Companies trying to get employees back in the office

Executives are increasing efforts to get workers back into the office with a combination of threats and incentives. Google is cracking down, while Salesforce is pledging donations to charity from June 12-23. #salesforce #google #shorts

[@jacobhebert667]

Dont pretend the "$10 donation to charity" is generosity. Salesforce already marked 250,000 dollars reserved for charity, so what they actually threaten is to take away $10 for every day an employee doesnt cone to work. The effect is the same, but the process is much scummier.

[@bettrhalf8006]

Don't forget the tax write-offs and good PR (which translates into increased company worth) they get from those donations!

[@deadmann320]

​@@bettrhalf8006 exactly! They arnt doing that out of the goodness of their heart, its a write off so they lose absolutely nothing for doing it while getting the PR boost

[@BillBrasky368]

What’s scummier; donating money just to get employees to show up and do their job Or Not showing up to work when you’re supposed to because you think you don’t need to? This whole generation needs a reset.

[@Iamttuk]

​@@BillBrasky368 productivity hit an all time high during the pandemic when most companies had a work from home policy, but go off.

[@BillBrasky368]

@@Iamttuk can you show that stat? It doesn’t matter because the employer said come in. You arguing “but people are more productive…” doesn’t matter. Employer says come in, come in or get fired… but go off.

[@MWSin1]

For some reason, managers aren't happy that people are demonstrating equal or superior productivity without close managerial oversight.

[@mackeralsmackers]

They don't wanna get cut 😂

[@Stansbrokenhandle]

Oh no, those poor middle managers...

[@saefak8350]

those 10 dollars are a tax write off anyways usually the owners set up the charity under a different name and a good portion goes back to shareholders for having a position such as manager VP or costs it’s all a scam on the side note if you ever wanna donate do so yourself nothing wrong with helping a human being and no wrong in recording it for tax season keep receipts!

[@TheRisky9]

They actually aren't, but okay.

[@austinhall3937]

You're in a delusion. I can't get any of the IT team to do anything. I've had a loss of communications to a 40 MW solar farm for 2 weeks and no one is responding to my calls or emails.

[@suprizeoptomist4680]

"We need you to work in the offi e so we can legitimize the existence of 90% of our middle management staff."

[@raymondreddington5847]

You guys don't understand. There are executives and managers who need to feel powerful in their fancy offices. Keep them in your prayers

[@0IIIIII]

I’d like to think this is for more sensible reasons like productivity

[@raymondreddington5847]

@@0IIIIII You can achieve that by setting deadlines

[@dontmindmejustlurking4012]

​@@0IIIIII Many companies reported higher productivity and greater employee satisfaction when working from home was implemented. The stats don't lie.

[@timdowney6721]

@@0IIIIII There are plenty of bosses who’ve never gotten over trying to boss their younger siblings around.

[@DigoryJames]

In the arms of the angelsss...fly awayyyy

[@Alverant]

It's a control freak thing. I think seeing their worker ants slaving away at the office makes them sexually excited.

[@sweet_iris]

Power kink

[@user-tj5of1de6n]

@@sweet_iris1yr fetidh

[@socahha]

600th like

[@FantasmagoriaAhoy]

❤😂

[@sarahm9723]

There was a time when CEOs actually were always in the office. Now the only one who shows up in the office is Elon Musk. Maybe another one or two. That's it.

[@raymondreddington5847]

Who would've thought that work without commuting, drama and sexual harassment could actually be pleasant?

[@33up24]

I get the employers point of view. What's the point of being a managerial-class turd smoker if you cant boss around and micro-manage everyone around you? Might as well commit suicide and give the oxygen that is wasted on their persona, wink wink. Just saying.

[@sino4275]

🤡🤡🤡

[@chrisknoblock]

It's lit, I never have to eat out for lunch, no one comes and interrupts me while I'm working. Please never go back.

[@Quasar0406]

​@@patriotrep2093literally doing work is not being lazy. you don't get to fire any of them, cry about it.

[@-Me_]

​@@patriotrep2093and while you're at it could you fire my boss? All he does is sit at his desk

[@EllRiver]

"Why is efficiency down 40% when it was up durring covid?"

[@youtubesucks1499]

I told my employees, return or we accept your resignation. I literally ran help wanted ads for their positions.... guess what? They returned.

[@EllRiver]

@@youtubesucks1499 sure but they won't be working as hard and I am 100% sure they all hate you now. See you just killed morale and ruined your efeincy. As I said workforce efeincy os down 40% people are working less by 40% I didn't say they werent working.

[@xald1234114]

​@@youtubesucks1499I would have filled out the application for my own position as I have in the past. I was working maintenance (not a work from home position but funny none the less) for 20 bucks and hour and saw an ad for exactly my position and saw they had hired someone who literally could not operate a measuring tape or drill for 25/hr and I got denied a raise for just 2 dollars an hour, so I applied and got accepted, and turned up for an interview and we got all the way through the onboard process when they realized I already had an account on their hours tracking and was on payroll, they weren't happy at all and I swiftly left them with no notice to go take a job working 28 an hour doing less work and better hours and benefits, with raises on a set schedule after a certain amount of hours worked. Its a workers market out there as long as you chose to work in an industry that isn't over saturated (or what's the corporate term.... Highly competitive?) it's just a job fam, you're not the king shit of turd Island you think you are.

[@jackforshaw4439]

Because the commute is and always has been the most stressful part of the day. Here's an idea, stop paying for all that office space you don't need, enjoy the profit and productivity boost, and enjoy having employees with better work-life balance

[@EllRiver]

@@jackforshaw4439 But then how can they control the empolyees soul?

[@beepbopp54]

corporations: Why are our underpaid and uninsured employees quitting en masse? We give them monthly pizza parties!

[@veronicamaine3813]

Lol this made me think of the severance waffle party

[@BillBrasky368]

Just filtering out the bad/self-important employees.

[@Chalkadoo]

@@BillBrasky368 God boot soles must taste REALLY good these days for you to be licking them like that.

[@jb663]

google and Salesforce employees are surely neither underpaid or uninsured

[@Leg1503]

@@BillBrasky368 You can live in your dystopian world of sadness while the rest of us improve our conditions

[@Zableghhhh]

What’s really interesting about the salesforce thing is that they apparently have already earmarked the 2.5 million. So instead of donating 10 dollars every time you come in, they’re taking away 10 dollars from the fund every time you don’t

[@andrewstocks227]

No they aren't. Cause every dollar donated gives tax benefits. That money's getting donated either way

[@littlesparkkitten]

@@andrewstocks227unlikely. If they are offering it as an incentive in paperwork, and it turns out they do it anyway, they’ve lied on legal employee documentation

[@dannysplace7]

Of course they did, it needs to be budgeted for...

[@kai223noa6]

My coworkers and I had to come to the office to do our jobs. I got sick and couldn’t even get tested, at that point it was taking 7 weeks to get test results. Seems melodramatic to say this now but I had a will prepared. There were at least 3 that got really bad cases of COVID. And even more when Omicron hit. Once we got the vaccines I was told my services were no longer required. This despite the fact we were understaffed and the dept lead was begging them not to end my contract. That is how great full they were for risking our health to keep the company running.

[@boxes_full]

@null null victim blaming is not cute

[@boxes_full]

@null null it’s reaaaaally bold for you to assume this person could just quit and find a new job while they’re also sick with a deadly virus

[@Beluinus]

We worked from home for 2 and a half years. I was absolutely fine the entire time. A week after going back to the office... Boom. I get covid.

[@tech9803]

Our managers' egos are hurting not having people to boss around in person

[@Nerdfighter958]

It literally shouldn’t matter if we’re there physically or not

[@pietrob.9329]

Yeah I mean, as long as you are doing your job you could be at the beach for all the employer cares.

[@jacobc9221]

Yeah, remote work even gives us more housing options so we don't have to rely on predatory landlords! Wait...

[@cindy9881]

It’s because these people usually are on a lease contract with the building until a certain time and want the space to be utilized otherwise it’s a waste for them

[@potatopirate5557]

It would matter, they could save a ton of money on overhead by downsizing office space.

[@redrkstone]

Productivity has been falling, they are just trying to arrest that fall.

[@JustAGroundhog]

These employers act like the office is powered by the souls that get sucked out of the employees

[@koboldsage9112]

aren't they?

[@S.A.White...]

Silt verses style

[@JustAGroundhog]

@@koboldsage9112 perhaps they are

[@Dream-bebe]

Powerful 💥

[@ohheyemmi]

Corporations will do absolutely ANYTHING to try to get employees to come back....except pay a liveable wage. I mean I cant blame them, its not like corporate america is seeing RECORD PROFITS or anything... Everyone: "I cant afford to buy groceries and Im short on rent even though I work 80 hours a week. Can you pay me a little more to compensate for inflation please?" USA, Inc.: "We got a foosball table" Everyone: "Thats great, but I cant eat foosball. Can you just pay us a liveable-" USA,Inc: "Pizza party!" E: "Thats great for a day, but I have a kid and I cant really afford to keep working here. With the commute Im literally losing money every month. U: "Every month we have a cake day." E: "Okay, but-" U: "We have a small dark room with a chair you can use for a nap, but no longer than 5 minutes." Everyone: ...

[@AnalogWinter]

It’s cute how employers think that all employees can even afford to start coming into the office more. The cost of living has soared since everyone started working remotely and a lot of people who were once thriving are now barely surviving. If companies want their knowledge workers back on site, they’re going to have to adjust to reality and pay the going market rate.

[@amrell2240]

its cute to think that they are fully in controll, the moment people unionize, they will see the power of the masses

[@pietrob.9329]

​@@amrell2240oh, they already know it and they are scared. They have to hire someone to bust unions because they fear them so much.

[@tuxtitan780]

​@@amrell2240we need what france has all over the world. The government or companies trying to get one over workers and millions of people going on strike and shutting down every public service and the economy at once to get the companies or government to meet their demands.

[@LittleBunnyKungFoo]

Baseline pay has risen as well. If someone could afford to go to work in 2019 they can afford it today. If they cant, they need to find another job. Employees have their pick right now

[@MaximusChivus]

​@@LittleBunnyKungFoo Inflation has gone up and cost of living has gone up relative to inflation, and the rate of pay has not risen enough to counteract that.

[@krisa3528]

My company said y’all can work from home with zero impact to your productivity in fact your productivity is better, your happier and we don’t have to lease office space anymore?? Fantastic done and done everyone is WFH permanent. Came up with new ways of training for WFH new hires. It’s been nice

[@sheeshee5083]

Please hire me

[@krisa3528]

@@nullnull3553 the only thing they haven’t done is open hiring for the entire US they are still saying you have to have an office in your area to be able to. There are still office but they aren’t for CSRs they are for positions where you have to go into the office. I am Snr CSR for a health insurance company. It’s call center type work. Inbound so depending on where you live and if you are ok with that type of work. The pay is decent the benefits are great and plenty of PTO and match 401k. Im happy to answer questions and if you are still interested then I will give you company name 😊😊

[@matthewgower689]

We turned around on a dime to work remotely, and still be as productive as possible. What a way to say thanks.

[@anakinlowground5515]

Actually, people were far more productive during lockdown, and productivity is taking a nosedive due to the return to the office

[@BillBrasky368]

You did that voluntarily because you were scared of a virus. Stop pretending you were doing anyone a favor by not going to work for “Your safety”.

[@BillBrasky368]

@Lee Smith no, not a single one. I live in NY, very authoritarian/“progressive” and never needed to. Not a single state made it illegal not to. Stop blaming others for your choices, especially when the myocarditis and brain tumors kick in. You made the choice to get it… the end.

[@Drummerx04]

​@@BillBrasky368The United States Navy directly instructed all non essential personnel, civilian and Contractor, to work from home around March of 2020. Unless you worked primarily in a classified network, you went home and you only came in if you needed to test against on site assets. I appreciate your open conspiracy shilling though. It makes it much easier to move on after a quick reply, because no amount of explanation or counterexample can fix someone who ate lead as a child.

[@BillBrasky368]

@@Drummerx04 no amount of explaining or counter examples can fix what you just said, lol. We’re just going to pretend you were forced to do it? Lmao, don’t make me laugh. Many many many people lost their jobs because they refused to get the shot, and the crazy’s response; “well you can quit but no one is MAKING you get the vaccine!” So nice try with your conspiracy theory of “they forced me to!!! Whaaaawhaaa”, no one forced you, you made a decision just as those who didn’t get the vaccine made a decision. You could have quit! Man that boomerang is awesome coming back around! Sucks to be you, but “no one forced you”. Lmfao

[@akwa2273]

If they give you 10 dollars they lose it. If they donate it to charity they can claim it as deductable and pay less tax.

[@Darcnhife]

Oh, I see.

[@70newlife]

Shows how much you know about how the world works. 😂😂

[@ashenmoonclash]

Giving it to the employee is the same amount of tax write-off😂

[@MrThepopopopo]

Commercial real estate investors are big mad right now. Love to see it.

[@Serenity-vn5on]

They can redo those spaces as homes

[@EricDaMAJ]

People laughed when I told them this “work from home” shit would end. “It’s all about corporate profits. Why would a corporation spring for expensive office space, office furniture, and utilities when they don’t have to? It’s all about the profit margins bro!” But they forgot about the importance of raw egotism in the corporate setting. All those petty middle managers can’t get their power fix by employees just doing their jobs at home.

[@RosemaryWilliams49fruits]

It's also just profits related to using office buildings. Using office spaces actually makes money in a roundabout way to my understanding.

[@regi4834]

@@RosemaryWilliams49fruitshow so?

[@hatleyhoward7193]

Middle managers aren’t making that decision. It’s all c-suite.

[@EricDaMAJ]

@@hatleyhoward7193 C-suite depends on the middle managers for info flow.

[@jimstoesz3878]

"OH downtowns will diiiieeee if people don't return to in-office work" and how's that *MY* problem?

[@spudthepug]

I’m very ok with that actually. Let it. Build more affordable housing.

[@deroso3294]

And honestly, no they won’t. I know I used to avoid going downtown during the week when I had to work “in office.” Now, with a bunch of people working remotely, going downtown is much more peaceful and enjoyable than it was before. Before you just had to get in and get out as quickly as possible. Now you can sit down and enjoy lunch and walk across the street for coffee or ice cream and maybe even shop at a local store. So now I’m supporting 2-3 businesses all while keeping my phone/tablet with me to check emails/messages. The old school mentality of working 40/week needs to die. The last couple years have shown us that we can enjoy life and work at the same time without being micromanaged and forced to be in a place that sucks.

[@mageds2684]

@@deroso3294 true, but that’ll make it so we remove extra fat, management, from working. Than where will the rich kids of America work once they finish college and work for daddies companyz

[@sumduma55]

​@@mageds2684 lol... rich kids. Are you envious or something?

[@Ren-sq3oy]

Because it effects the economy which effects everything from salaries to cost of living as a bustling down town area spends, earns, and moves a lot of money. Not caring about the well being of society will lead to it effecting you and having an increased downtown area with more small businesses and individuals earning and spending money is a useful step to get the economy back on track

[@BlueScreenCorp]

My favourite thing about all of this return to office push that has happened, has been that productivity has been dropping since companies started making employees come back in. 2020 was one of the highest productivity years in recent memory 2023 is back down to near normal, if corporations want the same level of productivity they need to just let people work from home whenever they want

[@scottb9997]

But our office building are empty and the owners are lobbying the government to pressure companies the get them back full again No dont you dare bring up the housing crisis happening simultaneously with the empty building crisis

[@kevino.7348]

What’s your source?

[@babybear0067]

"We can't let these buildings go to waste. It won't look gooooood."

[@snailmail1962]

I clean building for living so thanks for staying home.

[@crazyadam9281]

Working from home should be allowed to continue especially if your job is to basically sit at a desk for 6+hrs a days.

[@FlameSoulis]

Dumber part: I've been working from home since before the pandemic, and I've not only worked with the company longer, but I was also the best at my position, enough to land a promotion (which I almost didn't get due to being that good at my job), where I continue to work from home. I rarely call off sick and have more sick hours than I do vacation. When new management was created, the previous management explicitly said that my boss and I should not ever be forced to return to the office.

[@ellingeidbo8469]

Please move back into our absurdly overpriced apartments that we set up a shell corp to buy so that it doesn't look like we own a company town. No one else is willing to move into this part of San Francisco.

[@PaletaLee]

Exactly. 💯/10

[@gardnerhill9073]

And we priced out a whole lot of Hispanic and black residents to put in this Smug Rich Young White Guy farm.

[@JimmyJacksOfficial]

Who am I

[@ellingeidbo8469]

@@JimmyJacksOfficial A delicious rib restaurant that's probably paying brutally overinflated rent.

[@snoopyguy21]

That's not the problem. The problem is all these buildings are leases and the company wants people there to have a reason to pay those leases other wise the building owners will not be able to pay rent. Not good if a the most important and expensive buildings in a city suddenly can't be paid.

[@ADGaming-7619]

Ah yes to motivate me to return to the office your going to donate 10$ to a charity which we all know is a tax write off for you so if I come back to work you get a tax cut and I have to spend more money traveling to the office and back I don’t see how it benefits me but I have a alternant option you can let me work from home and I won’t quit and go to a job that will

[@Uncleduncledinklecrunkle]

Wow and this my friends is why out society is slowly getting lazier and lazier. Also who gives a shit if it’s a tax write off it’s still charity.

[@muhammedahmed3291]

​@@Uncleduncledinklecrunkle Its not about laziness, they're still doing the same work dufus...they're just saving petrol and time.

[@shadows_star]

​@@Uncleduncledinklecrunkle You should give a shit because the incentive is something that doesn't benefit you and only benefits them. You also, don't get to pick the charity. Society is also, not getting lazier. Don't know how you figure that one. If you can do the work at home, why is a drive mandatory?

[@Uncleduncledinklecrunkle]

@@shadows_star who cares if it doesn’t benefit me? It doesn’t affect me negatively either, if there is no affect on my life it has no necessity on my end. And it is laziness working from home promotes an extremely sedentary life style which is only going to increase the already insane obesity epidemic.

[@shadows_star]

@@Uncleduncledinklecrunkle It does negatively affect you. Transit cost gas and time, both are expensive. And promoting a sedimentary life? That's subjective, because you can always work out at home or go out to the gym. You don't need to drive to work to get exercise(driving is just sitting in a chair, then you're going to likely be sitting at your office anyway.). It benefits you not at all to be in the office versus doing the work at home. If it's not for you, it's not for you, but don't be acting like your perspective is the be all. Some people have a hard time focusing at home or doing their work there or wish for their home to be complete separate from work mentally. So if you don't want to work from home, that is fine, but others are completely justified in wishing to do so if their job can be completed without leaving their home. Why should they care if the work is still getting done? Because it's not about that, it's about controlling how people live their lives when it has nothing to do with them.

[@Finckelstein]

I'd rather quit and be unemployed for months than go back to an office. I have enough money to bridge the gap. What I don't have is the mental resilience I'd need to work in an office ever again. Good thing, my company isn't braindead and would never damage itself by demanding a return to the office.

[@mageds2684]

A big reason why come companies want people to come back to office is because of real estate. If they bought a complex for employees to work in and it’s valued to be 100 million because of potential traffic. Businesses that provide food and convenience will open up because people will come to them during their break time because they may have no other choice. Now, people staying home deteriorates the value of the real estate around those businesses and basically funnels all the money back to suburbs where most employees live. Hence, it’s completely illogical for companies to allow employees to stay working from home unless they want to lose out on a lot of money.

[@kreisindustriesaufsichtsra9408]

​@@mageds2684its prooven by studys that home office increases productivity by 47% so i doubt they gon loose alot of money

[@patsfan4life]

Good Luck with that

[@patch7738]

I honestly think you are week And need to be stronger. I’ll be praying for you.

[@Finckelstein]

@@patch7738 So you're going to talk to yourself about a person on the internet? Creepy. But hey, I don't kink shame. Whatever gets you going! Also, I have to inform you that I am millenium, not week.

[@brandond5571]

I haved worked in IT in the office for years, and you are not more productive. Commuting for several hours everyday, countless social chatter interupting real work, navigating office politcs. I now WFH where all I have to focus on is doing the work well without all the extra stuff. Also when I do go to the office, I still sit at a desk all day doing the same work I do while I am home. This false narrative that workers are more productive in the office is non-sensical. Just think about it, like really just logically think about it. I wake up, get ready, quickly grab coffee from kitchen, take a few steps to my home office and begin working vs wake up, get ready, get in the car, be on alert commuting dodging accidents for an hour, find a parking spot, walk to the building, elevators stop by kitchen to grab coffee, say good morning to folks, and then sit to finally begin working. Like stop, the people are not stupid and know RTO is about something else and not productivity.

[@andrewfitzsimmonds9963]

Some people aren't productive anywhere they work😏

[@drakemallard1486]

It's about all those big office buildings they bought. If they don't use them, then their investment looks wasted and they could get in trouble with their bosses.

[@shortcake1025]

You're starting to mentally unplug from the simulation. The government would like to ask you to rethink your decision... before action is taken.

[@sarahdockendorff8575]

I feel like a blended situation is best. Networking and collaboration in person is so much more effective. And zoom meetings suck. But for independent work, WFH is so much more productive.

[@dadude000]

Why would you commute 4 hours move closer .

[@scotttild]

They are afraid of losing control. I can do 90% of my job from home, they are still hung up on the old fashion way. I can be 10 X more productive working from home. I hate going downtown. Its a combat zone.

[@robertebert4644]

I wonder which politican made it a combat zone🤔

[@devinhall1631]

It’s a control thing . Not much else . Most of the time it’s fine . But if a employee goes rouge and starts slacking it is hard to catch and stop .

[@intranexine8901]

@@robertebert4644 right wingers, paid by automobile and fossile fuel companys, to make cities bad for walking and only traversable by car as well as demolishing public transport.

[@andrewgoward85]

Partially yes, but a big reason is real-estate and the fact most cities and downtowns consist of ALOT of office space and if everyone stops needing them and the owners can’t pay the bills things won’t be good for the economy to say the least

[@devinhall1631]

@@andrewgoward85 companies don’t care though . They are saving on rent . Very hard on commercial landlords though .

[@2989Ben]

I love that a new generation has taken over the Washington post KZbin channel and it started to actually make them content relatable and funny.

[@outdoorscholar6016]

I’m surprised that they haven’t done that sooner, the Daily Show has been doing that for a while now

[@LawTaranis]

Salesforce... "we will be giving money to charity, but every day you don't come in, we are giving $10 less"

[@balinthehater8205]

Employee: "Fine by me, means you can't get tax write-offs for that money then."

[@Nikodymus]

It’s ludicrous. We proved we could work and not be in office.

[@frankserpico6785]

Actually, most companies are reporting that productivity is down from people working from home.

[@LaRanaMordaz]

Well, yeah. During the pandemic workers have seen inflation rising, company profits rising, cost of living rising, CEO wages rising...you know what isn't rising at the same rate? Employee wages. You can look up the details yourself. Do you really think any CEO worked 1.7 million times harder than their employees during the pandemic? They've been crying about higher costs and how "no one wants to work" despite tons of people showing how they only get contacted by the tiniest fraction of the places they applied to. These people aren't convicted criminals and are qualified and yet not even a call back. The cost of everything has been steadily increasing using the pandemic as an excuse, and people are tired of working their asses off for wages that don't even pay for them to live in the same city as their offices. In general, workers aren't slacking; they are simply no longer going above and beyond their pay. If a company wants us to return to office at this point, they need to pay wages high enough to live within the same city, or they need to pay for the long commute from the places where people could actually find affordable housing. It doesn't have to be this way. Before we were sold the lie of Reaganomics where wealth would trickle down to us, CEOs made closer to 40 times the wage of their lowest paid employee, because they were incentivized to put the money earned back into the business so they didn't have to pay the income taxes on it. This isn't just how life is. The current economic situation was engineered to be this way, and somehow they've convinced a great deal of people that we deserve to be used like this. "Billionaires have seen extraordinary increases in their wealth. During the pandemic and cost-of-living crisis years since 2020, $26 trillion (63 percent) of all new wealth was captured by the richest 1 percent, while $16 trillion (37 percent) went to the rest of the world put together. A billionaire gained roughly $1.7 million for every $1 of new global wealth earned by a person in the bottom 90 percent. Billionaire fortunes have increased by $2.7 billion a day. This comes on top of a decade of historic gains -the number and wealth of billionaires having doubled over the last ten years. "

[@PpP-dr1od]

I actually prefer being in the office and when other people are in the office because IMing makes me anxious. That being said, if you want people that have been performing well at home to return to the office, you better be paying travel expenses and finding a way to compensate for travel time. Otherwise, let people do the thing that let's them sleep longer, save money, work more comfortably, and is better for the environment.

[@kreisindustriesaufsichtsra9408]

I respect your choice (its understandable) and yeah idk why companys wotn allow remote work since there are Studies that show it increases efficiency by 47%

[@geeksdo1tbetter]

does IMing feel more urgent for you, than email? I like IMing better than having people drop by my cubical, but I prefer email

[@PpP-dr1od]

@@geeksdo1tbetterIM is what I use for questions I need now or soon, email is what I use when I know its gonna take a day or two, and if I have to send an urgent email, I usually IM too because their more likely to see it first. It's not that IM is worse than email, they just serve different purposes. The reason I don't l like IM is I just do way better in face to face convos, and I usually get quicker, more complete answers, and I know if they've been asked or not, and when we're done talking. Texting makes me very anxious because everything takes longer and has less context than a phone call, and that carries over to work. I still end up mostly reaching out via IM at the office even if the other person is there, I just really don't like that being my only option.

[@ndchunter5516]

i think, the second you leave the house for work, you should be on the clock, since you are doing it 'for work'. i wonder how companies would look at wfh then...

[@senseishu937]

What is IMing?

[@Aji.467]

How about you give that ten bucks to the employee for going into work maybe that would be an incentive

[@michaelforseth8609]

They are doing this because it looks better to shareholders when people quit rather than having to do layoffs.

[@hotdog16000]

Seems like not the best strategy either way. Layoffs make people hate you, but at least you get to choose who you're losing. You could lose some GOOD talent from making your policies bad and seeing who puts up with it

[@mai_komagata]

@@hotdog16000 you dont pay severance if they quit.

[@Quasar0406]

​@@mai_komagatathat isn't relevant to their comment

[@deadgirlwalking4354]

I DID quit, found a work from home job that pays better anyways 💀

[@potato_goose4197]

They fr be searching for the $10 charity tax right off

[@oraenor]

I don’t see a point if your job doesn’t require you to do so, working from home improves not just the worker’s lifestyle but also less cars on roads, spreads people away from the CBD and ultimately better for the environment

[@noahanderson8688]

Yeah cities/govt. should create incentives to keep workers at home to cool the property market and reduce pollution.

[@basil127]

They basically aim for employees to resign..

[@MountainPearls]

I think they do it on purpose, as justification, before they are about to lay people off. It’s happened to several people I know and a pattern people are seeing emerge in the last 2 years.

[@shurnbrendt7581]

Cheaper for employees to resign instead of firing them.

[@MrNightStand]

I never understood what the problem is with working from home. I get all ym work done, I don't have to waste gas commuting and my performance stays the same.

[@kreisindustriesaufsichtsra9408]

And its prooven by studies that working from home increases productivity by 47%

[@dragonsheen3049]

Comes down to real estate. The fat cats paid hundreds of millions, if not billions on their shiny office buildings. Now they’ve collectively lost about a trillion dollars in property value- something along those lines anyway.

[@Dzanarika1]

Well, gas stations are not making as much money, car work shops, hospitals etc. Not to mention, spiritual and mental side, it is deep, baby.

[@SeliahK]

What happened here is the pandemic proved that MANY jobs can be done from home JUST FINE. Many actually had productivity INCREASE. As such, workers are fighting back against this b/s strongarm attempt to force them into the office. No. They do not NEED to. They recognize that this is employers and middle management having temper tantrums that they can't control every breath their employees take. Yeah. I'd quit first, too. When these same employers are whining about not being able to find workers, they will have only themselves to thank. People have HAD IT with the abusive management b/s.

[@vaguerenter]

Speaking as someone who worked in person during the pandemic, everything went to hell when people came back. It was literally better for everyone.

[@patriotrep2093]

You people don’t get to work in you’re slippers anymore! Their are millions of people who will come to work if you still want to. Period!

[@a1aprospects470]

Sorry Gen Zs and Young Millenials... your Mommy was wrong when she told you that you're special. Remote workers are FAR LESS productive, every study shows it and even those of you lying about it know it's true. Come to the office or you're fired is all the needs to be said. Gen Z's and YMs need to learn the past few years of Covid-era worker shortage is a once in 100 years thing... they don't get to set the terms of their employment anymore.

[@reedmarkowitz]

People not needing office space sure does cripple the office space market😂

[@bigfoot9412]

You must come to the office, or we can't claim tax deductions on our empty properties.

[@a1aprospects470]

Your comment is entirely false. Another Gen Z / Young Millenial pretending to have knowledge.

[@drill_fiend1097]

​@@a1aprospects470some cities are threatening to take away subsidies for offices with low attendance because employees who are coming to the office boost their other businesses like restaurants.

[@a1aprospects470]

@@drill_fiend1097 That's a different subject than the original commenter's claim. The original comment was about companies not being able to take tax deductions on properties if employees work remotely, which is false. But to your point... if a city/state granted subsidies but did not include specific language in the agreement that employees must work from the office, then the company would likely win in court to keep the subsidy in place. And since remote working wasn't a major issue before 2019 and most bureaucrats and attorneys who work for cities/states are third-stringers who have public jobs because they aren't talented enough for the private sector, it's doubtful they crafted subsidy agreements to give the city/state a solid out.

[@Dzanarika1]

@@drill_fiend1097like gas stations, car insurance companies, car work ships ect.

[@LeviForWaifu]

​@@drill_fiend1097Cincinnati did this.

[@JABRIEL251]

Literally the only reason for people who could work from home to return to office, is to justify having an office.

[@luizmatthew1019]

Quit my job when they tried pulling this last year

[@FlashKillerX]

I work from home 100%, literally couldn’t go into the office if I wanted to because my job is in LA and I live over 6 hours away. I took the job BECAUSE it was fully remote

[@testgamer571]

Yes your remote job is totally going to want you to go to the office while they knew you were far away. Very likely nightmare scenario 😱😱

[@SheaWiddler]

At this point they only want you to go back to the office because they have to pay for those offices. During covid people realize they could work just as effectively from inside their home and companies didn't like that

[@noxythegreat]

A little bit of disinformation Salesforce is threatening to remove money from the charity donation for each time a person doesn't show up to work

[@jonathanjoestar9317]

Meanwhile valve letting their employees literally work on whatever they want how they want and when they want

[@xavariusquest4603]

They have about 350 employees total. Valve is very very selective as to who the hire. They DO NOT let people do what they want, when the want and how they want because they have products and services to maintain. But because their employees tend to be exceptionally motivated, Google and SalesForce have a combined approx 270,000 employees. Their employees are not as selectively hired, are motivated as motivated, and definitely in need of supervision...that's about 75% at least.

[@jayceb2511]

I thought employee was more productive working from home so... Doesnt that benefit the company? So why?

[@picklepockle]

Control

[@tacocat318]

​@@picklepockle straight up there is no legitimate business reason for most of these companies to want to stop work from home.

[@AkiseAk]

Many managers haven't really learned how to properly adapt to remote. There's a ton to it and most current managers aren't equipped to handle it. In addition there is a strong believe in business schools that in person meetings are the only way for innovation. And as they're the ones making the rules... This is also seen as a matter of pride/tradition. And finally, there is a lot of vacant real estate should a company switch to remote (such lease contracts are usually extremely costly to cut)

[@deroso3294]

@Gray Just Gray yep, the biggest hit to their portfolio is owning a property that isn’t useful, declining in value, decline in insurance returns, and isn’t going to return a profit if they try to sell it.

[@shurnbrendt7581]

It’s a cheaper way to reduce headcount. Employees who quit don’t need to be paid severance, lose their invested stocks/401k matches, and can’t claim unemployment benefits.

[@dhwyll]

The Salesforce pitch isn't that they'll donate $10 per day for each employee that shows up to the office. It's that they have a fund of a couple million bucks and for each employee who *doesn't* come into the office, they'll remove $10 from it. They're willing to throw a charity under the bus in order to justify their hissy fit over remote work.

[@andrewkutches6643]

This is the strategy to get people to quit without paying anything. If you quit, no severance packedge, no unemployment, and no lawsuit.

[@papa_squat]

The difference between giving you 10 dollars and giving a charity 10 dollars is that one of those is tax-deductible

[@TheSuperRee]

You left out the part where salesforce said they'd take $10 away from their charity donation for every day an employee didn't come to work

[@testgamer571]

^

[@pietrob.9329]

Yeah accurate. I have no idea why companies do that.

[@nolyfe4814]

@Gray Just Gray Oooooooh, yea that makes sense now. They gon have to come up with another solution though peps ain’t with it no more. Corporate America is toxic as hell.

[@urnobody30]

I mean why do they want folks to come to the office, when clearly studies show increase in productivity and these employee get family time as well. These companies call as family like the dogs taken away from their biological mother to a human one 😂😂 most of these companies pay rent or lease, you could save money by not using unnecessary office space

[@nolyfe4814]

Problem is those leases they have can’t be terminated so easily they are in contracts to lease them and it’s extremely costly to pull out so they’re resorting to persuade people to come back in. If not for that they probably would try to adapt to remote work, maybe later in time they’ll do so

[@loona_mew]

Working from home is the future These corporations are mad that workers actually take a stance against their old mindest

[@virdino7947]

I don't understand ispeciallt taking into account the massive amount of money they would save in instalations

[@MrGamelover23]

​@@virdino7947control. As much as corporations love money, the only thing they love almost as much as control over their workers.

[@Tezemya]

Guys, people who work from home also show up at work. Do you all think that just because someone is not in the office suddenly all their tasks and responsibilities end? I work more hours when I work from home than when I work in the office. My manager is happy and I'm happy cause i hate interacting with people

[@nomahfuckah2080]

I dont see anybody saying that. There's still a difference between working from home and working in the office.

[@Tezemya]

@@nomahfuckah2080 ive seen a lot of comments like "you want to get paid without working" "you can't eat you cake and keep it"... definitelly there's a difference between working from home and working from the office. In the office I lose 5h of my life daily having to pretend I'm working when i finished all my work in 3h (my manager knows and usually allows me to fk off by lunch). When i work from home i also finish in 3h but I can use my standing desk with a threadmill, i can give some attention to my pets, do stuff around the house... I'm still logged in for emergencies but I don't need to be staring at a screen 8h. I know that this doesn't apply to all office jobs but too many can be done from home and maybe pop in the office 1 or 2 times a week for a face to face meeting

[@number3766]

Uh, no. Rent in that area is stupid expensive. Ya wanna pay 3.6k a month for rent alone? Yeah, I can't AFFORD to go back to the office mate

[@eldritchteletubby9319]

The charity one is sneaky as shit. The company gets to say they donated a ton of money, so they get good press, while also guilting their workers back into the office. The only winner is the company.

[@NikoBellaKhouf2]

They won't guilt me. The charity is most likely not even real. Probably one of those "let's vaccinate brown people until they're sterile" charities

[@deathdrone6988]

Kinda the point, by doing so they dont have to fire people and then give them severence packages.

[@bean7468]

and then there’s those of us who never were even given the option to work from home…

[@Venus_froggo1]

Literally panicked when there was an announcement for a different part of the company I work for to return to work but it didn't apply to my area because we sized down and haven't got a big enough office for everyone now that we've been hiring for like a year.

[@brandonn.1275]

I think a major motivating factor is the fact that they paid for the office so theyre going to use the office. There's also the issue that the biggest investors and commercial real estate are billionaires and their commercial real estate market as declined by more than a trillion dollars, so there's a lot of incentive to force people back into the office.

[@patsfan4life]

Of course

[@kariw.160]

What’s scary is when it crashes…

[@brandonn.1275]

@null null reduced demand for office space, when businesses transition fully to work from home they don't require office space anymore so they cancel their leases. With a large number of American businesses switching to work from home a large amount of office space has begun to lose tenants from the transition. Another major issue for owners of commercial real estate is that office space cannot be easily converted into residential real estate. The conversion process is more expensive than building the office itself.

[@Carter_In_Vr]

My mom got laid off from sales force nothing else said

[@juliakauffman3639]

so they have enough money to give to charity and they're keeping it? for what? they can obviously spend it.

[@dilutioncreation1317]

I really feel the sense of collaboration when a manager asks how things are going while I'm standing in a puddle of pee at the urinal

[@nolanschotanus2769]

The one thing that's most despised in capitalism is when any worker has the bare minimum of conveniency.

[@tallcatlover]

oml my dad works for salesforce and hes literally not there like 40% of the time

[@Skag_Sisyphus]

Salesforce actually removes $10 of the promised amount they're giving to charity for every worker, every day that worker works remotely.

[@Pikazilla]

My job has a hybrid setup to justify using the office but also so that we don't all quit at once. One coworker of mine is threatening to quit every month because they don't get full work from home. New employees are full work from home because no new hires want hybrid.

[@TheKillerman3333]

I asked my employees to return to the office. The electricians were nervous and dumb founded. They forgot their paperwork on my desk. 😅 Gave them a 10 for the hastle and tip.

[@mattberg6816]

We produce absolutely nothing here sooo we’re going to need you to at least do that in the office

[@chrisb.7787]

somebody has to monitor forums might as well make them drive 3hour in gridlock traffic to do it instead of doing from there toilet.

[@jamespowell2037]

The $10 thing is just scam. It's their own damn charity. So they pay to themselves

[@megzasaurusrex]

My mom lives an hour away and everyone in the office doesnt even like her. So she was like heck no im good.

[@stoptfg295]

why isn't my job worth more because it's impossible to do off site?

[@alexalexandrov9684]

How about goggle puts it’s headquarters somewhere affordable

[@hdeutsch1974]

Salesforce isn't Gove $10 to charity if they come in. They have a fund for charity and they take $10 out of that fund if the work doesn't go into the office. Pure evil on so many levels.

[@binaryghosts5131]

The offices are in the middle of expensive cities. I can't afford to come back

[@TheF0urth]

It's really funny watching this whole "return to the office" battle as someone who never stopped working and never worked from home over the past three years.

[@TheF0urth]

@@nullnull3553 Unlike most people, I don't consider my career a problem

[@ashleyguthrie572]

They had to have already budgeted that money, so really what they're doing is refusing to give the intended money to charity if employees don't come in. It's sort of evil tbh.

[@HammerOn-bu7gx]

In the immortal words of Monty Python "What are you going to do? Bleed on me?"

[@deelightful7996]

An office is a huge item to write off. They don't want to give it up.

[@sunnygirlwinx12]

They r doing this at my company they want workers to come back into the office makes no sense to waste money to go somewhere when I will do the samething at home

[@MadAudi]

I love working from home. Have done so pre-pandemic. I’ll never go back. ❤

[@cutekittenlady]

I once read that getting people to quit was actually a major motivation for forcing people to return to the office. Many of these businesses want to make major cuts, but dont want the negative association a mass layoff will have in the market, and so instead they want to push workers back into the office because turnover rates in office are actually statistically higher than remote work. (Probably cause having a middle manager constantly hovering over your shoulder is a major addition to stress)

[@noxproductions6851]

My company has been primarily work from home for over 20 years!

[@iamsofuckingcooldamn]

Hang on I only work 3 days at google

[@Mt12490]

At the office three days the rest are at home. Bunch of businesses have been doing that since the pandemic.

[@shubashuba9209]

I'm not sure if employees are in a position of power in this scenario. If work from home becomes normalized and your physical presence is no longer needed, corporations will start offshoring office jobs to take advantage of lower pay. The only reason why these corporations even hire Americans is because of our physical proximity to corporate HQ, not because we have magical properties that make us better than other countries. Once tech companies complete their transition to work from home, Silicon Valley companies will stop hiring Californians and find cheaper labor out of state, and then eventually hire outside of America all together.

[@nolyfe4814]

Yes and no, this might come down to a political battle. I’ve seen republicans fighting against stuff like this, trump and some one else was a huge proponent of bringing jobs back to America. I think they hate it when companies ship jobs overseas cause they lose out on money Americans would be paying in taxes. Not 100 but I don’t think our government would let this slide so easily

[@mageds2684]

Wrong, American employees provide American markets. If a company wants to make billions of dollars in the greatest economy after China, they HAVE to employee Americans and be present in America. If they off shore all the work, they won’t be able to take advantage of being in the market since the government wouldn’t recognize them and they can’t do business here. Otherwise, they’ll have to pay insane tariffs for being an outsider, which just isn’t worth it.

[@veronicamaine3813]

Offshoring isn’t that simple - if you think keeping tabs on American workers is hard wait until you try to keep tabs on workers half way round the world, for a Different culture and language.

[@seerofsorrow]

@@veronicamaine3813 this

[@ndchunter5516]

because offshoring jobs to china worked out so well, after they copied most of the tech we shipped over there...

[@jamezday]

Living costs up over 12% but companies are like come back to the office and we'll have some stale bagels and that person who made unwanted advances at the Xmas party waiting for you, yay!

[@hellooooooooo9079]

What’s funny is salesforce is the main program engine for work from home jobs

[@talleywa5772]

It could've been permanent but you have TokTok clout mongers posting shit like "how to fool your boss while WFH!" And showing everyone that more people are abusing it than can be acceptable.

[@0IIIIII]

Managers are hopefully smart enough not to be goaded by a random TikTok. If productivity is not hurt (a big if, granted) then there’s no need return to office.

[@Gamerblam]

My Dad works from Home on Occasions (He’s like loss prevention so sometimes he does and doesn’t work from home) But I’d usually say he seems pretty happy when he works from home.

[@alexwirtz9780]

This "return to office" thing is actually companies trying to kill 2 birds with 1 stone. These companies own a lot of currently unoccupied office space that they would like to put to use again because it would be impossible to sell while breaking even and is expensive to maintain. Also, many of these companies are trying to downsize their workforce but laying people off is expensive. Forcing people back to the office helps that office space get put to good use again, and the people that don't return will just quit, helping that company save a killing in severance packages and unemployment payments

[@Chris_dolmeth]

I’m a plumber can I work from home and just zoom call people through plumbing issues?😂

[@TruePaige]

As a homeowner? I'd actually pay just to have a pro on call to walk through some of the trickier parts without a full service fee for coming out. 😂

[@Chris_dolmeth]

@null null got me there.

[@branbranentertainment407]

Itll happen eventually. Tho most places can be worked from home nowdays but id like to see people back in the office...

[@Enderbrine98767]

Why

[@mikek4610]

Come to work or be unemployed….there ya go problem solved

[@justinhanna9152]

I highly doubt the Google employee threatening to quit would be that afraid of being fired.

[@joshadams2812]

​@@justinhanna9152 then they would just quit instead of threatening

[@korruptedapple3854]

Yeah, getting work anywhere and at home is very easy especially for those who have not moved the cooperate ladder. I know because I did that and got 35% raise and better hours soooo

[@justinhanna9152]

@@joshadams2812 no because if they only threaten to quit they might be able to continue working from home

[@joshadams2812]

@@justinhanna9152 so they're afraid to quit...

[@zachb4302]

If work can be done at home why do we need to be at the office it makes no sense

[@EytsirhcChristye]

My manager told me I clocked in from using the restroom so I needed to work in-person like that would make me more likely to be late 😂