Confederacy of Earth & The Terran Empire, Whats the Difference?

[@philly83]

The mirror universe is my guilty pleasure. However, I wish we could have gotten more of the confederation timeline too.

[@wargodsix]

Sto needs to visit the confederatacy so many cool ships we could get in game

[@MeNoOther]

There are 2 mirror universe worlds The one we see in TOS and DS9 The another one where the Empire never collapsed. The Confederation could be that. Maybe the episode os SNW where we see the alternative Kirk came from the Confederate version to help La An Khan

[@keithwiggins3131]

I wonder who will win between these two faction's.

[@JoducusKwak]

One thing: you dont even need to be a Terran to become the Terran Emperor, best (and maybe only) example would be Spock, you just need to be a citizen of the Empire and be able to do such a power grab

[@r.connor9280]

What does the Mirror call the Main universe? What are their reactions to the Federation?

[@NerdWorldEmpire]

That might make a good topic 🤔 Short answer the only time it’s mentioned how they refer to it other than just the Federation, is Georgiou says “to us you are mirror” or words to that effect. And they view the Federation with suspicion and they think it’s a threat to the empire due to subversive ideas, tends to be the main reaction

[@r.connor9280]

@@NerdWorldEmpire call it the rorriM episode

[@JoducusKwak]

I want to see a story about the confederacy and the Empire encountering each other, since thr Confederacy is a change timeline of the prime universe there should have been encounters, such a version of the ToS episode alone would have been interesting. Also since its an alternate timeline, if Voyager still got flung to the Delta Quadrant and still went thru year of hell it might have Temporal Shields and there might be a Confederation Star Ship Voyager on the way "home" of course with a slightly different crew, no 7 of 9 for example

[@Sbebbe]

The only reason this wasn’t the mirror universe is so they could use the term “confederacy” and tap into that horn of plenty American racial and historical anxiety.

[@dr.death4377]

Confederacy of Earth you wouldn't have the terran empire in the mirror unvierse you would have starfleet.

[@rmartinson19]

Small quibble: the primary difference between Fascism and Marxist-Leninist Communism is that Fascism is Nationalist and Communism is Universalist. Some other differences are the way Fascism believes in a sort of Darwinist struggle between culturally distinct nation-states as the idea state of the world (as opposed to the Communist ideal of a homogenized world with all difference and divergence of culture and thought thoroughly erased), and that there is no need to abolish private property (though it CAN be abolished, it's just not a hard requirement the way it is with Communism). Also, Fascism is not strictly Right Wing. It can be Right Wing, Left Wing, or even politically Centerist, depending on the local politics of each country that implements it. Fascism works just as comfortably with a hard-line Socialist state as it does with a laissez-faire Capitalist one. Otherwise, they are largely quite similar. Fascism utilizes elements of traditional national culture that are beneficial to the state, and annihilates those that aren't, where Communism does the same with regards to cultural institutions and traditions that align or fail to align with Communist dogma. Fascism creates a cult of the State as the greatest good and the highest authority, with no limits placed on centralized state control of every aspect of life, both public and private, while Communism does the same (though in fairness, this kind of tyrannical totalitarianism is a means to an end in Marxist-Leninist ideology, while it is an end unto itself in Fascism). They even both derive many of their core ideals from the same guy's writings, the Enlightenment philosopher Georg W.F. Hegel.

[@getothechoppa114]

The Confederation is much more organized and much more dangerous. It be like the mirror universe terrains coming together instead of fighting each other

[@joestraw8870]

I think the snappiest way to describe the confederacy in the Picard season two timeline, is to answer the question: what if earth made first contact with Cardassia? Essentially, under Soong, Earth avoided a Third World War which we know the universe of the Terran Empire did not but embraced a technocratic government. In some way, it’s almost as if you see how the nation state of Oceania formed in the novel 1984 and remove the principles of Ingsoc. The borg queen is the focus of the two minute hate. The confederation always has to be at war. The confederation is always watching you.

[@niz392]

This a well-articulated and easy to understand comparison. Thanks for the video 😊

[@badwolf66]

Looking at the NATO and CSTO flag it looks like those 2 military blocks merged together during the 21st century to create The Confederacy of Earth. The Confederacy are alive and kicking due to intense human unity and adaptability, while The terrans are now nothing but a rabble or rebels fighting over scraps. (Thanks DS9 writers) Does The Confederacy of earth timeline still exist or is it parallel like The terrans? it wasn't fully explained!

[@doubt3430]

Considering it seem changes result in a parallel timeline Source Kelvin timeline It's reasoned to believe that the confederation timeline is now also a parallel timeline like the Kelvin timeline

[@michaelstaengl1349]

The Confederation of Earth (COT) Timeline was the result of a historical meddling by the dying variant of Q as a final test to Admiral Jean Luc Picard from the prime-timeline. It is unclear whether the dying variant of Q had the power to eliminate this timeline during his last snap with which he transported Picard and his companions back into the prime 2402. It's also unclear if it still exists after Picard and his plucky team of "missfits" 😉 managed to get Rene Picard aboard the manned mission to the Jovian moon Europa which was an important historical event which lead to the foundation of the prime timeline UFP. It's also unclear if the still alive and well variant of Q who visited Jake Crusher-Picard at the end of the last episode of season 3 deleted this timeline his dying variant once created. (1) I for my part would like the idea that this other kind of mirror universe still exists since it still has potential for great trans-reality episodes of future Star Trek series's. (1) Never forget, the Q aren't bound to the linear timeframe of us bipedal puny regulars in the standard-universe in all of its historical timelines. The Q are masters over time, matter, the space and its fabric and reality, they can live for millions of years in the parts of the overal reality in which we live, they also live in all the historical outcomes, timelines, and are also extra-univeral beings and in this extra universal realm they are fully immortal. An individual Q can live trillions of years, in all kinds of manifestations, they can live and experience everything they need to experience. A Q can concetrate fully on one variant of himself who in the case of our beloved John de Lancie Q to experience dying and losing his powers, so he can be surprised, lacking of future knowledge if he depowered too much and after the death, Q micht have been revived by his omni-reality- and transtemporal nature. I'm sure, the Q have a single word or a short sentence for what I wrote because we humans need more of these to describe the nature of these hard to comprehend beings.

[@Alastorius510]

So, the Terran empire is more open about their hostile nature.

[@shreyashpatil6118]

Explore this universe more

[@Guiscardo777]

it is clear that you have a very superificial and hollywood stereotypical (un)knowledge of the Roman Empire.

[@NerdWorldEmpire]

It’s clear you have a superficial understanding of how comment on a video about Star Trek not the Roman Empire, funny how you can just type anything here with absolutely no idea what you’re saying or who you’re talking about isn’t it?

[@shanenolan5625]

Cheers

[@micketm3]

🤔... I think the difference is one is Dumb and the other Dumber !! 😂

[@wargodsix]

What would confederation first contact look like

[@james8449100]

There less evil

[@doubt3430]

The confederation won

[@jmailmonopolis6296]

Facism is left not right wing. Monarchy might be extreme right, also theocracy.

[@NerdWorldEmpire]

Fascism is far right ideology communism is far left ideology. Monarchy can vary it depends on how autocratic it is, a theocracy could easily be fascistic but isn’t necessarily. Just because a certain German nationalist party in the 30’s called themselves national socialists does not mean that fascism is left wing.

[@jmailmonopolis6296]

@@NerdWorldEmpire I agree just calling yourselves something doesn't make it so. The fact is mustache man copied the eugenics of progressives in the united states. though fascism doesn't always mean eugenics. However fascism does mean state control of the economy and government control of individual freedoms supposedly for the good of all such as civilian gun ownership. just because fascism is nationalist isn't enough on its own to make it right wing, after all, so was the Ussr.

[@jmailmonopolis6296]

@@NerdWorldEmpire I mentioned monarchy because that was the original meaning of right wing, which has evolved as monarchies have gone out of practice almost everywhere.

[@jmailmonopolis6296]

@@NerdWorldEmpire I gave an in depth explanation, but it was sensor shipped. so i have to split it into multiple parts.

[@jmailmonopolis6296]

@@NerdWorldEmpire your right that name doesn't make things so. But mustache man did practice the following.

[@shanenolan5625]

Correction fascism is extreme left as well . ( two side of the same voin ) socialism and national socialism ( left ) extreme far right would be pinachet in Argentina. Or military dictator or king ( absolute monarchy) or theocracy . Fascism was always left. Thats a common mistake. Most people have been told that they are right but thats historical revision. Iran would be right wing. Its not a small point. A centrally planed economy. The only difference is in Russia is the people control the meansvof productions. Vs the government controls the means of production. Private property still exists you just build what the county needs. And in communism, people in government controls the people and the means of production. In practice. They are essentially the same except socialism is worse. In every way . Including war crimes and body counts.

[@kevinstrandberg4512]

fascism is the right's response to the left

[@ignacio3890]

CORRECTION FASCIM IT'S EXTREME RIGHT WHEN THE OLLIGARCHS HAVE THE PRODUCTIVE ASSETS AND ECONOMY CONTROLL AND THE RIGHT SYSTEMS CAN HAVE THE CONTROLL OF THE ECONOMY ....

[@PaulGuy]

Fascism is literally defined by being extreme right-wing. "National Socialism" was nothing more than marketing in an era when socialism/communism was a growing political ideology, a lie to trick the populace. The difference is rather simple: fascism is extreme government control with private oligarchs running the economy, while socialism/communism is extreme government control with the state owning the "businesses".

[@RestinPowerHind]

Conservatives map much closer to fascists than socialists. Both Con and Fas believe in a stratified society wherein the "best people" lead the "less desirable." The rich and powerful deserve their success, and losers are losers by their own shortcomings. Both look back to the past as a roadmap for the future: a nostalgic past (usually 30-50 years ago) and a mythic past (couple hundred to a thousand years ago), respectively. A socialist country would be more democratic and equitable: a needs-based economy instead of profit-based. Cons and Fas are also both REALLY into the military spending and making wars.

[@RestinPowerHind]

Our OP doesn't realize that a bottom-up planning approach starting locally by passionate experts will always be better than an economy planned by the oligarchs. That's more democratic and will result in long-term benefit decisions. I'd prefer that to the moneyed decisions of my government.

[@StArShIpEnTeRpRiSe]

A simple explanation: Terran Empire: Nazis won WW2. Confederacy of Earth: Confederation won the US civil war. That's all. And no, aliens can't rise to the Terran Emperor position. That's just a non 100%-canon jump of Star Trek Online, where the timeline already has a different Terran Empire, as the Terran Empire collapsed after mirror Spock started rebellion. And mirror T'Pol clearly pointed out, that no other race can outrank Humans in the Terran Empire. And Discovery also not canon.

[@PaulGuy]

Discovery is inarguably canon, whether you like it or not.

[@StArShIpEnTeRpRiSe]

@@PaulGuy If it's in a paralel universe, like JJ-verse, it is, if not, then it's not canon, as it goes against everything that happened in TOS ENT which ARE canon.

[@ch.k.3377]

And that is precisely where the mistake lies. In the excerpts about the contemporary history of the mirror universe, it is said that the Nazis never won the Second World War.