Mirror Universe : The Terran Empire Government

[@xchanticochulox]

It seems that the Terran empire is the Roman empire that never fell. There are so many clues from the salutes to the gods to the attitudes that very much seem roman. It seems to be a good strong story line

[@LoreReloaded]

Yea, I do think that's where they were going with that.

[@carlm7094]

xchanticochulox The Klingons put Tyler's mind in a Klingon body and did surgery to make it look human!

[@STho205]

Lore Reloaded. Nope it was from City. The Roman Alternate was a new story in the line of Miri stories. Alternate Earth coincidences in this universe and this reality that made different choices. Fictional device for a moral lesson. Bread and Circuses shows that Uhura was a church lady in the 23rd Century. She schooled the three clueless white atheists on Christianity. Ohhhhhh SNAP. So religion isn't completely gone by 2267.

[@InfamousArmstrong]

That's a different episode.

[@JustSumGuy01]

We can also assume if this the truth, then the "primarily" language of the Terrans might not even be "English" as we know it

[@jrm48220]

It's called the "mirror universe" because the TOS episode where we first saw it was called "mirror mirror." It also likely has to do with the quote "for we see now through a glass darkly."

[@LoreReloaded]

..ok

[@kuldipbinning1989]

1950's western hemisphere to me it all points to Walt Disney founder of the Terrain Empire.

[@LoreReloaded]

+Kuldip Binning ......mother of God..

[@epsilon7707]

No it’s TRUMP who caused it

[@chris8139]

Or typical Americans thinking their the Centre of the universe

[@ManicMalcolm]

Hiel Mickey

[@ChronicEye]

hail mickey

[@ZontarDow]

"Where he dropped acid"

[@JJMHigner]

Exactly, lol

[@seanlongshore2341]

Straight trippin Bones!

[@dumbcatposter]

The only way McCoy can get rid of his space sickness is by getting LIT

[@brickman940]

"DAMN IT MAN, I'M A DOCTOR, NOT A DRUG ADDICT!"

[@dragoninthewest1]

@@brickman940 Kirk: Bones, I am behind.

[@poseidon5003]

I wonder what the Mirror Universe Borg are like? "We are the Borg. We only want to procreate with anybody who is willing". 5000 Seven OF Nine clones beam down. Good times.

[@alanmike6883]

Put me down for that. Might take me a while by 5000 seven clones. Damn. Death by snu snu 😂

[@yachiyous9110]

And instead of machine implants, they don't wear anything, just biological tools to help them procreate

[@yachiyous9110]

@@eatpoopoo jeesus, that was distubing but hella cool!

[@insertanynameyouwant5311]

It`s hard to say anything about Borg. I`m pretty sure Q wasn`t interested in Terrans so he didn`t introduce them to Borg, but they might be the same in their Delta Quadrant. Eventually Mirror universe doesn`t mean everything should be 100% opposite to the Prime one😀

[@stephenbutler4399]

@@insertanynameyouwant5311 haha actually, i can't remember where i saw it, but apparently Q MADE the mirror universe... Completely as a troll to the federation and Picard in particular... That does seem like something he would do... X'D

[@MasterFhyl]

0:55 "pointing out a place where he dropped acid." Man, those trippy 60's.

[@JCDenton2012Modder]

Every Stellaris run in a Nutshell

[@deltahunter4810]

JCDenton 2012 Let’s be Xenophobic it’s really in this year

[@WendysFries]

Lets go and find a slimy alien to fear

[@huntrovherobrin]

There's no more cutesy stories about E.T. phoning home.

[@johnroach9026]

Let's learn to love our neighbours like the Christians learned in Rome

[@johnjohnson7888]

@@johnroach9026 we know we ought hate

[@AnotherDoomerWeeb]

A facist government devoid of racism and xenophobia where any one could advance through hard work/obaying the law? ... Would you like to know more?

[@LoreReloaded]

Hahah, We would need to define 'obeying the law' ..but that could be an interesting idea..

[@AnotherDoomerWeeb]

That's the tricky part isn't it. The laws would determine whether this is a racist utopia or dystopia. But either way you have to be a citizen to get the right to advance and vote... So join the Mobile Intrantry today!

[@LoreReloaded]

Yea, I got the reference there instantly as well ;) I need to do an ad for the terran empire in that style ;P

[@sakuradl]

Are you talking about the book or movie.

[@AnotherDoomerWeeb]

sakuradl definitely the Paul Verhoeven film. Which was designed from the ground up to be satire

[@shadowvessel]

I know it's not canon, but I read a ST:TNG novel where Picard went to the mirror universe. The book was written before DS9's take on that universe, so they were still very much the Terran Empire. Anyhoo, Picard read their history and it turned out that there was never a World War 3 and that they'd never learned the lessons of mass genocide and come together peacefully afterwards. I wish that the show had gone this route with the story. The ships were more advanced, particularly the engines. The conquered territory of the Empire was 2 or 3 times the size of the Federation's explored space. Definitely find this book, it makes an interesting read.

[@LoreReloaded]

Agreed

[@warriorking0723]

Does this novel have a title?

[@shadowvessel]

@@warriorking0723 Dark Mirror by Diane Duane

[@AstralDragons00]

I always liked the Mirror Universe. They tried to have the opposite of the Federations as the Dominion but it didnt really work. Having this Terran Empire that conquered and ruled the stars over the Federation that united the stars is a very good counter story For every success the Federation made threw peace you have the Empire do the exact same thing threw war In some ways its a shame in DS9 they had the empire become broken and beaten, it could have been a fun story arc to have the Federation and the Empire come into conflict

[@generaluser5378]

GodReapersX I'd love to see s successful Terran Empire! Maybe have them square off a "Mirror Dominion" that values freedom and coexistence between races.

[@devilmanscott]

Well, the Dominion does favour co-existence, but only between the "solids", because of genuine distrust they have for them, it just that you lack total freedom, it was more a smiling face version of Fascism, I know, people have hard time seeing other forms of it.

[@generaluser5378]

In the Mirror Gamma Quadrant, when the Founders originally left to explore the galaxy they found that "the Solids" reacted to them with wonder and delight. As a result of this experience the mirror Founders developed the philosophy that all races should be free to chose their own destiny. They believe this so strongly that they will often intervene to aid smaller races threatened by larger empires. This makes them natural enemies of the Terran Empire.

[@sophiawilson8696]

there is one that is successful Terran Empire

[@VictoriaRamos-lj2ee]

If you think thats bad think about the Mirror Dominion and whats known on them thus far...make our version of them look like wimps!

[@sophiawilson8696]

I glad that you add that the Vulcans join the Terran empire later. Look on as equal status as the humans later.

[@carlm7094]

Sophia Wilson The Klingons put Tyler's mind in a Klingon body and did surgery to make it look human!

[@sophiawilson8696]

no I am talking about the other subject.

[@DrewLSsix]

Carl M. No, they modified a klingon body to look human using Tylers body, then used tylers mind to mask the klingons.

[@DrewLSsix]

Sophia Wilson i say theres two different timelines here. The one from TOS and DS9 with different races in the empire, perhaps after years of fighting after first contact. Then another timeline was created when the Defiant appeared, it changed the ballance of power from that point and the humans never needed to ally with Vulcans and the like. Leading to the mirror verse seen in DSC. Interestingly, if its not the case that means the Spock and his father are on opposing sides of a major conflict🤔 so typical of them!

[@sophiawilson8696]

Hey that is good point thanks but I read that the over years the Vulcans was had equal statues thanks to T-pol (there rebels Vulcans against Terran Empire in the early days of ENT) There is non canon stories that T-pol and Empress Hosi work together to bring Vulcans to fold.

[@TheMarcHicks]

Have you ever read the TNG Novel "Dark Mirror"? If not, I can highly recommend it.

[@chrissonofpear3657]

Also, the Mirror Spock book, Sorrows of Empire?

[@deathstrike]

The book is excellent and while I wont spoil it for anyone, it does get more into the roots of the Terran Empire and many of the parallels of it versus the Federation. Also from this and other novels, the Terran Empire comic books are also in circulation and are well written and as for the Imperial Picard, well you will be suprised at how ruthless he really is.

[@CaptainFoufeu]

Oh yes, Diane Duane delivers a book that really makes the Terran Empire a vicious ruling power that makes the Romans and Nazis seem like puppy dogs. Every species is enslaved and conquered without remorse. She has written quite a few Star Trek books, including "Ship of the Line," which describes Picard's first mission on the Enterprise E. It also explains that Picard was not the Enterprise E's first commander. It was Morgan Bateson. That's right, the captain of the Soyuz class USS Bozeman from "Cause and Effect (TNG)"

[@kobayashibrynhild9622]

I've read it. It's very good. I also highly recommend it.

[@andygodbeer7496]

Only found your channel a few weeks ago, and it rocks!

[@LoreReloaded]

+Andy Godbeer I always attempt to Impress :) Glad you enjoy.

[@gobanito]

Human-centric racism? Sounds like the Star Wars Empire.

[@Kilovotis]

Except older (also holy crap someone who was a freshman when you posted this could've graduated by now that's crazy)

[@Fenris77]

One thing though, the Terran Empire was resting on very shaky ground as its command hierarchy was in theory in constant flux as a way for advancement was to assasinate anyone above making every Terran with any kind of position probably extremely paranoid. SO calling it an "Odd hirerarchy" is obvious.

[@Fenris77]

But Mirror universe Spock's reforms was also the reason for the Empire's/Terran Republic's downfall due to the scrapping of its military.

[@thefurrybstard1964]

The assassination method only worked if you didn't get caught. But even so, you're not wrong.

[@matthewcaughey8898]

Tangled with my mirror counterpart the ISS Normandy. He’s just as aggressive as me and it makes a far more difficult opponent then I ever faced before. It’s 50/50 right now with our fights and SFC knows to get me if he ever comes back

[@Warsage29]

Long live the Empire

[@LoreReloaded]

#fortheemperor

[@yukin1990]

Long live the Empire!!

[@alexandercross9081]

I agree but I feel you have the wrong one

[@DMSProduktions]

All hail, Emperor Tiberius!

[@vicarofrevelwood]

Terra Firma!

[@thefurrybstard1964]

I would suggest that there are a multitude of different 'Mirror Universes'.

[@johnshields1715]

This would make the most sense considering every time we see them something is different about them lol.

[@marvenlunn6086]

Star trek TNG parallels word keeps shifting to many different universe's and the book q squared

[@Voron_Aggrav]

one of the theories about Alternate Time lines in general is that Every choice on everything leads to a divergent path, when you go right, there's a timeline where you went left instead,

[@Demolitiondude]

Dark age of technology my old friend.

[@godemperorofmankind7255]

HERESY!!!! THE INQUISITION SHALL EXTERMINATUS YOUR PLANET NOW WARP SPAWN!!

[@barrybend7189]

Use tachyon pulse and seal the Warhammer 40k universe in their home universe.

[@Demolitiondude]

Barry Bend problem is that 40k is in the far future.

[@barrybend7189]

Why do you think I said tachyon as it's the go to in star trek for temporal disturbances.

[@Demolitiondude]

Your best bet is isolating the warp.

[@commiecomrade2644]

I always saw the Vulcan invasion referenced by archer was a “history is written by the victors” situation.

[@googleuser7454]

I think it's implied as well with the way Archer responded. Humans either lied and indoctrinated the future generations to truly believe the Vulcans were invading or Terrans are so warped they can't fathom mutual exchange (though in the context of Enterprise it's interesting that there distrust in the prime timeline as well just not extreme)

[@necronustheeverchosen1994]

The First and Second Terran Empires were my first empires. In the First Terran Empire, I ruled over dozens of star systems. In the Second, I ruled over the ENTIRE Alpha and Beta Quadrants.

[@mattbristerpostma3742]

Fascinating stuff man. Love the video. I've read some goodies on the Mirror Universe. My favorite bits are its origins, its nature, and its resurgence following the Terran Rebellion. I love the idea that Cochrane and co. stormed the Vulcan ship and founded the Empire in fear of the Borg threat, which itself ties into another of my favorite Trek theories. The Terrans were really genocidally xenophobic, but only in cases where the conquered species had resisted integration into the Empire. The Vulcans, Tellerites, and Bolians all capitulated without a drawn out conflict. However, the Andorians, Kelpians, and Tholians vigorously and viciously resisted, which inspired elements of the other races to do the same. This led to brutal reprisals courtesy of the Empire. I love that the Empire was able to virtually annihilate the Klingons, and secure primacy over the alpha and beta quadrant before the Alliance took advantage of their reforming flux and overpowered them. Very cool man

[@PathsUnwritten]

Empires like the Klingons and Romulans, and even Terran Empire, require substantial manpower and resources dedicated to internal policing of their subjugated races. Both the Klingons and Romulans boast 'empires' essentially subduing and ruling over other species within their territories. To what extent these subject species are involved in their societies is never made made entirely clear, as far as I know. However, it's made pretty clear that they persevere through conquest and military intimidation of their subject species. The Federation has the advantages of the combined knowledge, personnel, and resources of all their member worlds and don't have to police themselves internally with their fleet. The Klingons and Romulans presumably would not have their advantages. Never have we seen non-Klingon or non-Romulan scientists or officers of any significance or number in their ranks. And to maintain these subject species would require considerable internal policing and monitoring of their technological development, I would think. With so much of their attention and resources, not to mention single-species manpower, needed internally, the fact that they can still manage to rival the Federation externally speaks very highly of their military might.

[@DrewLSsix]

PathsUnwritten. Thats not how it worked for the Spartans.

[@PathsUnwritten]

Mind explaining?

[@DrewLSsix]

PathsUnwritten. The spartan society was built on slavery, the majority of people were slaves with sometimes as few as a thousand actual Spartans at any one time. While they were said to be in constant fear of rebellion it never seemed to be a real threat to them and its not how they fell.

[@_Muzolf]

That a multicultural, multispecies entity would not need to allocate significant rescources to internal policing is a naive dream and nothing more. If Roddenberry wrote it, sure, but only because of word of god. Otherwise there are simply too many conflicting interests, differences in ethics and wordviews to the point that a militaristic entity ruling by fear has better chance of remaining stable as one who relies on compromise after compromise.

[@MrBottlecapBill]

I agree. If we use the UN on earth today as an example of The Federation, we can clearly see how fast things go south.

[@nomadnametab]

i would love seeing a mirror universe series. think of the possibilities. after being goodie two-shoes to see a badassed star fleet is most fascinating a concept. always liked the episodes of all the series that ventured over to the darkside.

[@JustSumGuy01]

I think it's something appealing with how the Terran Empire operated. In a lot of ways, it was what the idealized Klingon Empire is about. A very brutal but effective power. You don't adapt to other cultures, you conquer them and they become part of the empire, which is why it made sense with the first TOS episode of no racism from within humans and other races they have conquered. You are a citizen of the empire and anyone can rise to the top if you have ambitions of glory but above all, your goal is to the strength of the empire

[@voidkat4202]

That doesn't sound bad, however keep in mind that someone might have similar idea and thus competition and rivalry within the empire exist. Edit: Kinda like the Old Sith Empire, anyone can rise to the top.

[@JustSumGuy01]

@@voidkat4202 Well like all empires, one's own ambitions outweigh their patriotism

[@robertwimer]

It also depends on which cannon you're looking at. The book "Dark Mirror" gave a different account where the changes instituted by Spock were quickly stopped by Kirk and the empire grew where the Klingons surrendered, Romulous & Remus commited mass suicide and the empire expanded.

[@LoreReloaded]

I use alpha canon only..or try to.

[@charliemckellips]

I kinda pondered that when Cochran killed the Vulcans, that was the result of Picard destroying the Enterprise-E to destroy the Borg. The Enterprise crew followed orders to stay out of time's way, but too late and it had already been corrupted, so Cochran looked at the Vulcans as an attack. That would set forth the events we saw through ST: Enterprise.

[@TYNexus0717]

now here me out. is it possible there is a mirror kelvin timeline. although the split from prime timline happend at the distruction from the USS kelvin. what if in mirror spock still hellped the romulans resulting in the same events happening just with the ISS kelvin.

[@LoreReloaded]

I don't hate that idea

[@SouthwesternEagle]

The Terran Empire originating in America is extremely believable today.

[@dswynne]

I always thought that had the Borg and the Enterprise-E not going back in time to 2063, only then would the Terran Empire would be "born". Remember, Zephram Cochrane wasn't the altruistic engineer who invented the warp drive for the benefit of humankind. He wanted to make money. Coupled this with an unstable environment at that time, and you would have had a Terran Empire. Also, it would have been nice to see a proper Mirror Universe of DS9 and VOY, though, you sort of had that in VOY.

[@aaroncalhoun337]

That is why in the mirror universe they dont go back to 2063. The human race is enslaved by the 24th century.

[@STho205]

Mirror Mirror 1967/68 season was taken from the edited out material of City on the Edge of Forever. The Pirate Marauder Enterprise, in the original Ellison screenplay was what they beamed up to after the crewman that saved Edith in the past had changed the future. GR and DF took that out to shorten the story to one hour. They liked it so they saved it for an episode next season. Ellison originally wrote a two parter, but since GR had reworked The Cage footage as the two parter, the network didn't want another one. In 1967 there were NO season ending cliff hangers either in US TV. So this Mirror Mirror, as fiction, is produced by the Guardian due to free will, as an alternate universe or otherwise there is only one universe and one reality. Kirk comes to realign them back onto a Logical GR utopia path, but keep the adultery. GR liked the adultery. Every Mirror Mirror since then was fan service, and nothing more. Bizarro Superman Comics. Fun time for the actors, not having to play such still paragons every week.

[@STho205]

Edith Keillor didn't die in the 1930s. She convinces the US to be world pacifists and they lead a world movement to avoid WWII. Hitler and the Nazis had time to develop their nuclear program and with their V2 rockets they captured the world. ~Lt Cmdr Spock 2267 (1967+300 years)

[@sophiawilson8696]

that is alter time line not the Mirror Universe.

[@ekulzonum]

Hey LR, will you ever be taking a look at/debating the morals behind the death of Tuvix?

[@LoreReloaded]

Oh you mean the episode where Janeway killed a man who begged for his life and went to other crew members trying to ask them to vouch for him.. brought security and over rode the doctor to kill a man who could do both jobs? Yea, I'll be discussing that at some point ;)

[@ekulzonum]

Lore Reloaded Thank god, that whole episode fucked with me for awhile. Tuvix was an all around amazing/interesting character and while I do like both Tuvok and Neelix I felt Tuvix could have been far more useful in the long run

[@ekulzonum]

Lore Reloaded not to mention it was morally wrong all around, as they quite literally killed the guy despite his begging for his own survival

[@chrissonofpear3657]

The spider on her shoulder told her to...

[@patarryan7855]

When the hell are they going to do a startrek series based in the mirror univers

[@LoreReloaded]

I'd love to see that.

[@JustSumGuy01]

I'd rather not because of how Star Trek Discovery portrayed them.

[@patarryan7855]

@@JustSumGuy01 lets all pretend that discovery never happend, just like highlander 2

[@ManicMalcolm]

Just a thought, Have you ever considered there may be more than one "Mirror" universe? We have seen, multiple, (subjective), good ones, (eg, STNG S07E11 "Parallels") in the trekverse. so it stands to reason that there must be just as many "Mirror" ones . It may be that even if you have traveled to one of them before the next time you cross a dimensional barrier and find yourself in a " Mirror ", you may not be in the same one you last visited. This would explain inconsistencies.

[@177SCmaro]

I always thought it was pretty lazy of them to use the exact same ship models for the Terran Empire ships, like come on, at least throw some big canons on the thing or something like they did in Voyager "Living Witness". The idea that, in an alternate universe where humanity is very authoritarian and militaristic that the ships would be the exact same the peaceful Federation built for exploration is pretty silly. I think the TOS gets a pass because the show was pretty low-budget campy but shows like Enterprise where they just paint the hull yellow (some combination of red, white and blue, or if you really want to go full evil, a black and red motiff, would probably make a lot more sense, yellow/gold is usually associated with economic wealth, not political and military power). A missed opportunity to make some badass weaponized versions of the NX or Enterprise D (which I guess they kinda eventually did with the Galaxy X).

[@kirbymoffatt3641]

First they're far more interesting I'd like a mirror verse series

[@Brian0wns]

With how the Terran system is described it almost sounds like an alternate WW2 History where the Germans and Japanese won the war. Maybe in that universe you have a Man in High Castle situation where the western Hemisphere is basically cut in half by the Germans and the Japanese - and this is where a potential hybrid alliance was launched that eventually gave birth to the Terran Empire - and that is why it shows the western hemisphere.

[@doomguy912]

My head canon for the Mirror Universe outside of the episodes are basically the novels. In Sorrows of Empire, Spock turns the Empire into a Republic, and weakens it so that it can be taken over, leading to the events shown in DS9, where the novels Obsidian Alliances and Rise like Lions take place. I know the novels aren't considered canon, but i'd like to believe those novels are how the Mirror Universe turned out, since i do think that's how Spock would have seen it.

[@3haljordan]

I like the Mirror Universe because it is still basically a blank canvas and therefore open to unlimited stories and adventures.

[@alqu6375]

What I like about the Terran Empire: dose crazy dudes with beards and dem sexy midriff bad babes.

[@fearlessmash8717]

We are the borg resistance is preferred

[@forrestp33]

He SPILLED acid, he didn't DROP acid.

[@Callus1234]

Honestly the mirror universe episodes of Enterprise were my favorite episodes of that series. Imagine if the whole series was of the mirror universe, that would have been truly amazing

[@LoreReloaded]

It feels like any series that goes into the mirror universe does really well.. save for ds9 ;P

[@bird718]

the terran empire looks like fun and i wish they made a series or 5 about it

[@FC2Lantis]

Excellent video, though I would like to point out an in-universe flaw. With the Enterprise mirror universe episodes that obtain the U.S.S. Defiant, they have a jump start on 23rd century tech, yet when we go to the TOS Mirror Mirror episode, when we look at the I.S.S. Enterprise, we can see that it is an earlier Constitution design that we had seen from the Capt. Pike Prime Universe U.S.S. Enterprise. This would indicate that the Prime Universe would still have a slight technological edge.

[@lancep2002]

My Discovery/Mirror theory is that Lorca is mirror universe Lorca. Remember, he programmed the jump that took discovery into the MU. According to the latest episode Mirror Lorca tried to launch a coup against the Emperor. I think he hopped over to the Prime universe to steal some tech and pull a Sato style coup.

[@sophiawilson8696]

Their tech is the same level so that is not reason. Lorca wanted to be Emperor that why he made changes on the Discovery.

[@indyminded5473]

I have a theory. The Mirror Universe is a likely scenario if Colonel Greens ambition would have prevailed. Green was probably the first emperor.

[@sophiawilson8696]

Interesting but in some non-canon Cochrance is the first emperor. This is very good idea that mad man is the first Emperor (Colonel Greens the killer of 37 million people) in mirror universe.

[@indyminded5473]

After I finish my current screenplay I'm looking to write a pilot episode just for fun about the 21st century in the Star Trek universe. Green will be a main antagonist.

[@sophiawilson8696]

Good luck to you

[@vicarofrevelwood]

I think much earlier than that considering the Enterprise used a 40-gun frigate to represent the HMS Enterprise.

[@Keepingittocool]

I have a question for you since you mentioned first contact. After they did the warp jump to get noticed by the valcuns and turned around and went back to earth how did they get from the ship back onto land all they had was a cockpit there was no shuttle craft there was no transporter and just to get the ship into orbit they had to launch it from a missile silo. I didn’t see no landing gear so what did they do crash land the ship.

[@davidcasmero7102]

Starfleet was not done at the end of the best of both worlds. 39 starships did not represent all federation starships. What if the enterprise had rammed the cube at max warp? Likely the cube would have taken massive damage allowing time for the remaining federation ships to gather and engage a badly damaged cube along with the Klingon armada. Perhaps a group of say ten abandoned starships could be put on auto pilot and crash themselves and destroy the cube.

[@FireRevanShadow]

Nice Intro. Could there be multiple "Mirror Universes"? An Enterprise Mirror universe and a mirror universe that interacts with the prime? I don't watch discovery because I don't want to support that stupid subscription thing they got going on, so I don't know about Discovery Terran Empire. Also isn't it interesting that the Terran Empire got the USS Constitution and the empire didn't advance that technology (From a lore perspective, doesn't discovery interacting with the mirror universe mess up continuity? The original enterprise was the first to interact with the Terran empire)

[@LoreReloaded]

Thank you on intro.. It's my first phase of upping my game and seeming more professional..but keeping that 'discussion' feel. This format was inspired by Space Dock. Though I don't intend to go that channel's exact route. Someone presented an Idea I find intriguing.. that a Mirror Universe exists for every alternate universe. This would mean that the Mirror Universe we see in discovery is simply the mirror of the alternate non prime universe..which makes sense..if not confusing.

[@builder396]

Indeed there probably are. Most other Scifi (like Stargate) generally subscribe to the idea that alternate realities are practically infinite in number and variation, even Trek in the episode "Parallels" goes that way, and it lends itself to the assumption that the mirror universe is just another quantum reality (term used in Parallels). The general idea though seems to be that this particular mirror universe is the one people more commonly cross into by accident because ever since the Tholian kidnapped the Defiant from the prime universe it weakened the border between these two specific universes.

[@sophiawilson8696]

there is one Mirror Universe that Terran Empire is still going until 28th.

[@Justme42yay]

If there is one alternate timeline it seems logical that there could be an infinite number of timelines.

[@builder396]

Timeline and alternate/mirror universes are different things.

[@t.e.650]

My opinion was always that the splitting point of prime and mirror universe was first contact, in prime influanced by the tng crew, in mirror without any influances from any other timeline

[@aaroncalhoun337]

That is what I thought. No Ricker Or Laforge to influence him. It would make sense that he wpuld have that attitude about life without that influence. He just lived threw a world war where 300 million died! If this is true you can thank the Borg for the federation!

[@freequest]

Remeber seeing a episode of TOS where they went back in time but into a alternate timeline and even though everything was modern it was as if the Roman empire never died out. So at least that long.

[@SuperVideowatcher01]

I’m curious about weather or not there’s a Teran Empire in the Kalve Time line. We know that the Romulan ship that altered the time lines was from the Prime Universe, but would anything like that happen if the Empire was running things?

[@LTDLimiTeD1995]

I once heard the idea that the Terran Empire universe/timeline was created by the events of City on the Edge of Forever.

[@CommodoreFloopjack78]

Upon digging a bit further, I came to find that the Terran Empire was actually the result of a conglomeration of Disney, Wal-Mart and Amazon. You can Google that, by the way.

[@meris8486]

I wonder if the Empress from discovery (Philippa Georgiou) is a descendant of Hoshi Sato the officer who staged a coup and took control of the Defiant in the enterprise mirror universe episode.

[@Zackrobotheart]

I REALLY want to see the mcCoy drops acid episode now.

[@TommygunNG]

Why didn't the NX Enterprise have Vulcan shields rather than ionized hull plating? (An oopsie in the writing of ENT Mirror ep.)

[@Paul-A01]

2:10 The possibility that is just propaganda has to be accounted for. Of course the empire would exaggerate how long it's been around.

[@thehillbillygamer2183]

Zefram Cochrane used Vulcan technology to quickly conquer the rest of the world and it's crippled state it was not hard and he became the first Terran emperor Cochran line of emperors

[@jackleg2007]

I was wondering what happened to Khan in the mirror universe.

[@Edd25164605]

I like that huff a 4:25. Its like the writers decided 'hey, how about we change our symbol to only show the American continent instead of the whole world', Inferring somehow America was the centre of the world.

[@faithwaipouri8472]

what happened to first contact & how did man become the most feared species in the galaxy also considering the time line difference, why wasn't discoveries space jumps incorporated in to the future federation,

[@randomaccount-dq1jq]

I just find it a surprise that the change in the Kelvin for STD turns humans to eating non human humanoid meat in the STD Terran universe as the biggest change

[@josephperkins4080]

🤔I wonder how a Terran Empire vs Dominion War would go

[@googleuser7454]

Dominion might win by playing against the Terrans treachery by using changelings. Terrans also might not have the advantage of other powers and factions to help fight

[@Nemoticon]

I love how the 'mirror version' of ourselves insists on making a distinction between 'goodies and baddies' and the originals are always the goodies!!!! Such a wonderfully naive and simple outlook on story telling. "Why are they evil?" "Because they're wearing black clothes and are capitolists" "But we like black clothes and we are capitolists!" "Shhhhhh....... we're not suppose to admit that, we're the 'heroes'!"

[@thschnick]

Long Live the Empire!

[@vicarofrevelwood]

Terra Firma!

[@tsloan5916]

Is it bad that the idea of a supreme human empire sounds kinda cool, where humans are the dominants

[@ParagonRex]

Didn't IDW just publish a comic from the Mirror Universe that takes place during TNG that shows Picard and the Remnants of the Empire in the Sol System. While reduced not defeated, so the Empire does exist during the TNG period. Not sure if it is canon or not though.

[@LoreReloaded]

+ParagonRex Comics aren't considered Canon at the moment

[@ParagonRex]

Thanks for the clarification, I never know one way or the other.

[@LoreReloaded]

Yea, and Trek specifically doesn't make it easy..whats canon can be down to whims.. Say what you want about Star Wars - but they make it clear what is and isn't canon.

[@ParagonRex]

Indeed, with Roddenberry at the helm there is no defining voice to guide the franchise, hence the murky mess that was the last film and the shaky start of this series.

[@trajan74]

Perhaps NA was the center of the map because it was founded by Zefram Cochrane. He had the Vulcan ship and humanity's first warp ship. He could set the rules at that point. And tell me those female officer uniforms aren't something he'd have come up with. Maybe that's what Cochrane was like and it was only his interactions with the E-E crew preparing him for first contact that he decided to shake hands instead of shoot.

[@jonathangoode546]

In STAR TREK TOS the Vulcans & humans became allies how did that take place .

[@LoreReloaded]

The vulcans ultimately , after being conquered, probably worked their way back up

[@LoreReloaded]

If you meant in the mirror universe :p

[@sophiawilson8696]

There is fiction story that T-Pol from Enterprise and Hosti the Empress made deal to bring in the Vulcans has equal status.

[@samuelbarber4154]

It's possible that in this alternate timeline the Romans conquered the entire globe, and for some reason renamed themselves to the Terran Empire. Branding? Just the use of the word "Terra" and the originally Roman salute that Hitler decided he'd use, another possible alternate is that Terra prime had come to be far sooner than it had in Enterprise, and the Vulcans had made First Contact long before they had in the movie. So one possible route is: Towards the eleventh century, the Romans conquer and enslave the globe, rebranding to the Terran Empire, they advance exponentially quicker than we did, drawing attention from the Vulcans, say around the 1500s, Vulcans make first contact, and the humans overrun them, and begin working on space.

[@GreenspudTrades]

STD is not canon. It could be that there are multiple mirror universes, and the TOS, DS9, and ENT encounters were all with different iterations of a mirror universe. That could explain how characters end up being the same on both sides rather than diverging because different people get born over time...

[@jonnajohnsons2684]

Did the mirror universe have holodecks

[@chairborneranger1]

U should check out the book trilogy written by William Shatner beginning with spector. Its a great story line involving the mirror universe and the prime universe. They also fill in the gaps of the terran empire history

[@promnightdumpsterbaby9553]

The terran empire has promise....^^

[@googleuser7454]

Terrans are a great mirror to the Federation. Even with the brutality, they still achieved an advanced society with cunning and intelligence. A lot of great stories

[@theautisticveteran2466]

The Terran Empire is similarly sinister to the Clans of Battletech. Both are war like, and reward competency... What constitutes competency is different for both, but, it is intriguing.

[@marcuswalker3056]

Only to be replaced by the alliance

[@LoreReloaded]

indeed

[@peteramaranth85]

I think there's a mirror universe that interacts with prime, being a few years behind and ones that alternative reality's of that univers

[@thepoliticalstartrek]

You can also see the intro to Enterprise they swap the sailing ship out. The normal intro uses the 1848 cutter unarmed Enterprise. The Terren Empire intro shows a 44 gun Battleship from 1804. So you can say the Empire is at least as far back as 1848.

[@LoreReloaded]

indeed

[@rexracer3221]

The Mirror Universe Empire could have it's beginning in a more brutal British Empire, especially IF that Empire retained it's American Colonies. The vast resources of North America coupled with the mighty British military could have Conquered the Earth. Their role model then would have been a Second Roman Empire, centered upon the English speaking Countries. This would also explain Mirror Universe Archer talking about an Empire that has endured for centuries. IF it was a Roman Empire that never fell, it would be far older than that.

[@sophiawilson8696]

I have seen evidence that Terran Empire start with British Empire, but I always lead on it based on Rome Empire. That it never fall in that universe.

[@sophiawilson8696]

Yes you are RIGHT Archer did said it started as political party in 1955 maybe it form a right wing party from the Rome Empire.

[@myself2noone]

That seems unlikely as the British Empire eventually gave up being an empire. Mostly willingly. The devation couldn't happen basically anywhere past the enlightenment.

[@generaluser5378]

I would like to see a Mirror Universe where EVERYTHING was it's opposite. Vulcans who celebrate irrational revelry. Klingon as a race of hippies. Cardassians who embrace democracy and peaceful coexistence. Etc.

[@generaluser5378]

And the the whole galaxy living under the threat of the ultimate individualists: the Borg!

[@benjamin5028]

I want to see Star trek series based in the Terran Empire. I believe it started with the Roman Empire based introduction and Full name of the Emperor in Star Trek Discovery.

[@thefurrybstard1964]

It is also possible, actually more like probable that The Terran Empire depicted in each Star Trek show was likely a different Universe.

[@SuperAerie]

Some aliens without weapons landing their ships just to wave? Yeah that is one helluva gift for humanity. The empire however did a huge mistake in expanding too fast after figuring out and reverse-engineered the tech.

[@samuelbarber4154]

Well if it's Mirror, than how is it parallel?

[@uncletaylorify]

Always wondered if normal nonmilitary folks are the same in the Empire? For example.....I'm a normal Joe working at the warp core factory churning out parts for the Imperial fleet. I don't like my boss.......so can I kill him and then I become the boss?

[@LoreReloaded]

+uncletaylorify haha ..well we know that spocks reforms were massively popular which makes think the terran populace perhaps lived under an opressive military

[@LoreReloaded]

+uncletaylorify haha ..well we know that spocks reforms were massively popular which makes think the terran populace perhaps lived under an opressive military

[@peterfmodel]

The problem with all of this is each time we see the terrain empire, the writers want to recreate it. This is most evident in the discovery version of the terrain empire, but then as Discovery seems to want to rewrite all of startrek, i suppose this is not surprising. Even Gene rewrote a bit of startrek when he came up with the Next generation. The biggest re-write, apart from discovery, is Zefram Cochrane, who in Methamorphosis displays no relationship to his version in Star Trek First contact. I always feel that if a writer wants to do something different, they need to create their own universe rather than take an existing one and twist it to suit themselves. I would love it if someone took the first 3 seasons of startrek and created a canon based soley on it, then applying all the rest of the series AS LONG AS IT DID NOT AFFECT THE ORIGINAL CANON. I suspect a lot of what we consider canon today would need to be removed.

[@LoreReloaded]

I'd say ds9 shows a lot as well..

[@RichardBrennan46]

Awesome 👍😎

[@leto-nl]

ive seen the org series episode and the ds9 episodes about the terran empire but not the discovery ones wich discorvery episodes do i need to watch for it ?

[@punkrockpub]

I read somewhere that the ROMULAN REPUBLIC was a huge threat to our beloved TERRAN EMPIRE! I wish that I had more to share on that point.

[@sophiawilson8696]

in an other reality the Romulan Republic made the humans and Vulcans into slavers under it rule but together they broke free and vow never again made the Terran Empire.

[@jonbravo8610]

i would say that if WW2 would have turned out different is where the Terran Empire comes from

[@starwraithspacemarine8605]

I like the MACOs of the Terran empire.

[@casbot71]

There would also have to be a strange attractor between the prime and the mirror universes, with the mirror universes somehow being dragged by the prime or a reflection of the prime. Because if they were seperate universes then the next generation of people would be completely different as the circumstances of their conception would be different due to random events. Different people die, meet, reproduce together in different situations and with different number of thrust before ejaculation (to get pedantic) so that means different genetic combinations.

[@chairborneranger1]

U would agree with me that they should make it into a star trek series. Great story

[@grahamturner1290]

Time for reflection. 🖖

[@kevlarchicken]

i would have loved to see a mirror universe series based after ds9

[@loreenec8045]

I think the Terran Empire is Star Trek Discoveries way of reflecting on the extremes going on in the world today where one race is considered superior to all others.

[@jpasby779]

I think Discovery I mean STD should be left out of the conversation as they are not part of the Prime Time Line in the first place.

[@sophiawilson8696]

My theory is that a Group or someone went back time introduce a lot advance teleology way too early the humans meet the Vulcans in the 1900's or early in the 20th. In the STO they meet the Vulcans in 2063 but it is suggest the Vulcans knew about the humans way before that.