Sorry I'm so late to the conversation, however, after more than 50 years of playing Besson and Yamaha tubas in brass bands, I have recently bought my own Bb orchestral tuba for a wind band which has proved extremely 'challenging' to get in tune. After looking at many videos on the subject this is without doubt is the best, fullest and most logical explanation I've heard. It allows me to understand the mechanical problems and allows me the opportunity to adjust my playing techniques to adapt. Very well done Trent - superb.
@yourmanb23107 жыл бұрын
Thank you! This is extremely helpful for an American tuba player alternating from 3 to four valve. I salute you sir.
@JorgmeisterBK9 жыл бұрын
That was a great explanation! Loving all your videos!
@TenorCantusFirmus5 жыл бұрын
Finally an intelligible explanation of how do compensating valves work! Actually, in Symphony Orchestras both piston and rotary tubas can be found, sometimes even in the same Orchestra, but that in this video's context is I think a minor detail.
@jessecohen45175 жыл бұрын
In orchestras tge have both rotary and piston but they are foward facing valves
@Saxshoe7 жыл бұрын
This explanation makes sense in theory, but how does the horn physically redirect the air through those extra lengths when the compensating valve is pressed?
@jdtubaman7 жыл бұрын
When you press the fourth valve, it sends the air column through the extra tubing as well. So, the extra lengths of tubing do not get used until you press the fourth valve. This is why the valve is off to the side rather then in line with the other three valves.
@velcroman114 жыл бұрын
Matt S. Ask a plumber!
@rcbuggies575 ай бұрын
I get the question, it's more like when you press a normal valve, it redirects through that one tube, but when you add compensating, it redirects air both through the extra tubing to get to the other key, along with sending it through the lower part of the normal valve being pressed which adds more tubing. It's basically a more complicated version of a double horn. In a double horn, air goes from the lead pipe through a rotary thumb valve, which adds the tubing of an f or b flat horn, then directs it to the main valve block, either going through the set of slides for f or b flat tuning, and then going off to the bell tail. A compensating horn (or other instrument) would go from the leadpipe to the valve block immediately, once passing through, it will pass the compensating valve, which will either send it straight through to the bell tail, or send it through piping to extend the open key. But what is interesting is that the compensating valve also intersects the main valve block slides, so when you press it, it will divert the air going through each slide in the valve block adding the extra bit of tubing for each of the three slides.
@melbournecrosbie8 жыл бұрын
I've recently started learning euphonium. Thanks for all the videos! This one nails the idea of the compesating system.
@phillipirwin7746 Жыл бұрын
Au contraire. Your's is the first explanation I've heard that has includes all the necessary bits of information necessary to understand just what happens. Kudos!
@zxKAOS18 жыл бұрын
It was a good explanation. I already read up on comp. vs. non comp. for euphoniums, but wanted to know what it'd actually look like. Showing the extra tubing on the back side of the valves of your tuba was helpful!
@darkwind90009 жыл бұрын
My euphonium has the compensating system it really helps with my church band music for the really croaker range.
@andreasask67914 жыл бұрын
Best explanation so far! I’ve seen some concert tubas with a loose tuning slide as well, so the player can change pitch dynamic.
@wheels58947 жыл бұрын
As a non-brass player I find this really interesting - like all you videos
@T-Slider4 жыл бұрын
Makes perfect sense to me. I don’t need to know exactly which way air goes. Ingenious! Thanks
@ryanschneider37008 жыл бұрын
Just curious, where have you seen seven-valve tubas? I know six valve + second-slide trigger tubas exist but that's not quite the same.
@pollosasadosalcarbon4 жыл бұрын
probably orchestras
@zoran.rosendahl9 жыл бұрын
Thanks Trent, that was really helpful!
@thinkerly14 жыл бұрын
Was led to this video by your video on The Science of Brass Tuning. Thank you, sir, for this.
@nwebster843 жыл бұрын
Have you seen or played three-valve compensating instruments? In high school, I played a Besson three-valve compensating euphonium that had some tubing that was only activated when 1 and 3 were depressed. Quite interesting.
@TrentHamilton3 жыл бұрын
Yes; I've done some videos on some I believe.
@kc0jtl7 жыл бұрын
I have been playing euphonium for years, and understood what compensating instruments did, but this is the first time I really understand how it works.
@syahirmasyhoridzhamfizzaya91547 жыл бұрын
Can you explain why the miraphone claim their rotary valves are compensating valve systems
@Cinnamonroll1256ytyite3 жыл бұрын
Rotary valve compensating systems exist. They are just rare.
@Dyllon2012 Жыл бұрын
The 4th valve also helps play the 13 (fourth) and 123 (tritone) valve combinations be more in tune.
@georgeroberts4422 жыл бұрын
Hey, thanks for this! I already knew how the horn worked, but it was great to hear your detailed explanation.
@jos60589 жыл бұрын
This has been very educative!!! thank you Trent!!!
@jessstuart74953 жыл бұрын
Some double french horns use a "reverse compensating" valve arrangement with rotary valves. On these horns, the tuning slides (tubes) on the front will be for the higher Bb horn (trigger valve depressed), and for the lower F horn (no trigger) both the front and back tuning slides (tubes) are used.
@Johnboysings7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that explanation - very helpful!
@memelab51837 жыл бұрын
Yeah have fun cleaning that whole thing
@cdgonepotatoes42196 жыл бұрын
this is why you don't see a tuba player without a bath tub
@The_MikeM2 жыл бұрын
@@cdgonepotatoes4219 Im a tuba without a bath Tub 🥲
@AndyPanda92 жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation! You made it very easy to follow.
@michaelalves76366 жыл бұрын
1:11 was that a nuke siren I the background
@kc0jtl3 жыл бұрын
I know it has been a few years since you made this, and I understand the four valve compensation system. However, a video explaining the three valve compensating system would cover something that I never grasped very well.
@andymayeuxproductions9 жыл бұрын
So those extra tuning slides on the back side of the valves on that tuba are like the bottom slides on a french horn, am I right? Like a tenor trombone with an f attachment, you just move the slide down like 2 or 3 centimeters when you press the valve. I understand what you were saying about how they got out of tune because when I was tuning the lower register with the f attachment on my trombone, such as going to Eb, D, Db and so on, you have to move the slide down further than what the normal position is.
@whale43042 жыл бұрын
Hi Trent, what brand of piccolo trumpet is that? Looks great!
@wendyscher29572 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Now It makes sense why my Imperial EEb is more in tune than my other horns!
@GoodrichTires7 жыл бұрын
1:10 RANDOM TORNADO SIRENS! WOOO!
@rogermwilcox8 жыл бұрын
I've seen compensating French horns that use a similar system. They have a set of big tuning slides that are active all the time, and a second set of tiny tuning slides that are added in only when the B-flat trigger ISN'T pressed. This is distinct from the usual Double Horn, which has two independent tuning slides on each valve that are never used at the same time. They do this to make the instrument weigh a little bit less -- though frankly, if they really want to save weight, they should make plastic French horns (the same way we now have plastic trumpets, cornets, and tenor trombones).
@MrInitialMan8 жыл бұрын
I think Getzen made them.
@mal2ksc8 жыл бұрын
So did Conn. I had one. They're fine if you play on the B♭ side practically all the time (in other words if you're a "first" or "third" player), not so much if you play on the F side more often than not. I actually altered the thumb trigger on mine so it stood in B♭ and pressing the trigger flipped it to F -- similar to a conventional 4th valve on other compensating brass instruments. (This only required re-stringing it.) A full double, on the other hand, is well-suited for both purposes, if heavier. It's also easier to tune when the ambient conditions change because each slide is independent of all the others.
@MrInitialMan8 жыл бұрын
Actually, compensating for different tuning is the reason trumpets have triggers. Also, a bit of didjano here: there IS a compensating French Horn. Getzen made "double" french horns for schools that were actually compensating. I know this because I worked on a few when I was doing musical instrument repair.
@rogermwilcox8 жыл бұрын
Were the compensating horns lighter and easier to carry than the normal double horns?
@MrInitialMan8 жыл бұрын
Less tubing, so not only lighter, but cheaper.
@rogermwilcox8 жыл бұрын
Makes you wonder why ALL double horns aren't compensating.
@MrInitialMan8 жыл бұрын
Makes you wonder why ALL compensating horns aren't double.
@mal2ksc8 жыл бұрын
Stuffiness is why. Passing the air through the valve section twice, and all the bends in the slides, increases resistance a great deal. You get much more even resistance under all valve combinations if the two sets of slides are completely independent, and the air only passes through the valve section once.
@timb65807 жыл бұрын
Great video. As you were demonstrating compensating valves it looked as if the tuning slides on the front were roughly the same as the ones on the back, maybe one is slightly longer. Could it not be that when they using the forth valve, you use one set of tuning slides and without the forth valve, the other set of tuning slides? Genuine question?
@rekceder24 жыл бұрын
Just came across this wonderful post! Very informative! Considering what you have said, would a good rule-of-thumb be to assume that a side mounted 4th valve is a “compensating” instrument? Correspondingly, that an in-line 4th valve is not? Thanks in advance and I very much enjoy your posts!
@TrentHamilton4 жыл бұрын
Inline fourth valves are never compensating, from what I’ve seen, but side mounted fourth valves can be either compensating or non compensating
@anglerroy24287 жыл бұрын
Trent, you are my favorite KZbin personality. Your videos are always entertaining and informative. I also look for your (too infrequent) posts on Trumpet Herald.
@TrentHamilton7 жыл бұрын
I've never posted on that website?
@anglerroy24287 жыл бұрын
Oh, no; you HAVE posted on Trumpet Herald. You have fans there. I was merely suggesting that we would enjoy hearing more from you there. Warm regards, Grits.
@RegalPlatypus7 жыл бұрын
Are there instruments (particularly euphoniums) in which the compensating valve is in line with the three standard valves?
@TrentHamilton7 жыл бұрын
I haven't seen one. All euphoniums with 4 valves inline are all non-compensating, as far as I've seen.
@pollosasadosalcarbon4 жыл бұрын
check how many sets of tuning slides it has, if it has more than one, its a compensating one
@sceu253 жыл бұрын
I'm very late, but Wessex has a euphonium with a fourth in-line compensating valve.
@holgerdvachlis65602 жыл бұрын
Very clear explanation.
@douglasfur38088 жыл бұрын
Thanks, a good explanation. And all this time I thought compensating valves were about what every guy is always compensating for but there is a musical reason for having a bigger fancier horn.
@anglegrinder8 жыл бұрын
This is exactly what i wanted to know.
@mallenwho9 жыл бұрын
so it adds a second set of piping through the primary valves. And from what i can see it's running 2 pipes between each valve (same a french horn i think?) I'd figured that that is how compensating instruments worked. But how mechanically does the fourth valve trigger the extra pipe in 3 valves way upstream from it? Is there a string or band or finger that pulls a second valve, or are you just pressing deeper with your own force on the first 3 valves?
@TrentHamilton9 жыл бұрын
Hi Jesse, the concept is similar to a double french horn. Normally air goes through the valve section once, but when you press the fourth valve, the airflow is redirected through valve section again, but following a different pathway. This second pathway has the extra tuning slides connected on to it. There's no additional linkages or extra mechanisms. The first three valves are extra long, and have extra pathways through them to handle the two different airstreams.
@mallenwho9 жыл бұрын
ah so it just u-turns the pipe back through the valves, and then exits out the "front" of the block? that is a lot more elegant a way of doing it than i was expecting.
@bobjacobson8583 жыл бұрын
I thought it was an excellent explanation; thanks!
@AbrEvig7 ай бұрын
Thank you! Very useful indeed!!!
@iantheorem4 жыл бұрын
Makes perfect sense!
@seansutherland62708 жыл бұрын
So would it be better to buy a tuba with a compensating system or 5/6 valves ?
@TrentHamilton8 жыл бұрын
Try both and see which one you prefer.
@60darklord8 жыл бұрын
I would personally get a compensating. The extra valves make it hard to be mobile in the lower register. You can play a bit lower though, but for most pieces, a pedal A, or pedal Bb should be just fine.
@seansutherland62708 жыл бұрын
60darklord currently I only play on a 3 valve
@60darklord8 жыл бұрын
+Frozengames the pedal tones below e1 can be produced, but the tone quality isn't the same as using a four valve model. I play down to D1 and Eb1 on my marching sousaphone, and it's only a three valve
@seansutherland62708 жыл бұрын
60darklord I've tried that and it's just horrible sounding luckily my school uses contras with 4 valves but I don't play tuba for marching band I play baritone
@ardeladimwit10 ай бұрын
thanks-- that helps a lot. Appreciated.
@briancusworth5 жыл бұрын
That was very interesting. Thank you
@d.schoepflin22473 жыл бұрын
A tuba like that must cost more than a new sports car right Trent? Thanks for explaining the compensating Valve System. I hear about it all the time from fellow brass players and felt stupid because I didn't have a clue what they were talking about, nut next time I will, If I don't forget by then. Thank you Trent, for the educational video!
@agogobell289 жыл бұрын
Is your E-flat trumpet a Kanstul? It looks like one, with the tuning slide wrap.
@TrentHamilton9 жыл бұрын
agogobell28 Unfortunately not. It's a Chinese copy of a Kanstul, I suspect.
@HugeWillie420698 жыл бұрын
You mentioned tubas with more than 4 valves. What does the fifth valve do? Does it extend your range or is it used in already achievable ranges to make the note more in tune?
@TrentHamilton8 жыл бұрын
+Willie Batista The latter. Tubas with more than 4 valves are generally rotary valves which don't have compensating capabilities.
@HugeWillie420698 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your time
@ryanschneider37008 жыл бұрын
+Willie Batista The fifth valve lowers the pitch by approximately five quarter tones i.e. a very flat whole step. Example, if you're playing a C, playing just the fifth valve will give you somewhere between a Bb and an A. The sixth valve adds another whole step lower than the fifth valve (I think). These two are generally used to play more in tune in the low register, as brass performers tend to go sharper the lower they play.
@60darklord8 жыл бұрын
+Ryan Schneider I can agree. My four valve Bb tuba is so so sharp in the lower register. I have the fourth valve tuning slide pulled almost all of the way out
@mikeliu599 жыл бұрын
So What about 5 valve tubas? Are they compensated because of a fifth valve?
@Danishhenchman6 жыл бұрын
There are also F tubas that used frequently in orchestras.
@geoffhudson82199 жыл бұрын
Very clear, thank you.
@therandompauldude9 жыл бұрын
Thank you for clearing this up... It's kind of reminiscent to me of a tenor bone with the extra tubing that puts it from Bb to F. That whole Idea made this video easier to understand. It's essentially the same thing but for valves right?
@TrentHamilton9 жыл бұрын
+Paul G. Yes - fourth valve does the same thing as the F trigger on a trombone.
@mal2ksc8 жыл бұрын
Yes, but when you use the trigger, you "compensate" by lengthening your slide positions to stay in tune. It's why there's no 7th position when using the trigger (thus no low B♮ without a second trigger or putting your trigger in E). It's a much simpler system both mechanically and in terms of airflow. This is why it remains popular and prevalent even though it has its downsides as well (slower, more tiring to play, and difficult to slur).
@DinoboySeth6 жыл бұрын
Do you know how five+ valve rotary tubas/basses work or help the instrument?
@jessecohen45177 жыл бұрын
So what's the different beetween a double French horn and a compensating horn and is a triple horn some sort of double compensating system or just a extra tuning slide
@dkelzenb6 жыл бұрын
A regular double horn has two "sides"--the F side and the Bb side. On the F side the valves direct air through the front set of valve slides (or whatever you call the bits of tubing that are added when the valve is depressed). When you activate the thumb valve to switch to the Bb side, the air is directed through a shorter set of tubing (thus reducing the total length of the instrument), and it uses the back (smaller) set of valve slides. Thus you have two separate, independent sets of valve slides. In a compensating horn, the basic length of the horn is the Bb side. With the thumb valve depressed, the length of the horn pitches it in Bb, and the valves direct the air through the front set of valve slides. (This is why the front valve slides are smaller on the compensating horn--their length is correct for Bb, not F.) When the thumb valve is released to pitch the horn in F, a length of tubing is added to lower the pitch by a perfect 4th, and now the air is directed through BOTH the front and back valve slides. So the valve slides are NOT independent. They are used together to lower the pitch the correct amount for the horn pitched in F. (Thus the front valve slides on the compensating horn are the same length as the back (Bb side) valve slides on a regular double horn, and the front and back slides together are the same length as just the front slides on a regular double horn.) Sorry, I don't know how a triple horn works.
@jameskelly71809 жыл бұрын
could you give me the link as to where you got the Eb from ?
@jameskelly71808 жыл бұрын
What is the piccolo brand ?
@sabinakozlova9429 жыл бұрын
What about 3 valve Compensating instruments? If the additional tuning slides are making right length of instrument to play in tune in another key(with 4th valve pressed)..What it does with only 3 valves but compensated? Thanks for answer!
@TrentHamilton9 жыл бұрын
Sabina Kozlova There is no such thing as a 3 valve compensating instrument that I know of. It's a shame, but they'd be very complicated to design and build. The valves would need to be much longer than normal to accommodate all the additional loops of tubing.
@sabinakozlova9429 жыл бұрын
Trent Hamilton I know that it exists. Search for more older versions of compensating Besson or Boosey & Hawkes tubas. Many of them has only 3 valves like this pbs.twimg.com/media/BswQpx9IUAAbcvb.jpg
@TrentHamilton9 жыл бұрын
Woah, I've seen those instruments, but I've never studied them closely. I will now. Thanks for pointing that out to me :)
@davidjungheim8883 жыл бұрын
Are all non-rotating, 4 valve tubas compensating?
@TrentHamilton3 жыл бұрын
No, not at all.
@bigmama-gb6js7 жыл бұрын
Which values are better
@txsphere8 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed this video and your video on trombone triggers, it makes me wonder how the double french horn works. Can you explain that?
@TrentHamilton8 жыл бұрын
+txsphere The double french horn doesn't use compensating valves. It has two sets of tuning slides for valve, one for each 'side' of the horn.
@mathieumagendie6708 жыл бұрын
+Trent Hamilton it's actually a similar system... Instead of having lenght of tubing added like on youre bass it's another slide but the result is the same there is a different lengh of slide for the two pitches of the intrument. On some modern triple horns (F,Bb,F an octave above) there are some compensating valves on one slite to play some notes, i don't really know how this work but I know that my horn teacher have this feature on his horn. Sincerly, a French frech horn player
@zetouf6 жыл бұрын
very clear thank you
@xylophone8976 жыл бұрын
Aren't double horns compensating? Mine has 4 valves and the main 3 all have 2 tuning slides each. There are a total of 8 tuning slides.
@TrentHamilton6 жыл бұрын
A true double horn is in a category of it's own. Although there are compensating 4 valve horns where if you activate the fourth valve the airflow goes through the valve block twice; kinda like what happens with compensating pistons.
@frenchhornist2038 жыл бұрын
on the Eb tuba does it work the same way as the Bb trigger on a French horn?
@TrentHamilton8 жыл бұрын
+frenchhornist203 No. The fourth valve on a single french horn is simply an additional valve. The valve on a double horn swaps to a different 'side' of the instrument which is a different type of compensating system. It results in more overall tubing and therefore more weight, but has less overall resistance than the compensating mechanism I discuss in this video.
@KingDracSiege8 жыл бұрын
Are there many brass bands in Europe/England? In America I can name about one or two that I know of (British style Brass Bands that are professional paying bands) one being the advocate brass band of it is still in operation and the other being the Lexington Brass Band. I love the beautiful sound of British Style Brass Bands.
@KingDracSiege8 жыл бұрын
I think I'm moving to Britain! There are so few british style brass bands in America.
@Xenol19978 жыл бұрын
Luke Foster Do you play? Or do you just want to listen?
@KingDracSiege8 жыл бұрын
I play trombone/euph.
@MrSuperpancho99 жыл бұрын
So are there compensating piccolo trumpets? If not, why not?
@TrentHamilton9 жыл бұрын
+MrSuperpancho9 It depends on the brand. Generally not, because piccolo trumpets aren't designed to play low. Their job is to play high notes.
@markwatkinson44405 жыл бұрын
How do 3 valve compensating instruments work, such as the the besson sovereign baritone?
@TrentHamilton5 жыл бұрын
The third valve tuning slide leads back into the first valve (via a different set of ports to the initial airflow), and the air passes through extra 1st and 2nd valve tuning slides before exiting the valve block on the 3rd valve.
@ArmoredLion2178 жыл бұрын
I play Bb trumpet and on the low concert B and C notes (a trumpet's Db and D) it requires me to extend my third valve slide out a bit on the B and out a bit less on the C to stay in tune. What I don't get is why those valve fingerings are out of tune on those notes specifically. This is probably more of a scientific question, but it's always seemed rather odd to me. Love the videos. Thanks.
@Looser_237 жыл бұрын
Lynn Hall Don't forget C#
@ArmoredLion2177 жыл бұрын
Steffen Axmann C# = Db. If you're referring to concert C# (a trumpet's D#/Eb), I've been taught that that pitch should not have the 3rd valve slide extended.
@Looser_237 жыл бұрын
Lynn Hall I meant C# in Bb, but purely in theory it is a tiny bit higher than Db.
@ArmoredLion2177 жыл бұрын
Steffen Axmann I agree, as a musician of details, it's good to hear how notes blend with different keys and chords.
@freddielo43307 жыл бұрын
I'd try my best to answer your question with my limited knowledge of physics and music... so correct me if I'm wrong. I also play the trumpet, so I know what you are talking about. I think the extension is needed because of the fact that the relationship between musical notes and frequency is nonlinear. the 3rd value of the trumpet I believe is designed to make the 2+3 value combination in tune, that's why we don't need to extend the tube on concert C# and F#. however, since the first value is designed to make the fundamentals of the trumpet down one whole step from Bb to Ab, and the length of the tube is the ratio of that change and ONLY That change. The same goes with the 2nd value (but from Bb to A). Then the problem emerge when you press the 3rd value, as it tunes the instrument down to about G (so Bb to G), and the ratio of frequency you need to further change the fundamentals one whole step from G to F is actually bigger than what you need from Bb to Ab, meaning you need more tubing. and that why we need to extend the 3rd value.
@TheCesnar848 жыл бұрын
so its kinda like how a double french horn works?
@janAlekantuwa8 жыл бұрын
Mostly. The B-flat side of the double horn has its own tuning slides and the air doesn't pass through the F tuning slides when the trigger is engaged. On compensating valves, the low side has short lengths of tubing that the air passes through in addition to the valve slides on the normal side
@TheCesnar848 жыл бұрын
Ok thank you i was wondering
@rafaeltrindade64146 жыл бұрын
Great job! Is there a compensating trombone ?
@majcrash6 жыл бұрын
Trombone players all seem to be compensating for something, but you'll have to work that out on your own.
@theyellowentity96686 жыл бұрын
lol
@rafaeltrindade64146 жыл бұрын
majcrash I mean like, the seventh position using the F valve. Like, just a "kind of half" extension, instead of another valve with a third of extension.
@majcrash6 жыл бұрын
Dude, you have a giant slide that's infinitely adjustable on the fly. Why do you need a compensating system? Other than for my earlier comment, of course.
@valvetrom8 жыл бұрын
did you ever work for the taxdepartment?
@TrentHamilton8 жыл бұрын
+Hermann Otto That's a very random question. No. I do not, nor ever had, worked for the IRD.
@ericheidner63559 жыл бұрын
Good information--I appreciate your series of videos. I see someone else already was asking about 3 valve compensating instruments. To that, I would like to add that some "French" horns also have compensating systems to avoid a 2nd row of the 3 main tuning slides. Here is a nice article on them: hornmatters.com/2008/12/what-is-a-compensating-double/
@pixelated_dream47325 жыл бұрын
Did anyone else here a siren or is it just me at 1:05
@Ashleigh_Gradel9 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, and based on my experience with the tuba, a good ear generally can compensate well enough.
@Turbontine9 жыл бұрын
Using your ear to compensate is not always a great idea. Because obtaining lower ranges requires more and more tubing as you progress lower, using your embouchure to adjust to the new center of pitch deteriorates tone quality of a player. It's the reason trombones can't always rely on moving their slides in or out to achieve intonation. This is what the valve system "Compensates" for. It's a great idea, and I wouldn't mind spending the extra money to get one for a Tuba or Euphonium.
@Ashleigh_Gradel9 жыл бұрын
Turbontine That's interesting. I've been playing tuba for 6 years, and I've always used my embouchure to adjust, and, ironically enough, my tone quality tends to get better in either extrema, compared to the normal range.
@TrentHamilton9 жыл бұрын
Robert Gradel Turbontine I'm going to side with Turbontine on this one - I think that having to manually compensate for your instrument is poor practice.
@collinthomas90839 жыл бұрын
It's easy to compensate on a non-compensating tuba during slower passages. Compensating horns are always used in British brass bands because the player doesn't have time to worry about the intonation problems of the horn when they are expected to play in tune while playing shredding bass lines.
@collinthomas90839 жыл бұрын
I've played all sorts of horns and even own a EEb compensator bass, and I'll tell you this: I would never touch a non-compensating bass tuba after playing compensating horn, the low range is much easier to access at greater speeds than non-compensating bass tubas. As for contrabass tubas, it really depends on the style of music you play. If you don't go below E1 very often then a non-comper will do just fine. If you play below E1 very often like BBb basses do in BBBs, then I would highly suggest getting a BBb comper.
@trumpetplayerdude98387 жыл бұрын
If you change the key of an instrument just pull the slides out more not get longer slides
@aaronhastie8309 жыл бұрын
how are the extra tubing on the other valves included when you press the 4th valve, but not when you are playing without it?
@TrentHamilton9 жыл бұрын
+Aaron Hastie Because pressing the fourth valve sends the airstream back through the valves through a different set of holes.
@SirCutBent-Gaming9 жыл бұрын
hey where is my four valve baritone my is under the brand ambassador what the
@clayton35904 жыл бұрын
Damn bro i just pull out first valve a little bit
@scotdixon7774 жыл бұрын
There's not enough length to do that effectively and still play in tune, at least not for long instruments.
@cheesemage8446 жыл бұрын
I dont understand because im a percussionist
@jakgff58855 жыл бұрын
Id still take a miraphone over a York anyday
@mikestang679 Жыл бұрын
What's up the NEW 5 valve NON-COMPENSATING euphonium? Was I dreaming, or is it actually real?....🎼