Lucy, I saw vid on CS vs MIS… Is there any ageism in field of MIS in hiring (similar to CS)? Is it very bad? What can you do to stay ahead of new tech??
@mohamedh98072 жыл бұрын
Both degrees gets you the exact same job, but information systems seems a little more flexible or rather versatile if one wishes to change careers in the future
@nobody_8_12 жыл бұрын
I disagree. Cyber security experts get all the real tech. jobs now since they can disrupt, interfere and hack everybodys' personal systems and get away with it, irrespective of the laws and citizen rights. Of course, except if it is a toxic work environment that is in denial, then an IS professional is likely to be underpaid and wrecklessly taken advantage of.
@JustMamba2 жыл бұрын
I would argue it's the other way around. Cs is alot more flexible when it comes to jobs. Alot of people in management positions at these tech companies hold cs degrees. They're both good but cs is more flexible. Do a quick search for jobs for both degrees or do some research........ atleast in the U.S.
@nobody_8_12 жыл бұрын
@@JustMamba In Australia, it comes down to "Mates" and elite suburbs. That's it. Nothing more - not how hard you've worked or merit etc. Also, from my experience just because people have degrees doesn't neccessarily mean they well intentioned either.
@nycto162 жыл бұрын
@@JustMamba In my view, IS is more flexible because overall business degrees are flexible more than any degree. With IS you can go in both tech and management. I disagree with you management positions thing, management positions are filled with business grads (IS). Product managers, Tech consultants, Systems managers have background in IS mostly.
@Ash-uf4fv2 жыл бұрын
@@JustMamba IS is more flexible, cmon now. HOWEVER, CS majors will have an advantage when going for more programming heavy jobs, obviously.
@KaroCodes3 жыл бұрын
My first KZbin collab was so much fun! Thanks Lucy for coming over! 🎉 Hands up who's here from Lucy's channel? 🖐️
@TechwithLucy3 жыл бұрын
Here from Lucy’s channel! 👋😂
@KaroCodes3 жыл бұрын
@@TechwithLucy hahaha unexpected! 🤣
@VictorFang3 жыл бұрын
Hello 👋 Great vid :)
@joshual92266 ай бұрын
Great video! Two years into my info systems degree, my uni offers an emphasis for it in either web development, cybersecurity, or data engineering. Great degree in my opinion as someone who is business minded but also really into coding/tech.
@takethepillingodwetrust15106 ай бұрын
I might go IS but at my school it’s not that technical 😢 so a lot of self study outside
@samg98095 ай бұрын
@@takethepillingodwetrust1510 if its your dream to study it go for it! everyone is capable as long as they work hard and give their best to achieve their dreams :)
@psorek1393 жыл бұрын
The wall behind you two is seriously underrated!
@KaroCodes3 жыл бұрын
Thanks 😍 I call it 'propagation station' because most of my plants start their life here (good light, close to the window) 🪴
@sbstorage953 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the candid and very insightful chat! Knowing accounting and economics is definitely a great benefit 😃
@cabraham972 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video y’all!
@charlesedward41142 жыл бұрын
I have study in in my high school computer science and biology and I did advance certificate in Automated information system and I work with it in deference origination supervising and managing the Automated information system it is really very important Department I really appreciated and for more explain abut the both tow field . Thanks
@karlenegreene2118 Жыл бұрын
Whats the difference between computer information systems and information systems management. Is it the same thing??
@homosapien.a63643 жыл бұрын
i wanted to major in Computer science but they said your SAT exam is was a piece of sh't so they gave me Information system and i wasn't positive about it be you guys made me feel it's a good and interesting major thanks for the video🥺✨❤️
@YEDxFILMS3 жыл бұрын
🤨 could’ve taken community college classes with a free accuplacer exam to get you into the major you want
@1mol8312 жыл бұрын
I’ll just go bank on one of those weird masters that combines robotics, computer, information, civil engineering, mechatronics and statistics into some kind of mashed potatoes.
@Blackandgifted2 жыл бұрын
How’s your journey going now?
@jathebest28352 жыл бұрын
So..what's going on these days🙂
@jolaiyaakinwale47729 ай бұрын
how is it going now i was given information system too this year
@rodrigo-59672 жыл бұрын
Hey! I´m a student of engineering and management of information systems and I can say that I acttualy code a lot. In the first year we had a whole semester to learn deeply about data structures and algorithms in C (the final project was to make sort of an App for a bank) and we had a class where we learned MIPS assembly (dont know why mips but it was pretty fun) along with economy and introduction to business management. In the second year we have a whole semester to learn about Databases using SQL and NoSQL, we also learn Java and Networks along with accounting classes and classes for planning huge projects and in the third year (and most exciting year) we have introduction to artificial intelligence and web development (using frameworks and web apps, Im not in the third year so I dont know which frameworks we are gonna use) along with classes for logistics and distributed systems. Overall my experience has been great but like they said it depends ALOT on the university.
@KaroCodes2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing! 😊
@amalsoorya11752 жыл бұрын
Which uni are u studying at?
@rodrigo-59672 жыл бұрын
@@amalsoorya1175 I' m not from the US, Im from Portugal tho
@adyan54532 жыл бұрын
How much did your uni expect you to know beforehand? I've never explored coding but would like to pursue information systems
@amarilistheodore91563 ай бұрын
@@adyan5453they will teach from bits😂😂😂
@arushigupta83992 жыл бұрын
ive been between these 2 for a long time, thank you sm for this video!!!
@kennygunderman3 жыл бұрын
Awesome collab 🤘🤘
@KaroCodes3 жыл бұрын
Oh wow Kenny you're here! 😯 Thanks! 😊
@SteveCatLover2 жыл бұрын
What’s your thoughts on good minors to compliment an information systems degree? What about computer science?
@KaroCodes2 жыл бұрын
Computer Science or Software Engineering :)
@edwinfrancisco81162 жыл бұрын
I’m worried about Information system solely bc of coding, but I’m determined to learn. Is there any advice for someone who knows nothing about coding.
@KaroCodes2 жыл бұрын
There's heaps of online tutorials for beginners - just go through a couple of them and you'll see if it's something you like. If you get the basics right you will feel more comfortable exploring further. I advise everyone who wants to study anything programming-related to learn basic coding before they go to uni (otherwise you might end up with big disappointment, lost time and money).
@bizzvid42042 жыл бұрын
I don't have any interest in technology but information systems sounds interesting. I am myself studying business administration and we take classes in technology and also we have a class called management information systems. My uni doesn't offer specialization in it but some unis do, btwn I will specialize in banking and finance.
@nathanschreck89613 жыл бұрын
Hey I know there is MIS. More managing people is it possible to become a project manager or. Have a management position with a IS degree. What are some pros and cons trying to get into a management position with a IS vs someone with a MIS?
@YEDxFILMS3 жыл бұрын
For startup companies, of course but for well established companies, you’re going to have to pay your dues.
@user-xy2ly4uz6p8 ай бұрын
MIS and IS are virtually the exact same degree. No difference whatsoever. Just dif colleges use different names
@mohanchhetri28572 жыл бұрын
can we become software engineer or software developer with Information system degree/ after graduation please reply......
@KaroCodes2 жыл бұрын
Yes, just make sure to create couple of coding projects while you're studying and upload them to GitHub so that you get to display some additional experience related to programming :) it can be personal website, social media bots, any type of a tool that's useful for your other hobbies etc.
@christophershanklin1122 жыл бұрын
Did you do any internships ?
@dunkiesan2 жыл бұрын
@@KaroCodes woww, ty, I'm happy IS is a good degree 😊
@Jeremiahking1013 жыл бұрын
Im a Junior CIS major. We mostly program with HTML, JS, and Python 3.
@hueyo53173 жыл бұрын
I bet it’s better than Java huh
@Jeremiahking1013 жыл бұрын
@@hueyo5317 By far
@hugodaniel89752 жыл бұрын
Im black but i want to be a programmer 😢
@Jeremiahking1012 жыл бұрын
@@hugodaniel8975 Being black doesnt mean you cant be a programmer? My classes are filled with people of all types of color and ethnic groups.
@kidalovelace2 жыл бұрын
Have you graduated? What job did you get or looking to get with your degree? Also how did employers feel about your degree versus a CS degree? I would like to be a web developer w/o the stress that CS majors have. Ofc I plan to do side studies to compliment the degree though.
@ManMadeMoon3 жыл бұрын
Hey Karo! I just wanted to say thanks a lot! 🙏In a previous video you told me to check out the secret lab omega chair for someone 5ft 6. I have to say it’s an incredible chair. Perfect for my height. Let me just say it’s a GAME CHANGER. I can finally code and do my homework without neck and back pain. Keep up the great content! And chair recommendations 😂. ❤️
@KaroCodes3 жыл бұрын
Yay that's amazing! I'm happy it's such a good fit for you 🎉😊
@svallone77252 жыл бұрын
Is there ageism in either field of MIS or CS in hiring? Which is worst???? What can you do to stay ahead of new tech???
@KaroCodes2 жыл бұрын
It's difficult to say but I can share what I observed in tech product companies, software houses and FAANG (so mainly CS): - majority of all engineers are in their 20s ans 30s - there's a lot of people in their 40s, most managers fall in that age bracket - there's not many people in their 50s but that might be due to how young the industry is and that there's just not that many engineers that age OR that they are all already retired which is completely achievable with tech salaries - there's many more 50+ ppl in FAANG/Microsoft than anywhere else Hope that helps 🙏 you can check Lucy's channel for info about MIS :)
@svallone77252 жыл бұрын
@@KaroCodes thank you, good stuff…
@saltNpepper9522 жыл бұрын
Im in a computer science major (bscs-cse) but its kind of a mix between computer engineering as well. I am thinking of shifting to bs information systems because i feel like the course i am in will take me so long to finish, and i honestly can't afford staying too long in uni. If the jobs n careers after graduation r relatively the same, then will it make sense for me to shift now?
@KaroCodes2 жыл бұрын
I'd suggest majoring in whatever is closer aligned to the career you want in the future and picking up a part-time job while studying. If you wanna be a software engineer or anything more specialised (data scientist, graphics engineer etc) CS is gonna be worth that time investment for the sake of deep understanding of the domain 😊
@joaopedrodaniell Жыл бұрын
@@KaroCodes I'm Brazilian and at my university the bachelor's degree in information systems is 90% computer science and only 10% business. Do you think companies in Australia might not hire me because of the name of the degree? Since I'm going to learn almost everything that computer science students are going to. Here in Brazil I know that companies dont care if youre gradueted in computer science or information systems, people know that information systems is very similar to computer science and teach many technical things too (in databases information systems students see even more than computer science students for example), but I don't know how they see it outside Brazil.
@muchammadthohariakbar63855 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing this. This year I have a plan to take uni because currently I am self taught programmer, in some point I want to take related major with my Job. I think I will take Information system
@amanueltesfay67362 ай бұрын
great explanation love it i was confused where to get in but after watching this vid u make me understand what should i learn and i decided to choose computer science
@TheHridzdiariesАй бұрын
This was so helpful and informative! I will be studying interaction design at university but I have an option to double major in anything from a broad list of majors (basically can study either of business info systems / comp sci). However I have no experience of coding but I’m definitely trying to understand the fundamentals rn before uni starts!
@ailingsoh29573 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the information!!
@gardenbytheshore3 жыл бұрын
I don't know why I'm watching this - I don't even do Tech 😂
@theethicalhacker72713 жыл бұрын
These ladies work well together
@KevinGarcia-yb1oq2 жыл бұрын
Thank you both for posting this video. It was extremely informative. I'm a new Dental Hygienist and I'm having some issues with seeing this as a long term career. Working in Computer science, do you see yourself working heavily alongside a team, or is it mostly individual task that you perform?
@KaroCodes2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad the video was helpful! In my job I'd say you can really choose what direction you wanna go - either more on the solo path or more team-oriented. I've been working as an engineering manager for the last few years and that's very heavily team oriented. I still spend probably half of my time alone, working on strategy, technical spikes, visions, code reviews etc but definitely have to interact with the team a lot on a daily basis and spend a lot of time in meetings too. On the other hand, my friend with the same years of experience chose an Individual Contributor path and she basically works alone unless she needs help or is giving help to others. You can also become a freelancer and just talk to clients without a need for a team. Really, after CS, you can do whatever suits you in that regard 😊
@AkashicLink2 жыл бұрын
do you think an associates degree in CIS is inadequate to help enter the work force? is is critical to finish with a bachelors?
@KaroCodes2 жыл бұрын
Bachelor's definitely helps to get a job in some of the more conservative companies but the general trend right now is to remove education requirements altogether. So it's more about the side projects and experience than it is about a diploma.
@richieomorhienrhien9855 Жыл бұрын
Is computer information systems also management information systems?
@user-xy2ly4uz6p8 ай бұрын
Yes
@katellynahuatl27652 жыл бұрын
im pursing CIS, do you think marketing is a good minor to combine it with!?? i really do enjoy the marketing side too
@KaroCodes2 жыл бұрын
If you enjoy marketing then minoring in it might make a really unique and valuable combination of skills 😁 It would also be quite useful if you're planning to be a freelancer or start your own company 👌
@unstoppable42723 жыл бұрын
Thanks... karo & lucy ❤ this video helped me.. Which programming language should i start at very first plzzzzz tell me..? as a beginner.. 🙁
@KaroCodes3 жыл бұрын
If you don't want to get discouraged too quickly: python If you want to get great foundations: C If you want to get into making webapps asap: JavaScript
@unstoppable42723 жыл бұрын
@@KaroCodes okay...thank u very much ❤
@robertnyc3573 жыл бұрын
@@KaroCodes You think that there is a point in learning C or C++ in the world where Rust exists?
@KaroCodes3 жыл бұрын
@@robertnyc357 I believe so :) The truth is most of the currently existing highly performing applications are written in C. Thousands of libraries are written in C. Operating systems, microcontrollers even Bitcoin's blockchain - all C. I think everyone should be familiar with C, understand memory allocation, pointers etc and C is great to (be forced to) learn that 😅
@robertnyc3573 жыл бұрын
@@KaroCodes I'm not a programmer, but I can say that I don't like that argument that something (i. e. programming language) is good because it is popular and common. In medieval, 100% of things were written in Latin but people decided that it is worth to switch to their countries languages. Microsoft already announced that they are starting to replace C and C++ with Rust in 2019: analyticsindiamag.com/why-microsoft-is-dumping-c-c-for-this-new-programming-language/ Rust does not allow to make most of errors related with pointers or memory allocation, so I think it is better to have certainity that one will not make a mistake than to learn how not to make or repair that mistake. A lot of already existing programs and libraries are not the advantage of a language, they are advantages of using a language. By the way, when I ask people about advantages of Java, they also give popularity as the biggest (or the only) advantage in 99% cases :) Best wishes.
@Just_iain9 ай бұрын
I know the video is old but it’d appreciate if you got back to me. I’m currently considering enrolling in an Information Systems program, and I wanted to get your thoughts on whether it would be sufficient for diving into natural language processing and AI. The program covers a range of topics including programming languages like Python and Java, database management systems, system analysis and design, and even dedicated courses on artificial intelligence and expert systems. Do you think these courses would provide a solid foundation for someone interested in natural language processing and AI? I value your expertise and would love to hear your insights on this.
@kylasalvadoradumlao32613 жыл бұрын
Thank youuuu so much for this!!♡
@ridwan3709 Жыл бұрын
Then what is difference between data sciences and telecommunication engineering. Damn in my country all of this tech majors exist, and it is confusing in choosing for college. Electrical engineers, computer/hardware engineering, computer science, information system, telecommunication, data sciences. Sp many different field going separate now
@rubenduarte50243 жыл бұрын
how demanding is an MIS career? what does the work-life balance look like?
@KaroCodes3 жыл бұрын
Generally any technical subspecialty (probably excluding gamedev) would have jobs available on the whole spectrum from perfect work-life balance and demanding just enough to provide healthy challenge to "I have no personal life". It usually depends on the company (sometimes country) you are looking at. I'd say have a look at Glassdoor company reviews for companies that hire MIS specialists.
@tarang6432 жыл бұрын
Hey ! Thanks for such an informative video. My question is that i completed my high school diploma in commerce but i didn't have maths in my subject combination, Only accountancy, economics, business studies, etc. I am interested in taking up bsc in business informatics. I am worried if i am eligibile at all in the first place because i didn't study maths in my high school. What do you think about it?
@KaroCodes2 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure what exactly are the requirements in your country but I also didn't study maths in high school and it wasn't a problem 😊 we had end-of-HS tests and I did the advanced maths one (i was preparing for it in my spare time by just solving problems from a few books). So hopefully that will be possible for you too! 😀
@tarang6432 жыл бұрын
@@KaroCodes thanks for answering 😊 I am trying to seek admission in german universities. They don't have a specific criteria stating maths to be compulsory but i fear getting rejected just because of that . Because i have a year with me i want to be cautious about it.
@KaroCodes2 жыл бұрын
@@tarang643 oh I see! Is there any chance you could talk to someone from the universities you are looking at to get more information and reassurance? They usually have some kind of open days when they answer questions from potential candidates:)
@tarang6432 жыл бұрын
@@KaroCodes yes i have mailed the student services ... hoping to get quality replies soon. 🤞
@KaroCodes2 жыл бұрын
@@tarang643 🤞🤞
@ashen10133 жыл бұрын
Very informative and i've interest about computer science. Do you live in norway :D
@KaroCodes3 жыл бұрын
Not anymore 😅 Australia since 2018! 🙃
@maximusranderson87602 жыл бұрын
Hello, Mrs. Luci, and Karo. Appreciate your effort, making this video, I would like to ask you some quick question. I wonder if it's possible to become a data scientist, having a bachelor degree in IS, or is it more flexible and reasonable to have a CS degree to become a data scientist? Thank you :)
@KaroCodes2 жыл бұрын
100% for CS if you wanna be a data scientist :)
@IngeniumStateOfMind23 күн бұрын
Im taking Physics , AP maths,Chem and bio .can I still apply for information systems?
@tuna82503 жыл бұрын
Is it easy to do masters in CS after graduating from MIS?
@KaroCodes3 жыл бұрын
You might have some gaps that you need to cover before applying for master's (or do some more self-learning while doing masters - depends if you need to pass any entry exam). Best way to check is to see what your uni of choice covers for MIS and then see what the requirements are for CS and start filling the gaps in your spare time as soon as possible.
@anonymouslanka6 күн бұрын
Can I be a Cloud Solution Architect through information systems degree.
@DanielCruz-vb9mj2 жыл бұрын
Helloo not sure if you’ll still reply but would it be smart to Major in Information Systems and Minor in Computer Science?
@KaroCodes2 жыл бұрын
If you are sure you will be able to focus on both then yeah. There will probably be a lot of overlap anyway.
@elle-fw5lp2 жыл бұрын
is Information Systems and Management Information Systems the same course?
@nathalielam30452 жыл бұрын
I have the same question
@armari_thegreat46942 жыл бұрын
@@nathalielam3045 have you figured this out yet ?
@yoda5389 Жыл бұрын
@@armari_thegreat4694 yes
@rahulp466 Жыл бұрын
Hi. I am thinking of doing computer science at university. I have severe stammering issue so I am looking for a good career where I do not have to verbally communicate a lot with clients. Do you reckon computer science degree would be suitable for me as a person who stammers? Thanks 😊
@keithsamuek82683 жыл бұрын
I see that Avalon box in the background Nice
@nayemMmm2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Can you please tell me which one is better for getting a job after undergraduate. Business administration(general) or Information System?
@JustMamba2 жыл бұрын
Information system hands down. Usually Information systems is a concentration when getting a bachleors in business administration. M.i.S and C.I.S are both buisness administration degrees.
@nycto162 жыл бұрын
It depends on your career goals. Information Systems just focuses on computer/tech stuff but when you pursue business administration it will open many doors during specialization like Finance, Marketing or Supply Chain etc.
@NuttyPostsShorts3 жыл бұрын
With a computer science degree, can you also do jobs like people with an IT degree? like banking, administration, working for a company near you, everything like that not just online?
@OH-vh6vi3 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@YEDxFILMS3 жыл бұрын
With a computer science degree, you can practically do ANYTHING in this world where you can demonstrate an ability to do it. The major is rigorous and difficult and forces you to be creative and analytical. Therefore, if you could prove your ability to do so, you’d get hired on as a damn art director somewhere lol
@bizzvid42042 жыл бұрын
No, you can't go in administration or banking they are totally different. For administration or banking, business/finance degree is required. MIS/IS is mix of tech and business but not CS.
@JustMamba2 жыл бұрын
@@bizzvid4204 the math skills and analytical stuff transfers over to banking. You can literally do anything with a computer science degree and yes administration as well. Any job you can do with a mis degree you can get with a cs degree but it's not always the same the other way.. You'll have to get some certificates or some projects to get into some of the software engineering jobs that a cs major can get.
@christophershanklin1122 жыл бұрын
@@JustMamba you said that backwards.You don’t have to get certifications with either degree.They are interchangeable degrees the only difference is CIS is a minor in business and Major in computer science.That’s basically what it is with less math than a traditional Computer science degree
@benardmucunguzi Жыл бұрын
With a bachelor's in is can i work in places like banks more finance institutions
@rib49193 жыл бұрын
Hey Karol, i'm not from USA, so I still have a doubt about the job market there. About the degree discussed in video, which one is more ''accepted'' in relation to hiring? I need to choose my college (here in Brazil) and your opinion will help me a lot Thank you very much for your attention
@KaroCodes3 жыл бұрын
Hi Wallison, I'm not from US either, both Lucy and I are located in Australia :) Pick your degree by choosing what you want to do more - both degrees give excellent job opportunities!
@AA-hh7fu3 жыл бұрын
Boss made a first Impression CV resume with your graduation BB-IS It is good in computer to make strong profile. I have a graduation degree Bachelor of business in information system (BBIS) batch of 2016-2020. Can I still to get into my job as a data entry operator? The appointment will be process of government job office at information technology board. I'm deaf. I can easily and search for job position data entry (operator).
@bizzvid42042 жыл бұрын
Hey Areeb, why are you looking for data entry operator? It means you will waste your degree. With BB-IS you can become a project manager, IT specialist, systems manager, database administrator etc.
@justtadiwa3 жыл бұрын
would it be a good idea to double major in CS and IS?
@KaroCodes3 жыл бұрын
There would probably be a lot of overlap so that you can get two degrees but not necessarily have to put twice the effort. I guess it depends why you'd like to do that? - It wouldn't really add anything to your CV, one of those degrees is enough and employers would look more favourably on more work experience than additional education. - If it's purely to learn more then I think one is enough and you can very easily learn everything from the other one in your spare time just from the internet.
@justtadiwa3 жыл бұрын
thank you for the insight 🤍
@rbrojas20403 жыл бұрын
Java us also the main language we learn at my uni. :')
@jeanchery72467 ай бұрын
What are some. examples of information system?
@SmitPatel-tj3uc9 ай бұрын
I want to go for database I am Freshman in cis bachelor So whar minor should i take ?? Maths or business??
@nobody_8_1 Жыл бұрын
Yes, don't do a Bachelor of Information Systems in Australia. I got a Grade Point Average (GPA) of Distinction; only succeeded by High Distinction. I got a Higher Education Debt for my degree. Then, I got harassed and hounded online for almost twenty years, I got forced to work in a toxic workplace that lied about career prospects using bait & switch and dangling the carrot. Then, when I spoke with people who are representatives of government and non-profit organisations in Australian Community, nothing happened. Australia now has a terrible track record for workplace harrassment and bullying. I would not suggest studying or working in Australia; you'll only get exploited.
@Suga_Wifi2 жыл бұрын
Thanks 😊
@oyinkon743 жыл бұрын
I would like to connect with you on linked in if you don’t mind 😅
@KaroCodes3 жыл бұрын
Sure just shoot me a message so I know it's you :)
@sho43563 жыл бұрын
is CIS and CS the same ?
@KaroCodes3 жыл бұрын
Seems to me like something between/covering both IS and CS.
@kccchiu2 жыл бұрын
My biggest regret in college was getting an infosys degree over cs. For me the sole reason to even do a infosys over cs is because you are not good at coding. My uni barely covered any business material and even if they do it's just common sense. From my workplace experience, people with cs has a lot better coding practice. And if you wanna do a master, cs grad has much better choices.
@KaroCodes2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing! Hopefully it can help others make their decision 🤞 For others reading this: it's worth talking to people from each degree at the uni you're planning to go to and get a sense for what you'd be happier with / what's more suitable for you.
@dodo5257-v3f2 жыл бұрын
Hmm I think this is not really that true. Most CS students didn't do as much coding as you think. They did a lot of advanced math and theoretical/algorithms that doesn't really have anything to do with coding. I guarantee you those CS students are better at coding because 1, they usually have better logic because of the intense math they did, and 2nd reason is because they practiced a lot more coding more to the side. Most of CS degree is just training the logic side of the brain rather than coding.
@joaopedrodaniell Жыл бұрын
@@dodo5257-v3f here in Brazil, information systems students code more than computer science students in my uni. The bachelor in Information Systems is 90% the same as the computer science, the difference is that while computer science has a lot of physics and a few academic subjects, information systems focuses on the practice of coding in place.
@nobody_8_12 жыл бұрын
I don't recommend doing an Information Systems degree in Australia. There is very little direct employment opportunities and you'll likely be gaslit into a job role that is a more general technical role which is really customer service asking if customers have turned their devices off and on again. Oh, and the state of Victoria is full of illegal cyber security experts or hackers that are permitted to breach your individual citizen rights and security, despite leaving and returning to the country and going to the federal police over it.
@nobody_8_12 жыл бұрын
This doesn't even begin to factor in the informal blacklist that the Australian information systems industry has in place limiting genuine growth and develop opportunities, subverting peoples' natural skill and ability. I'm totally disillusioned by the entire Australian IS industry: it is all about politics, not best practice. Furthermore, the Australian information systems education doesn't factor in the false attribution of supposed mental health problems particularly when the industry, organisations etc. are externally criticized. Leadership in the IS industry would rather attack and displace people with candid criticisms of their systems and persistently chase, harrass and hou d them all over the globe.
@asharajai2690 Жыл бұрын
Hi John, I’m from Victoria, Australia. I work in Health sector and am thinking of studying Business information system to go into health ICT roles. What would you suggest?
@nobody_8_1 Жыл бұрын
@@asharajai2690 Hi Asha. Where are you from? The reason I ask is because, for me, Australia is a lost cause. I don't come to this judgement easy. I have spent twenty years objectively evaluating it. If you're from India, then I think you're better off studying what you want here and then returning to India AND making change there, just as the Chinese have done with their country. Why not? But do it to a world standard, like Singapore has done. The change can be as simple as advocating for less corruption. I admire Singapore for its genuine progress with respect to its gradual metro speed rail network. To me, that is par excellence and how professional projects should be done. Similarly, I admire China for it's high speed rail infrastructure. These are large scale engineering projects that integrate state of the art technical solutions with sophistication that do not overlook minute details. In Victoria, the level-crossing rail upgrades might seemingly be state of the art, but they do not factor in appropriate shade for outside seating. They look bland. The language they use to describe an exit is "Way out", not "Exit". They place paths for blind people over covers. They have had to redo some bus stops. Is that what you would deem world class? Several of them are graffitied and already filthy...so the people don't value it. This conveys critical messages to me, that it's a rush job, with budgetary constraints or a lack of proper project management champion to steer the projects to completion. That the people don't care for it. All learnt from my IS degree, but failure to adequately implement it here for the right value. Besides, I wouldn't commit to a job or project that changes halfway through - I see that as political and undermining and I'm not interested in putting my name to being undermined. My name is my brand, and, contrary to popular belief, there are always two brands in any employer/employee relationship.
@PeiqiLi-RealLove2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, by the way you look very beautiful.
@mikoalwayz10 ай бұрын
If you want to choose a degree, choose a degree. don't watch a KZbin video.