Comparing $2 Knockoffs with the Real Pens: Kaweco & Lamy -- Also Jinhao 250 Review

I saw these pens on Wish.com for incredibly cheap, and my curiosity got the best of me. I just had to know what sort of pens they were selling for so little, it seemed impossible. It turns out they feel like the McDonald's HappyMeal toys of pens, but they do write lines!
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[@overlycreative1]

I found these pens to feel lighter too. I wrapped them in a 20 dollar bill and they now feel just fine. Thumbs up for a good review.

[@cannotfindcreativename7210]

I have this cheap chinese pen, probably not a knockoff, just a cheap pen. I've had it for years and recently i have been using it for stippling and it is absolutely amazing. Its supposed to be a 0.5 but i doubt it, its much thinner.(thinner than a 0.2) I just wanted to share. Cheaper products can be good too Edit: im not talking about a fountain pen here. Just like a... "liner" type of pen.

[@chloe2258]

Leave then

[@muelabruno66]

Tell that to my wife

[@felixxu9900]

Wow, who hurt you?

[@felixxu9900]

@@chloe2258 7.782 billion people haven't.

[@Luckyyshot]

+Chloe Renee What was this conversation about. Seems interesting.

[@awatson22]

The “scalpel!” *passes scalpel to himself* joke was too much for me

[@Vleeslucht]

Nanodoctor

[@brenthelm6257]

I’m not a huge writer or artist and all of my pens were about $1 how did I end up here... and why did I watch the whole video

[@abyssstrider2547]

Same as me.

[@kshitijdhyani]

The guy is funny and has an amazing voice

[@Otherhats]

B H because peter is amazing

[@sprk_music]

I am writing with giveaway pens.

[@RajivLochanPanda]

@@sprk_music could you tell me how to get one of those giveaway pens?

[@GarmanyRachel]

aliexpress is even cheaper, same quality as wish. I kept wearing my real Micron nibs out before the ink was gone so I started using the knockoffs, and I can't tell a difference except in my wallet.

[@SweetTea-Stephens]

Danae Goliath Michael’s has real Microns but they have a knockoff version. I use both. Only difference I see is the knockoff brand (looks just like a micron but not) isn’t permanent and can smear.

[@GarmanyRachel]

SweetTea Stephens the ones I order don't smear with water colors, but I have no idea if they're different from other knock offs, they're identical down to the numbers to my real microns.... I've wondered if maybe they were real but I doubt it for the price.

[@sakurachangt7237]

With the ethical expense of supporting the closest thing to slavery existant today. Do a little research and youll figure out why the products are so cheap.

[@GarmanyRachel]

You aren't wrong, I understand they make pennies on the dollar and usually have no other choice in impoverished countries, but when you're as broke as I am you have to pick and chose which ethical battles you stand behind. I make about $1 an hour, so although I feel for them it's a free market and I can't afford the name brand at the moment. Hopefully someday!

[@elmohead]

These pens are made by robots and assembled by robots. No humans are required to make these pens. If you buy the expensive one, you're buying the brand and prestige, tis all.

[@chesterchow1]

The ink in that Lamy knockoff is worth more than the pen

[@bonfiredevil3755]

True

[@kanishka.b8550]

True story

[@gregr1154]

As it should! It's the ink that stays behind on the paper 😉👍

[@adriangrigore228]

I have buyed an expensive fountain pen but I was not really generous to buy nice ink. I buyed cheap chinease ink of 1€ bottle. Then for some time I was so disappointed because it taked a lot of time to the ink to come out and when I was writing fast it stopped. I was thinking this pen sucks! But then I asked myself... what if the ink sucks? I buyed English ink this time ( about 5€ the bottle). You wouldn’t believe the difference...suddenly the ink was not interrupting and I was writing all the time....and thinking what a moron I was... I buyed a 200€ fountain pen and ink of 1€. Sometimes cheaper doesnt work with fine mechanisms. But I use the cheap ink for a pen without fountain( feather) like in the old times. There you fill no difference at all.

[@hxsm8090]

@@adriangrigore228 the cheap ink is what people use generally for dipping. It doesnt have to flow well through the mechanism, so no nitty gritty engineering. just need to flow on a nib. If by some reason you buy an expensive indian ink, you would find the case is the same with the cheap ink, even tho it's more expensive. just because the lubrication and the pigment is more concentrated.

[@paulx7620]

It's amazing how your voice always sounds like you are about to burst out laughing. It's really neat and relaxing

[@AmandaVF1]

I have a Jinhao and I prefer it over my more expensive pilot metro!

[@degenerateantics7065]

peter I bought a dip pen from a swap meet for 25 cents. The nib is rusty and the holder is cracked, but its was 25 cents. I am determined to make an art.

[@shoushikochou]

www.gouletpens.com is also a great option. If you are in Europe there is www.cultpens.com.

[@naly202]

Degenerate Antics , you must put the nib in vinegar. It will take the rust off in a few hours. As for the crack in the holder, no problem - a bit of sticky tape and you're all set.

[@sprowniesart7340]

The nib is the most important and the ink so tape the holder set nib in vinegar for a few hours and buy some good ink I mean there are many inks out there I use speedball, black magic, and daler rowney

[@BloodSprite-tan]

@@shoushikochou i order from cultpens because they just offer such great deals on, the only hard part is shipping. from usa it's pretty much like 15$ which compared to amazon is meh, but there selection is just so much better for single pens.

[@shoushikochou]

+Apatheic Indecisive Personally, I prefer jetpens.com. they offer more than just stationary. The only thing I bought from that was not stationary was the notabag. It is compact but I can use it like a bookbag or a shopping bag. They are based in California.

[@Harpoonthrower]

I don't draw regularly but I COMPLETELY understand your passion in an almost ethereal way. So glad your channel was recommended to me on a whim. Keep it up. Proud of you.

[@SaintStarcraft]

i use the Jinhao 250 as my daily writer for university, it hasn't failed me yet in the three years that i've used it. The nib does wear out after around a year and does needs replacement, but that may be due to how much I use it. The nib replacement is quite cheap and can be done yourself. The piston consistently works and the pen doesn't get gummed up if you take care of it and clean it every once in a while. I think it is a great pen considering the cost. :) hope this helps anyone who is interested.

[@gnomilius]

Thank you so much!!! I'm going to buy it for school work aswell but I didn't know how long it would last so I wasn't sure if I wanted it. I don't have much money right now so I was looking for a cheaper pen so I wouldn't run out of money haha.

[@BloodSprite-tan]

what did you do to have to get a nib replacement? i thought they were meant to last the life of the pen. speaking of which none of my pens have outlasted the nib of 5 only 1 has survived highschool.

[@benanderson89]

@@BloodSprite-tan Nibs ARE supposed to last the life of the pen if it's a fantastically expensive one, or for way longer than one year if it's a cheaper pen. The nib needing replacing after one year points to very thin, flimsy metal used in the Jinhao's construction.

[@BloodSprite-tan]

@@benanderson89 maybe. but i don't see how a jinhao tip is different than a more expensive pen, they are both made of iridium alloy.

[@randot6675]

@@BloodSprite-tan "Iridium point Germany" is only a marketing ploy these days. The most expensive metal you'll get on high end pens will at most be a minute percentage of gold or rhodium, not iridium or osmium as you're led to believe. All pow end pens have steel nibs, which, depending on the brand, are cheap and easily available. High end brands should have proof of the nib composition, and those nibs don't come cheap

[@IAMSOUND99]

turns out $20+ ink pens sellers are just making huge margins.. who knew

[@AmbivalentActuality]

lol

[@luccardi.]

Well, Big brands spend time and money on designing new pens. They need to have good quality if they want to have a good name associated with their brand. Of course they have a profit margin, but that is the same for every big brand in almost every category of sales. Big brands use gold nibs, which cost more than steel nibs and the pens are often handmade. Besides all of that, they still have a big margin as you said, but it is a little more complicated than just a huge margin.

[@luccardi.]

DrunkFuck NoLuck Whatever you want. I guess you don't have the capacity to understandor don't feel the need to think about something before placing such a comment. Your profile name says it all.

[@preke953]

@@raulquintanilla2849 have you ever tried these fountain pens, the Jinhao sucks and the lamy knockoff sucks even more balls, my lamy is more smooth and has no skipping problems and that pen just spits out ink too much , that steel nib of Jinhao works half the time and stops

[@dumbr2098]

@@raulquintanilla2849 i got a 1.75 euro pen, a 14 euro pen and a 92 euro pen. 1.75 feels like scratching a piece of metal on paper. 14 feels cheap, writes but ink doesn't come out quickly. 92, came in a luxury jewellery box, feels smooth and works nice.

[@pseudologue5965]

Ive used alot of chinese knockoffs , some have good quality that can actually rival the reak thing and some are just disposable

[@caetanosilveira153]

Depends on the exact model. Generally I feel like they've been getting better over the years

[@XiaoFeng895]

Most knock offs are assembled in the same factory that assembles the "real product. " You can go to a factory yourself and you can buy real products (without the logo) for like 1/10 the price. Sometimes as little as 1/20 the price. Some people buy Jinhao pens for like 10-20 pennies each, and then sell each pen on American websites for like $5-$10-$20.

[@XiaoFeng895]

The reason many people can buy Jinhao pens for 10-20 pennies is because most of the cheap pens is manufactured by machines and that causes the pens to become extremely cheap.

[@mikerose2504]

The sonnet is the same as the steel one from Parker. That says more about them than the knockoff though :) RIP waterman & parker

[@ainzooalgown7589]

I bought 3 Jinhao pens with 30 cartridges from aliexpress for $1

[@limmoblack]

You should do a drawing with a knockoff to show YOU don't need an expensive pen to art with.

[@Tommyvang187]

but he's already done that lol, those basic bic pens man.

[@blackeesh463]

Everybody knows you dont need expensive shit do make art.

[@LoganDark4357]

you can literally grab any #2 pencil and make a masterpiece

[@helpkelp3595]

A million other youtubers have done that shit already though, even a dude with a stick.

[@dicknorton2]

@@helpkelp3595 Ha ha, Peter WAS the guy with the stick...

[@InconsistentTechDad]

So a long term review on the knock off lamy safari. I bought three immediately after Peter posted this video. Of the three, one was missing the converter out of the box, another leaked so bad from the first time I filled it that it went straight into the trash (Seriously... It leaked insanely bad), and the third worked flawlessly. I actually still use the third one to this day and keep it in my backpack. I'm in nursing school and have to write a LOT. I fill it on average 1 to 2 times per week. My point is, the one lucky one has really held up. I use my Kaweco Sport even more though and it just feels nicer somehow... There's just something probably placebo effect-y about it maybe, or maybe it's the subtle little things like the logo on the cap or the engraving on the nib of the Kaweco... I don't know, but again to be fair one out of the three El cheapo pens still writes great and doesn't leak. Take this for what it's worth and enjoy.

[@daisyswonderland8644]

I have many knock off lamy and wing sung 6359 but don't have issue of leaking. I love the lamy vista knock off more when I change the nib of #5 kanwrite fine flex

[@viktorayy]

Ahh, this channel is so legit.

[@ShutupNerd]

viktorayy :D 【animated】 no. he is not verified

[@shx2970]

80% placebo effect

[@co2mx]

Ahhhhhh.. Yes.......

[@BetterIntegra]

never cut down the middle of your package. yikes

[@lalaithan]

I had a teacher do that to a box of books I ordered from one of those book order companies and my A Wrinkle In Time had a deep cut in it. Beeyotch.

[@-_-3315]

W h o t h e f u c k c a r e s

[@TheSatisfactoryMeatstick]

@@-_-3315 You do, I do, he do, we do, pe do.

[@Deepwaterjew]

Last package I received I opened it with my table saw...

[@welchsgum7195]

I ordered a box of chocolate and my mom opened it with a huge knife. All the middle bars were my favourite flavour (almond) and they were opened up and ripped

[@zeroc977]

“It writes lines” Got it!

[@bordershader]

I got a cheapo fountain pen from a stationery chain when I was at school, I'm still using it fine. To give you an idea of how old it is, I noticed the country of manufacturer was printed on the lid: West Germany. Cheap and old doesn't always mean unusable! 👍👍

[@AntonioKowatsch]

You should try the Jinhao x750. Those are actually really good. And I'm saying that someone who has a pretty big fountain pen collection.

[@mikerose2504]

They are better than my parkers (modern ones) way smoother. Plus they feel more expensive then they are. When I give people my 91 or 912 and a jinhao and ask them which is more expensive they all choose the jinhao (without writing that is). You can buy about 50 jinhaos or more for one 912 so I guess they are amazing value

[@4estfloor]

Any suggestions

[@Charonic]

Yes cheap products “can” be good, but well known brands are incentivized to preserve their reputation by *ensuring* that their products live up to their image. Often being able to avoid all the testing and doubting and being able to buy something you trust is worth more than several knockoffs.

[@sapito4506]

I've heard Parker is making useless pens nowadays

[@Horacekiang]

The infamous Lamy QC tho

[@iokarii]

Good pen can produce any country, China as well.. But:CHEAP AND good pen?

[@SWsuns]

The problem with the cheap pens are their life span, a good (expensive) pen last 30-50 years and the cheap ones maybe 2 years with problems

[@TSS161]

the most common problem I seem to run into often with the cheap pens is after they've sat for a bit they have a harder time starting up again. but 2-3 years for a 99cent-3dollar pen isn't bad. I also don't feel guilty about beating it up or losing it in public

[@matthieukiriyama7219]

I would say that one big problem that gets almost always overlooked in review is the quality control. Lamy pens -as much as I don't personally like them- are known for their extensive quality control that goes as far as writing tests before sending the pens out. Quality control ensures that you will always get a perfectly good pen. By contrast, when buying a Chinese pen like a Hero 616 (which is a knock-off of the Parker 51), your best bet is to buy a bundle of ten and then get rid of the ones that don't work properly. It's a huge hassle, and generally a cheap pen like that requires a few other tweakings (for example sanding out protruding parts of the handle caused by the low quality of the molding process). Then, there is the issue of unforeseen design flaws that only become apparent with time and use. What do you think of ink actually leaking from the top of the cap because the cap is an assembly of three parts that can loosen with use? These problems gets overlooked because most reviewers only take one look instead of using the pen for a few months.

[@henryettoit897]

dude its $2.50. Just buy a new one.

[@Noedell]

What i've seen is that people tend to handle cheap pens with (way) less care and then complain they break easily or have problems, while the more expensive pens are handled with care and are held in an ebony case with damascus hinges forged in the moonlight of the 5th chinese year and lined with silk of a thousand caterpillars. That's just not fair in my opinion. Most of the 'expensive' stuff we buy is only expensive because the shop owner wants to make money.

[@ChozoSR388]

Indeed, Noedell, you can't just beat something that costs less to death only to turn around and say it's just not as high quality. Treat the cheap-o thing as you would the more expensive option, then make an informed judgement after that.

[@sheperinogaming1986]

this man is the new bob ross

[@bthehuman6240]

No he's Peter.

[@tiberiu_nicolae]

He souds like he has huge polyps in his nose. Hearing him stresses me out

[@sus.drawings9056]

As someone who’s been struggling with bringing himself to create more art work, this video has helped me a lot. Since I seldomly create anything, watching your channel was making disappointed in myself, and also envious of you for always creating with your unique style almost every day. Anyway this was oddly inspiring because I do know that when I put my all into something I want to make I end up pretty happy with it. So I’ve realized maybe I just haven’t been inspired enough to make those types of pieces recently, and if that’s so then it’s okay, because if I can bring myself to create something when I know I feel like it’s right then I think I can be happier with myself. Thanks Peter…lol also your goofy little side tangents always crack me up

[@jackmaurer6432]

6:55 those lines were so perfect

[@paultrower2903]

I've been using a £2 Jinhao pen for five years now - it is a joy to write with and easily matches my previous Waterman in performance. How they make them for this price, I cannot imagine. Presumably someone is paying the price in terms of exploitation.

[@thecsslife]

And you are funding exploitation and IP theft

[@EmmyDereest]

Dude, Jinhao is so good for the money. Super reliable pens for 5 dollars (or less!) I got my start on Jinhaos, I've moved on to greener pastures (mostly Pilots) I gave my rather substantial (26) collection of Jinhaos away by now, but I kept the 9009 - it's a really beautiful and unique pen. Most of their products are either directly knocking off or inspired by other pens, the 9009 is a very classy pen aimed at the Chinese market.

[@jasonfoux6740]

I had 3 Jinhaos. None of them lasted.

[@DjZorlag]

The facial expressions, the T-shirt saying "TURTLE". Peter = LA Turtle (Evan Breen) confirmed.

[@SouthernArtist77]

The word you’re looking for is “satisfactorily” Peter. ❤️

[@aikobug268]

Thank u for putting this out just in time for my slumber. Your voice is soothing and helps me sleep

[@JollyRogerTheDodger]

I wish you made the video 1 second longer.

[@Hi-wu1se]

why?

[@alixtheprofessionalcatherd6850]

The Equine Addict 1234

[@Hi-wu1se]

oh. Now I wish it was a second longer! Before I thought it was because the video was like 12:59 or something, but then it wasnt

[@АльбиносКркер]

Mr 5 me too

[@halfshame6396]

I just happen on some real CDO But what do you expect People of who get satisfaction out of A pins performance I’m not judging I watch the whole video and I can admit had I noticed the 1,2,3,nope in the time I might have felt let down . Maybe the “crazy’s” are just paying more attention

[@dancinswords]

This was the first Peter Draws video I ever watched, because I was looking for fountain pen videos. I immediately thought he was a weirdo. Now that I've watched many more of his videos, I know he is a wonderful weirdo. Through his intersection with the fountain pen community, he has inspired me to get more into art, and seemingly somewhat ironically, to take art less seriously

[@bendirval3612]

That Jinhao looks kind of amazing. Don't bag on it because it cost so little. If the materials are good and it works well, it's good.

I've heard good things about Jinhao...

[@mr.chiken]

@Jinhoa was manufactured in china and materials are cheaper there then it is in America so usually cheap Chinese products are made from better materials then a cheap American product

[@haiderzaidi5551]

I was just getting a jinhao pen lol

[@5in1killa]

Wish is cool, I prefer AliExpress, the pricing is the same but you can actually see the prices.

[@pianoonparade]

not to mention the sellers actually communicate with you and tracking is pretty good too, all things considering.

[@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess]

Aliexpress is like ebay, anyone can sell there and they want the profit from the sales, the customer care later is the last thing they care about. Good luck returning a product if disappointed or product came defective or not according to advertised, your product may not even arrive and the seller disappear to never be seen again. I recomend caution when utilizing sites like Aliexpress and ebay

[@5in1killa]

I haven't had a problem with AliExpress. I know what I'm buying and everytime I've had a problem I almost immediately get a refund.

[@leepinlepin]

Same here...I've had no problems with Aliexpress

[@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess]

Caution is always good to have. I speak from personnal experience as my sister had a problem with eBay, where the seller disappeared and she didn't receive the product, and ebay only gives you 30 days for refunding and to solve your problems, after 30 days they will not even try to solve your problem. And Aliexpress works in a manner similar to eBay, where anyone can sell through their platform and naturally their focus is on selling you stuff to get their profit, and helping you later if something goes wrong isn't the first of their concerns, therefore I recommend caution when utilizing sites like those

[@aidanbernal]

Yeah, I really agree with your sentiment. I've had a Lamy Vista (same design as the safari, just clear) for maybe 6 years now and it writes well, the pen is still in great shape. But I've also had a couple jinhaos, wing sungs, and moonmans - none were knockoffs (they were original designs) but they were still cheap. I mean, they *wrote*, and pretty well, but within a few weeks the plating began to wear off and the finish began to chip on the jinhao, and the nib on the moonman sprung after nothing as it appears the knockoff lamy did in this video a bit. Still, I would recommend some more expensive chinese pens like the wing sung 601 and 698. More expensive, but made with better materials. Though it's best to save up and get something better like a lamy or whatever that you can really use for life. Thanks for the great video as always. :)

[@peter_draws]

Yes, I think this all makes sense.

[@limmoblack]

To prove that they are rubbish pens, why not do a drawing with one(not the jinhao)?

[@maepple]

Nice review! The thing with the cheaper knock offs is that you have to use them pretty consistently to get the most out of it. If you leave them sitting around for a few weeks because you’d rather use a different pen, then the cheaper material of the knock off pen will clog up and possibly rust/deteriorate. It’s harder to restore them because the nibs aren’t meant to separate from the body and the material they’re made out of aren’t very durable. But hey, that’s just what I've experienced. :)

[@cmralph...]

I Love Jinhao pens - had very good experiences with them.

[@robo329]

Most of your drawings remind me of a book i read when i was young. The nostalgia of it is very reminiscent

[@SomeAngryGuy1997]

I still remember the guy who ordered Nvidia graphics cards and received pencils lol

[@marshallallensmith]

I have a few expensive fountain pens and honestly the pen I always find myself using the most is the Pilot Varsity which is a throwaway/disposable fountain pen. They cost about a dollar a piece depending on the amount you buy at one time.

[@sdovas]

The biggest problem with the Jinhao 250, and Jinhao in general, is essentially the quality control in manufacturing. I've bought 3 of that same pen, the Jinhao 250, 1 for myself and 1fir each of my 2 Daughters, and one caps securely and posts securely & the other two either cap very loosely or do not post securely at all, and it's exactly the same pen model. In the same way, one writes very smoothly, 1 clogs repeatedly & the other needed to have the nib worked to line the tines up better. So in essence you do get what you pay for w/ these cheap Chinese pens. I also don't think of them as drawing implements they're much more for writing, though you can certainly sketch with them, and after all you are getting what you pay for. Great review, thanks!

[@ainzooalgown7589]

I bought 3 with 30 ink refills for a dollar on aliexpress. im dont expect it to be super high quality but good enough for someone who wants to try using fountain pen for the first times and not wanting to spend $20-30 for a pen

[@kanishka.b8550]

sdovas and that’s the different of price pays off I think. As for lamy they test every component of there pens making them expensive but consistent❤️

[@aaronbuckmaster7063]

I understand what you mean regarding feel. My father was an architect. But even he had less expensive pens and pencils that he said worked just as well.

[@sandramorrison99]

You got me subscribed @ 1:01, im very. impressed! Zoop zoop zoop, got me! 😂

[@dmkays]

I used fountain pens at work for over 30 years. They generated a ton of curiosity from coworkers who never used one. I started handing out pilot varsities to people who wanted to try one. I didn't want a RH person using one of my personal pens because I write LH and it takes a while to get the nib broken into your writing style. I think that for a throwaway, the varsity is functions very well. Ink stained fingers are now a common sight at work because a lot of my peers have converted. I wonder if I should try to bring back the pocket protector?

[@elk3407]

It's 4:00 am Peter. Guess I'm pulling an all nighter because I'll probably get inspired to draw

[@abrahamvinod9804]

Did you get inspired to draw?

[@bluegreenink]

That jinhao was my first pen! I’ve had it for 2ish years now and I still use it sometimes. It dries out after a couple days of no usage so I have to dip it in water for a bit to get the ink flowing but overall it has help up really well. I take it apart sometimes easily to clean too. Love how it takes standard international cartridges. The grip is just a bit slippery for me though. What’s kind of cool is that some parts are made of brass, so you can see a little bit of brass patina near where the body screws into the section.

[@outtabubblegum7034]

The difference: RELIABILITY. The originals will last much longer and will behave in a more constant way.

[@Real_MisterSir]

@O K Yea it definitely depends on how you want to use it. Comparably, one of the most utilized ballpoint pens for professionals is the dirt-cheap bic pen that costs the same as kids coloring pencils.. Price doesn't have to mean poor quality, and sometimes even a big name doesn't have to invoke big pricetag either. In the end the artist makes the work, and the pen only build on your natural abilities, and many of the cheap products can go a long way before they reach their limitations.

[@RPM.0102]

0:50 I don't know why I laughed so hard at this 😂

[@uvb5724]

Made me laugh too!

[@BrokenOpus]

Wow...surprisingly good for the price difference.

[@ChozoSR388]

Cost doesn't always represent quality. People don't seem to get this. Like, not busting you for the comment, just making idle conversation.

[@BrokenOpus]

ChozoSR388 I agree with that.

[@LarsSveen]

One thing I've noticed with cheaper fountain pens is that they don't work well over time. My Kaweco works great whenever I pull it out, even if it's been sitting for months. With knockoffs, I've noticed that I have to do a bit of "maintenance" after they've been sitting for a bit.

[@CaptainWumbo]

Think about why these pens might be so cheap. The working conditions at the factory, the safety standards of the materials, the blatantly stolen engineering and design, the security of their website. I don't know 100% what is going on, but because they write fairly well it's very suspicious. The cost is getting cut somewhere, and not just cause it feels a little cheaper.

[@abigaillyell283]

CaptainWumbo I couldn’t help but contemplate this too.

[@soccerdogboy8946]

CaptainWumbo it's 100% the lack of ethics concerning the treatment of the workers. There's many cheap Chinese knockoffs that work quite well

[@Basuko_Smoker]

CaptainWumbo definitely agree

[@everuby4787]

And you think that products which are original are produced in factories which are fair and secured? it must be nice to live in that world where you live. Most products are relatively manufactured for pennies you pay the over price for the overhead, the beautiful package, advertising, the celebrity endorsing it, and of course the vacation house of each of the CEO and members of the board, etc. Some companies are the ones creating these so called knock offs to then resell them then they complain, but have you heard them do something about it, really do something, have you ever wonder why?

[@androth1502]

sometimes, the "real thing" you buy comes from the same plant as the "knockoff" with only the name stamped on it being different.

[@howdydave45421]

I recently purchased a Chinese knock-off of a Kaweco Sport on Amazon and am delighted with it! My :LeTianp is made of BRONZE (an option not available from Kaweco) and came with a pocket clip and converter for under $6. A brass Kaweco Sport is in the neighborhood of $55 to $90.

[@RizkhyDestatama]

The problem with jinhao is their quality control. Apparently they just skip quality check, so if you buy 5 pens dont expect all of them work, but when they do the pen is really good for a price. But for chinese brand i prefer Wing Sung because their better build quality and consistency

[@curtissmoak69]

"I don't know much about fountain pins" sums up this video.

[@fododude]

Oh MAN! If this violin isn't a real Stradivarius then I am out $450!!

[@KT-cz7rm]

Hahaha

[@EntropyAcolyte]

I have two Jinhao X750 ($5) and they have always worked and it's been a year and a half since I got them.

[@beedroiij8459]

The way he said "curious" in the beginning extended my lifespan

[@MonsterDubClub]

The names Draws... Dr. P Draws.

[@ThomasA250]

I have a Jinhao X750 which I got for £4.99 on eBay with a converter included - and I LOVE it. It's got a very premium feel in the stainless steel finish, and a decent weight that feels like a pretty expensive pen when I write.

[@cptnbrown]

Lol.. Peter is realizing in this video how much he could have saved when he started out... cheap is fine for beginners

[@BloodSprite-tan]

cheap pens are nice to start out with, but having nice quality beginner pens is much less frustrating.

[@jasonfoux6740]

They don't last. You'll likely be replacing those $2 pens before the ink even runs out. The nibs come loose, the caps fall off, and they start leaking ink.

[@michellegobat9809]

I was given a Lamy Safari All Black and a Wingsung that people call a Lamy knock off. The Lamy came with an extra-fine nib while the Wingsung came with a fine nib. The Wingsung is still a finer line than the Lamy. I was also gifted a couple of the Jinhao 250 fountain pens also with fine nibs and I must say that for cheap pens they are a joy to use. One thing I like is that the Wingsung and the Jinhao pens come standard with the converter were as the Lamy it is extra.

[@salt-o-_-4688]

How did i find myself here? I- i dont draw that much, and dont really care what i use when i do, but now i have a sudden need to buy a fountain pen lmao

[@NiCo-tb4bp]

Peter fills up his converters so chaotically and fast he gets barely any ink in there and gets it everywhere but somehow manages not to clog or damage the pens themselves. Im floored

[@Ouchiness]

pen review: it DOES write lines.

[@liamvogel4931]

Thanks for checking these out! I kept seeing art materials on wish that I could really use for my work or my students, but I’m hesitant to buy anything. After seeing this I feel like I should commit and buy some. I don’t need the pinnacle quality materials for working with beginners and kids

[@AnthonyMartinez-jg8lo]

maybe the real scam is the pens costing a fortune.

[@MultiMeschi]

10-20€ is not something I consider to be a fortune...

[@sardinhunt]

@@MultiMeschi Do not worry, if you multiply 10/20 by the number of pens sold with that price I assure you it is more than the richest man on earth.

[@sardinhunt]

@@MultiMeschi I'll help you out: 7 billion people, let's round up extreme poverty to 2 billions, since a 10 dollar pen is quite the expense for a lot of people. Let's say only 3 billions people actually owned at least 10 dollars worth of pens: Now, it's just 30 billions, let's assume 1/3 bought 20 dollars worth of pens instead, we are up to 40 billions already. Now, for the final mathematical question: How much bullshit has your mother wrote? Reply in dollars. Bullshit= all the wasted ink that did not turn back into money

[@LoadPast]

Maybe the REAL scam is the slave labor it takes to make a pen which is being sold for less than the cost of the parts used to make it.

[@cleidsonaraujopeixoto163]

Because of college, I bought a Jinhao 250 - My aunt said that a fountain pen is faster to write and easier on Your hands. Been using mine six months now. Bought another. Both work like a charm, and my writing speed more than doubled. Also, they make quite a stir everytime I draw them in front of someone who has never seem a fountain pen.

[@pbasswil]

I've had 3 Jinhaos - bought after reading positive reviews. All three have some good qualities - good heft, a pleasant line, decent looks. But at some point or other, they've all screwed up on me - such a waste of creative energy, when you just want to draw. I've spent more time cleaning & adjusting Jinhaos than any pen except my one Noodler's f.p. (

[@lalaithan]

You've made me want to try the Platinums. It seems like a nice thing to have a fountain pen "ready to go". I have a love-hate relationship to the friction fit nib of my Noodler's pen.

[@lvcsslacker]

The preppy is a pretty awesome little pen

[@pbasswil]

I think so too! It's the Corolla of f. pens - it'll always get you there, painlessly and on the cheap.

[@leewmlee]

One of the main differences is the seal of the cap. With most cheap pens, if they are not used every few days, the ink in the nib would dry out. It then requires one to touch the nib to a drop of water to start it up again.

[@puggles9141]

I want those goggles

[@ravierclement2327]

The blue ink of the kaweco copy is actually lovely. I love that kinda of light sapphire blue.

[@jordancurran8627]

Petab Im stuck in a rut and debating if i should scrap my current sketchbook and start again? What say you?

[@LARA-hl5pf]

Jordan Curran I say yeh

[@patchworkpants]

I always do this and now I have too many sketchbooks that are all less than a fifth full. It's not very satisfying.

[@NickUncommon]

I think, maybe you turn it around and start from the back and let the sketches meet in the middle :)

[@cranem258]

Personally, it doesn't matter if you scrap a sketchbook or not if you keep on drawing, It's just sad to be wasting all that paper. I've recently finished one and I love the feel of flipping through it and seeing my progress along the way. It also feels very accomplishing.

[@tijanaaaa7183]

Dont throw it away :D its a part of you you put in there

[@Obcordata]

Being someone from China, there was this really good shop for fountain pens. One was about 8 yuan, slightly over a dollar. It worked really well, plus you got to try it there. It’s even cheaper than the one shown, but it wasn’t a knock-off. 👏😂🤷‍♀️ Just hope you don’t think China copies too much.

[@danmccullough2786]

If I get a tattoo machine and send me would you art a tattoo onto my human?

[@Crocs4cats]

Dan McCullough Spooky! I went on Wish today because I was bored and kept seeing tattoo needles on the front page for hella cheap. This made me wonder if anyone would actually buy them and if they'd snap off inside people🤔

[@vammanevanukas]

Try on pig flesh or something

[@jasonfoux6740]

The problems I've found with knockoff fountain pens usually come up with longterm use. The lids tend to start falling off after a couple months or the nibs come loose or they develop leaks. None of the knockoffs I've had lasted more than a few months before they had to be tossed. That said, they tended to work well for that first month or two.

[@79ped]

How did I end up here KZbin?

[@nlbdesigns8503]

- You are my absolute favourite you tuber to watch when stoned.

[@brianagrabener]

I just found you and let's just say i'm def staying..

[@bmbpdk]

First video ive watched from this channel; and i have to say that the sound of your voice and the sound of the pens moving across the paper is just so satisfying! Thank for not messing it up with music! PS. My experience through the years is that the bigger/expensive brands are getting lower in quality and the smaller/cheaper brands are getting better, so in some instances it can be better to buy the cheaper alternatives and not paying for a name or sticker.

[@Bludaizee3]

Love those goggles, and I love the late night videos Dr Peter! 💙 💛 💜

[@highpineapple]

When I fill my converters, I never dip the tip. I buy small pipettes and just squeeze/inject the ink into the converter. Makes zero mess.

[@ArabellaPottery]

You demonstrated that the person who bought a pen for $25.00 paid about $24.00 to much, and the person who bought a pen for $2.50 paid about $2.00 to much. There is a very old saying that says " There's a sucker born every minute" I guess this proves it.

[@pauljs75]

And in the category of ball-points, you can get a dozen equivalent Forte pens for less than a 3-pack of Gelios. (Slightly runnier if you're not careful, but they're consistent and reliable at making a line.) Not all the Chinese stuff is bad, despite being the less expensive item.

[@secretgaming676]

me: that's probably a small channel (looks at the amount of subscribers) what 600k subs mind = blown

[@kanishka.b8550]

Secret Gaming me too

[@TrinityMThomas]

Get a one ML syringe with a blunt fill needle. Use that to draw up the ink and then inject it in to the piston converter. Works like a charm, keeps your hands and pens clean and saves a lot of ink in the long run.

[@FinlayHamm]

_Helur errybody_

[@shenaniganstoo]

I am a fountain pen user for a very long time. One suggestion for your retractable piston filling would be 1. Don't dip your nib into the ink to fill it. Remove the piston and dip it into the ink. Or 2. Use a syringe to fill the piston once it is retracted. It really saves on messes. I have expensive pens, I have antique pens and frequently use knock offs with good results.

[@muelabruno66]

You shoud compare imagery pens to real pens

[@peter_draws]

lol hmmmm

[@annamarielewis7078]

Thank you for actually writing with the pens💝

[@starlinguk]

I have 3 Jin Hao knock offs, 2 of them don't work anymore!

[@XcaptainXobliviousX]

rip in peace

[@heliosium]

Clean the feeder, the nib, and use good ink on chinese fp and you´ll see they work fine. I have only 309 chinese ones and i´m happy withy them. But with expensive ink, not with cheap dirty ones.

[@slicvm]

Resting is peace

[@sharon1775]

thank you so much, l never tire of demos w/fountain pens and their creations

[@no_handle_required]

Knockoffs just show you how much we're getting raped by name brands. Not to mention they're all coming from the same place in either materials or production in some form.

[@blackout57]

That's wrong, Parker was made in UK, now they are made in France. Lamy is made in Germany. TWSBI pens are made in Japan. Please do you search before talking like this.

[@lvcsslacker]

are you looking for form or function? that's another consideration. I mean Pilot has a desk pen that writes better than the metropolitan in my opinion, and it's about half the price. That being said, the more expensive options tend to use more premium materials and better craftsmanship. And there does tend to be a point of diminishing returns.

[@blackout57]

Ivcsslacker, The distinction between form and and function is right. And when you pay a higher price for a product you pay for a better quality control, if this is correct, it is not always true. I cannot recall if it is aurora or another brand, but an high end manufacturer tend to produce a line of fountain pens with a lot of problems. FPN knows better than me concerning that point. Premium materials are not always better, celluloid is a beautiful material, but more sensitive to solvents (including water) than other plastics. Another example: ebonite does not like heat, if it is good a feeding part, you must takes care when you set a nib on an full ebonite pen because it can be deformed. I got a Noodler's Konrad this week end, cheap as possible, the quality is decent and the manual does not contain any special-chimps line. There are no do and do not, just a perfect DIY explanation. You have a trouble with the piston? Do not worry, got to the hardware store get an O-ring for $0.40 and fix your pen like a man. I love when you must adjust your pen before use, when it works you feel great. Those pens are strong enough to not be destroyed by a all but expert guy (as long as the materials are good). Of course, I do not want to do such thing when I pay $40 or more for a pen. N English There is one thing brands know how to do, that is the gold plating. No Made in China pen stay gold plated for long, even the >$40 pens. Brands (in the FP world) are protecting jobs, they are making stuff in EU and USA. MontBlanc will never make a pen in China, NEVER.

[@wickedcoolname5756]

Nonsense. The knock offs didn't have the same design and engineering costs. The quality pens made in Europe pay their employees fairly, have safe working conditions, provide employee benefits and pay enormous taxes. Do you think the Asian knock offs are playing by the same rules?

[@BloodSprite-tan]

the quality of the knockoffs isn't easy to see in the video, it's not until you get one in your hand that you realize just how bad they are. fountain pens require very tight fitting parts to work well, and the knockoffs rarely achieve such precision.

[@tommog8584]

i have enver watched anything relating to pens before but now im hooked

[@GhoulScoutCookie]

I may have just ordered the last pen. #youtubemademebuyit 🤷‍♀️

[@bastianandthebear]

I did too!!

[@x-changex-outx-oner8224]

GhoulScout Cooki Have you tried out your pen yet? How did it perform?

[@GhoulScoutCookie]

Randy Howitzer it just shipped out 4 days ago. I just checked and it hasn't left China yet! Lol I live in the middle of no where so I won't be seeing it in a long while 😔

[@x-changex-outx-oner8224]

GhoulScout Cooki Anticipation of a delivery can be such a pain in the ass. When the pen does arrive, hopefully it was worth the wait. What kind of nib did you opt for? I always get the fine or extra fine nibs. A good retailer here in the USA to order from is Goulet's Pen Co.

[@GhoulScoutCookie]

Randy Howitzer I know. I hate waiting. I dont think it gave me a nib option. Also bought purple one and no nib option. I've only ever tried a legit 1$ store pen and it wasn't the greatest. I think it was the quality peter was expecting when he bought those pens. But if I like the feel of em maybe I will invest in an actual goulet pen. What inks do you use for your pens?

[@rabbitofficial736]

I have a jinhao 5000 fountain pen it’s golden the design on it is really cool and it writes really well. It also came with a piston converter it’s made entirely of metal and it has lasted so far I think 3 years.

[@itzjustary4779]

Dont guch a book dy its cove

[@randomgamersv]

@Elise Fergus r/ihadastroke

[@alphafox1307]

Don't cover a book by its judge. Don't book a judge by its cover. Don't cover a judge by book Judge don't a cover by the book By don't a cover judge book

[@MrsHi1206]

Your knockoff Lamy 2000 definitely has a scratchier nib... could possibly be a 'rejected' nib from a manufacturer which had twines that didnt line up exactly, or the grind wasnt quite right which probably impacted the ink flow too.

[@sakurachangt7237]

I will never make a purchase from Wish or AliExpress for one reason. I want to be an ethical consumer. Yes these products may be cheap and extremely affordable, but are we going to use that price tag to justify near slavery of people in other countries who get paid just enough, so that governments can avoid actually calling it slavery?

[@jennifersnyder1443]

I have two Jinhao pens from wish that I really like. You can also get refill cartridges on Amazon.

[@bucket4459]

ive always wanted a fountain pen but being a broke boye:tm: too scared of the commitment of spendin a whole lot on something ive never got one might check these out tho owo

[@eldaroo]

UwU

[@lewis7607]

Check out the jinhao 991 or 992 they're literally £1/2 / $1/2