Conditions Cannot Be Negated - Advanced Rulings

Sometimes a monster will have an effect on it called a condition, which is different from an effect in that it cannot be negated. For example QuickDraw synchron, which says "Cannot be used as a Synchro Material, except for the Synchro Summon of a monster that mentions a "Synchron" Tuner as material. " So if its brought out with Synchron Explorer, which negates its effect on the field, its effect will still prevent it from being used as a non-synchron tuner material. Since this is a condition that cannot be negated.
or how Chaos Sorcerer says "This card cannot attack the turn you activate this effect." So if you use its effect to banish a monster, and then use Skill Drain to negate its effects aftewards, you will still not be able to attack. You can generally tell if it card has a condition compared to an effect based on if the sentence starts with the word "Cannot"
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[@GeoffShouldWin]

I thought the Akiza profile pic was an unconditional untargetable change

[@Epsilon514]

Change is necessary unless you want Konami to put Duellogs on their banlist

[@GeoffShouldWin]

@@Epsilon514 Makes Thousands of YT Videos about Yugioh cards/Duel Links/etc *Konami Sleeps* Akiza Profile Picture *Konami Real Shit*

[@ExtraVictory]

It's just a precaution lol. Realistically konami wasn't going to do anything but not having the copyright to your own logo/mascot is definitely bad

[@Depressed_Spider]

The new pic is adorable though, you have to give him that.

[@DMZZ_DZDM]

No, he just tributed it to special summon a silly little guy

[@brianaguilar8283]

Cyber Harpie Lady is the one effect monster without a real effect as its “effect” is a condition

[@IndexInvestingWithCole]

There have to be more examples

[@gersubdenis6724]

​@@IndexInvestingWithColewhat about summoned skull? It was errata'd just to mention that is counts as an archfiend card.

[@SakuraAvalon]

@@IndexInvestingWithCole Toon World has no effects. Only a cost.

[@NovaSaber]

Elemental HERO Mudballman's only "effect" is a summoning condition, that it must be fusion summoned and can't be special summoned in any other way.

[@doctorwhouse3881]

​@@gersubdenis6724 Pretty sure those kind of clarifiers aren't effects.

[@somerandomdudeable]

In the OCG, effects have circled numbers in front of them, like ①,②, and③, while conditions do not, so they are easy to distinguish. I want numbered effects to come to TCG card text as well

[@warwerewolf777]

Most of us do as well

[@kylianos3907]

Oh wow that's a real thing? I thought they just did that in the ygorg translations. Why tf do we not have that

[@warwerewolf777]

@kylianos3907 Because KoA is just doing shit as cheaply as possible and that would require them to put in any amount of effort in getting either new printing presses, or having to reformat everything

[@nicka.200]

add a scrolldown too, how are new players ever suppose to get in to this game

[@bestaround3323]

​@@nicka.200for physical cards?

[@ZackeroniAndCheese]

Conditions blending in with the rest of the effects are one of the most confusing things in yugioh

[@aidancooper9498]

And there are definitely times where things that look like they would be conditions are able to be negated to get around it.

[@ScionStorm1]

How about this. A Monster will still be counted as a Monster Card even when it is placed in the Spell/Trap Zone as a Continuous Spell, a Continuous Trap or an Equip Spell. This is because "Monster Card" refers to the original status of the Card type, while simply "Monster" refers to the current status the card type is treated as.

[@MansMan42069]

​@@ScionStorm1 Or in other terms, "Monster" means it's in the Monster Zone(s). "Monster Card" refers to the colour of the card (Yellow, Orange, Purple, Blue-Grey, Purple, White, Black, or Blue).

[@Ch00choh]

Having to explain conditions round 1 at my locals always kills me

[@josephguzington]

This ruling was definitely one of my first wtf are yugioh rules moment back when I got into the game

[@Endershock1678]

What’s weird is I never really got confused by these. I’ve lost many a games to missed timings and spell speed and priority and stuff, but I’ve always understood that if a card says something that limits its application, it can’t be negated.

[@windmirror7083]

I think in the future, to make these unnegated text clearer, it should be written in bold or italics or something

[@qiang2884]

It's just that these descriptions are considered as rule effects.

[@CrnaStrela]

In ocg, effects are numbered but conditions aren't. I really wish master duel do the same but they just made the texts has better line break 😢

[@mbrusyda9437]

@@CrnaStrela even lingering and continuous effects?

[@JamesNintendoTurd]

@@mbrusyda9437 Anything that is an effect has a number, which includes continuous effects. Anything that isn't an effect (e.g. Cannot be used as material for..., Must be Special Summoned by..., you can only use this effect of ... once per turn, etc.) does not have a number.

[@siriuslyorion2975]

The existence of a duel academy in the YGO universe makes more and more sense with each of these shorts

[@IndexInvestingWithCole]

Who likes these comments?

[@TwoBitSpecialist]

​@@IndexInvestingWithColeMe, sorry.

[@eliasakkerman4597]

This shit would be on the pop quiz

[@ExtraVictory]

​@@IndexInvestingWithColewhy wouldn't someone like these comments

[@Lithosagymfan173]

​@@IndexInvestingWithColeGen Z memers who know nothing but memes. I am Gen Z, I think, and hate those, because I can actually formulate sentences.

[@mifffalden9225]

Another video where I comment about the numbered effects from the OCG. Quickdraw Synchron is completely unambiguous there because it's condition isn't numbered, so therefore it isn't an effect that can be negated.

[@ryuuohdeltaplus7936]

OCG's effect numbering system makes conditions and effects way more easier to find and distinguish than TCG's PSCT.

[@CommandingVanguard]

Another prime example for this sort of thing is Malefic Parallel Gear, where when used as a synchro material, the other synchro materials MUST be 1 Malefic monster in the hand

[@Ulyssescno.6]

I learned that the hard way to day

[@shadowspector3611]

Someone at my locals told me Rusty Bardiche still can’t be used as link material even when its effects were negated but he refused to elaborate. This was helpful.

[@halodragonmaster]

Win conditions also fall under this category. If you get 10 Materials on Ghostrick Angel of Mischief, she will win you the duel, even if skill drain is up. If mind drain is on the field, which stops monster effects from activating in the hand, and you get all 5 pieces of exodia in hand, you still win the duel.

[@stefanr9539]

really doesn't make any sense...

[@halodragonmaster]

@@stefanr9539 Conditions basically don't activate. They simply apply if you meet them.

[@AnTama47]

​@@stefanr9539in the case for skill drain Any monster still can activate their effect, just the effect negated Condition and passive effect ain't activated effect

[@RSanchez111]

It was a mistake letting lawyers play YGO

[@van-hieuvo8208]

Japanese card text formatting is much clearer. For Quickdraw Synchron, the "condition" is placed before the number 1, making it obvious that it's not an effect

[@Herocalibur10]

And we mocked kaiba for making a dueling academy

[@Blackdragon271]

You should do one of these explaining naming and archetypes For a few examples: 1. Why Black Rose Moonlight Dragon is not a “Black Rose Dragon” or “Rose Dragon” due to its wording. 2. Conditional Effects that change names and how they can be beneficial (example being like how machine duplication plays with cyber dragon) 3. How negations interact with namings (imperm a Cyber Dragon card, and now not called Cyber Dragon) 4. How wording matters for searches in an archetype (Rose dragons in general being very specific on targets) 5. How archetypes can help or block others thanks to easily missed restrictions (ex. Blocking rose dragon by playing Rikka, or how Rikka can work with aromage)

[@Joshua-jg2jf]

There’s already too many bots on here.

[@EulensteinTCG]

Yeah, good for the KZbin algorithmus but bad for us.

[@Williameg27]

I need a playlist of these shorts

[@h3robrine]

And that folks, is how Exodia also works

[@escanor8798]

Bro and i always thought , i really have to bring out my synchro tuner monsters but no this guy exists

[@christianworcester6851]

You ALSO cannot negate SUMMON conditions, if the only way to summon a card is by its effect, you need a card that specifically says it negates summons of some sort. The amount of arguments ive got into on DN because they tried to use a random omni negate to stop my summon drives me nuts.

[@thetruth3068]

You know the future meta of YGO is going to use condition instead of effect so they can ot be negated. The powercreep is crazy in this game

[@esbernhawkins5912]

That's already happened... sorta. Costs similarly can't be negated, and beneficial costs have existed for over a decade. Burning Abyss has done it twice, between Dante and Cherubini. It's also why Dark Matter Dragon is banned, IIRC (because Foolishing 3 Dragons is totally a "cost").

[@Miniperi.1032]

Circular has entered the chat

[@thotobliterator1587]

this explains why summoning conditions in the GY are not negated by Necro Valley. Which makes cards like the Dark World bosses so great! Until blood pulls out the banishing trap hole

[@pallydan9k]

Had to figure this out a good while ago for debris dragon

[@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire]

Are there any cards that actively negate or force the ignoring of the conditions of other cards?

[@boshy4193]

lullaby of obedience

[@brianaguilar8283]

@@AmiriHipHopthat’s the closest example

[@Thatbasedcat]

Still waiting for a monster that says “this cards summoning condition cannot be ignored”. 😹

[@aduck47]

Transaction rollback is the first that comes to mind with it coping the effect but not the conditions

[@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire]

@@Thatbasedcat Honestly, Holactie the Creator of Light should have always had that. THAT WAY Konami can release more level/rank 11+ support cards that wouldn’t accidentally cheat her out and win the game. Here’s an idea for one: _Twelve-For-Twelve_ Quick-Play Spell _Send 12 cards from your hand and/or Field to the GY; Normal Summon/Set or Special Summon 1 Level or Rank 12 monster from your hand, Deck, Extra deck (Face-Up or Facedown), GY, or Banishment (Face-Up of Facedown), ignoring it’s summoning conditions. This card’s activation and effects cannot be negated or responded to._

[@Eulenrabe]

Long text memes aside - Konami really should use indicators. We never encountered stuff like this on the kitchen table, but if it had, i don't know of we had played it right.

[@Populon993]

I guess that's why Malefic tuners can still synchro summon with your hand, even under Skill Drain.

[@zeroone7500]

There literally has the word EFFECT but it's still not an effect it's a condition. What an absolutely understandable logic. Good job konami.

[@My1xT]

No idea if any of the 2 have had post-pendulum jp prints but generally speaking the awesome point of ocg text past pendulum is that not only effects are clearly numbered, but also how conditions come before any effects, so they are not numbered and therefore easily visible, rather than appearing sometimes in the middle of the damn card text

[@haruhisuzumiya6650]

In the Pokémon tcg you can actually get around the cannot attack until the end of next turn by switching and or retreating from active to bench thrn active again, because a benched Pokemon temembers damage total and not conditions aforementioned and statuses poison burn counter is removed , switching can restore Pokemon orientation too.

[@alexiecierra]

It is going to be a good day when Soram posted a video

[@butteryfriedwizard2219]

I only have my bachelor's in yugioh.

[@nestorgraciano3316]

I have lost many, many games for that rule, no one know that was possible

[@dearickangelonej.legaspi6686]

Conditions are the funniest things ever, especially since as a Lunalight player I basically had to learn all about them to use Kaleido Chick(free burials for days), Yellow Marten, and the various "iF this card is sent to the grave by card effect/a spell card"

[@Izzo942]

I love Gravekeepers/ Necrovalley just because of this deck

[@paulmann8570]

Conditions and Inherent Summons were not fun to learn the full rulings on. Thanks Grapha.

[@cyberbug578]

This game was made for lawyers

[@lssjvegeta7103]

Hm... Wonder what deck phoenix wright would run...

[@williamdrum9899]

"If this monster is used as Synchro Material, the other materials are..." can't be negated either

[@tsohgallik]

How about the Mikanko girls? 😅 On Master Duel I negated one of them, they get "equipped" with their own archetype cards... But they are still negated... So thankfully, bye-bye, destroyed BOOM

[@JunTheDude32]

that explains why i couldn't link off rusty bardiche xD

[@solobugg5087]

This is why Kaiba created overused KZbin comments

[@MJonMBoviM]

The more I learn about this game the less I want to actually play it

[@sidecharacter397]

Let's just be glad Konami hasn't (YET) made an archetype that negate everything, but have a ton of conditions so that they can effortlessly play through a fully negated board....... Though I can't think of how they'd word that ruling nightmare, it sure would be a neat new meta-ready deck to sell...

[@axelnoragon7382]

thats super weird to me because u can negate the "condition" on all kaijus, that u can only control one of them

[@zerg6205]

I don't like underworld monsters and tearlaments because their effect to send monsters to the graveyard are conditions/cost and not effect so they can't be negated or reacted to and trying to do so only wastes your resources.

[@yussoefhamdan217]

I didn't know this rule. Thanks

[@zackolot]

One thing to note is that replacing the word "activate" with "use" on Chaos Sorcerer's condition would let it be negated by skill drain. Sometimes things are worded like conditions but if the so-called condition is attached to using or resolving an effect rather than activating an effect/card, then its not a real condition and can be negated

[@illustriousspellcaster5252]

“Chaos Sorcerer” would have to be worded like the following to work the way you had described with “Skill Drain”: You can target 1 face-up monster on the field; banish that target, also this card cannot attack for the rest of this turn.

[@michaeltrinh4394]

Kashtira Shangra-Ira's zone blocking also isn't negated by skill drain as its a condition too.

[@Miniperi.1032]

That makes me wonder if the same applies to older cards like Ojama King or Spatial Collapse. Do you get your zones back? Or will they still be blocked?

[@robertcarsten4050]

​@@Miniperi.1032ojama kings ability is a continuous effect so having his effect negated will free the zones

[@hyoroemongaming569]

I swear there is attack prevention clause that can be negated. Like this mon Canont attack

[@SyxxPunk]

The colloquial term I've heard is "can't always wins"

[@romannopoyer7437]

That first example is how i learned about conditions. I still cant believe i tried to syncho summon black rose dragon 😅😅

[@emmv4k]

Summoner monk won't get nibiru'd if activated on summon, it has to change positions so everything else gets destroyed instead

[@vietle8900]

And the "condition" is why I LOVE using Bystial Lubellion🐧

[@hyoroemongaming569]

Which one?

[@SpeedTy24]

I really wish all cards had an update to actively say effect, condition, etc. They even do it somewhat in rush duels so i really don't understand why not here

[@joejaboy]

Similar to MTG, "Can't" always beats "can".

[@haruhisuzumiya6650]

Except for Pokemon tcg

[@EclipseBullet]

I once won because of the condition of Sanaphond the Sky Prison, My opponent negated it, and tried to destroy with a card effect instead of my other monster. Since he lost one destruction, and couldnt attack for game, I was able to make a comeback.

[@KaoruMzk]

They should really figure out a way to differentiate effects from conditions a bit more. Maybe put the later in [ ]

[@karateka_95]

That's strange, Toons can attack the turn they are summoned if you negate their effects. I did this all the time using Forbidden Chalice on Toon Gemini Elf in Duel Links

[@deepbluejeer]

It's more clear in the OCG text, but the "Cannot attack during the turn it is summoned" stipulation is an effect. Unfortunately for the English text, you'll just have to look up the rulings for it

[@zdelrod829]

I always thought conditions were negated like effects. But then again, I've only played the automated simulators.

[@iowa89357]

So does this apply to blackwing vayu? I thought a big play was summon vayu with shura, and shura cancels vayus condition where it can't by synchro material on field, and you can synch for 5 with shura, or go into other levels with multiple blackwings on field

[@robertcarsten4050]

Vayu not being able to be used as synchro material while face up on the field is a continuous effect not a condition

[@iowa89357]

​@robertcarsten4050 that's what's so confusing. How do you really tell/know? Wish we had cards more like rush duel, with activation requirements and actual effects. Separate the different aspects, to make the game a lil less confusing than it already is

[@robertcarsten4050]

​@iowa89357 yes it's annoyingly the TCG hasn't developed a way to make this clear to players. Many years ago I had hoped thry would adopt the OCG templating, namely conditions are listed before effects and all effects are numbered. In that event chaos sorc would look like this You can only use the ① effect of this card once per turn, cannot attack the turn the ① effect is activated. ① target one face-up monster in the field: banish that target. While vayu would look like this ① cannot be used as synchro material while face up on the field ② second effect from graveyard

[@phorchybug3286]

Okay so these downsides are just smelly farts on top of powerful weapons. You can plug up the gun but not the big freaky explosion.

[@frba9053]

Is there any card such that there is a way to use a condition in an advantages way

[@02brother]

i learn this while using dark world...

[@YarnLalms711]

Similarly, you can't negate summoning conditions/summoning costs, i.e. someone tried chaining Ghost Belle to my Turbulence's Special Summon, but Turbulence banishes as cost so the card doesn't see the banish as an effect.

[@xCorvus7x]

That has nothing to do with conditions, though, it's just the difference between doing things as cost and doing them as part of resolving an effect. How could Ghost Belle possibly prevent you from fulfilling a cost, when she can only be activated in the chain _after_ you already fulfilled that cost?

[@princesssweepzzt5502]

It's funny because I was asking this question the other day and tested it out in Master Duel to find that some conditions couldn't be negated, but some could. For instance, Naturia Spider's condition that says it cannot attack unless the opponent activates an effect can be negated, as well as the conditions of some Toon monsters that say they cannot attack on the turn they're summoned. Is there any reason that these conditions can be negated but others can't?

[@robertcarsten4050]

It won't be as satisfying an answer as you would hope. It is because the effects mentioned of naturia spiderfang and toon monsters like blue eyes toon dragon are continuous effects and not conditions. Continuous effects can be negated

[@princesssweepzzt5502]

@robertcarsten4050 Ohhhh I get it now, so effects that just happen passively as a general effect of the monster can be negated, but conditions that are the result of an action cannot be negated after the action required has been done, or even if its effects are negated but still activated

[@pistincup352]

What about the monsters that says “Cannot be Destroyed by Battle”, like Marsmallon or SuperHeavy Samurai Blowtorch? Are those negate-able?

[@robertcarsten4050]

Yes those are continuous effects

[@michaelfellner7205]

ah yugioh. meanwhile vayu ISN'T a condition because it says "this card cannot..." instead of just "cannot"? Ugh this is why a duel academy exists

[@illustriousspellcaster5252]

The text on the OCG version of Vayu is much more succinct and unambiguous as to what its effects are. The part of Vayu’s text where you cannot use as Synchro Material while it is on the field, is written in bullet point #1 in the OCG card, indicating that it is indeed part of Vayu’s effect.

[@flavorflov6519]

Is this the same with Promethean Princess’s self-floodgate effect?

[@robertcarsten4050]

No that is a continuous effect

[@Advisor17]

How to tell passive effects apart from conditions?

[@robertcarsten4050]

In the TCG there isn't a great one. Besides just knowing. You could look up a translation of the OCG text (Japanese) as they list conditions before effects and effects are numbered on the card to deferentiate them.

[@cccc8141]

Ok well this has me curious, why are you allowed to summon non fire monsters if promethean's effects gets negated? Seems like the same wording, yet if she gets imperm'd you can still link her off for something like accesscode instead of amblowhale.

[@robertcarsten4050]

Because that is a continuous effect. Annoyingly the TCG hasn't developed a way to make this clear to players. Many years ago I had hoped thry would adopt the OCG templating, namely conditions are listed before effects and all effects are numbered. In that event chaos sorcerer would look something like this You can only use the ① effect of this card once per turn, cannot attack the turn the ① effect is activated. ① target one face-up monster in the field: banish that target. While promethian princess would be more like You can only use the ②③ effects of promethian princess once per turn ① you cannot special summon monsters except fire monsters ② effect that specials a fire monster ③ effect that summons herself from grave

[@rogerlovell2372]

So cannot be special summon is a condition also?

[@hungryhippowdon7141]

You know how Pendulums sometimes say "You cannot Pendulum Summon monsters except [Archetype] monsters, this effect cannot be negated"? Why does that need to be an effect and not a condition if it always applies?

[@Populon993]

My wild guess would be that these things say "you cannot..." So they apply to the player. Compared to these conditions, that apply to the card itself.

[@methatis3013]

I think it usually refers to pendulum summons not able to be negated. But the literal card text is required since Yugioh gets really specific with its wording

[@Gman18]

Does Amazoness swords woman have a condition effect ?

[@illustriousspellcaster5252]

“Amazoness Swords Woman” has a Continuous Effect” while it is face-up in the Monster Zone where any battle damage you would take from battles involving it to is inflicted to your opponent, instead. This is not a condition, as the effect can be negated by the likes of “Skill Drain”, “Forbidden Chalice”, “Forbidden Droplets”, “Infinite Impermanence”, etc.

[@BlakeJames-v4v]

What about cards like knightmare pheonix?

[@ASavageEye]

No other tcg has so many stupid rulings. In every other game you simply follow what it says on the card but with YuGiOh you have to read the card, understand what is a condition/effect/whatever and then make sure you know what speed it is ( which is written nowhere ) and then you have to pray that there is no separate special ruling regarding that card and the card you intend to use it against. This all started when some sneaky smartass said " but the effect says SENT to the graveyard and not DESTROYED" and has just gotten worse and worse over the years with players trying to use the words in more and more twisted ways. THIS, this is why there are less and less new players each year.

[@snes90]

Just to be sure, if you negated the **effect** of Chaos Sorcerer while it attempting to banish a card, it still cannot attack? But if it said "... ; banish that target and this card cannot attack for the rest of this turn." it would still be able to attack?

[@jk844100]

Chaos Sorcerer says “this card cannot attack the turn you *activate* this effect” So if the activation of the effect is negated (by Apollousa for example) then It can still attack because technically you didn’t “activate” the effect. If only the effect is negated (by Skill Drain for example) then it cannot attack.

[@illustriousspellcaster5252]

If “Chaos Sorcerer” hypothetically had the 2nd effect in the example you had described, the card could legally declare an attack previously during the turn, and you would still be eligible to activate its banish effect, because the “it cannot attack for the rest of this turn” is a lingering effect that only applies after the activation of the effect was successful. As to why you could activate in the first place, it would be because the card does something else in addition to making itself unable to attack, i.e. banishing a monster, even though the card has declared an attack already during the turn. This effect mirrors the real-life “ S:P Little Knight” in many ways.

[@Vii.671]

When did the pfp change

[@poochyenarulez]

few days ago. There was a poll.

[@MICHAELTUMANGDAY]

Can Angel O7 negate them tho?

[@robertcarsten4050]

Okay I love that you mentioned Angel O7 as it's one of my favorite cards of all time. But also Angel O7 doesn't dengste effects, it prevents effects of effect monsters from being activated. This would only apply to trigger and ignition effects. Not influencing continuous effects and certainly not conditions which are not a type of effect

[@carter3012]

Wait but crazy box says it cannot attack but if u negate it's effects it's can still attack can't it?

[@CrnaStrela]

It doesn't start with "cannot", it starts with "this card". Which means it is an effect that can be negated.

[@TamerSpoon3]

Crazy Box's "This card cannot attack" is basically a continuous effect like "This card cannot be targeted" and so can be negated. And yes, if a card that cannot be targeted is negated (as in the card itself, not just it's other effect), then you can then target it while it is negated. Chaos Sorcerer's condition is similar to something like Verte Anaconda. You can't negate Anaconda after you fusion summon with it to continue to special summon, for example.

[@illustriousspellcaster5252]

@TamerSpoon3 Not quite. When resolving the effect of “Predaplant Verte Anaconda” which allows it to copy the effect of a Fusion Spell, the text which prevents you from Special Summoning monsters is a lingering effect contingent upon the successful activation and resolution of the card’s effect. Thus, if the effect of Verte were to be responded immediately with say, “Effect Veiler”, you can still continue to Special Summon that turn, because all of its effects are negated. A better example I feel would be “Exosister Martha”. To attempt Special Summoning with its own effect, you have to meet its activation requirements and conditions the entire turn. Thus, if the activation of “Exosister Martha” to Special Summon itself is successful, but the effect resolution was negated by something like “Ash Blossom and Joyous Spring” you still cannot Special Summon non-Exosister monsters afterwards, because this is not an effect.

[@sukmawadisulistyo3904]

Can skill drain negate it?

[@illustriousspellcaster5252]

“Chaos Sorcerer” would not be able to attack, even though it did not banish a monster, if that is what you are asking.

[@Baroxshitposter665]

Nah Bro, what the f*ck Is going on with the rules ?💀

[@GameMiestro]

Another "rule" in Yugioh that is not spelled out anywhere in the rulebook or any official text, that fans have cobbled together a pattern out of based on a bunch of disjointed card rulings.

[@shaye1444]

Sadly this barely matters now. The game sucks now. It's just too fast and makes the game really boring. Just who gets what first.

[@CrnaStrela]

This still matter, just because you are unwilling to learn doesn't mean others too.

[@snes90]

Sadly this comment barely matters now. It's just an opinion irrelevant to the video and to commiserate with others who dislike the game. Just... move on then.

[@TamerSpoon3]

I feel like the only people who complain about this are people whose experience with early YGO was limited to playing with terrible decks with 0 synergy against their friends at lunch in school. Even the anime suffers with this and the first person to play a real deck (Zayne with Cyber Dragons) stomps everyone because he actually can pull off a consistent OTK. In reality, the first competitive meta was Summoned Skull and La Jinn beatdown while setting backrow to destroy your opponents monsters. So instead of getting locked out of the game by negates you were locked out by everything you summoned getting destroyed immediately. It's always been the case that whoever sets up their board first wins since YGO doesn't limit how many cards you can play per turn. The only difference between old and modern YGO is that the "back and forth gameplay" (aka interacting with your opponent) happens over 2 turns instead of 5 or 6.

[@soukenmarufwt5224]

@@TamerSpoon3 OCG 1999 had it way worse. They had Exodia FTK in 99 A lot more destructive cards in 2000. Volume 1 before the rule change once Booster 2 came out, they had no tribute summon rule and only one trap card existed and that was Trap Hole. Also keep in mind, OCG 99 rules before Booster 2, you can only activate one spell or trap per turn. So this lead to, who got Dark Magican or Gaia first, or Blue Eyes as of Volume 2. With even mor limited resources. Nothing has changed rather then the speed of the game. Yugi Boomers continue to cope

[@scantyer]

If only this card game used keywords like any other card game

[@jugemujugemu4690]

so true! when my Coach king gets impermed when i play Dark World or Volcanics, i still activate 3 times to get the Grapha/reign beaux's and Horus' back into my grave

[@Protect_all_ljf3forms]

While you cant negate them you can ignore them

[@KYSMO]

This is such bullcrap honestly. The existence of a duel academy in the YGO universe makes more and more sense with each of these shorts. I played semi-competitively until around the middle of the Zexal era,

[@rithahhear509]

Another stupid yu gi oh rule. Discard and send card from hand to grave are two different things. The reason i dont like playing darkworld deck.

[@alialluaibi3008]

It is weird seeing this channel with a different profile picture than the Akiza one !

[@stefanr9539]

this is a stupid af ruling... so if a card cannot negate the effect what is the text on the card? not its effect?

[@That1powergamer]

I think of it like a cost, but yeah, he's right.

[@alexdokkaner5741]

and if I used the sorcerer effect I covered it face down and rediscovered it could it attack?

[@illustriousspellcaster5252]

Yes! That is because when you flip the monster face-down, and flip it face-up, it will remove any pre-existing effects and conditions on the card, essentially being treated as a different copy of the card that banished a monster on the field.

[@dfy2L8]

Then why can I synchro if I summon Vayu with Shura's effect?

[@illustriousspellcaster5252]

TheDuelLogs is making a gross oversimplification of the “Cannot” clause. “Blackwing - Blackwing - Vayu the Emblem of Honor” preventing you from using it as Synchro Material while it is on the field is considered a Continuous Effect. Thus, if the card was Summoned by the effect of “Blackwing - Shura the Blue Flame”, all of Vayu’s effects are negated, including the portion that would prevent you from using it as Synchro Material, thus you can use it as Material for a Synchro Summon.

[@sunnybey]

Sometimes I feel like I need a degree in English to play Yugioh

[@illustriousspellcaster5252]

Yu-Gi-Oh has its own set of rules and word usage that is not seen anywhere else in English. In short, it has its own language.

[@ooperblownup]

I wanna understand why recently on master duel I ritual summoned black luster soldier - legendary swordsman and during the battle phase the opponent activated alghoul mazera from his hand to prevent the monsters from being destroyed by battle, which prevented my field shuffle effect 😑. I thought legendary swordsman had an effect that prevents the opponent from using effects in the battle phase...

[@illustriousspellcaster5252]

Two things: “Black Luster Soldier - Legendary Swordsman” has an effect that prevents your opponent from using *activated* effects during your Battle Phase. However, it doesn’t stop effects that do not activate. “Alghoul Mazera” has a rather unique effect where it can banish itself from the hand or GY in place of destroying a Zombie monster for one time only. Note that this effect does not activate; you can tell because the effect does not use either a colon “:” or a semi-colon “;”. The effect of “Alghoul Mazera” is considered an unclassified effect; where the effect is applied immediately once the conditions are met. Think of it like it is a Continuous Effect, except the monster is not actually on the field for the effect to start applying. Hope this helps.

[@ooperblownup]

@@illustriousspellcaster5252 thank you for the explanation even though this sounds like complete Konami bs. BLS - Legendary Swordsman effects specifically says "your opponent cannot activate cards or effects during your battle phase". You would think with that description it would lock the opponent up from doing anything in the battle phase. This game is complete nonsense sometimes.

[@coadpop886]

Where the fuck is akiza

[@kongk4]

One example that happened to my opponent: They used Widow Anchor to negate and steal my Rock of the Vanquisher, then sat there baffled why they couldn't link it away for Zeke. Rock has the condition that it cannot be used for Link-Material.

[@kostasvapo69]

that's silly !

[@ninacochrane569]

Weirdly, cards like Mirrorjade can have their ACTIVATED effect negated and the lingering condition does not apply, as that condition applies on resolution (and the first time I learned that, I lost a game over it and was *extremely* pissed, since it reads like Chaos Sorc does.)

[@illustriousspellcaster5252]

The stark contrast between the two is that the effect of “Mirrorjade, the Icejade Dragon” to banish a monster and preventing itself from activating the effect again next turn is all *one* effect, whereas with “Chaos Sorcerer”, the effect of the card is written one sentence and its conditions/restrictions are listed on the other. The only remotely similar factor between the two is the once per turn clause, which means you can activate the effects of each card once per turn, for each copy.

[@MadaraR6]

What if you book of moon the chaos sorc.

[@Blackacre438]

Wait but Vayu’s restriction of “cannot be used as synchro material” does get negated by Shura the Blue Flame. How tf is that not a condition?!

[@robertcarsten4050]

Becuase that is a continuous effect