Computer Science Graduate Can't Get a Job after 3 Years!

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[@turkyturky6274]

Ive been a SE for 5 years got laid off recently, its hard out there, im barely getting interviews its hard out there right now. My heart goes out to everyone trying don't give up, find some side work in the mean time.

[@mmmmmmmmmm710]

probably because chatgpt Ai can now replace software engineers and these greedy companies dont want to hire anymore?

[@turkyturky6274]

@@mmmmmmmmmm710 chatgpt is good for code templates, bowever it cant solve complicated problems with a lot of moving parts.

[@mmmmmmmmmm710]

@@turkyturky6274 But will ai in general lessen the demand for SE, especially the new comers/entry level positions?

[@turkyturky6274]

@@mmmmmmmmmm710 nah, it optimized my job about 20%. So i dont see SE going anywhere soon.

[@DennisJHarrisonJrHere]

200+ applications, 16 interviews, 12 second interviews, 10 3rd interviews, and 3 offers - over the course of 6 weeks. Worst I've ever seen it.

[@brockobama257]

Graduated June 2023. 700 applications. No prospects. What the fuck am I supposed to do? This is legitimately a useless degree. No one is hiring new grads. In 3 months I'll no longer be a new grad! And I'll actually be the bottom of the barrel, since I'm sure companies would prefer a fresh grad with no experience to an old grad with no experience.

[@depression_plusplus6120]

Whatchu doing bro... I'm in the same exactly same situation here. Some said, you don't know java, get some projects..Fucking did everything they said, and still am here. Doing a SALES job I hate .

[@davidmcinnis154]

I went to networking events. In particular I went to a job fair hosted by my college for recent graduates. That connected me with my current employer.

[@AZ-rg3rf]

Time to learn plumbing bro

[@Atlas018]

Same boat, I can't get out of the hole I find myself in. If you're physically able change vocations. CS is a garbage degree.

[@m1r__]

it's bad for everyone out here. especially young folks. we'll pull through this guys keep grinding 👍

[@nickhuynh6321]

Also as time passes you lose your coding skills and companies know this and always ask about gaps in employments. This is a good reason to take on free projects or come up with something to do on your own. It's not like riding a bike or swimming where you can have long gaps and still ride a bike. You have to constantly be on the grind and code/develop to keep sharp.

[@nhanimaah786]

This !!

[@catharsis222]

Makes me feel good about my gap because that’s all I’m doing (hahaj

[@Franky566]

it is recomended that you leave all dates off of your resume because age based descrimination is a serious issue. They will almost always hire a grad from 20 over a grad from 98.

[@IvyANguyen]

@@Franky566 Luckily in my case I got most of my degrees recently (BA 2023, AS 2021/2022) and most of my work experience is in the distant past. My current job I have had the longest and since it is at a college I attended, I maybe can still count as a 'new grad' for hiring purposes after I'm done the Master's in 2025. Did not work from 2011 to 2016, and held intermittent jobs in 2003 to 2008, so including those on a CV will make me look much older. Do jobs in the US ask for birth date on applications still these days or is it excluded until one is hired?

[@joce7469]

I feel so discouraged and lost. I don't even know where to apply. Everywhere they ask for 3-5 years of experience. I just graduated may 2023. :(

[@StefanMischook]

Watch my videos on how to get your first developer job. Don't worry ... you will get a job if you follow my advice.

[@hamida.1054]

Did you find a job? I am at the same situation right now. I graduated on May 2023, despite applying to 300+ jobs, no luck so far.

[@depression_plusplus6120]

​@@hamida.1054Whatchu doing bro... I'm in the same exactly same situation here. Some said, you don't know java, get some projects..Fucking did everything they said, and still am here. Doing a SALES job I hate .

[@robotinthebrain]

If you are in cyber security, then hack into the CEO computer and if you find smth compromising, send him your terms and conditions 😂 If not then go to work in Mcdonalds 😢 Good luck

[@elitea6070]

Any luck, in the same boat. Seems like all of us here are in a cycle of doom. Wishing you guys the best :)

[@righteousron9570]

Thanks for this advice. I'm looking to get into IT field and this advice is solid. I was just contemplating all of the aforementioned ideas presented.

[@omgmaw]

Hey Stefen thanks for the advice in the video. I had a question about getting employed at a company with startup experience. Currently I work as a full stack developer for this startup without pay but equity. I also have another job to make income, but would this experience that I have gained (1.5 years), can I put this on my resume? I have learned a lot about building front/backend applications, architecture, design patterns etc. I just don’t know if I can use this experience to apply to other companies since I don’t get paid a salary.

[@aaronbarraza740]

I’ve been trying to find work for 6 months as an HR major BBA. I’ve been trying to tweak my resume, and learn from all the rejections of potential employers to improve my knowledge in the hiring process. Honestly, I feel a bit depressed. Going to have to get a job as a line cook in the meanwhile because I just can’t run out of money:/. I enjoy cooking, and have worked in restaurants for a long time. I’ll try again in a few months, but I need some money to get by for now.

[@Codisrocks]

No one cares about your skills or abilities. It's not what you know it's who you blow.

[@crackrokmccaib]

This. You can also get easily hired if you're some type of minority, including being a wiener chopper.

[@Codisrocks]

@@crackrokmccaibI don't think that's a minority. Most people are fake and will do anything to get ahead. Talent doesn't matter.

[@Sam-dc9bg]

​@@crackrokmccaibBeing a minority backfires people people blindly assume "diversity hire" no matter how hard you work, or how high you rise.

[@GT-qv1gl]

​@@crackrokmccaibyeah man, it's the "diversity hires" taking up all the entry level jobs, and totally not the rich nepo kids getting referred by their family members in the same field. FOH

[@29.11plum]

@@crackrokmccaibthats ridiculous. Being a minority has never helped me get a job. I got hired based on my education and experience!

[@ottoblog9208]

I just started studying to become a programmer, its composed of 4 semesters but, kind of expensive and after graduating I do not know if I will get jobs,,, so its very frustrating already,,, would you suggest me to just quick and study by own with cheap online courses and keep trying or, is a degree helps ?

[@rustyspottedcat8885]

Maybe ... and just maybe ... its: "Who you know ... and not what you know" (you can call it "networking" or plain corruption).

[@Landon_Hughes]

Took me 7 years to get a programming job without an undergraduate degree. The trick is to not give up ✊ all you need is 1 job! Not 10, not 5, not 2…just one job.

[@Uchirai]

Hey man, that’s awesome that you finally made it after working for so long. Well done. I’d really appreciate if you could answer a few questions Landon, like how much time did you dedicate per day to teaching yourself how to code and what else were you doing in that period? Were you also working a job while learning to code?

[@Landon_Hughes]

@@Uchirai like 30 minutes to an hour when I first started. You can get competent in 6 months. I worked part time retail jobs for 7 years before getting this job. My problem was adding a bunch of junk to my resume like courses and like “50% JavaScript knowledge”… Now you have chatgpt to use as an ATS and resume coach ✊ not many use it like that though. Missed opportunity

[@azadpedia2845]

Investing 7 years to get one job is definitely not worth, not at all.

[@Landon_Hughes]

@@azadpedia2845 I’ve seen your other comments. I hope your negativity serves you well! ✊ Good luck man

[@azadpedia2845]

@Landon_Hughes good that you have seen. Those are facts, not negativity. Other professionals have much smoother way to get a job after degree, not like this IT scam, which is very unregulated like crypto industry.

[@goonie79]

Look into a sales engineer or customer success manager positions. Those two roles are great fits with that background.

[@benixmaximus]

I was able to get a coding job at 42 after 6 months of online study. For me it was due to my network and soft skills that I was able to translate to coding. I was also able to get my nephew a job as a coder when he was 17 and didn't even finish school and was a self taugt coder. Again, this was due to my network and his attitude. My advice would be that you have to start somewhere. Make apps for free for small businesses, take on jobs from freelancer etc, go see recruiters. Hope that helps

[@Juan-pj9cj]

I’m looking to be self taught, any advice on how/where to start?

[@Destroymaster100]

@@Juan-pj9cj pick a language and look up a solid tutorial on that language in order to learn it. and then study for as long as it takes in order for you to learn it. thats just where to start. theres more to development than just knowing a coding language.

[@ngndnd]

i would do freelance but ive never had any professional/real life experience and ive never had a mentor. University professors dont count because they just teach the bare minimum, not how to actually make real shit

[@daysofgrace2934]

I just went to a recruitment agancy, I knew C, VB 3.5 and SQL got temp jobs to help projects that were just start or coming to a close. A couple months here, a couple of months there…

[@muhammadrafique1980]

I misunderstood the title, I thought he is saying that there will be no job for CS degree holders in next three years AI will replace programmers.

[@danlaratta]

Been two years and hundreds of applications since getting my masters degree in computer science, still nothing for me.

[@KelsieRyder-qe2jz]

Omg same

[@moneytime1556]

Dang I thought if you had a masters it be easy and I only got a associate degree.

[@kazuya238]

Omg that sounds tough, I’m currently a senior in high school and I’m planning to major in cs. Should I switch to a different major or keep going?

[@karl4813]

Here in Scandinavia (Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark) you need both degree and personal side projects to get hired, especially right now. Without degree the biggest firms with the best pay (100k +/yr) simply wont hire you no matter what experience you have and the rest of the mid-size and start up companies only hire people without degree if they are extremely talented doing open source contribution (to even do this requires skill from many years experience), have created their own live webapp app and scaled it with thousands of users, or if they are lucky and know someone from within the company who takes them in. It's basically harder than just getting the degree itself. Now IF you have the degree, you only need a couple side projects to show some surface lvl knowledge of the relevant technology(React for front-end etc.) and then they will invest in you, it's much simpler than trying to become some wizard at JS or something.

[@Ali-1A295]

The degree must be in CS or for example EE degree could be good to

[@karl4813]

@@Ali-1A295 usually it has to be CS, but if you have a general engineering degree you can compensate by doing more personal projects and being better at the craft itself, but you don't need any crazy open source stuff or anything like that still though

[@rookie549]

Ye I live in Sweden and I agree. The job market is terrible for aspiring developers. Usually you have to know someone in the company to get a foot in the door or if you get lucky and get in through a trainee program.

[@karl4813]

@@rookie549 even with degree? usually or just right now after the tech-recession? Here in Norway you can still get a developer job but you need a degree and good grades and a little bit of knowledge of the company's tech stack.

[@Ali-1A295]

@@karl4813 thanks for your answer I am currently in my last year and I will do after this a master in web development I hope that this well be good to me in this field beside my self study

[@sirgregoryadams]

I don't know if this still works in today's market, but maybe it's easier to start by getting a job that isn't "software development" specifically but involves enough coding to count as practical experience. As an example, companies might be interested in hiring people for 3rd-level Support, or System Administrator roles, where people end up developing their own internal toolset. And if instead of a mess of 2000 shell scripts, it's a well-structured suite of in-house developed applications, they're not going to say no to that. That would at least somewhat address the "how do I get experience without already having experience" problem while also not working for free and being able to afford luxuries such as... food.

[@Heyim18bro]

I've followed up with people who didn't hire me after an interview and every single time (probably half a dozen now) I get no response at all. And these were with positions at pretty reputable companies, so I don't think that advice really helps in this day & age

[@burburchacha]

Probably because they don't want to risk being sued. Some companies can be awful.

[@romeprince11]

How is it a risk to hire a new graduate? Logically that statement makes no sense. The fact that you have graduated with a degree shows you are capable of learning, passing examinations, meeting deadlines, working on a team etc. There is no risk to training someone, you are not training them like teaching them how code works..... you are training them to follow your companies standards and procedures. Not to mention that hiring a junior means paying low and getting someone to learn things the way your company wants them to. Then developing this junior hire into a associate and eventually a senior in the company. The fact is that there is clearly a shortage of jobs right now and a workforce that is too big in the computer science industry to support fresh graduates. So most jobs have over 50 applicants on average. If just 1 of those people have more experience, you basically aren't getting hired. If all 50 have the same amount of experience, then they start filtering people based on all sorts of preferences. Companies are not supposed to be racist or against specific things, but they can and that's why they ask for people to list their gender, race etc. They obviously filter out certain attributes that the hiring manager doesn't like. So if the hiring manager is racist towards all white people, then you will probably get an automatic rejection for putting white as your race. You will never know, you will never be able to prove it either. Another thing that's happening right now is nepotism and hiring friends/family of current employees. Without someone directly helping you get a job, it seems like it's nearly impossible right now as a fresh graduate with no experience. Unless you have a perfect resume and are going above and beyond the requirements like getting certifications on your own time and having past internships..... you will most likely not be hired now.

[@elir.torres8642]

This right here the amounts of racism that I get to my face while other white students that graduated with are getting jobs right after graduation with "0" experience. So, I discriminate right back.

[@mahjoubadam1742]

Disagree HEAVILEY, especially in a field like CompSci where there are way more idiots and dumbasses who are in it just for the money, unless you are a HYPSM or a top college graduate, having a CS degree doesn't say jack shit about your learning capability and growth mindset. Plenty of the seniors I used to know in college were complete buffoons and can barely write code. And that's the reality for most CS graduates. That's why companies have been getting stricter and stricter on their hiring policies. Training a junior is a lot harder and way more costly than you think. Let's be honest for the first 6 months to 1 year, you are gonna be completely useless. The only thing you will be able to do is learn while the senior above you slaps you around even though he can pretty much do your job with no issue. So the company is losing money taking time from a capable person to teach you the job and is giving you a salary to just do menial tasks with no value. So think about it. In such a field where so many freshies are dumb and incapable and it's basically a money furnace to hire even the most brilliant of juniors. Why the hell would any company take the risk while there are 100s if not 1000s of seniors who are fully capable and can get to making value for the company almost instantly

[@minxili3317]

Training? LOL where have you been? Companies have horrible training these days and don't want to invest in proper training so sure there is training but it's half assed. This is true for all white collar office jobs.

[@kurisu3000]

Fell for the IT meme

[@basicprogrammer6147]

It's because there's almost nothing new left to program anymore. The only jobs in tech are maintenance of existing software and making pretty presentations. I have mad skills in BASIC (a DOS based programming language). I can process data like nobody's business. And it is very tough for me to find new clients and work.

[@Codisrocks]

BASIC predates DOS by a good stretch...

[@basicprogrammer6147]

@@Codisrocks I wish I could go back in time sometimes.

[@raul36]

Maybe there isn't much left to program at your level. At high levels, there is still a lot, a lot to do.

[@awakenedone7577]

wtf basic is so old, barely any one uses it anymore

[@peovbenjamin9006]

B.S. IT with Magna Cum Laude, 4 years +, No Job whatsoever. Other degrees too for at least 25 years + , No job whatsoever, No hope. May die in despair 😞.

[@musicandpoetry_8]

Not working at any job?

[@joecater894]

i think what should happen is a special apprentice dev course should be available.. any company can be a provider if they can agree to be assessed.. and when they successfully bring a student through to completion and they pass.. for ten years they become the agent of the dev.. and any other dev company that utilises those skills that wants to hire them has to pay 5% extra to the original training provider company that has provided the dev 2 years job training and a small living salary for that time. This could motivate companies to train new dev / skills as they know that on average they will be reimbursed.. and it ensures the whole industry share the cost of training new devs .. Just an idea.. you might think companies would avoid hiring from the program.. but companies pay agency fees often anyway.. and in any case, they'd likely have to pay more for a dev with established work based skills anyway. As far as I can see.

[@girijyanmurugathas3896]

Do you know the name of the of the special apprentice dev course?

[@SuperMakoto13]

I believe this is symptomatic of a broader problem of lack of good jobs for properly trained people. I agree with a lot uncle Stef says but there’s more going on out there and I think AI may have somewhat to do with it.

[@tabathia7633]

This is scary fact, that I hope I don't go through. But, I haven't graduated yet. I'm applying today for internship. So, I will see.

[@Comedy-xg9ij]

hi,Have you get a internship untill now

[@tabathia7633]

Well, this is 2024, and I cannot go back into school until this fall, that means grant cannot happen until this time. internship is sometime all-together different. Dont' wait for internship for computer work, for it I go into businesses in person, and ask , do you have a web site? So, far five out of five said NO. get a bus card, intro yourself, talk a little in a friendy tone, find out the owners name or the connection. Go home ad make a nice web site. from their card. @@Comedy-xg9ij 😊😊I love computer busines. I don't have a car, everything is by foot and bus. But, that will soon change.

[@vitalyl1327]

Meanwhile, it's insanely hard to find a competent developer. How can it be both hard for developers to find a job and for companies to find developers?

[@gamera7206]

It's not so much about things that are in your control unfortunately. I know that people are doing things wrong but right now it's impossible for recent graduates to find jobs. Software development became mainstream and capital flowed through the labor market from the venture capitalists, everybody went for the job, then the bubble burst and the investors took their money, now nobody can find a job. Same happened with the oil industry in 2014, with the IT industry in 2001 etc

[@KelsieRyder-qe2jz]

Same graduated 4 years ago computer science can’t find a job not even Starbucks will hire me

[@user-iu3xp5be1o]

god damn that sucks. I really hope everything is fine.

[@omgmaw]

Dude sorry to hear that, but you had so many chances 4 years ago to get employed. The market was booming around that time.

[@Zaph_Kiel]

😆 3 years? I've been trying for 12.

[@sandeeptiwari7157]

What do you mean??

[@tonydang3857]

Lol

[@floatingfortress721]

It's been two years for me 😔

[@Miles-co5xm]

This is really weird, I don't have a degree, ugly resume, suck st dsa, don't know what system design is, no experience, age 19, but still get selected wherever I give the interview and manage to get good enough package

[@elir.torres8642]

You white?

[@crackrokmccaib]

​@@elir.torres8642Probably not. If he is white, probably is either gay or trans or some other bullshit communist thing. Companies have raging boners for hiring unskilled minorities to say how inclusive they are and smell their own farts. Then have the few skilled people pull all the slack.

[@Littlejonjontheking]

"The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right, greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit."

[@gabrielex]

Companies rightfully don't care much about your degree in CS, having the right experience and certifications is way more relevant and useful, more than a CS degree. Get Red Hat certified, get AWS certified, CompTIA, Cisco, Google, Microsoft, etc. Get something to show that is not just a degree but something tangible and practical, show them some project you did that has some practical impact.

[@cloakde7155]

@@Destroymaster100 Thats wild

[@elg281]

Don't take much to get a degree. A job on the other hand takes a bit of independence and survival skills in any field.

[@RoninX33]

I have several degrees, my first SW job was luck and networking.

[@arthurfromcamelot9958]

That's probably because your degree is really not a big deal. It depends on the uni: here in Germany in takes A LOT do get a proper Cs degree ( if your uni not a shithole) as usually about 70% are simply kicked off. So not ,good degree is a lot of work and does worth it. What really doesn't worth a shit are this Boot-Camps. It is a good thing that such "specialists" do stay overboard ,finally. It is the same thing as every other professional field : law,medicine etc. Why the hell should anyone even consider to hire some uneducated dude after a "quickie" with a Bootcamp ?

[@RoninX33]

@@arthurfromcamelot9958 I swear half of the boot camps over here are scams.

[@melissam6037]

Getting a CS degree was really hard work, it practically took a chunk out of my soul.

[@user-pe9qg3hg3k]

I studied full time while working full time and raising a family. It may not take much when it's the only thing you're doing, but when you're doing other things of equal if not greater perceived importance in that moment, it does take a lot

[@javiersaenz1040]

Companies are greedy and cheap they can afford to train new employees.

[@yass3lon]

I could not agree more!

[@mmmar7317]

Do you even code?

[@StefanMischook]

For many, many years.

[@MindMellowAI]

why are you assuming im not already doing the aforementioned things you already mentioned aka freelancing, spending 12 hours a day leetcoding and so on, your boomer and age is showing, we gotta work 10x harder bow a days and be paid peanuts compared to u back in ur day

[@KelsieRyder-qe2jz]

Ok zoomer 😂

[@el-savage2004]

Wtf I just got admission

[@digishabi]

It's harder to fit in when you get older , any suggestions?

[@StefanMischook]

Hmmm … learn good interpersonal skills, become super valuable and useful to others, and get in shape.

[@digishabi]

@@StefanMischook really I tried freelancing and it's hard to manage🤠

[@StefanMischook]

@@digishabi ... Yea, it takes time to learn.

[@digishabi]

@@StefanMischook thank you for your positive energy 💫😀

[@basicprogrammer6147]

Lose weight. Learn to live off of beans and cereal, some vegs, a piece of fruit, a little meat, and a bowl of ice cream. This world needs a Universal Basic Income.

[@Atlas018]

Could be companies now only want trained people and are unwilling/unable to train new comers. Screw 'em, CS degree is toliet paper. They don't take anyone unless you're 'Trained." How you get training, join military if you're able. This is the only experience they seem to respect. This video is trash. It only touching the surface without any digging. Companies are the problem not someone who gets the degree and are applying to what's applicable.

[@guinmccain2762]

3 years no job?? impossible.

[@StefanMischook]

There is definitely something going on there.

[@cyndaguy]

going on 3 years here, it's the plain reality of the market rn. better to flip burgers than to learn calculus

[@scorber23]

A I

[@computernerd8157]

Even before AI it was like this lol. Companies just dont want to train you, but ironically expect undeying loyalty. Well, It is what it is, going to work in making my LLc profitable because you basically have to start your own DBA to get a job.