy. I was astounded how well Justin mastered Black-sacrifice Decks and am so happy that he found his true love Meren. I hoped so long for #TeamGold to win the first season championship. So what’s left to say? Thank you all and keep up the great work!

[@zacharyb.johnson5495]

Focus on Justin: "Oh it's Justin, he deserves it" Focus on Jeremy: "Why, it's the usual, then? I'll take a #2 large with extra salt and sauce." Focus on Stephen: *Takes the entire table and a zombie horde* Focus on Jonathan: *Looks around nervously* "Do we even think about doing that?"

[@airenrain]

That was rather rude of the 3 J' s to just go straight out and kill Stephen and it wasn't even halfway through the video, also no one else was below 30 life until Stephen did his last attack against John, and for what reason was that specific targeting? Solely because he was 4 points ahead of the person in last place, 4 POINTS. Honestly I'm very disappointed that Stephen didn't get to play his deck practically at all. #TeamGreen

[@nicholasfarrell5981]

Airen Rain yeah, that was bogus.

[@MarvelOfRain]

Really interesting question in the end about the next commander product. I personally would like to see monocolored decks pushing a theme that is underrepresented but present in each color. It could create a lot of cool new decks and open some cool new possibilities for existing decks that already support the theme (Nekusar, Abzan reanimator etc.) . Here is an example: White: Reanimator, Commander ability: Whenever you cast a creature return a creature card with the same type from your graveyard to play, Example of existing card: Karmic Guide Black: Spellslinger, Commander ability: Exile a card from your hand: Target black instant or sorcery card in your graveyard gains flashback, Example of existing card: Toshiro Red: Wheels/Discard, Commander ability: Whenever any player discards a card create a 0/1 Kobold of the Kher Keep token into play, Example of existing card: Squee, Wheel of Fortune... Blue: Aggressive fliers, Commander ability: At the beginning of your end step create a 2/2 Drake with flying if played a creature with flying this turn and draw a card if you attacked with a creature with flying this turn, Example of existing card: Windreader Sphinx Green: Flying hate, Commander ability: All creatures your opponents control have flying during your turn. Landfall: Deal 3 damage to target creature with flying. Example of existing card: Hurricane

[@MacIan24]

Man, clean shaven Jeremy is even more mercyless. Poor Stephen folded like a cheap lawn chair.

[@johns832]

Thank you for pooling questions for the end. I for one appreciate it. I enjoy following the flow of the game, and twitch comments and questions ruin it.

[@Lucarioguild7]

john s The one upside is they can’t make game breaking mistakes

[@Telemergion]

Agreed! This was so much more watchable than their first attempt at "Doing it Live"

[@joshwagner9519]

17:44 game start

[@AljojoX]

Josh Wagner - praise lord josh

[@daytonblackstock303]

Josh Wagner you sir are a god

[@vipper57779]

So first of all this is one of my favorite themes honestly so more of this down the line please! But i have to give Jon credit. I saw the deck tech figured "of COURSE he went effectively Esper Death and Taxes style shenanigans". Then he became my favorite deck of the episode when it was his turn to talk lmao

[@theender2681]

You guys should have marked this Archenemy because that's clearly the rule set you were playing by. Every person attacking Steven the whole game and killing him. I understand how powerful Ob is but dang. Also for as much as Jeremy complains about being targeted he sure didnt have a problem targeting Steven.

[@HelplessHeroes]

Steven is usually the one Jeremy is conplaining about so it's glorious revenge. They also said at the start hes the point leader and scariest general so he GONSTA die

[@joshjoy5549]

I agree with this so much. It's getting to be super annoying how week to week it's literally always a 3v1.

[@InsertlolhereLOL]

Everyone wanted gold, plus he is the point leader. But yall are right, it was just sad to see threat assessment changed because of the point system.

[@keithfilibeck2390]

Jeremy is a notorious whiner, he always points out when someone targets his stuff, and a poor player to boot.

[@sdsanderson7]

Yeah lately they seem to gang up on him more and more. Even when he isnt in the points lead

[@Slothery]

Oh man Jeremy could have moved 30 counters onto his hangarback Walker before sacrificing it...

[@jdn5017]

Starting at 1:45:00 the Gang has a 5 minute conversation about Witch's Oven 6 months before its release. Pretty interesting to see what they're brainstorming about compared to what we ended up with.

[@Hunter-kp1ve]

Someone in the comments last week mentioned the points system is starting to stagnate your play styles and make it so games are less interesting. Every season is literally the same making every game the same, doesn't matter the theme. Ep.1 Stephen or Justin win big. Ep. 3 they get spite killed everyone in comments gets frustrated. This cycle ebbs and flows all season. Things need a big shakeup this has been a rough season so far, and IMO the least enjoyable in a while. This happened in my playgroup, forcing us into different play styles, variants, letting go of ego and actually paying attention to threats at the table.

[@ultiplayer1]

@1:05:36 "Let me tell you another human being that's never read all the words on Brudiclad, that's Stephen Green." "Or read all the words on any cards, at all." Truf.

[@elitebustin3956]

I hate that Stephen was just struggling to survive for most of the game, he had issues the entire time and he helped the board from getting oppressive from milling 12s each turn cycle, death (Jeremy's big attack coming) it just seems everyone wanted to kill Stephen for being there. #TeamGreen

[@Xileph410]

It was really obvious they want him out.

[@TheEzraKiihn]

Heavy is the crown.

[@brandonr.2807]

Yeah kinda garbage...

[@angeloantonioscholze1106]

the bull is called

[@ThePoesn]

They're playing with an underplaying points system. That's one of the symptoms of these.

[@iandehmel]

#TeamSuarez! But also, Justin's beard is looking lush and full. Well done Pernell

[@Gabberz123]

THANK YOU for pooling questions at the end! I very much appreciate that you guys have taken the feedback in the comments :D

[@MountainManMagic]

Keep it going guys - thanks for the great listen while on the work grind!

[@7MukuroRealm]

>Justin gets targeted out of countless games "Oh, he deserves it because he's Justin" >Stephen gets targeted out of one game "THIS IS A GRAVE INJUSTICE HOW DARE THEY TREAT HIM WITH SUCH CRUELTY COMMANDER VS. IS UNFORGIVABLE!"

[@MrPinkpanzer]

Or John. Team green players aren't used to this I guess.

[@jasonmolisani1864]

It's sad I had to scroll down this far to find a comment like this. Stephen easily had the best deck. Proper threat assessment shows that John and Justin needed him gone to have a chance. Jeremy might have been able to compete 1v1, but as the rest of this episode showed, he could easily beat John and Justin. Why leave the toughest opponent around?

[@justryangeorge]

Yes, it was a grave injustice to beat the special needs child.

[@YaoBao1]

Omg, so much this! I will gladly admit to being on Team Green and certainly wasn't particularly thrilled with how quickly he was taken out, but there is no doubt his deck was the most explosive/powerful, at least in the given game. It is scary how so many fans are one-sided in their opinion of the individual players, since as OP indicates, other players have been strongly focused on in prior episodes, but it is only when Stephen is being targeted that the comment section gets particularly vocal!

[@erickdemerutis6457]

Would have been great to see Jeremy move all the forgotten ancient counters he had to the hangar back walker, pop it and make a gigantic army.

[@FernandoRojas-py6fn]

i didnt know this was archenemy without schemes. dat focus

[@erfunk]

Future add-a-color variant you can play: MaRo EDH, from magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/word-commander-2011-06-20. He specified three changes he'd make to color identity: off-color mana doesn't turn colorless (already changed), hybrid cards allowable in either of their color identities ('or', not 'and', so Mirrorweave playable in Wx or Ux, not just WUx), and mana abilities not restricted by CI (his example is a City of Brass variant, but Noble Heirarch being playable in any Gx deck is equivalent. Unclear if he would extend this to all abilities, so Brutal Hordechief was considered mono-B, for example. If so, this means a decision has to be made about whether CI is determined differently for the general and the 99, or if Tasigur becomes mono-B as well). Just the hybrid change would be reasonable to try out, or trying to find an implementation for his take on mana abilities if you're feeling daring. Thanks!

[@davidthompson6861]

Just built Hallar as my second EDH deck (mostly from an SCG gift card giveaway) I love the card so much.

[@Allenittam]

David Thompson I just built it today and already a big fan - so much fun!

[@RoxyGotMoxy.]

You guys should do a Supervillain Planechase Royal Rumble. You each pick a famous villainous character from M:tG's history - Nicol Bolas, Yawgmoth, Takeshi Konda, Fblthp etc, and you play commander planechase. But each of you has a scheme deck. It would be chaos incarnate but absolutely glorious.

[@JoeGrzzly]

19:58, Justin plays a Swump. Never heard that before; really tickled me.

[@coreyarmstrong6673]

Hallar!!! Pulled it in prerelease and instantly loved it and made a deck I'm in love with.

[@highdark4]

I'd love to see it!

[@airkami]

Steven "winning" vicariously through Jeremy milling Justin #TeamGreen

[@zachreese6498]

The one commander I always thought would be good with add a color would be noyan dar, roil shaper. It really needs green.

[@unamusedpanda857]

I've seen everything from Stephan to Steven in the comments. Its not like his name is on the screen!

[@jadedflames]

Stefan

[@kurowasanabe]

Yeah, poor Esteban.

[@pluralkumquat]

I think my favorite interaction with Brudiclad was to create a token copy of my Covetous Jewel, then turn my 10 myr tokens into covetous jewels, which I used to cast all the other artifacts in my deck.

[@traivonjackson6514]

How often do they upload?/is there an exact upload schedule for commander that i just dont know about?

[@Pinfeldorf]

How was the #1 recommended rules change to Commander not the abolishment of the color restriction on hybrid cards? I should be able to play Debtor's Knell in a monowhite deck or a Deus of Calamity in monored.

[@nemokid1220]

Why did Jon's last draw have a card sleeve from Stephens deck? 1:25:50

[@TheXcena]

Love the add a colour weeks!!!

[@joshuawhite796]

Keep up the great work guys!

[@eliminator_v]

Notice that Jeremy and Justin are never in the same shot! They are the same person filmed playing against himself, he shaved his beard for the second part!

[@flashsg2004]

Well that was a 'fun' 51 min game. Kudos for Steven on staying there. I would have just walked away since the other 3 clearly wanted to play only in 3.

[@MestHoop]

Aw yeah! Been a while since I caught one of these on Wednesday again. Damn you real life... #TeamParnell #SlimeTime #BlackManaMatters #Chaoseceum

[@kellankeesler5293]

Y'all should do an episode where each deck is is built using only cards from 2 selected precons. Just basically mix two decks together

[@jeffreyoller4167]

I would like a game of two players (Jeremy & Justin) play group hug and two players (Steven & John) play chaos decks.

[@sparkythespooderduck8723]

If you kiki jiki something before combat, and then use brudiclad's ability to target another myr, does it still go away at the end of the turn? Likewise, if you target the kiki jiki'd myr token do all the tokens go away at end of turn

[@ekflagristoj]

Since Kiki's ability is not added to the token with templating like "and that token gains "sacrifice this at your end step" " the effect is tied to the game object rather than the rules text of that object. In case 1 where you make a Kikitoken and then morph all your stuff into that kikitoken only the one created by Kiki will go away. In case 2 where you make a kikitoken and then morph all your stuff into something else only the token created by Kiki will go away.

[@jacobjohnson6384]

1:20:47 suddenly a wrath sounds pretty good.

[@friedpinnapple]

Oh wow I figured brudiclad would add black. Grixis artifacts is really nice

[@DarthTUK]

That Gains role. I lost it right there XD

[@melonfun_1786]

i want jeremy to do noyan dar, roil shaper. a land deck without using landfall, the graveyard, or the color green. he will be both in and out of his comfort zone at the same time

[@HEYCrysis]

I'm sorry guys, but I really found this video disappointing. The aggression directed at Steven reminded me of feel bad games of Commander I've played before (involving saltiness by myself and others) and therefore really didn't make for an enjoyable video past about the first hour. In my opinion, seeing someone being hated out (over what I can only assume is points) makes for poor gameplay, and after reading some other comments I don't seem to be alone in thinking this. I remember last season this happened numerous times to Parnell, which made some videos equally unsavoury to watch, and I really hope this doesn't become a trend. I love your content guys, and I watch every week, but if you read this I hope that in the future you consider gameplay and watchability as valuable as you do winning seasonal titles.

[@themagicgeek4765]

For the sake of my own curiosity and I'm planning on starting up the ability to record games for my own channel, how much did your microphones cost a piece?

[@ultiplayer1]

What is the piece of paper on a shelf behind Justin's head?

[@12Geri91]

This is SO good! Love it

[@CrabBaskets]

I know Stephen is leading in points, but y'all were straight up vicious and ganging up on him today (in this video i mean)

[@quincybriley4113]

Welcome to pretty much the entire last season against Justin.

[@agent00puffball]

I mean Justin was targeted out for pretty much the entirety of last season, and he was never in first. Stephen can handle it once.

[@98junebug]

Still in the intro; I hope Jeremy put a Progenitor Mimic in his deck ❤

[@josephsawczyn1145]

Would love to see EDH Pauper with all the Dominaria 2 color uncommon legendaries as the commanders

[@SCGCommander]

(Jeremy) We did something close, playing Pauper with Uncommon Legendary Creatures from Dominaria, just not all the two color versions: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6iphndvgLx0l7c

[@kobisjeruk]

And it was boring as heck. Not much in the form of boardwipe or ramp. Seems like a neat idea but fare very poorly in execution.

[@DeviltoGeorgia34]

Prime Time as Commander is a bad idea, even if he's mono-green. Yeva, Roaring Primadox, Temur Sabertooth, Stampeding Wildebeests, Verdant Rebirth. There's your deck tech, folks.

[@Allenittam]

hapatra or scorpion god with red/green added should be bunkers!

[@comradecameron3726]

Monsieur Poisson-ballon *bonkers

[@ronmarshall1566]

binge-watching and playing brawl on mtga. Steven saying Samscratchs!! Team Green

[@quincybriley4113]

Justin's beard is looking fantastic.

[@peterstorm_gaming]

Are you guys ever going to do cEDH again? Taking from the actual list of cEDH decks the cEDH reddit maintains? Pleeeeaaaase :D

[@angelsulbaran1299]

RT

[@WheelDragon]

When are the games streamed?

[@thegoldgenji4834]

Glad Hallar is finally giving the recognition it deserves! I think that people undervalued it due to the lack of good kicker spells in green and red, but I still think it is a strong Gruul commander. Great vid 👍

[@stevenburton7725]

Wishes are not the only answer to exile. Riftsweeper can do it as well

[@nicholasfarrell5981]

Okay, I remember Scuta. And the environment had enough bounce and kill that he was irrelevant for the most part.

[@tylerstegman6846]

Here's another challenge idea... Pick a commander and put a crazy low Max budget on price of the deck excluding commander price

[@gustavomartinsdesouza5548]

Stephen, it is easy, cast Release to the Wind and Naru Meha in response \o/

[@dxnjosh]

How do we find the twitch stream time?

[@SCGCommander]

Wednesdays at 5pm Eastern.

[@TheEzraKiihn]

@@SCGCommander Does this mean there is a week delay between Twitch and KZbin?

[@SCGCommander]

@@TheEzraKiihn Correct.

[@millsada]

So steven just plays a vilious wealth deck right?, As they exile.

[@fractalsloth]

decklists?

[@xI2adiationx]

Ever since they first did this challenge I made 7 decklists for Add a Color Commanders and by far my favorite so far is Brago + Black, but I did actually design a Brudiclad + White that I really liked as well

[@lracseroom8286]

"Brago + Black" So an Aminatou deck?

[@xI2adiationx]

@@lracseroom8286 not really, it's all ETB effects, nothing to do with stack the deck or bouncing things to my library

[@lracseroom8286]

@@xI2adiationx Right. Aminatou's -1 is blink. She doesn't bounce things.

[@xI2adiationx]

@@lracseroom8286 but Brago bounces any amount of permanents, he's just the best at that specific thing

[@lracseroom8286]

@@xI2adiationx Black has the format's best tutors. Makes running Brago in the 99 instead of TCZ worth the tradeoff. Yes, with Brago you can gum up the game, with Demonic Tutor you end the game.

[@deanunator]

Love the add a colour

[@kandjar]

3 vs 1 wasn't very fair

[@martintaylor570]

The pattern seems pretty obvious: the bigger the beard, the bigger the threat right? Jeremy has just internalized his now XD

[@federicoforgione]

Yes but what about Vannifar as a Commander?

[@kolaofflames1]

just got to comment after kyle's comment of watch does not mean watch. I have to have something playing at night to sleep with. I have my computer playing the CMVS most night screen off the volume on to sleep lol.

[@egarran]

Oh Jeremy, my Jeremy, wherefore art thou Jeremy?

[@LadyLilithena]

No deck tech lists this game?

[@lSirCumference]

Love you guys

[@maximilianlopez196]

Good job guys

[@EvilM0nkeyRules]

Did Jeramy draw for solumn?

[@jamesnoon6745]

Wednesday's are my new Favorite day!

[@anthonyrincon3949]

I was waiting for Jeremy to vizier of many faces the azors executors. The next upkeep wouldve been sweet

[@comradecameron3726]

Anthony Rincon *elocuters

[@anthonyrincon3949]

@@comradecameron3726 Thanks didnt see I named it a pokemon

[@comradecameron3726]

Anthony Rincon anytime

[@k1n6n07h1n6]

Justin looks like a bearded Ned Flanders.

[@LettaaKnurl]

#TeamParnell. Justin, I have a deck for you. Now I know you hate Kamigawa, but I don't think the other three really understand why you hate it and they need to be instilled with fear of it. Reki, the History of Kamigawa is mono-green storm. You're gonna cast many spells each turn and keep drawing cards so you can keep casting legends. This is by far my favorite deck to play and I really want you to show off this underplayed Commander. Here's the decklist: www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/1446183#paper I included a deck deck description too.

[@thomaskaimann6800]

Evertime justin gets taken out first. Hes in last place and instead of giving him second which would be the smart move jeremy just cant resist and kills him. How dumb

[@danboyd3955]

If I were Stephen I'd have passed the turn without wrathing out of spite. Let Jeremy smash them, it's their own fault for not realizing.

[@TheDispersity]

I didn’t realize Justin was a Packers fan. Go Pack Go!

[@jt_myth]

how is kambal playing islands?

[@perrybaughman9893]

The theme of these games is to add one color to the identity of tge commander

[@owenkotsch7266]

love Justin's sweatshirt

[@MAHathco4262]

Pretty sure Steven could have killed two players the turn before he went out. Splendid reclamation would have been insane, would have made for a pretty short video though.

[@comradecameron3726]

Matt *stephen

[@2c00145ch001]

People complaining about the target on Steven... He was in first place in the early season by a close margin... this has happened for years in Commander Vs!! They are playing for points, there is a reason the early leader falls.

[@abyss_trinity0014]

Love this channel, but damn man why all the hate on Stephen? Nobody focused on anyone but him the entire game until he was out.

[@misterbojangles]

Progenitor mimic+Avenger of Zendikar+Brudiclad is op

[@unamusedpanda857]

"Look how they massacred my boy!" Seriously, the targeting of Stephen went way to far.

[@Rxheaven1929]

First impression had me pulling for Justin. Go Pack Go!

[@danielkallsen2023]

Glad there aren't any Justin nips in this video, stick with the hoodie

[@zacharybeyer8971]

I feel bad for Stephan 😭

[@3sts246]

Hey, I got an idea. Redo your point system so you can see all four decks play like they were built for instead of using previous games to justify hating someone out. Stupid way to play the game.

[@MrUglama]

Awesome!

[@Re-EmergenceRPG]

Should have done Atraxa with all 5 colors and then play super friends lol

[@airforcec]

Justin should have attacked john so john could block with the petitioners

[@jtizzle450]

WHERE THE GOLD AT?! I WANT THE GOLD? EVERYBODY WHO SEENT A LEPRACHAUN SAY YEAHHHHHHH.. YEAHHHH!!!!!!!!