COMPARISON: 2019 Ford Focus ST-Line v Hyundai i30 N-Line v Kia Cerato GT

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Three comfortable but heated-up hatches with reasonable price tags, go head-to-head.
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[@anakinskywalker4113]

I absolutely love the design & the extra practicality of the Kia does it for me. It just looks so cool

[@MrFijibati]

Just love the comparison reviews of different vehicle categories.. gives us the consumers more vital information in each segment.. keep it coming !

[@jay-uo2bi]

That Focus and i30 price is not the drive away price... Its actually much more expensive then Cerato GT.

[@JacobHall1601]

i30 for me I love the N performance and the N Line catches the spirit of that gem nicely 👌🏻

[@richardoliver9054]

Just got my ST line fully optioned, love it! So much fun to drive and 182hp Turbo 3 cylinder is very responsive...

[@bingobongo1615]

Richard Oliver Yep and it also has the multi-link rear

[@mysterymeat5528]

@@bingobongo1615 No it doesn't

[@BinoSchmino]

@@mysterymeat5528 yes it does. Multi-Link comes with the 182hp engine.

[@ducejoe5158]

hi richard i got a st line does my engine have the same power like ur car. got 1.5 turbo forzen white in auto

[@sjb2471]

Isaac Clarke No. It. Doesn’t. Not in Australia and this is an Australian review. Totally different specs than the UK - only ST Line wagon, Active, and ST have multilink rear here. And we only have the most powerful available engine across the range, none of the lesser ones.

[@jay-uo2bi]

GT, I bought it over the N-Line. It's about 1.3k cheaper with more features, more space and its mechanicly better and the chassis is more sporty. You can tell that the chassis is more sporty when you drive it, more harsh suspension but better handling. Many deny this car is actually somewhat different in the driving experience then the Hyundais. The engine was revised. "The engine has been revised to include a new pressurized cooling system, higher compression ratio of 10, electronically actuated wastegate, and a new ECU (CPEGD2.20.3)."

[@jswish777]

Strange you say that. My n-line was cheaper than cerato gt and I felt that it handled/manoeuvred noticeably better especially sharp turns or roundabouts. The GT that i tested straight after the i30 felt much bigger and didn’t rotate as quickly when taking these same turns giving me less driver confidence.

[@gopies1456]

I just brought the i30 n line base model last week for $31,200 inc on road costs and paint protection, tinted windows and car mats. Reduced the initial asking price $4,000 and love it. I was deciding between the Kia GT or the N Line but chose the N line simply due to the style of the car and I love it!

[@sightyeix]

Does it like cold mornings or does it start up hard when cold?

[@ytdlow23]

Hyundai i30 N Line for me. Recently test drove both the Cerato GT and the i30 N Line. The poor roads around where I live make the "less comfortable" suspension on the Cerato hard to live with day to day. Plus I prefer the conservative styling on the i30.

[@shivamjay]

Shot at cardinia reservoir? Reviews of cars like these please show how the exhaust sounds

[@mysterymeat5528]

I'll have the Ford's exterior, the Kia's interior and the Hyundai's manual transmission option. Thanks.

[@jd3shaw]

Sounds like the new Mazda3 is for you. Which is one of the few new cars that comes with a manual.

[@blakeharrison6327]

@@jd3shaw I actually think they look good but the 2.5 NA engine is a bit lifeless.

[@xIcarus227]

Honestly the manual in the Hyundai has nothing on the manual in the Focus. You should give it a try if you haven't had the chance, it's one of the best manuals around.

[@blakeharrison6327]

@@xIcarus227 Australia has a different manual to suit our higher output cars. It's very good. The focus is Auto only here...

[@xIcarus227]

@@blakeharrison6327 wow I didn't know that it's auto only, thanks for the info. What OP said makes much more sense now.

[@jacoblongmore7299]

I’d go the Kia. The Hyundai would be a close second but the price is a bit more than the Kia for basically a sunroof, which I wouldn’t want in the Aussie heat. The Ford is interesting but it just lacks in a lot of things.

[@graantmnz]

I bought the Cerato GT - having had a couple of VW's with DSG I found it very VW like in the setup and the way it drove ...was not having a bar of a Ford auto gearbox. The GT has quite a firm ride on crappy roads, but just fine when on the open road - and its very quick for a 1600 turbo....very pleased with it . And - your review should have mentioned how GOOD the stereo system is apart from it didnt have a CD player ( my wife likes audio books ) but $100 gets you a USB CD player to sort that issue out. Dont like the fact that the mirrors retract when you turn it off ( more things to fail ) and still have to find out if that can be turned off ..but overall a really nice car and quick too, with a nice DSG type gearbox.

[@Eccentricplum]

You mentioned the 0-100 time for the ford, what about the others? Interested to know what you achieved in the Kia.

[@dankoekebacker3919]

Isn't the Kia Ceed the better choice for this trio test? We bought the Ford Active, to arrive in May.

[@adamcottrell6454]

Just ordered the I30 N line. Cheers for the review 👍

[@JMB1891]

What about the auto box in the Focus, you don’t mention anything about it?

[@cameronm4201]

We’ve owned a LW Focus Sport, LZ Focus Sport and now the SA ST-Line, and the Rear suspension isn’t an issue in terms of ride and handling, it’s more sporty and smoother than the IRS, more refined too. Plus it’s lighter.

[@insertnamehere5146]

do these 3 car just look like exact copies of each other? I mean there used to be a time you could tell one car from another. if someone swapped the badges around on these 3 cars do you think the average motorist would notice on first sight?

[@NAKMUAYACADEMY]

Very curious in your opinion out of those 3 presented plus Kia xceed and Alfa Romeo giulietta? Which one would be all round the best for it's value?

[@suspensiondude]

I wanted the Fiesta ST, but when i was told it wasn't due until 2020 i coughed up more coin and bought the i30N Performance! And I'm absolutely stoked with how good it is!

[@MLife1972]

That's a great story but neither car is the subject of this review.

[@53glowe]

@@MLife1972 Yep I agree...the comment is completely irrelevant to this review 😳

[@franudd]

Cerato GT is the best by far , tested all three of them , all great cars , but the Kia got the full package , premium equipment , the looks , the power that ford lacks, driving feeling , I mean, the only thing you could critize is the manual break but you end up liking it

[@belvederedog3015]

For me, the hand brake isn't an issue. Neither is the sound that a lot of people whinge about. I would have liked auto wipers to complete the package but can live without it. Everything else is brilliant and I love driving it. One of the best cars I have owned. For the price, noting comes close to it and I have owned cars that cost twice and nearly 3 times as much.

[@purplehazeffc]

I haven't seen a Cerato GT in the flesh as of yet.. But the rear looks like it's out of proportion. While the Focus ST-Line looks a bit more sleek. I would also choose the N-Line, with it's more classic hatch type shape.

[@letsseeif]

Very well presented. Re the Cerato versus the i30, YES. It's really a case of so similar, preference, warranty, & deals/dealers might be the difference.

[@belvederedog3015]

Agreed totally. That was the reason I bought the GT apart from it having more features as standard and bang for bucks

[@bartp7969]

Just an update, the interior and dashboard of the Focus ST-Line X has had a little update(love the red brake calipers), the dashboard is completely digital now and the sync 3 system has been improved a lot. Biased because I received my 6-speed manual 150 bhp a month ago but still, it drives really really well, got all the options except the sunroof and it's been amazing so far, would highly recommend it. (PS: The magnetic grey paint looks amazing irl)

[@Alex___R]

Feb 2020 - Cerato GT $32,990 drive away. i30 N Line Premium $39,820 drive away. $6,830 for a sunroof? No, thanks.

[@meownmazda1]

Great review 👍

[@NyghtStrix]

I have the KIA Cerato GT. Best decision I've ever made.

[@planetxdvd]

im looking at getting one, ill need to take one for a test drive but they look great!

[@belvederedog3015]

Having had several Mazda's in the past I looked at the Mazda 3, car size is limited to garage size believe it or not, and test drove the GT. Game over. Saw one on display and bought it immediately. Love it and look forward to driving it as much as I can. GT wins hands down in the value for money department with all the standard inclusions.

[@simquicky3448]

Has the 31,990 drive away offer on the Kia ended????? 🤷🏻‍♂️ 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️ Had my GT for 2 months n couldn’t be happier with it! Great fun, great value...esp factoring in the 7yr/unlim km warranty!

[@belvederedog3015]

I don't believe the offer has expired and probably won't for a while

[@simquicky3448]

Belvedere Dog So it is definitely the best value for money hey! It’s a well put together car that’s for sure...never thought I would own a Korean brand, but they have well and truly caught up...even surpassed some euro and Japanese cars.

[@yorickhunt3371]

@@simquicky3448 my ex wife bought a Kia 15 years ago and it was absolute crap. I bought a Kia 8 years ago and it was massively better. I bought another Kia two years ago and it's easily on par with the Europeans in terms of quality and refinement (but thankfully not in terms of price or snobby dealers).

[@belvederedog3015]

@@yorickhunt3371 Totally agree Yorick and Sim. It is exceptional value for what is included in it. My Merc didn't have active cruise or some of the collision warning etc that come standard with the GT. I am uncertain what other vehicle at the price point offers so much and the build quality is also excellent. It is also an amazing car to drive. Super quick and handles brilliantly. I love it.

[@simquicky3448]

Belvedere Dog also they skim over the fact the the JBL sound system in it is insanely good (once U fiddle with the eq). Only oversights for me are lack of auto wipers, and wireless Apple car play! But both are non issues really. I don’t miss the sunroof option...have one in my other car...all they do is take up headroom, and raise the centre of gravity...for something U might only use a handful of times tbh!!!

[@cy9nvs]

The mk3 focus actually had rear "vents" underneith the front seats, it's a little plastic part almost looking like a mini-manifold. Wouldn't be surprised if it's the same in the mk4.

[@MLife1972]

Great comparison review. Thanks for mentioning the lack of IRS in the Focus. For a car that is supposed to be the 'sporty' variant, it's ridiculous that the wagon has it but the hatch doesn't it. This means that customers are really just paying for some ST Line badges and lowered suspension. Might as well get the cheaper variants and save some money.

[@Quagmire925]

Mark Rocque unless the Australian model is different from the UK (which I doubt) any Focus with the 1.5 ecoboost has IRS. I have the 1.5 ST line x 180ps as my daily drive here in the UK and it has 100% got it. The Focus is a real fun drive and I have never been left wanting more power. The Kia and Hyundai just don’t appeal to me style wise though I’m sure they drive great.

[@MLife1972]

@@Quagmire925 Hi Chad. In Australia our model range is slightly different. All hatches and estates have the same great 1.5 turbo from the base model to the ST Line. That's the good news. The bad news is that all hatches, including the ST Line have the cheap suspension. Bizarrely, the only Focus that has IRS is the ST-Line estate. Personally, I don't see the point of the ST-Line hatch in Australia as it's got the same suspension and engine of the cheaper model. The ST-Line here is just different wheels, lowered suspension and a load of badges. Enjoy your Focus - hopefully Ford Australia reconsider because I wouldn't buy our version.

[@Quagmire925]

Mark Rocque thats such a bad decision from Ford. Whoever made that decision needs a kick in the arse!

[@pummyy]

Why don't we see many focus on the road? the tested the car and its way upmarket in interior compared to the I30 n line. Any focus owners ?

[@jasonjose8108]

Ford focus st line for me

[@bingobongo1615]

Jason Jose Sure. But obviously they should have compared the new stronger ST Focus with the stronger engines

[@xIcarus227]

@@bingobongo1615 the ST isn't out yet though.

[@jonnyfreeman9361]

I bought the ST line 3 months ago and love it, so much I have just put my deposit down for the 2.3l ST!

[@xIcarus227]

@@jonnyfreeman9361 did they say anything about when you're expected to get it? I'm curious as to what the release date is as I'm watching that car. Only thing that's probably gonna miss from it that I want are ventilated seats.

[@jonnyfreeman9361]

I’m expecting July, however I’ve not been given a proper date. I was just told ‘summer’

[@th-l8936]

All Focus in ST-Line guise, or if they have an engine of greater than 140 BHP have independent rear suspension - a softer version of the suspension fitted to the Fiesta ST

[@minimumtrade]

Australian delivered ST-Line hatch is 180hp and only comes with Torsion beam at this stage.

[@idanielmaddox]

minimumtrade Will the Focus be upgraded to the IRS setup later in the year?

[@YZJB]

T H-L Fiesta ST has torsion beam too. What are you on about? Australia is the only market that gets the TB in this spec, and that will change by the end of the year supposedly

[@th-l8936]

@@YZJB The new Fiesta ST uses IS, not TB. The standard Fiesta has a TB

[@YZJB]

T H-L no, that’s false. The new Fiesta ST uses a torsion beam with so-called ‘force vectoring’ springs. “Ford-patented force vectoring springs improve the stability, agility and responsiveness of the all-new Fiesta ST’s twist-beam rear suspension” Source: media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/feu/en/news/2018/03/12/all-new-ford-fiesta-st-offers-limited-slip-differential-and-debu.html

[@voices00]

What's up with the number plate holder on the ST-line. It's huge! Is it removable?

[@ducejoe5158]

voices i think so. i own focus st line its great. I just saving up for led headlights. ford said when u ar ready come down i love led lights. yea. Joe

[@MrSNipeSKater]

The 1,5l Motors in the focus come with the independent rear suspension. When you have the 150hp or 182hp engine, you get the independent suspension.

[@sjb2471]

MrSNipeSKater not in Australia you don’t, they are specified differently here to Europe and UK and only ST Line wagon and Active (and ST of course) have multilink rear. We do get the 182hp engine as standard on every Focus though, so that’s nice 😊

[@MrSNipeSKater]

@@sjb2471 ohh okay, that's tough luck... Thx for the update anyway 👍

[@huffy123]

Great review!

[@SilvisSamitis]

Great reviewer!

[@jasonlane4042]

I would go for the Kia cerato gt

[@nkosicollier4984]

I30 will always b the winner for me 😎

[@mazterfrik]

Kia will be my next pick I hope for the new model next year they add the sunroof

[@DiHandley]

Well I’m definitely not “younger” but I bought the Kia. To me it is perfect for motoring around town. Sharp handling and a real kick in the guts when needed. It also looks a bit more refined inside than the other two. It’s also more functional with a bigger boot space. You forgot to mention the 7 year warranty on the Kia. I had an after market sunroof fitted for the cherry on top!

[@davidpalmer4794]

Who'd you get to do the sunroof?

[@belvederedog3015]

@Mike Costello Concur with David. Brilliant car to drive and stunning value for money. The sedan, which I bought, has a bigger boot space than the hatch. Excellent warranty as you mentioned. If only it had a speed warning on the sat nav which is audible, it would be sensational.

[@aidanpapa6565]

@@belvederedog3015 I heard you can use the audible speed alert through waze when using Android auto or Apple carplay from memory.

[@belvederedog3015]

@@aidanpapa6565Yes you can and I do use it along with the sat nav on the display. The maps on the sat nav are much better than waze. No one from Kia has yet told me if the function is or is not available. Great car, pathetic service

[@belvederedog3015]

@@aidanpapa6565 Indeed you can but shouldn't have to. The actual sat nav maps are great compared to Waze and should have the functionality associated with it.

[@Antphoneigh]

Cerato GT is the best on paper, but you have to test drive it for yourself (i30 non-premium version is my choice).

[@anthonylomas9182]

What the heck is this guys problem which a proper hand brake. I personally prefer them as I hate the electronic one in my sons VF Commodore

[@beyond_the_infinite2098]

My wife wants the Kia Forte GT in Deep Sea Blue. Merry Christmas honey!

[@misterhamez]

the Cerato hatch looks a bit too much like a stationwagon. not very hot, more of a warm hatch if anything. Kia really need to get that 1.6L turbo into something like the Rio, then they'd really be onto a winner. That being said, I still picked up a Cerato GT sedan lol

[@jay-uo2bi]

Eh, I like it. It's practical and stands out in person. I have one :)

[@fredfinks]

I have a 2011 cerato and i dont like that they increased the length. Im moving to inner city and an increase in 40cm can be a make or break difference in a parking spot. Im considering the GT line Rio but it has less power/weight than the base cerato (all ceratos use the same engine apart from the GT). I can live with that though - the main thing thats bumming me out is that it does not have climate control. It sounds pedantic but setting the temp in .5 degree increments (AC on or off) is a great thing to have that i use constantly. I think its a deal breaker. If i want that i have to go with a cerato. They shouldnt have made it longer. It was already the perfect size for its class, with more than adequate boot space and passenger room, and easy to park. Now i want to upgrade and stay with kia but theres no choice for me.

[@ashneel]

Well they'll scrape the front bumpers as well considering they ain't cosmetically that different..

[@Seanype]

John cadogan reckons the warranty’s they offer are just a marketing ploy as all Australian car buyers are covered by consumer law legislation anyways

[@ilopancharov]

When describing the Cerato wheels you called them "Larry 10 spoke" ...what does that mean, am I not hearing it correctly?

[@Drivecomau]

'Lairy' - meaning a bit flashy. :)

[@ilopancharov]

@@Drivecomau ah thank you... 👍

[@martinarscott3524]

Seriously considering changing our golf r for the 182hp ST line X auto at the end of the year, I had a focus ST before and I miss the fun of driving it, though these days I need an auto for my wife's arthritic shoulders....

[@IronDrummer91]

Not sure if you’ve changed car in the end as I’m replying a year late, but the ST is in auto now which could work

[@MartinArscott1]

@@IronDrummer91 Thanks for the info, however we've literally just changed to a Skoda Karoq SUV due to space issues with the grandchildren! Bit of a step down for driving fun, but it's very comfortable and lots more space....

[@SVW1976]

Whats a Heeeeunday?

[@mikeygtvi]

If you take into account after on road costs the Kia is a better deal. More features and a 7yr Warranty.

[@dandaman-kd2lq]

My cerato gt arrives tomorrow 😊😊

[@belvederedog3015]

How are you finding the car since you received it? I love mine.

[@djiminitraveller]

You stated that the Focus has a torsion beam rear suspension. Just for clarification, it’s only the low powered 1.0 eco boost engines that use that rear suspension. The 1.5 182 BHP version use the Multi Link Suspension.....

[@xIcarus227]

Noticed this as well, it's a pretty big slip-up especially since they heavily criticized the car because of it.

[@downcomesthenight]

In AUS this model definitely has torsion beam! It is only the wagon and active models in AUS that get multi link. Pop in to a local dealer and take a look if you doubt me. Might be different for o/s markets.

[@xIcarus227]

@Mike Costello wtf why would they do that? Props to the retarded execs who thought that was a good idea.

[@YZJB]

Australia is the only market in the world that has torsion beam with this engine. They say they’ll fix that before the end of the year

[@craigice9635]

@@YZJB and no manual.

[@garry527]

Why only mentioned the 0-100 of focus but not the i30 and cerato?

[@blakeharrison6327]

It's listed in the article at 7.4 sec

[@simquicky3448]

I’ve timed my Cerato GT at 6.9sec I posted a vid that’s around the 7sec too. Great fun car to drive. N unless they’ve changed it recently...it was 31990 DRIVE AWAY not plus on roads.

[@garry527]

Sim Quicky sounds like a very good package. If the exhaust sounds better, it would be a perfect package.

[@blakeharrison6327]

@@simquicky3448 take a look at pdrivetv youtube. 0-100 under 7 sec.

[@garry527]

Wow... impressive with Kia. With similar price and similar figure of 0-100, VW polo GTI, Renault Clio RS or Kia creators, which one would you pick?

[@gbw28]

I’d buy the Hyundai

[@yakiddinrite]

I couldn't go past the value of the KIA GT, in fact I bought one without even test driving it based purely on the feedback I've seen from owners.

[@t.k.morris]

Good review, thank you. Not sure if that Kia is offered in the US states I live in. And just for us over here your height is around 6ft 4in and the 175mm extra length is only about a half inch. (not much)

[@supercooled]

The Cerato / Forte (we get here in Canada) is nice but the Pro Ceed is much nicer. Much, much nicer.

[@PrinceOfParthia74]

you are right, proceed is the wagon version, it has more space, better engine etc. but it has a hunchback and it makes it pretty unattractive compared to forte5/cerato hatch

[@tonycooper9256]

Brilliant review - helped resolve the dilema - definitely the Kia for me

[@SMIKKELBOEFJE]

Lets compare the most basic focus with two loaded cars!

[@mohamedal-aathamy3683]

Kevin hello idiot they are not comparing specs they are comparing similar prices

[@ComedicInc]

Wrong. They paid the extra for specs to line it up

[@sweatyalpaca]

5:42 Nobody: Richard Hammond: It's brown!

[@chillian1985]

Kia drive away price 31k is just too good. Big boot space and have more space at the back seat and feels more sporty than Hyundai and focus, and the styling is very much like the stinger

[@mga71]

I would go the Kia out of the 3, though why they didnt include an electric handbrake and auto wipers on it I am not sure, the 7 year warranty wins it for me.

[@raulandj]

Can do ebrake turns with the Kia. ;)

[@xIcarus227]

Wait, the Kia doesn't have auto wipers even as an option? Wtf?

[@mga71]

@@xIcarus227 Auto lights yes but no auto wipers, not a deal breaker for me as it does come with heaps of fruit still, just a silly ommision in my opinion.

[@xIcarus227]

@@mga71 yeah I can see how it's not a deal breaker for some but I fully agree that it's a silly omission. Just like the normal Focus doesn't get ventilated seats, only the Vignale version does. I can kinda understand that option being reserved for the highest trim level, but what pisses me off is that the 280HP ST probably won't get them. Having the most expensive Focus without ventilated seats will be a retarded oversight. The ST, for all intents and purposes, will be the most expensive version until the RS comes around. It should have all the options available to it.

[@belvederedog3015]

@@mga71The Kia dealership I bought mine from didn't know it didn't come with auto wipers ! I had to tell them.

[@ronaldmackay8953]

You didn’t mention anything regarding servicing as part of the overall value proposition - I’m in the market for something like this currently but had to rule out the Korean pair as they need visits to the dealer every 10000kms......for someone like me who does 30000kms a year this is too low?!

[@xIcarus227]

That's weird, cars usually need a service once every 20.000kms. Definitely a good thing to know.

[@downcomesthenight]

I do roughly 25000klms a year and have the SR (superseded N-Line). Most cars require 12 months/15000klms but the Kia and Hyundai are 12 month/10000klm. Based on the amount of K's I'd be covering, the i30 was still cheaper to service than the Mazda 3 and Kia Cerato over 5 years. Taking in to account the extra cost of 95 premium fuel, the focus would be the most expensive to service/run!

[@yorickhunt3371]

@Ronald MacKay compare the cost of servicing before making your decision. Kia and Hyundai both do capped-price servicing for the length of their warranties so you can see exactly how much the regular services will set you back for the next five or seven years.

[@ronaldmackay8953]

Yorick Hunt Yes absolutely - when you take the new model Corolla each capped service is less then $200 for 75000kms......it would likely cost me $1000 more over the same period for one of these or any other vehicle in this class.....at this stage I’m leaning towards a corolla or Camry.

[@xkamo1006]

Guys help me please. I wann to buy a car.. Kia proceed gt 204 hp or Hyundai i30n 275 hp. Comment below👇🏻👇🏻👇🏻❤️❤️

[@ashleigh.s_]

KIA GT just go test drive one and im sure you'll buy it

[@xkamo1006]

Thanks, i bought Kia proceed gt 2 weeks ago and boosted my Baby to 340hp ☠️

[@sheldonnasapen5800]

Kia for me

[@skitzvitz]

If this was the segment I was looking at Kia 100% , maybe the i30 but then why not jump to the N. Ford noo bloody chance.

[@hoyaboarder]

As an old focus owner, never ever Ford again :)

[@kampferpl7759]

Astra RSV?

[@t.k.morris]

Just curious, is your gas(petrol) pedal on the left or right where you sit to drive?

[@terrywn46]

Only the driving position changes. You accelerate using the right foot.

[@TurkeySlapMafia]

Please stop calling dual clutch transmissions - automatics it makes the consumer naively confused as to what the transmission actually is which is a - automated manual transmission, while it behaves the same and looks the same on the surface for Johnny know nothing they're different in massive ways and behave differently in certain load conditions

[@amiddled]

I tried to explain that to friends before, but it doesn’t work. To most people, they get in and see the PRND and treat it as an auto. Petrolheads know, but for the most part most people aren’t really bothered.

[@williamdeasy7507]

in my country the ford focus is by far the best drivers car and the same in other countries i believe the same for Australia and id pick it for that over the kia or hyundai every time and i have i owned 2 fords myself and all i can say i never had any problems with them and we have had a few in my family but if i was to pick a car true reliability it be Toyota

[@yorickhunt3371]

Yep, Fords are great if you always wear a jumper and are the habit of trading/selling your car after twelve months (before it starts disintegrating). Toyotas are great if you wear a cardigan and can't fathom the idea of getting a speeding fine. People who otherwise would've bought a Volvo 240 if it was still available continue to have options.

[@williamdeasy7507]

I think you haven't a clue Toyota corolla is the world's best selling car in the world and focus is right behind and focus don't desgrate great car and why do you need a jumper are you a cold person

[@yorickhunt3371]

@@williamdeasy7507 yeah, and Trump got the most votes - does that mean he's the best person in the USA?

[@williamdeasy7507]

@@yorickhunt3371 you should know that ford and Toyotas sales speak for themselves but everyone has there favourites and therefore don't like the others and I guess you like hyundai or Kia but they are far from the best I had a ford for 10 years so what you said about every 12 months I don't agree

[@yorickhunt3371]

@@williamdeasy7507 I've owned two Fords, three Nissans, four Mazdas, a Citroen, a Mitsubishi and two Kias (one of which is my current vehicle). I've also driven over a dozen assorted company-supplied vehicles, most of which were made by Toyota. I have absolutely no bias for or against any particular brand of car - the fact of the matter is that Ford doesn't care about its customers (and has been losing its grip on reality for quite a few years) and Toyota's sales prowess comes from the fact that most people are boring and want boring cars. A boring car in itself isn't necessarily a problem, but we're talking about three "warm hatches" here. I would suggest that it's _you_ who is biased in your view of brands and therefore aren't able to accept a vehicle on its merits.

[@Nobzu]

ford rear vent are most likely under front seat like in previous models..

[@edward2030]

I don't think it was a fair test the ford should've been more appropriately equipped or the other way around with Korean rivals because if they were all the same price as the focus the. The comparison would've been a lot closer

[@yorickhunt3371]

Indeed, indeed. They should've used the $40K optioned-up Ford - you know, the one with the driveway warranty - to compare against the low-$30K Koreans.

[@edward2030]

@@yorickhunt3371 that sounds like a better idea

[@yorickhunt3371]

@@edward2030 whoooosh!

[@edward2030]

@@yorickhunt3371 was that ment to be a compliment, I am not upset, just curious

[@yorickhunt3371]

@@edward2030 it was meant to highlight the fact that you didn't recognise the sarcasm in my original reply. The comparison was made on similarly-priced and similarly-specified vehicles that were made available to the reviewers by the relevant manufacturers (or rather, distributors). If they were to keep juggling prices/features to make things seem "more fair" (in some eyes), they'd pretty soon be comparing the Focus ST to the i30N and the Kia would be left out altogether. Whilst I agree that the i30 should've been shown in a "less-premium" grade, the Kia is an all-or-nothing proposition with the only option available on the GT being metallic paint. The ultimate choices though were made by Ford/Kia/Hyundai, so that's what the reviewers had to play with.

[@maxbrazel7128]

What concerns me though is about the reliability of all of these models overtime. And would be nice if that there servicing schedules and pricing in servicing these vehicles overtime as well. And I very well know that one is strapped for time doing these segments and you can only fit so much time in demonstrating within these three vehicles. But over all very well presented and giving a lot of knowledge for new car buyers as these segments are very appreciated and thought of. And thank you for this segment on the three vehicles that have been demonstrated 👍👍👍

[@MisterMister5893]

Such a damn shame Ford improves on the Ford Focus / Fiesta only to pull it out of the North American market. Out of all these, I'd give the Focus the edge. It looks really nice and it's a nice price point. I've owned Hyundai and Kias in the last 10 years and Ford has really improved their cars since the old days.

[@Senninha1960]

Varsity and dynamism!!! Hahaha dont think that will catch on for describing car handling dynamics!

[@lukelawrence6007]

Where is new Mazda 3

[@lukelawrence6007]

@Mike Costello alright nws

[@Manlesss]

Ford for me is good

[@rainmaker1011]

Focus ST line is not comparable to the other two cars. Focus ST is. ST line is simply a trim level, just like Titanium. But ST is standalone model, like Hyundai i30N

[@anotsosexysaxman5914]

Marek J The Cerato GT and N-Line are both trim levels as well, not standalone models

[@GoofySmuf]

Why not include the Megane 4 GT ?

[@craigice9635]

@S G Does that put the Mazda 3 in a class above?

[@yorickhunt3371]

They're only reviewing cars that have a reasonable chance of outlasting their warranties. That's not something you can really expect from a French car.

[@ashleigh.s_]

Kia GT is my winner here

[@georges2796]

Sorry my focus st line...1.5 turbo has multi link suspension..in Europe if you go for 1000cc you have that torsion

[@YZJB]

Geo Dl in Australia we get the torsion beam with the 1.5T. We are the only market with this combination for whatever reason, but they are supposedly giving us the multilink later in the year

[@groorg3430]

I'm an Austrian who watches Australian Car reviews XD

[@Mikeyp1054]

A focus is not a small hatchback

[@thedonhandon3666]

Wouldn’t buy another dual clutch. Focus good enough

[@hansvanhaeren]

Ford focus 1,5 petrol and the 1,5 + the 2,0 diesel has got the multilink suspension in the rear. There are also leather heated seats...

[@YZJB]

Flash Mcnash In Australia we only have one engine, the 1.5 EcoBoost. Every variant except the ST-Line Wagon gets torsion beam rear suspension. We are the only market that has the 1.5T/torsion beam combination for whatever reason

[@thecodfather5204]

Damn Kia...

[@FrldyZX87]

Shame we don't get the new Focus here or the fancier optioned Hyundai/Kia. Everybody in the US want's SUV's and crossovers. Blegh

[@badgerman2414]

Hard for me. Do I go, the imitation Audi, imitation bmw or the ford... 🤔

[@DiHandley]

Drove them all. Bought the Kia Cerato GT. Way better by a big margin!

[@RobertEaves]

Dynamism, righto. 😂

[@crismam1531]

Less legroom in the back seat in the KIA than the Focus and head stuck in the lining with less headroom but the best place?? what a joke

[@premacy2003]

Please when comparing performance include manual reviews. Most of us considering these cars will opt for a manual.

[@James-xs9mn]

the Cerato GT and Focus ST-line are auto only, the N-line is the only one with either choice, as for your second part your wrong most people will choose the automatic not the manual.

[@SVW1976]

Ford: We built the Focus in Germany! Everyone: So?

[@brandenvandermerwe5352]

Obviously loves the Kia! 🤣😂

[@chrischo7464]

Cerato GT so is alpealing with that price

[@Amsterlager]

The Kia looks like a CJ Lancer hatch and a Holden Cruze had a child. That rear end just looks really awkward and ruins the whole car.

[@mysterymeat5528]

It brings more practicality, yet, sacrifices aesthetics in doing so.

[@LukasGrounds]

Couldn't agree more. Wouldn't spend money on s thing looking so awkward

[@minimumtrade]

CJ lancer and Cruze hatches looked horrendous, the Focus is a little plain, but is not ugly.

[@ashcosmo3854]

Buy the ST if you want to spend more time at the dealership getting warranty repairs done. The Focus including the RS has been next level unreliable. Can't go past Hyundai/Kia warranty.

[@bingobongo1615]

Ash Cosmo Lol. The new Focus is from 2018 and has no problems yet.

[@xIcarus227]

Yeah, that's just not true: www.reliabilityindex.com/manufacturer Also, the RS has had a recall and the gasket issue was fixed. Do your homework better next time.

[@yorickhunt3371]

​@Vinnisl a "I've been married a month and my wife hasn't cheated yet?" @@xIcarus227 where on that linked page is mention made of the Focus range?

[@xIcarus227]

@@yorickhunt3371 it doesn't have to, it includes Ford and the Focus is their best selling car. By extension, the Focus being 'next level unreliable' would have easily eliminated them from the top 10. On top of that, cars coming from the same manufacturer share many parts between them. You rarely have a single model which has an engine problem since said engine is usually shared across their entire lineup. Same goes for other components.

[@yorickhunt3371]

@@xIcarus227 I don't think there's any question that Ford's sales figures in the USA (which is the market to which the linked report relates) would dwindle to irrelevance if it wasn't for the F-series utility vehicles they sell in that market. I'm also willing to perform an autoorchidectomy if anyone can show any relevant parts-sharing between the Focus and the F-series "trucks."

[@stevenbradford1662]

Ford Focus looks a lot better.

[@leoesposito8762]

all nice.. but ford for me..