Comparing and Contrasting Rockland Ranch and FLDS Polygamy

Comparing and Contrasting Polygamist Groups: FLDS vs. Rockland Ranch - This informative video breaks down the key differences and similarities between these two controversial polygamist communities, exploring everything from their beliefs to their daily lives.
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[@VC_Home4Now]

Please talk more about the planet stuff. Most people don't realize that this is a mainstream LDS belief

[@cherylchristian5673]

Mormons don’t talk about it much because it reinforces the belief by conservative Christians that Mormons are not really Christians and will not be saved. Because they believe that Jesus and God were men like us who attained godhood by their obedience and practice of Mormon law, they don’t worship and trust that Jesus is the son of God and part of the Trinity. Conservative Christians (like me) believe that all that is necessary for salvation is to believe that Christ, the Word of God, died on the Cross for a penalty for our sins. He came as a human baby, grew up and established his church on Earth to save as many as would believe and be saved from the slavery of sin. Works are not necessary, though they are a “fruit” of salvation. Mormons have a whole list of things you must do to attain “salvation” which is to go to the highest level (Celestial) kingdom and become a god of your own planet and populate it with your spirit wives (goddesses) and children. One of the more bothersome things about the LDS system, that you can never be perfect enough to be saved because you are a human and full of fault and sin. That’s why we believe in who Christ is because otherwise we could never be saved by our own merit.

[@agirly1503]

Scripture in the LDS Canon never describes planets.

[@cherylchristian5673]

@@agirly1503When the elders came to talk to me before I was baptized, they showed an illustration of the terrestrial, telestial, and celestial “heavens” (if I remember correctly) and they were shown as planets. That was more than 50 years ago so I may not be completely correct, but I do remember the illustration.

[@agirly1503]

@cherylchristian5673 dang! They actually do look like planets in the drawings! But. As far as exaltation I don't think planets are mentioned 🤔🌍🌎🌏🤷‍♀️

[@debbylou5729]

No, it isn’t

[@clw87]

Sam- I really appreciate the way you talk positively about the good things you did experience growing up in the FLDS. I think it “keeps it honest”. It’s easy to “pile on the hate”, it’s much harder to come from the place you do that combines compassion and honesty on all fronts- both good and bad. To be clear, I’m not saying I think you paint rosy, beautiful pictures of everything throughout your childhood or give grace where it’s not deserved. What I am saying is that I appreciate and love that you do talk about how much your mother and father loved you in the ways they were/are able along with the ways the community and specific members of the community are harmful and dangerous. You do a great job balancing both truths.

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

Thank you so much for your kind words. It means the world to hear that what I say is coming across in this way. I am so grateful for my family and would never want to cause them more pain. Thank you for your support ❤️

[@s.a.6082]

I like it too, because for most people that’s life! The good and the bad, not just the bad.

[@pszczolka80]

Yes, I always appreciate this as well. It's so easy once you lose your rose-coloured glasses to be tempted to see everything through your new lens and throw the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak. It shows a lot of maturity and to recognise the bad without it colouring the good and be able to live with the mixed feelings and recognise that both can coexist.

[@meomy29]

I've heard that in the AUB an important role for first wives is to find more wives for their husbands. I can't imagine searching for concubines for my hubby.Yuck!

[@LivetolearnMama]

I remember watching this a few years ago and also remember when the baby died. It's so easy to judge these families, but it's important to remember that they are just doing what they believe is right. Thank you for sharing your take on this.

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

Thank you for your comment and sharing your thoughts. I (Sam) also come from a place that was full of people just trying to live a good life. It's so easy to judge when you don't know the full story.

[@vanissaberg5824]

Hey, I know these people from the Rock! A lot of the smaller fundamentalist groups tend to be pretty close nit with all the other groups and would mingle for general conference every year. I grew up on the 'Laub Ranch' in southwest Missouri (that's what they called the place). It's wild hearing about people I've met in person.

[@lynneddy8851]

Please talk more about your separation from LDS. The reasons behind your decision to leave, how your family reacted to your decision,… I feel this is a very important topic as so many are currently struggling with this same faith journey.

[@lizkt]

They have talked about all those things

[@accidentalaerialist371]

If you look in the videos list - you will find an absolutely beautiful episode where Sam & Melissa talk about their spiritual journey 😊

[@pamelavargas6811]

I have watched all of your videos very closely... I have yet to hear the in-depth specifics...

[@sarinabina7068]

The promise of "becoming a god" really appeals to one's ego. In the bible, even Jesus did not want that same exaltation. He said that all the glory belonged to his father. Wanting to be a "god", lusting for that glory/status/praise/power can be seen as a prime example of one not being "Christ-like" but rather being self-seeking and self-serving.

[@marcco44]

well said👏👏👏

[@Suprachiasmatic]

I just have to say that I love your videos. This isn't specifically related to this video but Sam makes me smile, I'm not sure what it is exactly but there are certain words that he pronounces just like Grandpa. My grandpa's from Iowa so it surprises me but I also love it so much.

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

Thank you so much for your kind words! 😊

[@FlowerChild65]

I agree! Sam doesn't sound like my grandpa but he does have a really relaxing quality to the way he speaks. Sometimes I will watch your channel when I'm feeling anxious for this reason lol.

[@Meganec3810]

Omg I watched this show on TLC! Thanks for the video!

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

You're welcome! Thanks for watching

[@China-Clay]

The documentary on this group was interesting, I would love to see you do more with this group, they have suffered some major tragedy over the past few years

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

Thank you! We'll definitely be doing more on this topic.

[@rosazerkle4549]

Enoch's first wife Katrina is my husband's cousin. 😅 Rockland is an interesting community because it's not cohesive religiously. Some are independent, some are affiliated with the AUB, some are not really religious and aren't polygamist, and I've heard that there are or have been Snuffer-ites living there. You don't have to believe in the same leadership structure to live there. Most, however, do have similar beliefs.

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

Thank you so much for your comment. This is so interesting to hear from someone that has a connection to this group. We'd love to get more insight from within Rockland. If you know of someone living in or from the group that would be willing to talk with us, please let us know. Thanks again!

[@Notmep]

What in the world in Utah is a Snufferite?? I’ve never heard of this term

[@rosazerkle4549]

@kathyl2863 It's a fundamentalist Mormon denomination that follows a guy named Denver Snuffer. Unless their doctrine has evolved in the last 5 years or so, they don't practice polygamy.

[@rosazerkle4549]

@@GrowingUpinPolygamy I'll keep that in mind. Most of the people that I know from there are affiliated with the AUB still and probably wouldn't be down. Who knows, though. Enoch is actually a very open person, in general, and is a genuinely decent and good guy. If everyone handled polygamy in the way that he does, maybe it wouldn't be such a shit show. 😬

[@sadfairy20]

How are men populating their own planet? Won’t all their children also get their own planet? Or are they betting that some kids won’t be good enough to get a planet?

[@kimmbaker6501]

I watched this several years ago. Long before learning anything about polygamy. It was pretty interesting!

[@hlookie]

Love the new intro!

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

Thank you!

[@cmrsnowflake]

I remember this series too, and really appreciate this comparative perspective

[@FlowerChild65]

I remember this series! I believe it was called "3 Wives One Husband" and was originally produced by Channel 4 in the UK. I remember finding it kind of interesting because they were literally living in the rock face which I didn't know you could do. Thank you for explaining the doctrine behind what they believe. But most importantly, thank you for calling out the ways in which they twist events and experiences to fit the belief system.

[@janetmitchell4452]

Many Native North American groups used cliffs and caves to live in. Mesa Verde in Colorado, Bandelier in New Mexico are just 2 examples. They used existing formations to build in. They date pre 1000 ce., they are considered prepuebleons.

[@susansparanormalpennsylvan81]

his 3 wives are too pretty for him, sorry i am sounding vain, maybe he has the best personality, this is so weird.

[@Cluuur]

I have been waiting for you guys to cover this! Woohoo!

[@Nobody54321-r]

Love when you guys are able to do interviews! Great work, I have found more recent interviews with current FLDS and Christine Katas it would be interesting if you could get them on to compare notes with Sam since their are still current

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

Thank you! We have a lot of interviews planned and coming soon ☺️

[@junethefirst1532]

same and his family should definitely write a book, would definitely read!

[@janetsides901]

I’ve always,since my teen years,I’m 61 now,have said if it’s in the church doctrine,it’s being practiced. The LDS say they don’t practice it,but they then say you’ll have plural wives in the Celestial Kingdom. A man’s wife dies. He can again be sealed to another woman. Not if a woman is widowed,she has to have her sealing annulled before marrying someone else. I know that is a fact. I’ve known several widows and widowers.

[@agirly1503]

D and C 132 was never taken out of scripture so... of course polygamy is still a thing! The New and Everlasting Covenant! 😊

[@s.a.6082]

Yuck! Haunting Mormon women forever. Just sad.

[@smoore7614]

The next wife being the nanny makes sense, as the other wife probably thought she was already a good caretaker for her children.

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

That's a good point.

[@meomy29]

It doesn't make sense to me that mainstream mormons no longer practice polygamy. I mean, if they really believe their "scripture" they'd do everything it tells them to do.

[@wandarubin6300]

Thank you for continuing to educate

[@AJansenNL]

The apologetics to keep the women down, and to justify unnecessary suffering in general, is the same in islam. It was what I was told when my marriage was breaking down. My husbands 'solution' was bringing in another wife btw, which was the final straw for me. Sure patience is a virtue, but it should never be a stick to be a victim with.

[@ladybugmom10]

I really enjoyed this documentary. I feel like it gives the most overall honest and accurate view of the progressive polygamy culture and groups. Not every group is like the Aub , Kingston and flds. Some are just trying to get back to basics of what we believe God wants for us. My community tries to things in a much more organized and member involved manner. We’re not about power or control. We genuinely try to help each other on this path. As far as the comment about life is supposed to be hard. That’s absolutely true. Working towards a successful career is not going to be easy. Working out and dieting to be healthy is not going to be easy. Having children is not going to be easy. Nothing in life worth really having is going to be easy. But it will be worth it.

[@marcco44]

you guys are such heroes for surviving what you have gone through! one should bow only to GOD and treat their fellow man as equals, peroid. however, it's always man's ego that wants to be God.

[@mariasonderman5785]

I watched this documentary & i found it really sad. The second wife was so depressed.

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

We agree.

[@RavenT32]

Where is the documentary? I want to watch it

[@StevieHammond-mp6uy]

These rest are happy it's not for everyone and I know so many people not happy in their marriage and are very sad and they are not polygamist so go figure

[@Grandee7585]

I personally think they hold to old teachings because there are men who want a variety of women. I believe it’s about sex with the men and not religion.

[@StevieHammond-mp6uy]

The sex comes with huge responsibility and commitment it's not just simple sex

[@madreep]

I just can't get over the fact that they have a nanny!

[@yourmajesty3177]

Quick question- if the Dads become gods and their children are their kingdom-what happens when the children become dads and gods? Would the leave their Father’s planet?

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

This is a great question. We are planning on doing a video about the Fundamentalist's beliefs of the afterlife very soon. Hopefully we can answer questions like this in detail. Thank you for the question!

[@daniellescrochet]

I notice in these situations they say you have a choice, but if you descent they don't just let it go and move on. They will keep asking again and again until your guilty conscious gives in and you ascent. It's the illusion of power without any actual power. In the end the marriage was always going to take place, they could make a scene and lose favor, or swallow their feelings and go along for the sake of harmony in the family.

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

Sadly, this type of thing happens a lot. Thank you for your comment.

[@thuggie1]

My brother left the LDS church and said that he hated the church, joined a pagan group, and then ended up with two wives. It made me chuckle a bit. My Nan, on the other hand, still won't speak to him.

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

Wow ,so interesting! Sounds like a very interesting story there

[@thuggie1]

@GrowingUpinPolygamy yes, especially when he told told everyone at a funeral. Personally, I have nothing against the idea if it with consenting adults, but to me, from what I have seen with a few people, it looks very stressful arrangement.

[@prettyinpinky5937]

@@thuggie1less stressful than being in an oppressive cult who force you to pay them 10% of everything you work hard for.

[@ryanorionwotanson4568]

Pagan group? Hail the gods and goddesses of Europe! Hail Odínn !

[@starri9103]

I've only watched 2 of the videos so far. Honestly, I don't buy how 'happy' those wives are. I saw eye rolls, but they keep their mouths shut for the most part. The barely controlled eye rolls say it to me. I know they're trying to sell themselves as a better polygamous option out there - but I still only see skeezy men using a religion to cater to their base wants.

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

We saw those eye rolls as well. It definitely seems like they are unhappy at times.

[@starri9103]

@@GrowingUpinPolygamy Oh for sure. I do have a thought about some of the more 'happy' women in the mix... I'm assuming that being gay/bi isn't socially acceptable within these groups? Like Catholic priests who are gay/or pedophiles hide in the church - do you suppose the happier women aren't exactly straight? I know via watching Amanda Rae that fun and games commencing within The Order is a thing....

[@Tina06019]

9:55 The nanny - Enoch married the young nanny. What a jerk.

[@lillianfoster6586]

Hi guys I know it's hard to get a full perspective on one documentary but I want to touch base on The voting system we had when it came to wanting to bring Lydia into the family or not. My name is Lillian and I am the second wife. First of all voting system in our family is a big deal because we are a team and a family unit and we actually implement that system quite a bit. The little boy who did not want his dad to marry Lydia was sad because he wanted to marry her him self, he was in love with her. The documentary didn't catch the whole thing it was actually very cute eventually we ended up explaining to him that he was too young to marry her but she could still be a part of our family if dad married her. Also the camera didn't catch that I did raise my hand several times and there was quite a few points in our relationship when I told my husband that I decided I don't want to go along with it because it was a very long courtship and very painful, This was separate and not on the documentary my husband told me in private that he would not move forward because we are a team or nothing. Eventually I did choose her and I'm so glad I did absolutely love her she is one of my very best friends and we are doing fantastic.

[@Jenniferalvarez19818]

I truly didn’t know there was so many different cults ( religious) groups. I just really thought that no these people are practicing their religion. I wouldn’t of even thought that there was these crazy rituals and beliefs that hold back and suppress woman in this day and age. How wrong I was! Very eye opening that this is going on and maddening that more isn’t done to stop the abuse.

[@bridgwll]

I wonder if you could do a video on marriage in flds & Lds. In particular the sealing. I have watched & heard that a man can marry again if his wife passes but a woman it is more difficult in the same circumstance due to her sealing to first husband. If she was to marry again she wouldn’t be sealed to her 2nd husband unless she goes through a process to unseal her.

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

That is a great video idea. Thank you!

[@villemokellin]

i vould love that!!! I hope you find the time to make that video :)

[@marcco44]

I had a LDS coworker once, a very nice mild-mannered man, tell me that his afterlife was up in the air now that he'd been divorced. i didn't know what to say to him.

[@shirlzitting647]

@@marcco44 ""OH, is that a proposal? On your knees buster"". .

[@marcco44]

@@shirlzitting647 no i don't think so.....this was back in the '90's and i'm a guy. don't think LDS is that progressive. it was more a lament for his future

[@Momof5grannytomany]

I've actually watched the documentary about this particular family it was on Pluto tv.

[@BaileyGroe]

Can we do a live Q&A soon? I have new questions 😂

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

Yes! We are planning on the first Sunday in August ☺️ We'll keep you posted.

[@BaileyGroe]

@@GrowingUpinPolygamy ❤️

[@BaileyGroe]

@@GrowingUpinPolygamy **adding to family calendar 😍

[@daniellemcintyre5445]

I like the fact that the women can wear makeup where any clothes they like they are obviously outspokand!

[@shewearsfunnyhat]

I am really interested in their homes. Having part of the house in the rock would probably help insulate it.

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

We also wondered if they were inspired by the scripture from Matthew 7 about the wise man who built his house upon a rock.

[@lesliesheppard6112]

I saw this documentary about a year ago. I thought it was pretty interesting actually.

[@BigBilly-io3kf]

When the FLDS allows members to go to college, do they prefer they go to BYU, or to a different university?

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

The FLDS church no longer allows their members to go to college. Back when they did, it did not seem like going to BYU was encouraged. I don't know of any members who attended BYU.

[@BigBilly-io3kf]

@@GrowingUpinPolygamy Thank you

[@daniellemcintyre5445]

The guy that has the 2 wives and like 18 kids his father created that group in the 1970s after he was arrested for polygamy in Utah There are 3 more episodes to this one that you've watched that gives you more information on the background and into some more of the families you guys should watch It

[@orangeisforlovers]

For anyone who wants an interesting and more comprehensive view of Mormon fundamentalism, I really recommend the book “Secrets and Wives: The Hidden World of Mormon Polygamy” by Sanjiv Bhattacharya

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

Thank you for the recommendation.

[@elisemarie4894]

Have you guys watched Big Love yet? It’s clearly based on on the FLDS. If you haven’t seen it? I highly recommend! I’m almost finished and it’s really good.

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

We have watched some of the show. We want to finish it and then react to it soon. We are also trying to bring someone on for an interview about it. Stay tuned 😊 Thanks!

[@janetsides901]

Omg my husband and teen daughters watched it when it was first on HBO. Some of the LDS characters would have my daughters saying,”They’re perfect,that’s what they’re like” so many times. We were still in the church back then. Sundays were hilarious for awhile,then we left. Hilarious because if anyone said anything close to the show my daughters would laugh. And have to leave the chapel. We left when our 9 year old daughter pointed out that they never talked about Jesus. A light went on,and I was relieved I wasn’t expected to be perfect anymore. My husband never expected it,church speakers preached perfection

[@elisemarie4894]

@@GrowingUpinPolygamy it’s not a documentary. It’s a tv series on HBO. It resonates so much with anyone, from curious folk to polygamists to Mormons to anyone from FLDS. It’s really well done. I suggest contacting Cassi Thompson, she was in the show. I’m a horse person and she pops up all the time in my horse-y type reels on Facebook and seems pretty normal and don’t think she’s an actress anymore…the others in the show are pretty big celebs or poor passed Bill Paxton. I find most shows to be a bit much in the swearing/sex department, especially on HBO and this is a little more reserved.

[@katharinerasnake1119]

Have you considered interviewing someone from the ultra orthodox Jewish community? Comparing Sam's experience with theirs?

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

That's a great idea! We'll look into it.

[@rhondadearborn3265]

How do u go to the highest level of heaven, be with your forever family AND be your own personal Jesus/a god of your own planet?? I’ve never understood this.

[@Superhappymee]

I live close to this group and was friends with a couple of kids from one of the polygamist families there. They are pretty laid back and sent their kids to public school.

[@K99349]

Just a thought, but maybe there are so many break-offs in pretty much every religion, because each one only has space for one leader!

[@michellesunshinestar]

My patriarchal blessing said I was going to have a huge posterity. I ended up not having children. I was put on a medication that causes birth defects.

[@sarahissersohn5495]

On one hand, my first reaction is, nothing that has the word patriarchal in its name sounds credible in the first place IMO, but also, I do want to point out, even a broken clock is right twice a day. Posterity can have such a wider meaning than birthing biologically related babies!! (Hence that phrase, “to record for posterity) There are so many different ways to make a positive difference, and I’m sure you already know that, but just in case, I wanted to chime in. You can nurture a child, but you can also nurture a community, a project, your unique gifts, the gifts of others, etc. I can only imagine it must be extremely difficult to have grown up with such an iron-fisted emphasis on making babies. Regular ol society was intense enough in that regard, when I was a kid (80s and 90s, when wooly mammoths roamed the earth)

[@prettyinpinky5937]

Your what now? How is no one questioning patriarchy and blessing in the same sentence?

[@rhondadearborn3265]

But Joseph Smith died as a martyr saying he didn’t practice polygamy and the whole version of the godhead changed many times (like first vision) ….

[@kaylahall1219]

Are these the folks out in Moab?

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

Yes, they live near Moab.

[@rachelolvera9435]

I saw this andthought their Mormon fundamentalists. That third person he courted is the nanny.

[@nomadicfoodie6286]

Never Mormon here. I was raised in East Africa. British colonial until independence in Kenya in 1963 when I was barely kindergarten age. I grew up on a farm, indigenous people practiced polygamy. As a white girl child ( with super culturally trained racist parents as employer privilege) I was folded into every family on that farm. I watched how it all played out and every family was different. Survival and so many babies dying early ( children were not named until they were 2 and you could tell how many died before because their name would be “John who tried to enter this world 3 times” as the belief was the same spirit was trying to be born. Also, that child would be named for an ancestor that they were perceived to resemble. So much misogyny in the Mormon structures. 😡 “Mother of nations” was a British Colonial standard. White superiority over people whites did not understand. At. All. Colonialism, misogyny, racism all of that comes from an assumption of power over others. I prefer to believe in power with others, however difficult, long, and extremely annoying it can be. Peace is Love. It’s really hard to refuse power over short cuts. The more we accept power over short cuts the more distorted humanity becomes. I’m a Quaker. (Religious Society of Friends) it’s a difficult path and like Mormonism practiced poorly by many members. Our founders may have been bi-polar ( George Fox) or unappreciated wife of an uptight Judge ( Margaret Fell). Obviously religion of any kind falls into power over or power with values. I’m down WITH.

[@marcco44]

you know, 'GOD' and "the Afterlife" are BEYOND our puny imaginations to comprehend. it is INFINIITE, how can we grasp that in its entirety? the mystics in all religions traditions say this.

[@angelwingstn3392]

Whose wife got injured in a car wreck and lost a baby?

[@spookymicah3131]

Is Sam’s grandfather Charles Zitting?

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

Yes, he is.

[@AmandaCadorna]

Man, the Brown family have dark, dark secrets in polygamy and showed how dysfunctional those families are. I see the pain in the wives and how destructive this family structure can be.

[@pamelavargas6811]

I am curious if the children are taught to lie about their family group...polygamy is illegal after all...

[@beverlynewer4681]

I’m just surprised from the very beginning that women ever fell for this

[@user-dk6oo1rg6v]

They were raised in it They dont know any different you'd have to go way back to find where people converted to this way of thinking

[@christinastalzer2138]

But this family seem loving and happy I would have to be part of their family

[@daniellemcintyre5445]

No one can be a God! There is something greater and more spiritual out there but it's not man's job to try to become it! All those who proclaim to be profits of God are Fake ! No matter what the religion!

[@TheJacali]

Personally I’ve had lots of opportunity to take multiple wives. But I’m very conflicted about it. Because I love Christianity. I find when I let myself embrace the polygamous thoughts my thoughts become more selfish and it bleeds over into other areas of my life. I’ve genuinely had dozens of offers from women who’ve told me they’re super down for multiple wives. And they genuinely look ecstatic. Since I’ve learned it was an option I’ve experimented by bringing it up with women. Many are not interested. That’s cool. Some are interested but look hurt when I suggest it. Then there are some who look at me with googley eyes when I say I want 3 wives and 20 children. I’ve literally heard “oh finally I found a guy who just says it!” And yeah she was looking at me with the biggest googley eyes ever. I could tell all that was between us was me buying her a plane ticket. If I do decide to go down the polygamous route. I will only pick those women who look so excited when I suggest it. I don’t want to hurt anyone. And I don’t want to seduce first then bring it up. That’s not cool. And luckily for me unnecessary. One thing I struggle with is that I want to be really successful. And I’ve been learning about how the most successful men do relationships. In a nutshell they all say get one good wife and focus on your goals. Because I have bigger goals as well as having a big family. I also struggle because I like Christianity because put simply, it asks you to sacrifice the most. And so therefore I inherently respect it as a religion he most. So I think if I took multiple wives and went my own way that I wouldn’t be as god fearing. And not as strong because of it.

[@KatieCallender-ic4qi]

Wow you can become a god. Did anyone check this out with the father son and holy spirit?

[@esthervonepp8908]

In ancient China The first [only]wife chose her husbands concubines..I could see some benefit in a certain way but couldnot live it

[@DEMONICKHILLER-fx2ln]

All of this makes my stomach hurt. Do what you want but dont you dare try to ‘force’ someone into this life style. That is heinous and should be punishable by a capital death sentence. How dare you?

[@Michelle-gy2qy]

Where in the Bible does it talk about people turning to gods. That, to me, would contradict the bible

[@nylimat727]

Aren’t they part of the AUB?

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

Yes, they have strong connections to the AUB.

[@sarinabina7068]

They are not. They are independent.

[@sarinabina7068]

@@user-ut4wl2qt6y you are right, there are some residents that are AUB but dont they still have their own services/meeting house?

[@katego370]

The concept of becoming gods and goddesses seems really blasphemous even within the context of Mormonism. If you believe God is the ultimate authority, what about the thousands of dead people who have become gods by now? What makes this God better than the other gods? Why should life be about submission to earn the right to have power over people like you? It sounds like some type of diplomatic arrangement revolving around eventually becoming the master of others. The more I think about that concept, the more messed up it becomes.

[@pbj7890]

Just gross.