Compensators For Your Harley...Should You Eliminate Them?

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Kevin Baxter

Kevin Baxter

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@louswain3240
@louswain3240 Ай бұрын
I am a now retired Master Service Tech. Had I remained with the Motor Company I would have spent 20 years as a Master of Technology. I'm not sure how I managed to miss finding out about this man for as long as I did but,I just wanted to say this. I deeply regret being in the dark for so long! Anyone who watches this channel needs to pay close attention! Take notes etc. Even an old line mechanic like myself is learning new things! Thank you Kevin!
@donzollars8187
@donzollars8187 Жыл бұрын
My comparator went out 😢 I have a 21 road glide limited with 10,100 miles so its out of warranty. I ended up with a billet comp ramp, new starter, new battery, I had one burnt clutch plate so I went with a set of heavier clutch springs. Add in the labor and my bill was $1,800. I'm not happy and about to sell my Harley and buy a GoldWing!!!!! I am mad that every time I take my bike to the shop its a minnum of $1,000! New "lo miles bikes" shouldn't have catastrophic failures, for the price of a new motorcycle today it should not brake OR have a better warranty!
@whatyoumakeofit6635
@whatyoumakeofit6635 4 ай бұрын
100% agreed
@Jim_Berry
@Jim_Berry Жыл бұрын
Hey Kevin, good to see you in the new shop and making tech videos. The compensator is there for a reason. I’ll never get rid of it. I agree with you completely…..most of us don’t need to remove it.
@kennethwise7108
@kennethwise7108 Жыл бұрын
If you have a big bore Evo motor you have no other choice. Nobody makes anything for older bikes.
@RidersUnited
@RidersUnited Жыл бұрын
Exactly what my intuition was whispering in my ear. Make perfect sense to me. Better to replace compensator than trans, clutch and many other components
@gdubbsmotolife9713
@gdubbsmotolife9713 Жыл бұрын
From what i understand, the weakest compensators from HD came in stock bikes from the 06-09 Dynas and 07-09 FLs and Softails.
@jasonmansfieldsr8645
@jasonmansfieldsr8645 Жыл бұрын
Kevin, you speak reason. As an engineer myself, I recognize that Harley engineers are not infallible. However, they are the experts in that particular design and they don’t add features just to make the product more expensive for the consumer initially or to make it more expensive to maintain. Those features like the compensator are added to make the product more reliable overall. Deletion of a certain feature should only be done after learning why it exists and deliberating the resulting pros and cons. You’ve added some education to why the compensator exists and what can happen if it’s deleted, which is truly helpful. Thanks!
@Stoopermoose
@Stoopermoose 8 ай бұрын
Yeh, explain twin cam tensioners
@WyattSmith-pu6jm
@WyattSmith-pu6jm 7 ай бұрын
Then why don't they balance their cranks from the factory?? Yeah great engineers and we are charged to much for very minimal
@pontiacdriver999
@pontiacdriver999 6 ай бұрын
@@WyattSmith-pu6jmthe compensator does NOT compensate for an unbalanced crank. It compensates for how the Harley motors share a crank pin and that both cylinders are firing on the same stroke which creates pulses, especially at lower engine speeds (below about 2500rpms). Has nothing to do with unbalanced cranks.
@briannorwell202
@briannorwell202 Жыл бұрын
I changed my Man O War in my 128" build at 20,000 miles to see if I'd notice any wear. The new bushings quieted it down. So while 20,000 miles doesn't seem like a lot, remember it is a 150hp 128" and the bushings are only $40.00 and really quick to change...not to mention the better drivetrain feel the Man O War gives...
@rodcameron5129
@rodcameron5129 Жыл бұрын
I agree 100%
@FranBunnyFFXII
@FranBunnyFFXII Жыл бұрын
I swapped my Comp ramp in my FLFBS with a tool steel one from CycleRama. Problem Solved. Compensator features preserved. Was a fairly easy swap. You dont need to pull the clutch basket. You can pull the entire compensataor out once you remove the chain tensioner.
@toddgittins5692
@toddgittins5692 Жыл бұрын
And on belt drives, clutch hub is a wearable part. I would never get rid of the compensator, on a modern, daily rider. JMO. Great video!
@wesleyfowler8363
@wesleyfowler8363 Жыл бұрын
I blew the stock compensator in 17 SGS in less than 10k miles. 3 dealerships said the noise was normal. Outside private owned shop confirmed it was not 😂. Was like pulling teeth getting HD to warranty the failure
@ejdtm
@ejdtm Жыл бұрын
I’m running an extra spring in my compensator by Dan Thayer and I have 110,000 miles (18 RG) on the stock comp with a built motor. I ride briskly, but I don’t beat on it.
@SWATT101
@SWATT101 Жыл бұрын
And where do I find info on the extra spring...can't really find a link on the net
@bobgoes4129
@bobgoes4129 Жыл бұрын
40,000 miles with the manowar compensator, working perfectly and not noisy with my Heritage. Engine build perfect, might have something to do with that, also ride moderately. I can and do recommend the product strongly. Glad to see you back in your business, looking great. Hope to get together soon, best always. Bob
@barryharvey431
@barryharvey431 Жыл бұрын
Went to a manual primary chain adjuster and solid sprocket. At 10k miles and counting, like being able to find neutral and the easy gear shifts.
@jimscycleandautotn8508
@jimscycleandautotn8508 Жыл бұрын
Go hydraulic for tensioner , they rock 🤙
@1995FSB
@1995FSB 11 ай бұрын
@@jimscycleandautotn8508 any recommendations?
@lozada1971
@lozada1971 Жыл бұрын
You have the best HD information on the internet, period. Very informative even for people not mechanically inclined like me.
@Old940
@Old940 Жыл бұрын
Had to replace my compensator on my O4 after some one did a complete engine rebuild. They didn't check it but I found it along with a lot of more problems.
@janyoung1633
@janyoung1633 Жыл бұрын
My Darkhorse compensator has been working perfectly so far.. They make a great one! I drove over to WI. to their shop directly from MI. to purchase it. Thanks for your recommendations. 20 K on it and running strong! M8 107 2017 Roadglide Special..
@TERRYMCCLUSKEY
@TERRYMCCLUSKEY Жыл бұрын
I'm guessing that it could be said that the compensator is a sacrificial link that helps preserve other components in the drive chain setup, kind of like a fuse in an electrical system. So it's a replacement item that's easier and less costly to replace than everything downstream, would you say?
@roncoburn7771
@roncoburn7771 Жыл бұрын
good video Iam at 165 hp on my everyday bagger and I run cycle rama ramp no problems
@davekennedy4002
@davekennedy4002 Жыл бұрын
Good information and explanation Kevin, thanks for sharing. 👍🏻🇺🇸
@brianmann986
@brianmann986 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video, Kevin. I am new to Harleys, and am discussing whether to upgrade or delete my factory compensator on my '21 M8 107, which I upgraded to Stage II. Since I don't race, the answer is clear to keep the compensator, but I will upgrade to high alloy steel billet. I have seen reports of stock cast compensators cracking even at lower miles. I don't run the power many do, but even so that's an untenable failure on the road!
@scottmagnuson7539
@scottmagnuson7539 Жыл бұрын
I have a Baker Compensator 36,000 miles on it no issues at all well worth the money . Great Video Kevin !!
@CATmanATL22
@CATmanATL22 Жыл бұрын
Kevin, I have a 2012 Road king and I put the Screamin eagle compensator on mine and it works fine. I think it’s the same thing as the stock compensator just a little more heavy duty.
@hankhamern5456
@hankhamern5456 Жыл бұрын
I have a solid on a 120 Evo, I also have the Dark horse on my S.2 M8 r.king I love it. Probably will be going back to the original comp. on the Evo. Always a pleasure thank you sir.
@martinwall7297
@martinwall7297 Жыл бұрын
Kevin, how about developing a gear drive primary system. as in my old 1948 Indian chief. it worked great. less parts fewer problems.
@StevenDaugherty-uo5cs
@StevenDaugherty-uo5cs 6 ай бұрын
Pretty much hit the nail on the head when you brought up the issue of high horsepower and torque in today's engines. The reason we can run straight sprockets and primary chains without tensioners in our oil Panheads is because we're not churning out crazy high H.P. and torque numbers. And even with what we are putting out we break things. Today's big engines shake, rattle and roll and all that energy has to go somewhere. This the introduction of compensators. Eliminate them at your own risk because eventually something's going to give. Nice little video.
@trekbsg
@trekbsg Жыл бұрын
On my '09 Road King, I have chosen to compensate. After 70k miles the oe compensator began to fail, I opted for the factory recommended S.E. for replacement, my engine is relatively stock aside from an increase in displacement(to 103ci) and the usual "stage 1" goodies, I'm also not an aggressive rider (as I once was in my youth😉), so far so good and I don't expect it to fail anytime soon with my style of riding. Ride on all and be safe.
@mattovictimcycles1334
@mattovictimcycles1334 Жыл бұрын
Installed a man o war. in my 07..Ultra...Hated it to much gear changing due to lurching...made sure primary chain was was right even put Hayden tensioner...Put in a 2010 SE comp...factory tensioner....Seem to be good.....
@frankfurther3828
@frankfurther3828 Жыл бұрын
Your info reminds me of the guy that replaces his stock bumper with a piece of iron. Then a minor hit bends his frame instead just the stock bumper. Thank you.
@RipleyxReactive
@RipleyxReactive Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vid, it definitely helped make my mind up about changing to an eliminator. Let's just say I have a softail with compensator.
@jimstafslien168
@jimstafslien168 Жыл бұрын
Installed a Dark Horse compensator along with a Oregon Hot Bike hydraulic chain tensioner. Better throttle response, smoother shifting, and dead quiet primary! 2015 SGS.
@donrudeboyt1895
@donrudeboyt1895 Жыл бұрын
You explain it in a way that makes logical sense. These parts are put in for a reason. The Motor Company wouldn’t add more for no reason. I’m in the camp of having a compensator.
@alvintarrer6914
@alvintarrer6914 Жыл бұрын
Rite on ...sounds like good since....it is what it is ...look like you caught up on rest,congratulations on your new shop may you prosper my friend 👍☕️☕️✌️
@michaeltaylor3268
@michaeltaylor3268 Жыл бұрын
Great info, have a question about the baker compensator for the M8.
@throttleGod
@throttleGod Жыл бұрын
Before I watch IMO to eliminate is only pushing the problem of the weakest link to another location to absorb. To eliminate again IMO should be reserved for 1/4 miles runs not the street but hey it's just my opinion. OK now I'll watch and get the education, might change my mind Kevin.
@RIPGLIDE
@RIPGLIDE Жыл бұрын
Another vote here for the Man O War. I have one in my 2015 Ultra and I love it. Shifting is so much better. It didn't really have a shifting problem before but now its silky smooth.
@bretthenson9447
@bretthenson9447 Жыл бұрын
Very good Topic Kevin we have a Company that produces these Compensator Ramps in Australia in Gladstone Queensland they are making these items that are virtually indistructable the name of the Company is called ALPHA PERFORMANCE ENGINES (APE) ,, The guys at Harbour City Harley Davidson really do know their Stuff and are Building some Awesome Big Power out of these M8 engines aswel like I'm talking 165 HP 173 Ft Lbs of torque and Beyond. But here I think the component is valued at around $700. Keep up the Great work Kevin I always love watching all of your informative videos Maaaaate. Brett in AU🇦🇺
@scottbradshaw5249
@scottbradshaw5249 Жыл бұрын
Manowar sprocket is the way to go. 2014 Roadking, Zipper's 107 sport kit,Darkhorse crank,115hp, 120tq .Runs great, no issues.
@mobilemechanix1
@mobilemechanix1 Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@KevinBaxter
@KevinBaxter 10 ай бұрын
Thank you sir! I really appreciate it!
@juniorcopeland9082
@juniorcopeland9082 Жыл бұрын
Nice job Kevin, you explained that very well 👍
@elmaestro6106
@elmaestro6106 Жыл бұрын
Mr. Kevin I think your videos are outstanding! So much so, when my 2015 Road Glide Special hits 50k I plan on taking it to you from Albuquerque, NM for a complete rebuild.
@dougcox2537
@dougcox2537 Жыл бұрын
Kevin, I agree with your choice. When I watched your video with Dark Horse and saw the Dark Horse product, I knew I wanted one in my bike. Little did I know at that time I was going to do a full build. I am glad now I waited. If I remember, you couldn't wait to get to there new part to talk about it. I back it up and watched it twice. I just ordered me a Skunked Hoodie. We are having some cooler mornings down here in Georgia too.
@kamil6144
@kamil6144 Жыл бұрын
Hey Kavin, fantastic to see your tech videos again! I opened my Darkhorse comp after 10k miles during primary and clutch maintenance. Cushions were like new. I had new ones for replacement but decided to put back old due to its condition.
@jasongallagher7646
@jasongallagher7646 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Kevin, you've answered a lot of my questions. I will be doing the Dark Horse!
@richardhudson5511
@richardhudson5511 Жыл бұрын
Kevin you're right on time with this one...... I'm about ti pop my primary open for inspection of everything in a 42k mile new to me 2011 Crossbones. Have been eyeing the Darkhorse unit as a possible upgrade if I need to replace my compensator.
@marlecmarine5393
@marlecmarine5393 Жыл бұрын
Great video, point well made, l am going to fit a Dark Horse or Baker Drivetrain compensator, have not decided which one yet, to my 2010 Fatboy Lo, beginning to clank loudly on start up and neutral difficult to find sometimes, l suppose it must be the compensator.........
@ALPHAFTUCK
@ALPHAFTUCK Жыл бұрын
Awesome vid! And I personally think that if it's in there from factory there's a reason. For the most part at least. Cheers from frosty Alberta Canada 🇨🇦
@richporak
@richporak Жыл бұрын
Great vid Kevin. I have a stage 2 107 M8 and I want reliability. I choose to keep the stock comp and if it fails which I don’t expect it too because I don’t abuse my bike, I’ll just replace it with an upgraded ramp and spring pack. I want my transmission, clutch and driveline to stay healthy. I’ll build a SE 119 or a 124 some day and will still keep the compensator. My right wrist will roll the power on slower and I’ll shift the bike easier to keep the primary and driveline from getting hammered to aggressively.
@jamessouthworth1699
@jamessouthworth1699 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this information I've been considering eliminating my compensator but after careful consideration I think I'll just replace it.
@marvinjacobs2955
@marvinjacobs2955 Жыл бұрын
I’m running a Dark Horse balanced crank with their dark horse compensator on a mild 110 build. I don’t baby it but I don’t beat it to death either.
@donmunro144
@donmunro144 Жыл бұрын
I've got an 07 ultra. I put the darkhorse unit in it with no regrets.
@Villafix
@Villafix Жыл бұрын
Awesome video, working on bikes myself for living for quite a few years and from time to time, not always but there will come a bike with its springs shattered inside needing spring discs replaced and good to go, and a good service of course. But on my case there tends to be a trend and these bikes for the most part have either neglected service such as regular km oil changes, and/or as you stated very aggressive along with a few bad habits when riding (conclusions made after talking to clients leading me to that) great content sir, a huge follower all the way from Chile, south America
@richardphillips1041
@richardphillips1041 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Kevin, great food for thought as always..photo bomb fly!
@adamchess4543
@adamchess4543 Жыл бұрын
The engine shaft side variator pulley on my moped is made of aluminum I've replaced it many times but it's a lot cheaper than a bent crank! I think this is a similar situation.
@Rick-Williams59
@Rick-Williams59 Жыл бұрын
I ran a solid gear on my 2013 Road Glide for roughly 500 miles, I didn't like the feel the bike had running, more of a vibration, so I went back to the SE compensator and haven't had any issues so far.
@andrewvickers4487
@andrewvickers4487 Жыл бұрын
Always useful to tune into the latest banter, no doubt there's no shortage of confusion there to clear up hehe. Whichever way you choose to teach please keep it coming Kevin, can't tell you what you've done for my bike building knowledge.
@shameless6963
@shameless6963 Жыл бұрын
Really appreciate that video. Not having trouble out of my compensator. Have an '02 Dyna Super Glide and was researching for an upgraded comp. for future reference and couldn't find any. You answered my question without me asking. Guess I won't worry too much about it. Thanks
@buzzpoluchi3217
@buzzpoluchi3217 3 ай бұрын
I'm a little late but consider this. My '71 fx has a solid sprocket and has no provisions for electric start. The same vintage flh with electric start has a compensator. But I once owned a 250cc Ossa dirt bike that had a compensator very similar to the harley setup. My contention is the compensator is to ease the pain on the starter be it an electric motor or your leg. Keep in mind the Ossa ran full advance timing at all times and could be brutal to start. I might be wrong.
@jimmyclaxton6763
@jimmyclaxton6763 Жыл бұрын
I just replaced my compensator in my 2007 Street Glide with 56,000 miles on it. I some what knew the purpose of the comp was but your video explained it perfectly. Thanks for educating to me on what a compensator does.
@tennesseebound6597
@tennesseebound6597 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, so in your opinion would you at least replace the stock ramp with a star or a moonshiners ramp?
@HDRoadKing-ih3mn
@HDRoadKing-ih3mn 20 сағат бұрын
i had kick back during start that broke the starter clutch, then i flaten the 3 points on the ramp from my Baker comp, and add a spring to to springpack, now since 3jr. no issues
@dougfresh1341
@dougfresh1341 Жыл бұрын
I’ll plug the ManOWar for ya. 😁 30k miles on a 2012 EG. No worries. Bout due for new cushions. You know Harley had comp problems. You don’t redesign something 5 times in 7 years if it’s working.
@randymccalla9995
@randymccalla9995 8 ай бұрын
This is excellent information, by a Very Experienced Motor Builder.. And I will back up his Opinions fully, because I had an eliminator, but the clutch soon needed a new splineed hub..I did put back a compensator, currently It runs and shifts more smoothly.
@jeffkuhn7135
@jeffkuhn7135 Жыл бұрын
Great tech video as always. You always are honest about your opinions and thoughts on any subject. You don't try to push one way or another and always give plenty of info to consider. Thank you!
@semtech30
@semtech30 Жыл бұрын
I've decided this video is spot on. I tried a solid...........Don't do it. I took it right out as the chain clatter worsened especially at Idle. There was no more compensation for the pulses. I had the dealer install a booster spring on the original compensator and that was the ticket to a smoother shifting quieter compensator. 2014 Rushmore edition.
@baristasmaestro2240
@baristasmaestro2240 4 ай бұрын
Ok i understand, but what is your opinion about belt clutch which is not using compensator? And works without problems!!!!
@matthewlidel4324
@matthewlidel4324 Жыл бұрын
I have the man of war comp in my 124 m8 15k or so now of lots of abuse and she still runs strong.
@calgreco8607
@calgreco8607 4 ай бұрын
I'm convinced you are right especially on Twin Cam Softails with the way Harley assembles their crankshaft.
@craigkemmerzell5741
@craigkemmerzell5741 Жыл бұрын
GREAT show 👏 👍
@johnbelculf5441
@johnbelculf5441 Жыл бұрын
LORDY, IN THE FIRST 20 SECONDS I SEE PREMIUMN EQUIPMENT, GOOD FOR YOU AND THE REST OF US THAT LEARN AND GET SERVICED BYE YOUR SHOP. I WISH GREAT BUSINESS FOR YOU.
@0toeknee0
@0toeknee0 Жыл бұрын
here is my experience with the dark horse hybrid comp and an evolution complete stage one clutch basket. 2015 flhp. purchased with 1500 miles. like a fool i caused an issue with the clutch by installing a device to assist with the heavy clutch pull of the flhp. i believe it caused early problems with starting, finding neutral ETC. i installed a DH comp and Evolution complete set up with the billet inner-using blue springs. I had a VERY pronounced neutral rattle. also, some drive line noises until warmed up. after about 1000 miles, to satisfy my OCD, i tore it down to RE-check tolerances and torque specs. while doing so, i damaged the billet inner clutch basket so i ordered their steel one as a replacement (AND THE PROPER CLUTCH TOOL). All tolerances were WAY in spec. this time, I did change the way I installed the Compensator bolt. This time instead of cranking it to spec, I used the method in the manual. You have to season the threads by tq'ing to 100 ft lbs-----back it off and THEN crank it to full spec. (make sure to use a NEW comp bolt!) I even Re-used the same clutch plates. Quiet as a church mouse now. I'm VERY happy with the set up. THE ONLY negative is that at about 2800-3000 rpm, there is a bit of a shutter felt when at steady throttle. this is not from my tune. i'm using a thundermax auto tuner.
@Ky-Alf
@Ky-Alf Жыл бұрын
Kevin good video, I've got a 2008 CVO its my babe of choice, I have 76,842 on the clock I've had to replace the primary chain looked at my compensator there is very little wear. I'm a cruiser rider LD is weekly thing but from day one I changed oil products I'm my bike I contribute that to assisting in reduced friction less wear. I use a fully synthetic oil from Amisol. In all 9 of my bikes. Never had a comp failure.
@rogerkennedy8849
@rogerkennedy8849 Жыл бұрын
What do you think of the baker comp. I have one and seems to work fine. The new shop looks great
@paulhewson4600
@paulhewson4600 Жыл бұрын
What do King of the Baggers normally run for a Comp set up,,I'm sure it varies do to "Sponsership" but in general? Solid,, SE,,Homogenous Comp etc
@jamzholm
@jamzholm Жыл бұрын
I got tired of replacing the stock compensator ( twice in 2500 miles) went to the baker set up and got rid of the stock Harley primary chain adjustment set up and went back to a manual adjustment and have zero issues since. I feel the stock Harley primary adjustment device puts way too much pressure on the primary chain which I feel might be the issue with comp sprockets making noise and failing Harley has to know there is a big issue here when my local Harley dealer keeps plenty of these in stock! Hmmmm…..
@jameswarfield6477
@jameswarfield6477 Жыл бұрын
Could you post a link for the baker setup please? Tia
@schachat01
@schachat01 Жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation on the compensator eliminate debate-totally concur with your views/opinion on the subject👍🏻
@richardboggs260
@richardboggs260 Жыл бұрын
Good to see you making videos again!!
@ChasCrewChief
@ChasCrewChief Жыл бұрын
I am trying this year the Evolution Spring pack. So far I believe it is superior to Factory. Not allowing the ramp assembly to slide as much. I have a performance motor so I will let you know how long this modification last.
@loupuleff571
@loupuleff571 Жыл бұрын
Kevin, good chat on the subject, is there any way to tell if you have a compensator going bad other than tearing into it ?
@kevinblane3211
@kevinblane3211 Жыл бұрын
FYI late forties Indian had compensators to prevent keyed shafts from spinning in the cast iron flywheel Harley borrowed the idea for their cast-iron flywheel in 1955. In the seventies Harley improve the compensators and in the eighties they discovered it was a great idea for spark knock. I worked at a Harley dealer in the early 70s and a old mechanic told me the truth of the compensator some companies have a compensator that copies the 70 style and other companies will copy the shovelhead Sturgis style. My friend George which was in charge of r&d at Talladega inform me they were going to a rubber cush drive in the rear wheel... So why do you need so why do you need a compensator. The main issue on 07 to present is the primary drive speed is greater than the 2006 and earlier
@kevinblane3211
@kevinblane3211 Жыл бұрын
PS.. been wrenching on Harleys since 1963
@VitoVisintini
@VitoVisintini 2 ай бұрын
All stock 2017 Road glide, Clutch Chatters just a bit going in Forth Gear only when cold. Both up and down shifting, even shifting slow and easy. Once it's warm, it never does it again all day. Ever hear of a problem like this? I've asked several dealers, they don't seem to have a clue.
@UncleBS1976
@UncleBS1976 7 ай бұрын
Substituting beer for coffee.but I’m watching and listening. Good info.Thanks
@michaelritchie-ch6ib
@michaelritchie-ch6ib 5 ай бұрын
Quit drinking that garbage! You can go through life without having to be intoxicated 😁
@chicoshovelhead
@chicoshovelhead 6 ай бұрын
Thank you. I got my shovelhead stroker with a non-compensator sprocket 15+ years ago. Everything you said makes perfect sense. I imagine the engine pulses are even worse with a stroked engine. Your well put together video answered a bunch of long lingering questions. My '79 FLH is chain/chain and never cruised as smooth as I would like. Feeling the hard friction somewhere in the drivetrain bugs the crap out of me, I am in the process of swapping transmissions. I have the primary cover off, and when I squeeze the primary chain together the clutch basket moves back and forth considerably. I now am wondering what kind of nightmare I am facing with removing the clutch basket, "It all goes somewhere". I'm afraid I am going to find out where.
@TurboDog73TX
@TurboDog73TX Жыл бұрын
I have heard, and totally believe that quite a few failures of compensators were / are caused by bad riding habits, and NOT just overly aggressive riders, but the crowd that likes to lug their engine. You know, the guys that short shift their bikes, and are heavy on the throttle at sub 3,500 rpms.
@JohnAdams-to5ch
@JohnAdams-to5ch 5 ай бұрын
I guess. If one considers going like hell a bad habit 😄
@waydel1
@waydel1 5 ай бұрын
I have owned over 25 different Harley’s from shovels to M8s, I have never broke or worn out a compensator. Check your riding styles. I ride aggressively but not without thinking about mechanicals going on.
@throttleGod
@throttleGod Жыл бұрын
Good insight - My billet Comp and Evolution Industires New Comp Spring packs are a good match. Compensators are a serviceable item and should be looked at for wear and if worn replace'em. My guess is checking around 10-15k unless sooner is needed for some unforeseen reason.
@scottyboy67
@scottyboy67 Жыл бұрын
Good information. Thanks!
@Twk888
@Twk888 Жыл бұрын
What’s your thoughts on a Primary chain tentioner Manual or Automatic Tentioner ? Thoughts ?
@martincvitkovich724
@martincvitkovich724 Жыл бұрын
manual
@jimscycleandautotn8508
@jimscycleandautotn8508 Жыл бұрын
Hydraulic. Only way to go
@bradwilliams4921
@bradwilliams4921 Жыл бұрын
Compensators are not currently an issue for me but that you for the lesson.
@tomjones4093
@tomjones4093 Жыл бұрын
I have the Darkhorse Comp and the Baker manual adjuster. Andrew at Darkhorse worked with me to get a set up going. I'm now removing the Darkhorse and putting in a SE Comp (the newest addition). I'm tired of the noise, the jerky riding at low RPM, when you get a little chain stretch... you can't find neutral and half the time it won't go into first gear on the first try. I have Head Hoggers built motor (118/123). I'm hoping the SE Comp will make me happy, if not, I'm off to plan C, whatever that might be.
@andrescott534
@andrescott534 8 ай бұрын
@tomjones4093 Any updates on your new SE Comp? I installed a darkhorse comp and believe its too noisy and have all the issues you stated above. Thinking about going to the evolution ramp and new diaphragm springs. Most people like the darkhorse but I'm not sure why. I have an upgrade clutch and basket so that's not the issue. Thanks.
@rodcameron5129
@rodcameron5129 Жыл бұрын
Dark Horse compensator only way to go it's a no-brainer cheers from Oz
@BagpipekilR
@BagpipekilR 8 ай бұрын
Agreed. DHC does make a great product. Ride safe down under brother 🙏
@sallamantia2143
@sallamantia2143 8 ай бұрын
Riding evo,s for 30 years me and my buddies never had a bad comp or noisy one and all running 20 hp or more ?
@sallamantia2143
@sallamantia2143 8 ай бұрын
120 or more
@k.brookhart6052
@k.brookhart6052 Жыл бұрын
Kevin, I will be drag racing a 2002 fxdwg. Compensator Elininator 1st, final chain drive 2nd. Tell me 24 or 25 compensator sprocket
@coldairbuick
@coldairbuick 9 ай бұрын
I agree the Dark Horse unit is a great way to go. I’ve got 2 years on mine with no issues. 2010 Softail Convertible street / strip.
@williamsingleton7036
@williamsingleton7036 Жыл бұрын
I was wondering can you weld the rough side of the compensator an mill it back down,,,,
@joer5057
@joer5057 Жыл бұрын
It's essentially a mechanical fuse. If you repeatedly pop an electrical fuse, you don't jump-wire it. You inspect upstream for what is causing the overload. The same applies here.
@tm-dx7vr
@tm-dx7vr Жыл бұрын
Good evening all (from Cleveland Ohio) I just finished watching the video watching multiple times, I understand that if you are going through compensators like oil filters, there are other problems that need to be addressed first. Right now I have an 02 RoadKing with 100 CI S&S big bore kit, ported heads, and cams, I am happy with the performance and no compensator issues, but like people with old muscle cars, that want an 8-71 blower sticking out of the hood, I am thinking of having an S&S 124 kit installed. One topic that was mentioned, was the fact that people who owned bikes like mine back in the day, were not pushing them that hard, but with updating an 88 to 124, you would basically be rebuilding the entire engine, if everything checked out, and the compensator kept failing, what would be my options besides eliminating it, is it just rebuilding the stock one designed before 07 and upgrading the ramp? This question is driving me crazy, if I owned an 07 or later, just call Darkhorse/Baker and be done with it. Are early twin cams left out of all these upgrades, because they usually don't have any issues? Thanks in advanced, Tom
@skitzdaniel3314
@skitzdaniel3314 8 ай бұрын
You go above and beyond supplier loyalty to your customers. Very much appreciated!!! There are not very many people of your caliber in the world today, right up to our President and government. If our country was run by people of your caliber, this still would be the greatest nation on earth.
@Bannockburn14
@Bannockburn14 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Kevin. I have been doing research into what you just covered in your podcast. I have a 2018 HD Softail deluxe flde and I want to have work done on my primary side ie compensator, clutch etc.
@carlbruhn1772
@carlbruhn1772 Жыл бұрын
Well Said!! Thank you sir.
@eddiealvarez5493
@eddiealvarez5493 Жыл бұрын
Nice info kevin, thank you for your honesty my man! 👊
@tomboone201
@tomboone201 Жыл бұрын
I've pulled or welded up them for many years ... All my shovels were done and I hate new bikes since my twin cam days .. if you know how to ride and don't lug your engine you don't need them
@GoFasterHD
@GoFasterHD Жыл бұрын
Eliminating the comp in most cases will cause some damage sooner or later. Engine , transmission, clutch, i've broke a shaft off a crank, procharged bike. I had to eliminate mine to help starting, my Fuel Tech ECU could not deal with the Harley Comp kick back, you dont have to see it or hear it, for it to be there, but it would loose tooth count and have to start count all over again, making starting very difficult.
@edsmith2562
@edsmith2562 Жыл бұрын
Low rev's in high gears has always been destructive in all big twins. 2 out of 3 riders I see today rack up the gears to 4 th in a 35mph zone running 1,800 to 2,100 rpm, then WOT it to 55 when the mood hits them. The same damage potential is present at touring speeds, when accelerating heavy in 6th, and even 5th just because you make 120 torque at 2,800-3,000. It's your money, hammer the crap out of it, it keeps children fed and looking good in school.
@Evil_Empire42
@Evil_Empire42 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. I really enjoy your videos!
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