COMMENCAL META TR TO SX CONVERSION

[@jarnold1789]

Shoutout to you for the follow through on this. Also your shop setup is sweet! Love the organization of your tools

[@davidspidle1985]

Thanks I appreciate it! The tools is a work in progress. I donated my snap on set up to my brother when he finished A&P school so I’m slowly building this back out for hobby wrenching.

[@dukeofmtb]

Yes! Finally! Been waiting for you to post this after you mentioned it on PinkBike. Gonna watch this whole thing later today.

[@davidspidle1985]

Hahaha we got busy with some home projects after I recorded it and it took some time to get back to edit it.

[@6godgforce861]

this is so sick conversation glad u did it 🔥

[@davidspidle1985]

Thanks I am too! It fits my riding style so much better now.

[@6godgforce861]

@@davidspidle1985 now the mountain is calling for ya go ahead and shred 🔥

[@CRGT666]

Nice video. I have the AM and put it a Fox 36 I already had but is 160, looking forward to upgrade the air shaft to get 170mm travel again. Now I also know how to service the linkage.

[@smrsco]

I did this last week. I've got a '21 TR and the new SX (my park bike). I think I definitely prefer the shorter chainstays. The SX would be perfect if I was racing Enduro but I prefer jibbing in the park. I'm still messing with the shock to get it dialed in with the new setup cause it did change quite a bit. One thing I found: the TR clevis is 3mm longer than the SX clevis set to Low. I measured it last night. I'd bet it's equal to the SX in high but I didn't measure that yet. If that info's coming from their website they also say the SX rocker is the same part on the TR and it's obviously not true. Thanks for the idea!

[@luisandreferreira3427]

Thank you for the info! can you confirm about the clevis length? I'm thinking to do the same on my TR but at the momment this new clevis with flip chip isn't available, can i do this conversion to 230 rear shock + 27.5 rear wheel only with the SX rocker?

[@davidspidle1985]

Thanks for the info. I was looking at their part numbers while gathering that info. I did notice some slight differences in geo with the 21 tr Clevis vs the sx Clevis I received as well. I think geo works out best when the sx Clevis and rocker are used together.

[@steve_troy]

What you are looking at is the Meta SX and TR 29.3 clevis and rocker. These are the same. The 29.2 (2021 model) uses a slightly different rocker and clevis. If you have the current model TR29.3 (2022 onward) you don't need these parts.

[@davidspidle1985]

@@steve_troy 29.2 and 29.3 TR use the same rocker. www.commencal-store.co.uk/PBSCProduct.asp?PGFLngID=1&ItmID=31745711 SX rocker is its own part number so this would still be needed in a conversion. www.commencal-store.co.uk/PBSCProduct.asp?PGFLngID=1&ItmID=35537837 Clevis is the same between sx and tr in the 2022 which is what I believe you’re seeing.

[@dadlife8289]

Great video! I watched til the end

[@MILTONATOR]

Sub’d 👊 looking forward to seeing more of this bike and your thoughts on how it rides. Nicely done man. Thanks

[@明聪邓]

When is the cycling review coming out?

[@OsbelEspinoza]

Great video! You are the only one who explains in detail the process you have carried out. I have a question, you mentioned that the height of the bottom bracket can be changed, can you tell me what needs to be changed to achieve that?. Please.🙏

[@nate_fox518]

Do you have to run mullet or can you run full 29

[@Cbagz795]

Interesting to see if this could be done on the Meta Power TR.

[@davidspidle1985]

I would assume so. Part numbers are different on the power models though so be sure to order the correct rocker assembly.

[@50fatz]

Dude i love it hahahha please make another Video on How it Rides

[@brendansharp1]

Great video mate, could you do a follow-up on how the bike performs thinking the same for myself, that way it would sit nicely between my 160 hard tail and something like the clash, do you have it mulleted? It looks so in the video. What was the overall bottom bracket drop depending on the wheel set up?

[@luisleiva1555]

He cambiado el amortiguador de mi meta tr 2022 por uno de 216x63 manteniendo las dos ruedas 29. Y va perfecta

[@adcaro3551]

Buenas!! Permite el montaje de 2022 sustituir el amortiguador por uno de mas carrera? Hay que modificar algo o solo sustituir el amortiguador?

[@jonathanberg1434]

Crazy, now i‘m thinking if i could convert a SX to an AM to get longer chainstays but full 29 ^^

[@davidspidle1985]

I would think you could get this to work but I would look into ordering a slightly shorter eye to eye shock to make up the added height a 29 would give you.

[@chrisanderson8578]

Nice video man.

[@tyremarkfacehole6123]

great video :)

[@basticf]

What you think about instal a 160mm fork and turn the flip chip in high for a mullet in stock bike?

[@handpanler]

Finally about to do this to mine. Did you end up keeping the 170 fork or go to 180?

[@NoOneIsGoingToSaveYou]

That camo sticker on the front tube were did you get that? I have the same color Meta TR V4 and that looks good together.

[@thermonuculur]

If you don't swap the clevis, how high is the BB without the flip chip?

[@thilinakumara1731]

Wow.....🔥

[@callumbolch]

Can you provide some more details on what you've done to achieve this and what the specs are how? - is the shock still the same stroke or are you using a longer shock stroke than stock? - how much travel do you get out of the rear wheel how? - what does the leverage curve look like? Closer to the TR or SX curve? - did you consider using the WRP linkage with a longer stroke shock to gain more travel? It's a great conversion but I'm a tech nerd so I'd love to know the nitty gritty on it. I have a WRP link mulleted AM 29 2021 and I love it. The mullet is near perfect for me.

[@davidspidle1985]

The shock is a 230x65 and the leverage ratio now as a best guess taking into account the linkage has been changed to the sx would be around a 2.56 average. Since I used the longer stroke than the 62.5 that they use on the sx I should be closer to a 166 travel in the rear. So I may actually bump the fork up to a 180mm in the future. This bike was my first purchase going from bmx to MTB so I went conservative with the tr but this travel range and the mullet set up fits my riding style best also.

[@discerno.]

Considering buying the WRP link for my AM as well. Cool to hear it's worthwhile

[@lucasfreeman2963]

Doing this now. Got the rocker and new shock. Do you think switching to a 170mm Zeb/38 defeats the purpose of the poppy-ness playfulness of this setup? Vs. a 170mm Lyrik/36. Thanks for any thoughts

[@taraxiasrelated9548]

hello i really like what i see, i wanna do the same on my meta tr v4. So what you saying is the frames are completely the same except the rocker assembly? Also why the shock you use is 230x 65 when the meta sx uses a 230x62.5mm

[@50fatz]

Are there More vids in the making? I’d love to hear more about this Frankenstein bike xD

[@dukeofmtb]

Other than the flip chip, are the clevises the same length? My understanding is that the '21 version is identical to the '22 set to low.

[@davidspidle1985]

Yup you got that right. You can definitely get by with the 21 clevis. It is just the low setting.

[@olson1442]

Do you know if the 27.5 wheel work fine on back with flip switch on high if I didn't change up suspension on my tr?

[@davidspidle1985]

Yup. I ran mine like this for a while also and it was a fun set up.

[@kavgata]

Hey, nice video and nice work! Can you give us an update on how the bike rides ? Is it worth the work and money or better buy an SX? Best regards

[@davidspidle1985]

I haven’t gotten around to doing another video but it’s still worth the upgrade. I test rode the meta sx v5 and it was an identical ride so I still wouldn’t be able to bring myself to buying a whole new bike unless I really just wanted a new frame or color.

[@kavgata]

@@davidspidle1985 Thanks mate 🍻

[@devinB1917]

The links are cut off in the description. Is there a chance you have part numbers? I have an email out to Commencal now. TIA

[@treadlightly6999]

Would you happen to know the part number for the rocker?

[@cliffordrichardc]

is that same rear triangle

[@kidsuarez11]

How did you remove the shocks from the link? Tried mine but when the screw removed, it wont come off 😢

[@ElementONE15]

i Wonder if your old rocker link will fit my 2018 meta am 4.2. The one thats known for not being rigid, and bolts coming loose. :D

[@ioannisginis147]

Is possible to get a link for the meta Am?? To transform the Tr to Am?

[@davidspidle1985]

You could try this same conversation and then instead of the shock I went with use a 8.5x2.5 shock. It is a bit shorter eye to eye length so that should be close to the same geo with a 29” wheel.

[@blackjdm93]

I want to do this just to get a little more travel out of my TR, and get a 170 fork, but would it work to still have a 29 on the rear? I don’t necessarily need a playful rear, just want more travel

[@davidspidle1985]

You could try a different shock with a shorter eye to eye. The 8.5x2.5 is about at 215x62.5 size so that could put the bike back into the right geo but i haven’t tried this set up. It would be close though.

[@blackjdm93]

Ahh okay, so I can’t get the exact same parts as you?

[@blackjdm93]

Its a 2022 meta by the way, would the rocker or linkage beed to be changed at all? Looking fir around 160mm

[@steve_troy]

@@blackjdm93 No. If you have the flip chip you don't need the replacement parts as the SX uses the same part numbers.

[@blackjdm93]

@@steve_troy Cool I figured, im trying to figure out if i still need a different Rocker or not to fit the different shock

[@tenztops4636]

Hey nice video,i am going to do the same. Wanted to ask if it ok with 160mm fork and 230x62.5 combo?

[@davidspidle1985]

I’d be concerned with pedal strikes still with the 160mm fork and it would be a slightly steeper head tube angle.

[@sergiocostantini8300]

why didn't you use some grease for the link?

[@saschakrau4625]

does that mean if i run the LOW setting, can i fit a longer shock?

[@davidspidle1985]

When you switch everything over with the sx linkage yes. You can fit a 230x65 shock.

[@saschakrau4625]

@@davidspidle1985 is the part also needed for the Meta TR 2022? or only on the 2021 TR model www.commencal-store.co.uk/PBSCProduct.asp?PGFLngID=1&ItmID=35537837

[@luisandreferreira3427]

@@davidspidle1985 after this conversion do you have a good clearance between the chainstays and the bottom bracket?

[@boogiedownbronx73]

Whats a chainstay?

[@keenanschoeneberger7112]

I am interested in doing this to My tr, but when I search the parts on Commencal they only come up for EUR, when I change to US, they aren't available. any comments on this?

[@davidspidle1985]

Yeah I ordered all the parts from the Europe site.

[@keenanschoeneberger7112]

Okay thank you

[@keenanschoeneberger7112]

@@davidspidle1985 do you recommend doing the conversion since you've been riding it now?

[@rasmushj6663]

Nice video! Think it would be possilble to convert a TR with a longer shock? 230x62.5 and keep a 29´er wheel in the back?

[@davidspidle1985]

A 230x62.5 still keeps the same length eye to eye as a 230x65. The travel length is changed with a bottom out spacer in the shocks. I would try doing the same rocker assembly with a 8.5x2.5 shock. It’s comes out so around a 215x63.5 then you could keep a 29” tire on the back.

[@rasmushj6663]

@@davidspidle1985 so maybe a 216x63 with som offset bushings could work? could i then keep the TR linkage?

[@davidspidle1985]

It’s possible but the shocks bolt diameter doesn’t leave a lot of room for offset bushings.

[@tristandelang3324]

I messured it, bigger shock wont fit whitout changing the rocker. This means the bike can only be ridden with 140mm travel as a 29r. The solution of this video is best. One thing to consider is that if u just buy a sx, the upper rear stays are bridged together. The rear triangle will be stiffer on a sx, but 10mil longer.

[@danytheunicorn95]

nice one bro how slack is it?

[@davidspidle1985]

It’s a 63.7 head tube angle now.

[@chickenclips]

how's the bike holding up mate?

[@50fatz]

I’m very curious because I’d love to have a Commencal but I don’t really like the “just bombing downhill In a straight line” feeling of the meta am/sx. But a 140mm tr is too less for me, so it would be great if you would share some more detail about the bikes handling

[@davidspidle1985]

I played around with the different fork lengths and even ran a 160/140 mullet on the tr set up and that was fun as well but this so far is my favorite. I noticed a few times that the 140 travel just wasn’t enough. I will definitely get some ride review footage soon also though.

[@50fatz]

@@davidspidle1985 thank you so much this might come out as the bike I’m searching for hahah if I build it as well for me

[@davidspidle1985]

@@50fatz you bet! I actually would have looked at buying the SX a while back but they only had the frame released for the longest time. I'm glad it worked out like this though.

[@chinayyds1788]

Can META AM also be used with META SX connecting rod replacements?

[@davidspidle1985]

If you did the rocker assembly with the 27.5 wheel I think it would slacken out the head tube angle too much but for the AM I would try just getting the clevis with the flip chip and running that in the high setting with a 27.5 wheel and that should be pretty similar geo.

[@明聪邓]

这个视频很吊

[@jakejibs9293]

so essentially all one would need is the rocker and a new rear shock... nice

[@明聪邓]

Is the head tube angle and reach the same as the meta sx? Has the official said that the two frames are the same except for the connecting rod?

[@davidspidle1985]

The two frames are different. There is slight differences in the head tube length and seat angle. I haven’t measured the reach as that’s adjustable with bars/stems. But it feels comfortable for my riding.

[@明聪邓]

@@davidspidle1985 Will this affect the strength of the frame?Can more suspension curve measurements be made in the future?

[@davidspidle1985]

@@明聪邓 I can’t comment on the strength of frame I also would go any further travel in the rear if that’s what your asking.

[@MrButters2234]

So if I have a 22 tr all I need is 27.5 rear wheel and 230x65 shock? As I already have the flip chip in my linkage?

[@davidspidle1985]

You would still need the sx rocker assembly as well and the fork upgrades.

[@MrButters2234]

@@davidspidle1985 as per commencal site the tr/sx rocker are the same, fork no issue

[@davidspidle1985]

@@MrButters2234 Clevis is the same. Rocker is different. Sx rocker www.commencal-store.co.uk/PBSCProduct.asp?PGFLngID=1&ItmID=35537837 Tr rocker www.commencal-store.co.uk/PBSCProduct.asp?PGFLngID=1&ItmID=31745711

[@joeymalin]

What about the commencal meta am?? It was on their website now it’s off and I couldn’t find a review anywhere!

[@davidspidle1985]

I haven’t ridden the am. But there is another KZbinr on here that compares a sx vs an am and he preferred the sx.

[@brandontrent7314]

Fuckn hated my am. Seat tupe is super long and the depth is short

[@ivanbelyov]

I ask if it is possible to convert SX to AM

[@明聪邓]

u need a 216 * 63 rear shock

[@tehalexy]

9:52 how much NM there? cant find the info ...

[@basticf]

9 nm

[@jbjab99]

How come you didn't put a coil shock on it. SX model has a coil shock. Fox X 2 is one the best shocks you can get. But coil is meant for the SX.

[@dkendy1]

But the TR is so good, Dont know why you'd want to change it, did you watch the pinkbike reviews of the SX?

[@handpanler]

dont the TR and SX have the same rocker link? so if you have a '22 TR then all you need is a different shock length, right?

[@davidspidle1985]

Same Clevis. Different rocker.

[@handpanler]

@@davidspidle1985 nevermind i figured it out. the rocker link for the second half of 22 is the same as the SX. the rocker link for the first batch of 22's is different than the SX. Interesting. Do you have the bearing to bearing measurement of each?

[@davidspidle1985]

@@handpanler not off hand right now but both use the same bearings. I was able to swap mine over from my old linkage.