Comparing Spider-Men | Video Essay

[@ImplicitlyPretentious]

Alright, the next video is on Black Panther's arc from CIvil War to Endgame, and I'm still refilling my post September essay list, so feel free to suggest anything :)

[@katherinealvarez9216]

Implicitly Pretentious yes!!!

[@gtdmouse]

I think you should compare Superman Returns' Superman to the more recent ones

[@u710274]

"What's going on in Being John Malkovic?"

[@connerwareing3965]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Captain Marvel is conspicuously absent from your write-ups. I'd be interested in a video on her?

[@oscarfong577]

It’d be amazing if you could analyze the messages and lessons prevalent through Cowboy Bebop, as well as their individual characters through the series!

[@da1king0fwakanda56]

Finally, somebody who doesn’t trash one franchise to boost the other. I think every Spiderman brought something new and unique to the character.

[@Riskofrain527]

The only people who trash the other spider men are the rami trilogy fanboys. The amazing spiderman and mcu spidermans only trash the rami trilogy in response to rami trilogy fanboys trashing the mcu spiderman movies.

[@da1king0fwakanda56]

ermac was here Spiderman 2 is my favorite movie of all time, but I have to agree with that, Raimi fans are extremely aggressive and toxic

[@lala_1306]

ermac was here mcu Spider-Man is shit

[@lala_1306]

Da1 King0fWakanda were extremely toxic bc Tom Holland Spider-Man makes Spider-Man look like a joke. They completely went against everything that makes Spider-Man and Peter Parker

[@da1king0fwakanda56]

cdtZx4811 I disagree, but you’re entitled to your opinion

[@katherinealvarez9216]

Turkish Spider-Man is an excellent choice.

[@kingdarius513]

The Japanese one has a mech

[@Dilanalikurt]

Turkish Spider-Man vs Turkish Captain American

[@the_black_fox9136]

I would like your comment, but it's at 69 likes.

[@rubenabajyan4126]

Adios mafia

[@youngsirzo]

I prefer Supaidaman

[@spvcespvce]

Yo? Someone understanding the narrative and thematic arc of MCU Spider-man and how it's still at it's core Spider-man even tho its not trying to replicate the Raimi trilogy? That both can coexist? I must've woken up in the wrong timeline man, great video.

[@ImplicitlyPretentious]

Aww thanks! I try to be as neutral as possible, so I'm so glad you noticed! :)

[@rhetiq9989]

Someone get this guy to be in the same room with HiTop films to have a calm and relaxing coffee talk about this topic

[@mosesmessiah9098]

It’s not as good

[@MrJole777]

What's there not to understand? It's not Cinema nor is it good Character development especially when comparing it to its source and movies that did it better. It's different sure but after Civil War it completely failed.

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

I strongly disagree the mcu spiderman doesn't feel like spiderman he feels like mini stark and while it's not trying to be rami's spiderman just like amazing spiderman before it did the exact same thing made Peter the exact opposite of Rami and he was the one I can relate to the most and I was twelve years old at that time because peter felt real he felt like a person. I was 16 when homecoming came out and couldn't relate to these kids and i was their age and I found them incredibly annoying,boring,and cookie cutter. And to make it worse spiderman felt like an avenger because he was introduced as an avengers, and he still doesn't feel like his own hero or person plus the movies committed the crime of never mentioning uncle Ben

[@candraagusztya8086]

"Sam raimi looks at spiderman as the legacy of death, whereas the mcu views him as the ultimate symbol of life" I love that line

[@robl0xgamer258]

The most beautiful line I've ever heard someone say about mcu spidey

[@candraagusztya8086]

@@robl0xgamer258 ikr... I kinda sick with people who said spiderman mcu is useless without iron man...

[@devinjabairemoss]

I love that, man. It’s really sad to see the other side of the Spider-Man fan community disagree with that statement and try tearing one down to boost the other. They literally make being a Spider-Man fan such a depressing job

[@BullyGarfield.]

12:45

[@spider-man500]

The thing is, I WANT to love MCU Spider-Man, but I hate it. They can do something great, something special, and most importantly, a true Spider-Man. The foundations are there, but the fact that it's in the MCU, and that Modern Hollywood films are so against letting the directors do their thing, with the scource material greatly hold MCU Spider-Man back. It also takes so many notes from Miles, which hurts both characters reputation. But if they did it right, he can be an excellent adaption of Ultimate Spider-Man. Where it teaches the lesson of a youngster in a world of big heroes, that becomes something unique and honestly the best of the best, that even the young can do great things, and take on responsibility. A different thing to Tobey, but like Tobey, a true adaption of what Spider-Man would be, COULD be. Just give Tom a good dam. director that loves and cherishes the character's lore, that is allowed to fray from the requirements of the MCU, and Tom will get to play a Spider-Man that he deserves to play.

[@SaiyanHeretic]

The one true Webhead is, of course, *Supaidaman the Emissary of Hell!*

[@gingercat5996]

Exactly

[@idkusername5789]

It’s the emissary ‘from’ hell, thank you very much.

[@nicmagtaan1132]

insert poses

[@spideygamer8896]

@connextro Are you familiar with the term "alternate universe"

[@spideygamer8896]

@connextro The true spider-man is the spectacular spider man, the TASM and Rami films are mostly like the ultimate universe versions of peter

[@bettyreads222]

So interesting to see a breakdown of the similarities because folks focus more on why they're different and therefore saying one is better than the other when they're just different for the time they came from and what they're connected to, a universe of other superheroes for Tom's and the beginning of many stories to come for Tobey's.

[@ImplicitlyPretentious]

Yeah I tried to treat this as academically as possible so what drove the writing was only research and analysis, without my own opinion involved. Hopefully it worked out!

[@robl0xgamer258]

@@ImplicitlyPretentious and I think you just earned yourself a sub! I love how you explain into detail why each of these two spideys are different but the same in some sort of way. I just really hate how people put others down just because they think this is better than this, you made something great! You explained the core aspects of spiderman, and not only that, you how you explain how each are different in their own right, and when they came out. Tobeys came out during a time of the old era as I would think it, as for Tom's, his is more modern and fresh! I love how Tom's spidey brings life to the webslinger, he's so nice, especially gaining Adrian Toomes respect, and saves him too! So sweet!

[@robertangus616]

I love how both the Green Goblin and the Vulture interact and challenge both Peter Parker and Spider-Man but I that Doctor Octopus and Mysterio do it even better

[@ahmadkhalaf8952]

I liked vulture more than mysterio, sure maybe mysterio is done better but vulture was perfect to me

[@robertangus616]

@@ahmadkhalaf8952 I agree with you 100% that the Vulture was used perfectly for the story that Homecoming want to tell. The only thing that I think makes Mysterio a better nemesis for Spider-Man than the Vulture is Peter's rivalry with Beck is so much more personal than his rivalry with Toomes ever was

[@moviehermit5631]

Something that I really like about MCU Spider-man is how he investigates and works at fighting the antagonist before things can escalate. As much as I love Raimi's Spider-man, he only ever seemed to _react_ as opposed to _act._ He never interrogated people, he never went looking out on patrol for the antagonist, and he never planned ahead. He only ever retaliated towards fights, and if the antagonist got away, he would wait around for them to do something else. Even in TASM, Peter only tried to track down Conners to get the picture for the Bugle (at least he actually followed Conners into the sewers after the high-school fight as opposed to just leaving the scene in a completely different direction to wait for him to show up again). When you think about it, the MCU Spider-man would happen to the plot, while the plot would happen to the previous iterations

[@moviehermit5631]

@Lwandile M Although, one of his jobs (basically his main job) is taking pictures of Spider-man. While they are in very different situations (one spends most of the movies at college, the other is still in high school/ solo universe vs MCU), I still can't get over the fact that he would just leave the scene without chasing the bad-guy he can easily catch up to. Plus, MCU Spider-man does face consequences for his investigations (detention at school and having his suit revoked). Everything is pretty much a matter of circumstance as well as what universe they're in. I love all the different versions of Spider-man we've got, I'm just getting a bit tired of hearing everyone hate on the MCU version because he isn't in his prime within the first movie like the others, as well as how they've had to integrate him into the expanded universe (if they had the rights to him earlier, the character would have been very different).

[@EmphaticNod]

Good observation. I agree.

[@yikes_1219]

Actually, in Spider-man 3 we see that Peter listens to a cop radio to find criminal activity in his free time

[@moviehermit5631]

@@yikes_1219 Good point. I was more talking about the supervillains. Seriously, in the parade fight, Peter had a literal trail of smoke to follow as Goblins glider was damaged, instead he basically kidnapped Mary Jane as he swung with her blocks away in the other direction on a random rooftop

[@artsfan5683]

@@moviehermit5631 It was for the romantic scene we could get for him to say the iconic line lol But for real tho, I could see the issue in that scene

[@stretchyboi6042]

This comment section has made me realize one thing. The worst thing about being a Spider-Man fan is other Spider-Man fans.

[@thetempleton6622]

And that's why to this day I wish I never saw and joined this fandom

[@dhruvadange4778]

Poor Spiderverse, everyone ignores it despite it being the one of the best Spider-Man movie

[@lunasperidot8760]

Because it's inherently different and can't be directly compared

[@laikaperraespacial6025]

Is a another kind of movie xdxd

[@stealthy9599]

It's not ignored tho. Everybody I know says it's the best spiderman film

[@Mamamiawhataspicymeat-a-ball]

Definitely gotta prefer Spider-Man 2. Because I'mma Raimi shill sometimes or whatever the kids are saying now?

[@charbelbarakat3620]

@@stealthy9599 its great but not the best definitely top 3 tho

[@M64bros]

Let's pray and hope one day Tobey Maguire and Tom Holland Will do a crossover in a future spider verse film.

[@laikaperraespacial6025]

I hope but disney is playing safe

[@GskitzIndustries]

I pray for Into the Spiderverse 2 having live action segments with animation woven in, having tobey, andrew and tom with the miles of into the spiderverse

[@RyanGosling6]

M64bros oh hell no.

[@RyanGosling6]

M64bros can we just not do one and focus on Spider-Man into the Spider-Verse franchise instead?

[@M64bros]

@@RyanGosling6 why?

[@Beastinvader]

MCU Spiderman has the intelligence and modernity of Iron Man, but with the honour and sense of duty as Captain America. If done right he could really lead the universe over the next decade.

[@sleepy9102]

I like spiderman homecoming, but man I’d don’t feel anything while watching it. The rami films always hit the emotions.

[@negrolicous5388]

Same. Spider-Man Homecoming was just a fun flick and nothing more. But with the Raimi movies they actually hits you with waves upon waves of emotion.

[@stealthy9599]

Homecoming did it's job... It sold tickets cuz Iron man was in it and push politics down the throat of my 7 year old, who doesn't give a shit about what the slaves did or didn't build during the Civil War and just wants to see his favorite superhero climb walls... that movie sucked

[@njromer1025]

Stealthy lol wtf are you talking about,your probably a raimi fanboy who says Spider-Man 2 was the best even tho it’s overrated and kind of sucks, homecoming was great

[@justbaz7471]

NJRomer my favourite superhero movie of all time is the dark knight but Spider-Man 2 is easily the best superHERO film as it displays the best HERO story, the MCU started out really good with iron man and then just dipped in quality and compelling characters and instead opted for cool cgi, action and funny moments rather than what makes superhero films, and films in general, good in the first place, compelling and relatable characters which iron man, raimi’s Spider-Man and Nolan’s Batman all hit the sweet spot in

[@stealthy9599]

@@njromer1025 you didn't watch homecoming. And I thought spiderman 2 wasn't that good with that rhino and Andrew guy so I don't get your point.

[@masonsizemore522]

i think it’s so freaking cool to see a live action spider-man not only interact with the avengers on the big screen but play a very prominent role in the series and i feel like not enough people appreciate that

[@boredXsomethingXIDK]

On the contrary, my dear boy that's the only thing fans appreciate about it lol.

[@masonsizemore522]

boredXsomethingXIDK how does anyone appreciate it when everyone always calls him iron boy they clearly don’t like his involvement in the avenger

[@chauncie8201]

Mason Sizemore No you misunderstand. They call him Iron boy because they replace Uncle Ben with Iron Man thus replacing Peter’s own personal motivation for becoming Spider Man. Tony being there all the time and giving him a suit takes away a LOT of Peter’s autonomy. He already was an established hero in the MCU. Why did he have to have Tony motivate him to dig deep and be a hero?

[@masonsizemore522]

Charming Blerd having tony be one of his main motivations to fight makes a lot of sense and serves as a smooth transition into the mcu especially due to how late into the mcu he was introduced because of the the sony / marvel deal. personally i think having tony be sort of like an uncle ben figure to peter is a really cool way to keep his character and this depiction of spider-man feeling fresh.

[@barisbal7782]

@@chauncie8201 tony was never the core of his motivation as a hero. with or without tony, he was gonna keep being spiderman anyway. tony's existance only motivate him wants to became more than friendly neighbourhood spiderman. he aim himself to became an avenger. which is make sense since this spiderman grew up by looking at them

[@moviehermit5631]

Something I feel that the MCU nailed with Spidey is incorporating his youth and his school life into the plot itself. In the Raimi and Webb movies, Peter would basically become *"THE"* Spider-man in his prime in the first movie for each. In this interpretation, he stays young, he's still figuring things out and it'll take some time until he's at the top of his game. It's also got a bit more relevance to the audience. In the MCU Peter deals with his aspirations of becoming part of something big get in the way of his real life, and he gets a reality check when he too over-extends himself as he genuinely believes he's anything but a kid who should focus on school. And then in FFH, he deals with the stress and anxiety of his responsibilities, he doubts himself and believes someone else would be better at doing his job than himself. He learns that he shouldn't try and be someone else because that's what everyone expects, he should just be the best form of himself for the sake of being himself. The previous iterations have done a great job at being relevant to the character, but unless it's relevant to the themes, plot, and character arc, it can start to get a bit stale. Especially if it's applied to a character that is part of a completely different world .

[@Princesspeach2000]

@Regan Olley because this comment can’t be argued

[@HugeConverse]

No Spider-Man other than Tom Holland was written to be a bitch like you just described. The only time any film Spider-Man thought somebody else should do his job was in the second Toby movie when he lost his powers. He was incapable of helping so he gave up on it but Tom Holland’s Spider-Man was just a bitch who got bullied by a kid shorter than him and was never even beat up by his bullies like the other two. He’s a wimp he’s a bitch he’s stuck up he’s not funny he’s not clever he even acts dumb as rocks sometimes like there was never moments when Toby or Andrew almost killed an innocent kid because they were stupid. You’re idolizing something new because the cgi looks good go fuck your self and your opinions.

[@moviehermit5631]

@@nickname2239 And then there's the opening of TASM 2 where Peter is goofing around while letting the truck ram through cars, and shoving people across alleyways, there's quipping, and then there's being reckless. Plus, how many bullies actually beat up kids these days? Now it's verbal, ties to social media, etc. And while the MCU flash may not be a big jock, he's still got more character than the previous versions combined. I wouldn't be surprised if that kid whined about the flawed and realistic, Peter B. Parker being the mentor in _Into the Spider-verse_ instead of the perfect blonde Peter who had his life entirely together with no problems.

[@robl0xgamer258]

@@moviehermit5631 is it bad that mcu spidey is my favorite? I really like this iterations since it explores the themes of Peter's self doubt within himself, heck even the subtle but huge scenes of peter being pushed to the brink because of the combination of his bottled up self-doubt and PTSD (seeing tony die and the IW+EG events. I love how it makes modern teen problems come to light while still incorporate them into this version of the character, and I love it! I don't think none of the iterations of movies really capture the actual spiderman vibe, they all have personality and stuff from certain comics to both have an actual story while still highlighting the good core values of the character. My favorite versions are MCU spidey, Ps4 spidey and ITSV miles morales

[@moviehermit5631]

@@robl0xgamer258 It’s completely valid for MCU Spidey to be your favourite. Each version stays true to the character, and just because the writing isn’t the same as Raimi’s (who basically helped kick start the superhero movie genre) doesn’t mean it’s bad. Raimi’s taught us about responsibility and sacrifice. Webb’s taught us about consequence. MCU taught us about growing up. PS4 taught us about perseverance ITSV taught us about identity. And PS5 Miles Morales taught us about community Each of these are core aspects of the character, and just because something isn’t as nostalgia as Raimi’s or as stylish as ITSV, it doesn’t mean that it being your favourite is bad. Using CGI doesn’t make the movie a cheap soulless product, having Peter be a kid among world famous heroes instead of the only superhero in the entire world doesn’t make him any less of a Spider-man, and having stories more relevant to current struggles faced by many people doesn’t make it a betrayal of the character.

[@theepoopydoodoo]

I firmly hold the belief that The Raimi Trilogy and MCU Spider-Man are the best live action versions we could be given of Spider-Man. Raimi Spidey is a near direct translation of comic Spider-Man, while MCU Spidey is a translation of all aspects of spidey from the comics, previous movies, video games and shows, bringing all the aspects that work with the character into one version. Goddamn we are so blessed to have both!!!

[@theepoopydoodoo]

@Parvis k

[@raimiallpowerful2020]

@Parvis i agree. tom isn't definitive spider-man he's just boring. he doesn't learn anything. no consequences. when something bad happens he gets someone to sort it out.

[@raidoukuzonoha883]

raimi all powerful he does learn and by your name your a raimi fanboy lol

[@raidoukuzonoha883]

raimi all powerful no he sorts it out himself but ok

[@raimiallpowerful2020]

@@raidoukuzonoha883 he learns the wrong things, by the end of far from home he isn't responsible. he learns not to rely on a suit then gets more advanced suits. he learns he isn't ironman then uses ironman tech to create an ironman suit with back in black blasting. therefore he does not learn anything.

[@davincent98]

"With great power comes great responsibility." That's the catchphrase of ol' Uncle Ben

[@troymakay796]

Originally he nerver said that it was the narrator

[@tenryu298]

Originally "With great power, there must also comes great responsibility" not said by Uncle Ben.

[@bruhmoment2316]

Mcu spiderman: "uncle ben who??"

[@davincent98]

I forgot the musical notes

[@ZinxTheSlayer]

We know lol

[@TK_Brainslug]

Great video as usual. Aunt Mays "What the f" at the end from Homecoming makes me chuckle everytime I see it

[@yansekchan5129]

can we all stop arguing and accept all these spidermen are spectacular?

[@averagejo8906]

I really wish we could

[@bruhmoment2316]

Even the 90's spiderman?

[@kveld9893]

the raimi fanboys will not shut up. ever.

[@mononokehte]

Honestly a great comparison. Totally new take on the Spider-Man movies which I thought would be impossible to hear after the amount of video essays I’ve watched ab him lol. 10/10

[@ImplicitlyPretentious]

Aww thanks! That's incredibly flattering! :)

[@js66613]

Honestly, how could you forget Czech Spiderman? That one's legendary. But also so elusive no one has ever seen it. They've only ever heard about it.

[@chickrepelant]

him having a friend, ned, really humanizes peter. The other movies just throw love plots at the audience. my hot take. another fantastic video! i'm hoping holland-man 3 goes well

[@ImplicitlyPretentious]

Thanks!

[@thisbubblygoodness7611]

i disagree, Ned and the whole class was pretty unbearable in FFH

[@samjackson9560]

this Bubbly Goodness Ned was alright, not as good as homecoming. Betty is unbearable but I think that’s the point but personally I think zendaya played her part well and her chemistry with Holland is excellent

[@unboxedninja]

Hard disagree. Ned is just there to be there...like most of the supporting cast in the Holland films

[@samjackson9560]

Movie Trailers fair enough

[@Alucard2091]

Spiderverse & MCU really shows the new extensions becoming "The Spiderman" while Marc Webb is the outcome of sticking with formula [Raimi Trilogy & Comic Books]

[@gabrea1]

I really hope the 3rd film lives up to all the hype Far From Home built up. Holland is the perfect actor and it's time for him to shine.

[@charbelbarakat3620]

yeah didnt like the second but in the third everything involving stark is out of the way thanks to ffh and we can finally see him become his own hero

[@RyanGosling6]

Charbel Barakat hell yeah at least I’m not the only one that doesn’t like Far From Home but honestly... I’m not going to watch Spider-Man Home 3 because I’m upset we didn’t get TASM 3 and Far From Home just completely destroyed me comparing to Homecoming.

[@charbelbarakat3620]

@@RyanGosling6 man i saw a video of what TASM 3's plot would've been and im kinda glad it got cancelled

[@charbelbarakat3620]

@@RyanGosling6 and btw homecoming is kinda good its the first spiderman movie where we actually see him as a friendly neighbourhood and the villain is really good. Plus its the first time where the villain isnt a massive threat to the city or anything so it was really refreshing imo

[@RyanGosling6]

Charbel Barakat I am upset that we didn’t get TASM 3

[@Coreisus]

Yo i totally missed that Vulture not only accepted his death but that he also protected Peter's identity....

[@MrLicoriceTree]

Wait. What do you mean death?

[@Coreisus]

@@MrLicoriceTree Like he didnt die, but in that moment he. accepted death. Peter saved him after this acceptance, despite his actions against Peter. And thus, knowing full well he should have died but didn't because Peter saved him, he protects Peter's real identity when later given the opportunity to reveal it.

[@hoscarconhache]

Best video comparing spider-men out there. This is how you do it, people (and HiTop).

[@ElbertTreble]

Spider-Man homecoming I just wish we saw the 6 months Peter dumpster diving. Making his homemade suit. Getting bit by a spider uncle Ben dying. Which was mentioned in civil war.

[@ElbertTreble]

Greg Elchert like a small montage least.

[@unigenius]

I just wish the MCU cared about Uncle Ben at all. I'm not saying we have to see him get shot again but nobody talks about him, either! Not Peter, not May, not Ned, NOBODY! And that's really disappointing since he's supposed to be Peter's moral compass. The reason why Peter does what he does. Peter isn't just some goofy, good-natured kid that naturally wants to see everyone do well. Peter is Holden Caufield with superpowers. He's a bit of a jerk and a know-it-all. And being Spider-Man let's him be those things out loud without repercussions. But he's also a kid that wants to be part of the in-crowd, but abhors everyone that's in it. But, thanks to his uncle Ben and aunt may, he learns to see the good in everyone, including those that annoy him. He learns to do what he can, not only for himself, but his community. Without Uncle Ben, he would just be some money grubbing jerk!

[@ElbertTreble]

unigenius agreed without uncle ben the motivation to Spider-Man isn’t the same. That’s why I am asking for quick montage and still the movie with a quick 5 min montage.

[@unigenius]

@@ElbertTreble Also, it's weird that Aunt May is over Uncle Ben's death and okay with Peter's being Spider-Man so quickly!! Like, she doesn't even worry about him! Even after he died!!!! I mean, she was gone during that time too, but come on!!

[@hastypastry6353]

It’s kinda weird that we don’t see him at all. But they ignore it becuase if uncle Ben’s death is there it would have a huge stake in the themes and in Peter’s motivations. That’s just not the story they wanted to tell. Tom Holland’s Peter Parker comes from a different place than others iterations, but it more or less converges with them near the end of his arc

[@LukeLovesRose]

The first (Sam Raimi's Spider-Man) was made by a fan for fans to tell the story of Spider-Man in the most sincere, honest and respectful way possible. In doing so, they created a legacy all their own. They changed film. They created immortal images like the upside down kiss. They created one of the greatest sequels and superhero films ever made. The other series of movies is all about marketing, pandering and sales.

[@tomdeblonk]

this guy gets it

[@Riskofrain527]

@Spidemian this guy just likes shitting on the mcu. It's entertaining.

[@kveld9893]

this is why i hate that they're bringing raimi into the mcu in dr strange. this is the type of fanboys i can't stand.

[@hunterlawrence3573]

I really appreciate how you can compare the differences between adaptations without turning into a debate on which is better. A lot of people seem to struggle with that

[@heitoroliveira5166]

Now i want to (re)watch Sam Raimi Spiderman... Again.

[@chengkuoklee5734]

For me there is one tiny bone of contention for pre- Holland Spideys: As supposed introvert nerds they have been kissing girl like experience Casanova. I prefer Holland's awkward moments with girl. (edit: and also girl's father)

[@avgnfandon2]

Aye look, I’m not ashamed to say that kissing your own hand is great practice for ki-🤭

[@mikemorro140]

he's also the only one that dated two different girls

[@addibro4284]

Donald Walker I will never be able to look at that emoji the same way again...

[@avgnfandon2]

Addibro 🤭🤭

[@lordraiden7397]

Let's try holland now. A much smarter genius among geniuses gets fucking weak against other girls while being gifted by a rich man.

[@chrislopez5301]

When Tony tells Peter that he wanted him to be better that’s how I feel about both of his movies lol

[@spyroapplesauce]

Same here

[@Mamamiawhataspicymeat-a-ball]

*Big oof*

[@celtic889]

Agreed.

[@miguelcastillo3723]

I honestly relate and love MCU Spider-Man It's definitely at my top 5. I Will admit it has problems and it's not my favorite or I would even call the definitive version of Spider-Man but I still find that as a great version of him It depicts a teenager pretty well, a man child who has people who looks up to responsibilities and things He needs to take care of, He thinks that he knows the world inside and out when really he still has so much to learn And we do still see things that happen to Spider-Man, Like the dude goes to stop a bike thief, accidentally web someone to his own car believing he was trying to steal it and spends most of his time just hanging around waiting for someone who needs help. He's one of the only heroes who would probably help an old lady cross the street And even in the end of that day of helping people out his backpack gets stolen and he can't find it anymore causing him to have to carry all his books by hand. I also love How even though Uncle Ben isn't mentioned once you still know that Uncle Ben played a big role for Peter, many many times throughout homecoming Peter is told to stay put in not to intervene, But we all know what happened The first time he didn't. The moment the shows is the most is the party scene. Peter looks an explosion from far away that has nothing to do with his neighborhood or anybody he cares about, And if he doesn't show up he's going to embarrass himself and net for saying that Spider-Man was going to come. Peter can quite literally get the fame that he wants at school but he throws it away just so you can go stop something that has absolutely nothing to do with him. He is at heart Spider-Man

[@bboythekidstudios]

This is the second live-action Spider-Man adaptation comparison video I've seen that disregarded the Mark Webb films entirely, and I don't know whether to laugh or wince.

[@terrancelee9503]

What Mark Webb films? lol

[@dankwave2electricboogaloo569]

Andrew Garfield's Spidey was and imo still is the most accurate acting of Spider-Man as the hero. Always cracking jokes and chatting shit. He was fun when he was dressed up as the Web-Head.

[@JamieBearFancyPants]

@@dankwave2electricboogaloo569 I always say it and no one wants to hear it but Tobey’s was the best Peter Parker, Andrew’s was the best Spider-Man, and Tom Holland is the perfect mix of both

[@anuragrai612]

@@dankwave2electricboogaloo569 no he wasnt imo. His motivation for the first movie wasnt with great power comes great responsibility it was revenge. And outside of the suit he was cool skater kid. In the first flash Thompson scene peter is not even the one being bullied. He's not a wallflower

[@dankwave2electricboogaloo569]

@@anuragrai612 i meant as the wallcrawler himself. He wasnt the perfect Peter, but to me he was the perfect Spider-Man in the way he acted towards his foes.

[@jawshny]

Tom’s highschool experience is the most authentic and accurate representation of school today as I could ever see in a spiderman film. Maybe that is because I used to attend the highschool that inspired the school Peter attends in Homecoming. But either way, neither Tobey nor Andrew’s school experience ever spoke to me as relatable.

[@ErickSoares3]

I think that for the rest of the world is impossible to find a relatable high school representation in US movies.

[@jawshny]

Well you would have to be sort of stupid to look for a relatable high school experience in a movie that is based in Queens from a different country. Of course it wont be relatable to other countries because its not set in those countries. It should be the most relatable to where it is taking place, in this case it is Queens.

[@markmolino6091]

Not really you know. I haven't seen Peter and his friend being stuffed in lockers or getting swirlies in the bathrooms .That is a relatable highschool experience .In homecoming Peter and his friend wasn't even bullied .I would Amazing Spiderman has the most relatable highschool experience.

[@jawshny]

Mark Molino have u been to a Queens high school? The high school peter attends is based off of Bronx Science. There is nothing that is like “swirlies” or getting “stuffed in lockers” there. You are looking for the typical highschool movie. Sorry, but high schools are not like that here.

[@markmolino6091]

@@jawshny ,But in every highschool wherever you go whether highly gifted highschools or regular highschools there's always bullies going there and that is one thing that don't change.

[@d_d1721]

Tony Stark replaced Uncle Ben.... and that's an unforgivable mistake.

[@Mamamiawhataspicymeat-a-ball]

I wouldn't say Tony replaced Ben?- Ben still existed and it's somewhat clear that something terrible happened after Peter got his powers, which made him become Spider-Man. Tony was basically a mentor, someone who could help Peter out and teach him a little bit more about responsibility. Of course, Peter already knew about being responsible [in terms of spider-man], but in the MCU- It seems Peter is a bit more reckless, he isn't an adult after all.-

[@lunasperidot8760]

Dude...

[@bluehero-96]

@@Mamamiawhataspicymeat-a-ball Naw. In the MCU, Peter doesn't act like he learned from Uncle Ben's death, and is only Spider-man because he can be. Peter's role models after Uncle Ben's death are rooted in his own mythos, usually Kurt Conners or Otto Octavius. In fact, Peter would rather ask Reed Richards or Dr. Strange for help than Tony Stark. Peter usually has disdain for arrogant personalities like Tony Stark's, though he respects his intellect and on rare occasions acts just as arrogantly. The MCU Spider-man is arrogant and clueless, 24/7.

[@wesley5729]

@@bluehero-96 whats wrong with an arrogant and clueless peter?

[@bluehero-96]

@@wesley5729 More deaths like Uncle Ben's, but without Peter feeling the consequences. Guilt is one of his biggest character traits, his intellect a second or third.

[@davidranderson1]

I don't think I would characterize the Raimi Spider-Man as being driven by guilt or another man's vision. We're all shaped by our parents and molded by our past mistakes. Many people have to live with significant failures that change the direction of their lives. That doesn't rob them of personal agency. It just gives them a richer, more complex inner life. I don't hate the Holland era Spider-Man. It's just very underwhelming. He's just a generic nice kid. He isn't presented as a character with either the personal resilience or the scientific resourceful of the Raimi version. He leads a consequence free life in which everything turns out alright and Tony Stark solves all his problems.

[@hastypastry6353]

I would say giving up every aspect of your personal life for the greater good is personal resilience. Also it’s shown that MCU Peter invented the web fluid and shooter technology that stark had to copy for the suit, not the other way around. Also past the like one hour mark Stark doesn’t solve a single problem for Peter. I feel like everyone forgets the “if you’re nothing without this suit then you shouldn’t have it”. Yes, Spider-Man relying 100% on technology is dumb and the movie agrees with you. That’s why he doesn’t. Also as the MCU spiderman stands, he’s been framed for the murder of a beloved hero and has had his identity revealed. That problem has gone unsolved for nearly a year now.

[@mikemorro140]

@@hastypastry6353 He built the web shooters but all other tech he gets from Stark or SHIELD now I guess.

[@hastypastry6353]

Mike Morro he also built the eye things. And yeah all the other tech is from stark but he doesn’t use it very often. He built the web shooters, the web fluid and his own suit. Those are the key elements of what Peter Parker should be able to build on his own. The rest is extra and as been proven by the thematic and narrative climaxes of homecoming, he doesn’t need it

[@mikemorro140]

@@hastypastry6353 Except he then does need it in FFH

[@hastypastry6353]

Mike Morro he uses the stealth suit for like half the movie, which doesn’t have any stark tech. Yeah he opted to use a stark suit at the end, but that doesn’t mean he’s reliant on it. He only used it once against the drones, and even he accomplished that mostly through intellect, the suit didn’t just do the work for him

[@dannyhuskerjay]

great video. I have been seeing a lot of hate for MCU Spider-Man by raimi fanboys claiming its not the real Spider-Man(acting like the mcu did a luke skywalker last jedi to spidey) but me being a hardcore Spider-Man comic reader it is further from the truth. Pretty much raimi's Spider-Man is the classic lee/romita sr type vibe to the character. Where's the MCU Spider-Man they wanted to do something new but still accurate. So they took the avengers Spider-Man(Spider-Man annual 3, avengers 236-237, avengers vs thanos and new avengers peter) This peter wants to be an avenger and is more clumsy trying to prove himself, trouble with a suit tony stark made for him and a AI(iron spider in the comics) and screwing up sometimes as well as needing mentors to help him get better, not feeling he is good enough to be such a big time hero and turning down the big time to stick close to the ground. so raimis spidey maybe more accurate with the little details mcu Spider-Man is still just as accurate at the core and has more comic nods to things we have not seen before. Why they both are great adaptations. Ramis Spider-Man again shows how giant Spider-Man is to the world much like the video says. He is the greatest superhero in the world and Spider-Man 1 treats him like that. How the world views Spider-Man. MCU Spider-Man more goes in on the Spider-Man views the world. He was always the everyman, the small street level hero cleaning up the bigger heros mistakes. While the bigger heros fight earth ending threats, they forget the damage they may have caused resorts to street level threats. A lot of raimi Spider-Man fans also don't like iron man and hate how spidey views him as a mentor and father figure in the mcu(some think he is replacing uncle ben) again further from the truth. Comic wise tony did want peter to be a air to his throne and peter wanted a father figure and saw tony as that(civil war comic run) but of course they had a falling out. Instead the MCU kept them together and added the captain America comic mentor and captain Stacey mentor to tony as well. It would get annoying if every hero in the mcu was bitching at spidey and a mentor. Having iron man be the only one makes a better story. Uncle ben is still important as its the reason Spider-Man is Spider-Man. Peter has come to terms with this now and suits up for uncle ben. Iron man just became his mentor to better him in crime fighting much like the comics where peter is in need of mentorship from many hero's. Some also claim mcu peter is just miles morales(this is only in far from home with peter questioning if he can be a new iron man and this leads happy to say that's not him be Spider-Man, and of course ned is granke and he gets a lot of suits made for him till the end. ) it really is only small things they borrowed from the miles story. (again new avengers peter used tech to upgrade his suits a lot) Spider-man 1,2 and 3=classic lee/romita sr Civil war=lee/ditko, new avengers spidey Homecoming=new avengers spidey, spidey annual 3, avengers 236-237 spidey, lee/ditko(miles morales story for ned) IW and endgame=new avengers spidey, avengers 236-237 spidey far from home=Avengers vs thanos spidey, spidey annual 3, lee/ditko spidey.(miles morales for insecurity to be the new replacement for a dead hero and learning to not be that)

[@flyloseed.mp4598]

Great video man, this was honestly the best video comparing raimi Spider-Man with MCU Spider-Man. It makes me appreciate homecoming a little more now since I thought the film wasn’t that great when I first watched it. You can truly say that both these Spider-Man films are equally good with their own perspective if things and I think people should understand that homecoming has to be different from other Spider-Man films.

[@Amory-wd3ws]

I was never a fan of Tom Holland's Spider-Man because those films ignored the important aspect of tragedy and struggle in Peter Parker's life--he was simply just given everything he needed by Iron-Man and never faced any legitimate struggles of guilt over the mistakes that he made in the past that should motivate him to be better.

[@youfirst6611]

In the MCU peter is defined by his desire to overcompensate for his mistakes. His first mistake was letting Uncle Ben die. In homecoming he’s trying to become and Avenger so he can stop even more crimes then he was before he met Tony. He didn’t feel like he was doing enough for the world and wanted a to contribute even more to society. Deliberately sabotaging his relationships with other people to priority his “responsibility”.Even going so far as to consider abandoning a regular life to completely dedicate himself to being Spider-Man. Until he realized that he wasn’t ready and he should stay “Friendly Neighborhood”. Confident that the Avengers would protect the earth until he was ready to join. In FFH because of his guilt complex over his inability to save tony thrust peter into 4 months of nonstop Spider-Maning to keep his mind distracted from grieving. And with the Avengers roster gone the world is asking if Spider-Man is apart of the new starting line up of the avengers. Despite peter wanting to stay friendly neighborhood. All these things way heavily on peter in the film until he breaks down crying in the plane with happy. Peter does feel guilt, he just doesn’t cry and mope every 10 minutes like Tobey. Even though I love those movies.

[@l0sts0ul89]

@@youfirst6611 Characters should Grieve, it actually makes us connect to them better

[@youfirst6611]

L0ST S0UL But characters grieve in different ways. Not only that but some people postpone the grieving process by distracting themselves with other things. Spider-Man does this all the time in the comics by throwing himself completely into being Spider-Man and sidetracking his peter Parker life.

[@l0sts0ul89]

@@youfirst6611 But it doesn't feel like he's greivng, it feels like he just getting over a breakup he kinda cared about but didn't.

[@youfirst6611]

L0ST S0UL Maybe it’s just I can sympathize with it more cause this is similar to how I dealt with my grief when my mom passed away. I Always put off dealing with it because my relatives were counting on me to keep it together and act like a grown up even though I was barely 16. I can understand your need for a visual representation of his grief but it spoke volumes to me because of what wasn’t said or seen. But to each his/her own.

[@antoniobrooks1113]

What’s so unique about both films is that the characters would actually work a lot better in each other’s universe. Holland’s Spider-Man/Peter is eager to be a hero, save people, prove himself or his mind, be responsible. That type of Spider-Man was needed in Raimi’s universe as it was directly after 9/11 and ppl needed a hero was eager to save them. Maguire’s Peter/Spider-Man was reluctant to be a hero, always doubted himself and wasn’t sure about his relationship with MJ. This character works perfectly within the MCU, as he’d be surrounded by more established characters, so it’d make sense for him to be a reluctant hero that people aren’t sure of. Also, the Raimi villain quips would so work in the MCU. Like imagine Dafoe’s Green Goblin or Molina’s Doc Ock fighting Iron Man, Cap and Black Widow and then Falcon and War Machine showing up.

[@jothishprabu8]

Tobey Maguire = Spiderman Andrew Garfield = Spiderman Tom Holland = Spiderboi

[@ezzzzzy3863]

Tom Holland: Iron Man jr*😂😂

[@Levi_52_336]

I'm fine with him being Spider-boi, I just need to see him become the true, one and only, Spider-Man.

[@negrolicous5388]

Andrew is more like Spider-Teen

[@L16htW4rr10r]

Edited: Tobey MacGuire: Spiderman Andrew Garfield: Spiderteen Tom Holland: Spiderboi

[@TED_Frames]

Felipe Flores Which he is becoming. In Far From Home, he grew in character.

[@setsana_inc]

Yet another incredible video essay man! Thanks for this awesome content!

[@Vent69420]

I view the new trilogy from the mcu consisting of us watching a kid Peter grow up to be the adult Spider-man. the reason this can work is since Tom Holland is relatively young, he can grow and fit into the role we longtime fans expect of peter- a man with the burden of the world, simply put. They can take the current interpretation to new heights, in say 20 years or so with a dozen films featuring him.

[@markmolino6091]

But who got time for that .by that time people will be fed with Spiderman films .He isn't even a good Spiderman.

[@lunasperidot8760]

@@markmolino6091 no, and keep in mind that since the amazing Spiderman dropped in 2015, there's been 3 spider man movies. With 2 in the mcu. Not that much imo

[@baldhead7759]

@@markmolino6091 I’d argue he is a great Spider-Man.

[@robl0xgamer258]

@@markmolino6091 tom is a great spidey, imo but im not here to disrespect you my good man. You're allowed to have your opinion:D

[@maybebutyes4647]

@@markmolino6091 people who loves spider man lol as of you saying this were waiting for the 3rd one and im not fed up

[@DayvonR64]

At some point I did want to compare them and try fighting the case for which is better. Honestly? You can never compare them. Not only do I agree with what you've said, but it's also the chapters in their lives people have to take into consideration. MCU Spider-man is literally a kid who is still going through highschool. Rami Spider-man is Peter's transition from becoming a boy to a man. The film itself shows him graduating High School, moving out of Aunt May's place, and getting a job. These two Spider-men are literally in two different stages of their lives. You wouldn't compare a child to a grown adult so why do that here? You also have to think about the fact that, despite how we want to see it, MCU Spider-man movies are a piece of a puzzle while Rami's was able to do whatever they wanted. It was revealed that Tom's Spider-man would have multiple trilogies detailing different stages of his life. Eventually we could get a more grown-up Spider-man, but as it is now I am loving the slow progress.

[@ericstorm6582]

Also somehow Raimi Peter Parker knows like ten martial arts in the first movie while MCU Peter Parker only knows pro-wrestling from probably watching it with Ned, some moves he learned from watching Star Wars and a little bit of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and Boxing,

[@robl0xgamer258]

You good sir put everything into what and why I love mcu spidey 😎

[@kveld9893]

@@ericstorm6582 that's such a cool observation

[@thepermanentshockedface9177]

Raimi trilogy will always be the definitive Spider-Man. It captured what being a superhero is really like along with the consequences which come with being one. It made it more human because everyone at some points had an identity crisis and with Peter having one too made us relate to him. Spider-Man 2 captured it perfectly. I find myself watching it every year to remind me that even though I have issues in my own life, that I shouldn't give up because Spider-Man himself went through the same thing. Even with all his powers he still couldn't have everything he wanted. Tom's has a youthful vigor and energy which resonates with young people today with its more modern approach. I enjoy Tom to some degree but I personally can't relate to him as much. His Spider-Man to me stays too naive and doesn't seem to understand the consequences of wearing the suit.

[@kveld9893]

oh golly, this 15 year old boy is too naive, now, is he?

[@thepermanentshockedface9177]

@@kveld9893 well yes he is considering the context of things. He's meant to be extremely smart yet does the most stupidest things such as giving mysterio his billion dollar glasses after meeting him for a couple days... that is more than naive

[@ItsSupercat94]

@@thepermanentshockedface9177 he sure does know the consequences now lmao. Hope they keep it that way.

[@thepermanentshockedface9177]

@@ItsSupercat94 yeah at the moment they kinda fixed him which I’m happy about but the writing still kinda sucks. I wish they would stop with the constant tension breaking jokes for 2 year olds and be serious for more than 5 minutes at a time

[@AdamCarra]

Can't believe your favorite isn't Italian Spider-Man 0/10. Real talk great video, I feel like so much of the discussion between these films is so negative it was really refreshing to see a more reasonable well rounded deep dive into both of them instead of pitting them against each other. I look forward to the other parts.

[@ImplicitlyPretentious]

How can I forget 😂 and thanks! I like giving my channel its own little world where every argument and analysis is the result of research and analytical concerns, so I end up not really ever responding to the wider conversation

[@neurospicyplus]

Hot take but I actually really enjoyed Marc Webb's interpretation. Homecoming was good but it just didn't really do it for me. Far From Home is amazing though.

[@robl0xgamer258]

I loved all these spiderman movies, far from home, homecoming and the marc web films being my favorites, but I also like raimis version too :) (TD:LR I love every single interpretation: games, tv shows, and movies) :) also great opinion! I respect that :0

[@ddelarosa96]

I’m so glad this was in my recommended! It’s a video essay on my two favorite Spider-Mans, who is my favorite super hero, and it’s putting into words all the feelings I didn’t even realize I had regarding these movies

[@warknightxl2167]

I like the classic Spidey trilogy, but I absolutely love the MCU’s live action movie adaptation of Spider Man the best in my opinion. The MCU’s Spider man will always be “MY” definitive version of Spidey along with the Spectacular Spider Man animated series. Nice video comparison buddy!

[@GeneralBulldog54]

Same. While I mostly liked Homecoming, Far From Home made Holland's Spider-Man the definitive version. Taking the guilt and love concepts of Raimi's trilogy then amplifying it. I could buy Peter and MJ in Far From Home and their awkward but genuine love for each other, something I couldn't in the Raimi trilogy.

[@ImplicitlyPretentious]

Aww thank you!

[@warknightxl2167]

For you it is in your opinion, but of course I respect that.

[@unboxedninja]

A. T. Smith How did it amplify the guilt and love concepts? In Spider-Man 2 we feel peters struggle much more. We see him missing events, we see him lose his job, we see him get slapped by his own best friend...in FFH all Peter misses out on is MJ...who we don’t even explore why he’s into her in the first place...

[@unboxedninja]

A. T. Smith How did it amplify the guilt and love concepts? In Spider-Man 2 we feel peters struggle much more. We see him missing events, we see him lose his job, we see him get slapped by his own best friend...in FFH all Peter misses out on is MJ...who we don’t even explore why he’s into her in the first place...

[@sollyswolly1623]

To me MCU Spider-Man's potential for being the 'working class hero' is completely squandered by putting him front and center of an intertwined corporate movie industry. When Civil War came out I was genuinely excited to see Spidey interact with all the other big players, and I really think they nailed the poor nerdy kid from Queen's in Civil War. Homecoming tried to end on a ground-level Spider-Man, but the Mouse decided it was time for him to go into space. If Raimi's trilogy was a love-letter to the classic Spider-Man comics, I was hoping MCU would be a similar love-letter to Ultimate Spider-Man comics. In both MCU and Ultimate, Peter-Man struggles to have his own identity amongst a universe of out-classed superheroes, but Ultimate nails the internal conflict. Spidey dies taking a bullet for Captain America, who's so focused on Ultimates v. Avengers (basically Utlimate Civil War) that he leaves him bleeding out AND THEN fights the Sinister Six to save his elderly Aunt and friends. Spider-Man isn't supposed to play with the other heroes, he's supposed to be the greatest one of them all. And time will tell with the MCU, but to me the best part about the character is that no matter how hopeless the struggle seems, this broke kid from Queen's does everything he can to save someone, or anyone he can. MCU Spider-Man wants to be a hero like the greats, but 'Spider-Man' just wants to do the right thing simply because he has the power to do so. To quote Aunt May "Sometimes, to do what's right, we have to give up the things we want most. Even our dreams" Edit: To editorialize a sort-of brought up point, I don't think Spider-Man ever needs to have an indentity crisis. I'm tired of seeing Uncle Ben get shot too, but really his origin is about as perfect as it gets. Spider-Man shouldn't need to find his identity. 'Spider-Man' is the identity. 'Spider-Man' is Peter Parker's redemption for being an irresponsible kid, literally it's the story of a boy taking all of the lessons he's learned and becoming a man. Edit: TLDR: being Spidey should suck a$$ and Peter-Man's motivation should come from internal 'ghosts' and a will to act on them

[@terrancelee9503]

Disagree with the idea Spider-Man shouldn’t play with other heroes. He’s got hero relationships and non-hero relationships. A character stuck between two worlds. Also don’t see a problem with Spidey going to space. Spider-Man helps wherever he can, big or small. He prefers being a ground level superhero, it just comes naturally to him and is what he’s used to, but doesn’t hesitate to involve himself in affairs larger than himself. A character forever stuck between two worlds.

[@sollyswolly1623]

@@terrancelee9503 I totally get that, and you've got a fair point. I just meant that its a little disappointing for me personally that Disney mandated a huge superhero crossover right after our introduction into MCU Spidey as a street-level hero. Also in the original Dikto-Lee area Spider-Man was largely a lone wolf due his 'chip on the shoulder' persona. When Ultimate interpreted the character he was still slightly at odds with other superheros, with ol Captain America apologizing to Aunt May at his funeral that he told Spidey he wasn't ready to be a "real" hero.

[@negrolicous5388]

Look out, here comes the Amazing *_Peter-Man_*

[@averagejo8906]

I’ve read the last two edits and.....that’s literally what mcu spider-man is

[@averagejo8906]

RandomGuy15 that’s fair but he literally says “you can’t be a friendly neighbourhood spider-man if there’s no neighbourhood” it’s a corny line if you’re not too big on the character but the film acknowledges that.

[@freakingreninja7790]

I can still see some salty comments by raimi fans

[@BLACKSTA361]

Ironboy jr

[@freakingreninja7790]

@@BLACKSTA361 I'm gonna put some dirt in your eye

[@BLACKSTA361]

@@freakingreninja7790 i missed the part where thats my problem

[@Mamamiawhataspicymeat-a-ball]

@@BLACKSTA361 Pizza time

[@BLACKSTA361]

@@Mamamiawhataspicymeat-a-ball what is pizza time? Can i spend it? Give me RENT

[@turbotax7505]

I like how you appreciate both these movies

[@nataograpishvili1662]

I also think that the overall tone of homecoming makes perfect sense when you consider that this version of spider-man exists within the MCU. In Raimi's version he's pretty much the one true hero. He's the one who has to save everyone, while Tom's version of spider-man lives in the world where literal gods can drop down from the sky and save people. As good as spider-man is, he operates in the same system as the original Avengers and compared to them, he is the comic relief of sorts. He is just a kid, who has more experienced heroes to look up to, therefore, he doesn't have to be as serious and mature as Raimi's spider-man. So even the final scene being much smaller-scale and comical makes sense, when you consider his general stance within the MCU.

[@nataograpishvili1662]

@Always watching But he IS a child. In my opinion, him having a perfect Steve-Rogers-level sense of responsibility that cannot be shaken by anything would be incredibly unrealistic. You can see his battle with that sense of responsibility and you can see how he overcomes the desire to be just a teenager. Had he presented this unwavering sense of moral righteousness, he wouldn't feel real, he'd be just as bad as some of those one-sided villains that audiences hate. When it comes to choosing between what's right and what's convenient, he always goes for what's right. Judging him for wanting a normal teenage life at times doesn't make sense to me. Characteristically spider-man is meant to be quirky and almost childish, as long as he can get serious in big moments. When you take into account his age, his character makes sense and when you look at his stance within the entire MCU, the light-hearted feel of his movies also make perfect sense.

[@lunasperidot8760]

@Always watching dude in far from home he's literally on vacation. I don't get why he can't be "quirky"

[@lunasperidot8760]

@Always watching I disagree. He's never a "motormouth" out of the suit. As the video states he's got a very nervous liveliness to him. He never strikes me as annoying. But I guess that's where we disagree. Also I never said he's quirky because he's on vacation

[@razahyder8541]

Great video! Thank you for including Agents of SHIELD as a part of the saying “valuable contribution to the whole” for the MCU, as it truly is and doesn’t get the recognition it deserves!

[@joedoggerson1501]

4:21 Kinda like how the forced relationship between Peter & Stark has completely overtaken & compromised any legitimate growth in his character? Because he will forever be a sidekick in this universe.

[@averagejo8906]

How is he a sidekick? He’s worked with Tony 3 times and 2 of them were Avengers films...you know...the TEAM-UP MOVIES! (Civil War was a Team-up film)

[@alister.baladhay]

Average Jo he’s still a sidekick cause he was instructed by iron man on what to do. While his solo movies has a connection to Iron man of who Spiderman is and he’s not that really independent at some point.

[@satyamdeb4187]

He is sidekick bcoz of sony's involvement

[@NEEKNerdGeek]

You know in the comics he teams up with the avengers all the time

[@joedoggerson1501]

@Spidemian So, Robin has disobeyed Batman before.. that doesn't make him any less of a sidekick lol.

[@lissy_love64]

I could have seen a sinister six Arc where tombs was more of an amoral casual member than one with a real grudge against spider-man. And because he knows who the kid is and what he's capable of he considers them on equal terms and he could even throw centrist lines around like "a jobs a job kid, no hard feelings" and that could even play into the story later where he can no longer be amoral to the crimes of the Sinister six or watching peter put his life on the line again for the right thing and be capable of saving pete from making the sacrifice. I feel like they were open to a sinister six in universe with scorpion and vulture, and whoever else they literally had a lot of potential but hopefully we get a really good sinister six in the future

[@YungLanxx]

My goodness what a perfect video 100/100, thank you for this 🙏🏾

[@tornadochaser2457]

You're welcome 🙂

[@ImplicitlyPretentious]

Holy cow thank you! ☺️

[@JaelinBezel]

“I’ll tell you who he is: A menace! A crook! A con!” -The man who was right all along

[@calsh14]

I thank you for giving Agents of Shield a cameo. Now I await, you're video about them :)

[@ImplicitlyPretentious]

Yeah it's coming at some point

[@CommonCommenter]

That shot at 3:08. 😍 My eyes❣️❣️❣️ The narration makes it perfect💗

[@krio1068]

Wow, that actually say me Spider-Man > Spider-Man Thank you

[@JP-hk6xw]

Your opinion is wrong. Clearly Spider-Man is superior to Spider-Man

[@Mamamiawhataspicymeat-a-ball]

@@JP-hk6xw Ey stfu, clearly Spider-Man is better than Spider-Man and Spider-Man

[@toshizen809]

Great video! The way I view the different adaptations of movie Spiderman is by looking at their comic book counterparts (or let's say inspired to) Tobey as the 616 Spidey from the original comic Andrew as the Ultimate Spiderman(alternate universe) While Tom is somewhat of a Miles Morales Spiderman and I understand why the MCU used it as an inspiration for reinventing Peter as a character. If you would look closely you can see that it's also a timeline from the first up to the current version who holds the mantle of Spiderman and I love them all! I would like to explain more but that would take so much time. Btw I'm happy that this is an essay video that doesn't compare each Spiderman in a toxic manner unlike the other videos here on KZbin.

[@alk3mystix]

It still baffles me how this channel is still small

[@ImplicitlyPretentious]

I don't think anybody can stand my whiny voice 😂

[@alk3mystix]

when a youtuber I like *actually replies to my comment o:*

[@mobyt.3900]

excellent treatise well delivered! I appreciate that you cite your sources and don't try to pass them off as your own observations as so many others do. I also like that you didn't insert yourself into the piece, you don't even appear onscreen the way every other host does (even Owen of "Owen Likes Comics" appears at the end of his videos, a slippery slope that has lad many to become "the Star" of their videos.). based on the quality of this video I'm subscribing.

[@komang1224]

God damn I love the raimi trilogy!

[@cosmicman6201]

Ash Williams lol

[@ThiefKingofLegend]

I'm realising that The Hero's Journey is a very real thing. Choose to take it or not. The Temptress is real. This is why movies have it, because it's hardwired. Take the journey boys!

[@WGPhil-uw5cs]

Spiderman 2002: a broke true origin of spidey. Spiderman 2012: a hipster with a scientific background and missing parents. Spiderman 2017: a trust fund baby with hand me down villains because stark called their technology "barf".

[@eyeswithoutaface8140]

Underrated af comment

[@fandomgodmother4903]

Modern peter being a symbol of life really 🥺s me

[@robertdennys8994]

Suggestions from a patr(e)on: -the Pirates of the Caribbean films, perhaps the clash or synthesis of epic and absurd elements. -late Disney era reworking and/or subversion of earlier Disney fairy tale tropes e.g. gender-marking of action-princesses. -The variously woke and/or implicitly trans-exclusive elements of the Harry Potter films. -The Incredibles films - any take on either film. -Any of the man-child-must-grow-up tropes surfacing in the Judd Apatow and/or Kevin Smith films. -Lead franchise characters as apparent ciphers lacking real agency or arcs, as deployed in films like the John Wick, Mission Impossible or Jason Bourne series -Depictions of novel facets of psychology through characters, such as mindfulness, attachment theory, ASD and other neurodivergence, 12-step recovery, or MBTI types. -Novel character types and structures in anime from Ghibli and Miyazaki, such as the recurrent lack of villains/true antagonists.

[@MFDoomguy21]

Back in the day I would’ve compared the 3 of them to the animated, Christopher Daniel Barnes version (which is the quintessential version imo) but honestly? They’re all different versions, different iterations of him. They each have something special, they each bring something unique. I don’t think it’s fair anymore to compare them.

[@lightknight6749]

One of my only issues with mcu spiderman is that he doesn't feel like his own character he just feels like iron man jr because he just inherited all his stuff and is still trying to live up to him even though he's dead and I feel he relies on iron man way to much also in spiderman far from home there aren't any consequences or at least don't feel like there's any. In the spiderman comics and in spectacular spiderman whenever spiderman wins in a battle it effects Peter parker in a negative way and the characters react to it and it makes the stakes higher for the characters on a personal level which is more than I feel for the MCU version. (I know it's a run on sentence

[@frogston.]

He was literally outed as Peter Parker at the end of Far From home, and if that ain't consequences I dont know what is

[@lightknight6749]

@@frogston. fair point but I didn't like that part either because now either everyone knows he's spiderman which takes away a lot of missed opportunities for the characters including peter himself or they just magically give him his identity back which would feel like there are no consequences and everything will magically always get fixed and I like the consequences that happen to peter because it makes him feel real and gives him the everyman vibe.

[@lightknight6749]

@@frogston. you also gave me an idea about how he doesn't feel like his own character because every single villain he has faced so far in the mcu has been brought by iron man so spiderman himself doesn't even have his own villains in this universe, they ALL CAME FROM IRON MAN and it really upsets me because in the comics hes his own hero not iron man's sidekick and I worry that people will think spiderman was always iron man's sidekick which upsets me more because he was the first teenage standalone hero ( sorry for going on a tangent)

[@fanfusion4276]

LEO2001 I mean on the first film, his almost girlfriend moves away directly because of what he does. In the second film, he loses his identity which is probably going to be a big consequence because, unlike Homecoming, there’s nothing between FFH and the next Spider-Man that will compromise the storytelling. With Infinity War and Endgame, they needed Spider-Man in both of those movies and so weren’t really able to explore the whole Aunt May thing, but with FFH, it’s a direct continuation. Not to mention in both films, things are constantly getting screwed up for Peter because of his Spider-Manning until the ends do both movies where things get somewhat resolved. Which is basically what happens in the Raimi movies too. They, for the most part, had fairly happy endings. Not as happy as something like Homecoming, but the differences in tone fit and as the MCU movies grow darker, the endings get less positive. The arcs in Far From Home and Homecoming are also both about Peter becoming a standalone hero that had to act and had responsibility on his own. Also also Marvel does make serious movies when they have more serious characters (i.e Black Panther and the Captain America movies) imo.

[@markmolino6091]

Light Knight ,Bro you said everything that I was going to say.That's has always been one of the many problems I have with this MCU "Spiderman" ,at this point you might as well call him Iron-Boy.

[@MalikOnYT]

You’re so well spoken and these videos are very well made. I appreciate tf out of this.

[@tristanchuey]

Mcu Spider-Man is for the boys. Sam’s Spider-Man is for men.

[@negrolicous5388]

PS4 Spider-Man is for Legends

[@Riskofrain527]

Not even close to being true.

[@satyamdeb4187]

Now let me say for now it is for the boys bcoz he is a teenager but when he would grow as a character most adults could relate him eventually I think this is the plan of MCU to show their spider man as a character loved by every age groups

[@barisbal7782]

mcu spiderman: they give him struggles sam's spiderman: they shit on the character in every five minute and call it making a relatable character

[@adammac125]

Pete from IHOP must be pretty hungry ordering pizza and Chinese food at the same time

[@carlosgarcia-pk6lf]

Original Spider-Man trilogy is the best, just a humble guy trying to do the right thing, just a coincidence that he has great superpowers and cheesy one liners

[@zingzaber6989]

All of those things are true about Tom Holland's version too.

[@sonkilloku8276]

13:00 Italian Spider-man is the best of all time XD. I like your videos btw keep it bro!

[@lanerose20]

HiTop needs to see this

[@Mamamiawhataspicymeat-a-ball]

Why? He would just respect the dudes opinion, probably enjoy the video and continue on with his life lmao

[@l0sts0ul89]

Nah

[@kveld9893]

@@Mamamiawhataspicymeat-a-ball funny how he doesn't do that actually, at all. if you know about his and JayExci's quarrel, you know it's true.

[@tyrannosaurusrex4600]

Sam Raimi thought us that no matter who we are we can do whats right and fight for it even if it will cost us our happiness and that is sacrefice of a hero that is in all of us, while MCU thought us that if your lucky then you will be given with everything on a silver platter while you dont need to do enything at all.

[@fishyfish6510]

What I like more about Tobey's Spider-Man is that he's The Hero. He isn't bound and is the figure. When I saw Homecoming I felt Tom's Spiderman is held back because of him being in the MCU, he doesn't feel like The Hero but just one of the heroes which isn't bad but it felt less powerful to me, ykwim?

[@discount_bills9948]

Spider-man may be a hero but in reality he just an underdog to the bigger known universe with all these hero's with powers who can do what he do but better. This is why spider-man is my favorite hero no matter the movies or comics is that he struggles as a hero and as peter parker, he don't do everything ok, he makes alot of mistakes to much to count, and pays a price for them, his love life is in shambles from being spider-man, people have got hurt because of him, peter and spider-man are one in the same, it the shift in balance between, because what ever the other due weights heavily on the other.

[@isaacmartinez2359]

I really enjoyed this video, it is nice to see someone step back for a moment and not compare the sets of films as if they oppose each other entering and point out where they are similar. It has been tiring to see people praise and degrade the same films and I think it is important that even though they seem very different they both are similar

[@castielffboi]

I think Homecoming and Far From Home are entertaining films and the new Spider-Man is a great character, but I don’t find him a great a Spider-Man character. It feels like everything has been handed to him by Tony Stark.

[@spyroapplesauce]

That’s how I feel. Those movies are alright to watch every now and then, but I never look at Holland and think, “yeah, that’s Spider-Man.” I feel like it’s a lot easier to look at Maguire and Garfield and see them as Spider-Man. Holland’s Spidey will always be lackluster, in my opinion.

[@Levi_52_336]

He earned the suit, but EDITH, given Rhodey is right there. I agree that Toby is a truer Spider-Man, but I see greater potential in Tom's version. I want to see him as an adult, helping out the little guy, focusing more on his financial problems, and seeing him take on enemies that others are too blind to see for what they are.

[@alister.baladhay]

It’s too early to judge Tom Holland’s Spiderman when the story is still continuing. We’ll see how it turns up in his upcoming movies.

[@castielffboi]

Star Void X I think two movies and three secondary role appearance is enough to form an opinion on him

[@Levi_52_336]

@@castielffboi Then again, he is still a kid. This Peter's gorwth is going to be over a dozen movies, while Raimi's Peter had to do it in 3 films. If we don't see Peter truely grow into Spider-Man, wasting hours of time, I'll have to eat my words. I hope that isn't the case.

[@srialekhyananduri7036]

Wow this is one of the videos I saw where either of the Soidermans were not made fun of and the actual similarities and dissimilarities are show. I love it. You got yourself a new Subscriber. Looking forward to more of your Video essays

[@999enlightened]

Everybody will realize Tom Holland is the best after his 3rd solo film Toby is the true Spiderman legend though

[@thetypingavocado574]

honestly Tom Holland is great in the role, but the material he's given as Spider-Man isn't so great. His movies would be perfect if the Spider-Man stories were written well.

[@unigenius]

@Greg Elchert what core is that?

[@crowfather3838]

@Greg Elchert I kinda wish Toby was the one standing with Tony in Civil war. Honestly his Spider-Man makes more sense to be in that position then Tom's. Tony putting a kid at risk after being guilt tripped into the accords by a woman who lost hers in sokovia is nonsense. Also, Peter being Spider-Man since he was 15 then being apart of the avengers when he's in his early 20's is a way more interesting character to have for the Civil War Movies. He's established his enemies and fought them all multiple times. Gone through some shit, seen some shit. But honestly, if that spidey was in the airport fight he'd have wiped the floor with cap and most of the avengers cause none of them really know him. The only difference is they would have known about him.

[@demisor9701]

@Greg Elchert Visuals?

[@shealupkes]

So they're waiting for his third solo film to bother forcing him to earn his title as spider-man?

[@yerinanon]

Spiderman needs a mecha

[@octoberviberations233]

Finally A *true* non controversial oppinon from a true spiderman fan

[@Courier_333]

Idk I just hate that tom Holland spiderman has a best friend that knows his secret identity. It's clearly a rip off of miles morales.... but it's also just soooooo fucking boring. My favorite part of spider-man has always been his constant identity crisis, constantly dealing with consequences because of his responsibilities... but the last movie seems to hate that part of his character. Plus it was so dumb for him to give edith to mysterio

[@alister.baladhay]

Tom Holland’s Spiderman has no consequences of his actions whatsoever. But right now it doesn’t matter cause Mysterio give JJJ the info to tell to the world who he is.

[@turbotax7505]

Both movies were great

[@Gehab]

Insta subscribed

[@ii_king_5136]

The new spidey is a sidekick more than a hero

[@chengkuoklee5734]

Spidey is every other marvel heroes sidekick. He is the friendly helpful neighbour everybody taken for granted.

[@ricardoms2072]

Can someone please send this to Hitop Films?

[@matttheking1655]

Was thinking the same thing...LOL

[@lunasperidot8760]

He will just disagree. I'm tired of him

[@Mamamiawhataspicymeat-a-ball]

@@lunasperidot8760 He does have some good points tho. *Some.*

[@riptidepictures8105]

Why? He repeatedly says that he acknowledges Spider-Man Homecoming as a good film. I’ll paraphrase something he said in one of this Spider-Man video essays (I think it was the first one he made): “Spider-Man Homecoming is a good movie. It’s just not a good Spider-Man movie. It has great pacing, great comedic timing, and some of the best visuals in any Spider-Man franchise. It’s just not a good Spider-Man movie at heart. Traditional Spider-Man themes and ideologies that make Spider-Man unique in the first place are either absent or misunderstood in Spider-Man Homecoming”. Let’s face it, he’s right. Anyone who knows Spider-Man not just from the movies, but from the source material, acknowledges that.

[@lunasperidot8760]

@@riptidepictures8105 I think that's grossly wrong

[@mr.peanutbuttersfavepisode]

Turkish Spiderman is a cult film. Its best adaptation of spiderman. Its art at its finest.

[@brettheier7087]

Have you seen Agents if Shield? Is so can you do a video about those characters? I know after season 2 it gets less connected to the mcu but it is still a great show

[@zingzaber6989]

I agree, I'd like a video on the show as well.

[@TheDiamondSparton]

Bro you are so underrated you need to have at least 500K subs

[@mvdwraptor7983]

All I'm looking for is a spider-man that's an actual adult and is mature enough to interact in the world of daredevil and the kingpin because comic wise spidey was only in high school for like 3-5 years of his entire 58 years of existence

[@hwanniggles187]

Thats what im saying. Everyone saying that Peter was always a teenager as Spider-Man and Toms Spidey is accurate to the comics have never read an actual comic. He gets his powers as a teen but doesnt actually do anything significant until after he graduates. Hell if anything Ultimate Spider-Man is the one they can use for that argument but we know how that ends with Peter

[@kveld9893]

i am not looking for that at all. in a world of dozens of adult, fully formed superheroes, another adult formed superhero is nothing new. i want to see peter parker graduate, and then get into college, and do all that young boy shit he never gets to do in other movies. let him be a child! he'll grow up anyway, as we all do. time will catch up to us all in due time, why make it hurry

[@adithyanarayanan4840]

i kinda had the same way of thinking about these spiderman movies, they both take place in seperate time

[@Thespeedrap]

Where's the Andew Garfield Spider Man that's mine.

[@wren8253]

Yeah I was kinda sad that there was no mention of it :/ TASM is my favourite Spidey movie series.

[@sweetlife343]

It's very sad to watch how a work made whith love to the character and devotion to what it means gets a lot of hate thanks to poor Studio choices. You can see how Marc Webb, Andrew, Emma and all of the crew try their best to make something good that they believe in and Sony screwing everything up

[@wren8253]

Sweet Life I agree. And I think the almost blind devotion towards the Raimi and MCU series is somewhat telling too. I feel that if TASM had come perhaps around 2014-15 time, maybe the initial reception would have been kinder to it.

[@rkstevenson5448]

Dude, I've always enjoyed your work, but this one is just excellent. And I'm especially impressed by how much better your enunciation has gotten since you started. Keep up the spectacular work!

[@Robby_Rob]

What really sets these two universes apart are the underlying narratives and ideologies. Tobey MaGuire’s Spider-Man is the everyday kid we can relate with. He’s broke, has terrible luck and is plagued with an overwhelming sense of guilt over the circumstances revolving around his Uncle Ben’s death. He almost never gets his way so we root for him when something finally does because we the audience know that feeling all too well. Tom Holland’s Spider-Man feels manufactured. I watch homecoming and feel no struggle because Iron man and the avengers will be there to save the day when Spider-Man can’t. There’s no monetary struggle and I feel no real connection to aunt may like I do with Sam Raimi’s trilogy. Another problem I have is the pacing. In the original trilogy they allowed you to establish who these characters are with slower sub plots that explored their personalities and fully fleshed out the characters. In Homecoming I felt like every scene was just rushing me to the next expensive set piece so we can showcase the incredible CGI. Lastly, and most important, the biggest difference for me here is heart. You can’t tell me when Aunt May gives her hero speech you didn’t feel like you could overcome your own obstacles, cause I did! Ok, rant over....oh and kick ass video!

[@ImplicitlyPretentious]

Thanks!

[@hastypastry6353]

Yes theoretically they could come in and solve all his problems. Except in the 4 years he’s been onscreen we’ve seen him have to do that on his own time and time again

[@nobyra]

Critical and financial implosion of: Movies My brain: two buildings