Confirmed Changes for the New Edition of Kill Team

[@HB2K-h8m]

For the love of the four armed god, give us a bespoke hive fleet team!

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

One day 🥲

[@humbertoharo6840]

I just realized, with the removal of the compendium teams tyranids wont have a playable team anymore

[@uwesca6263]

My bet is winged tyranidnwarriors vs stormboyz for an extension.

[@donaldhavasy2356]

Two genestealer teams but yeah. I find it to be a shame there are two dwarves, which are super cool and I own salvagers. But still, nids and necrons both been around longer. Necrons could use a second team as well.

[@quentinmims9400]

@@humbertoharo6840I am sad because Warpcoven was my main team

[@b.antenor]

Hopefully they release more white dwarf or free Kill Teams akin to Intercession Squad to make up for the compedium teams that were still player frequently like Custodes and Hive Fleet

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

I think we'll get more free teams but no WD sadly

[@GundamReviver]

Honestly since the kommando boy they showed wasn't really different, wouldn't be surprised if you can just still use compendium teams, even if GW doesn't outright support it

[@40kpunk45]

@@CanYouRollaCritwhy don’t you think WD would do teams again?

[@donaldhavasy2356]

Yes more white dwarf would be cool. I’m building hunter blade and wyrmblade right now and unlike hyrotek all my models are usable in 40k and KT

[@jesta7837]

I hope they'll let me use my Deathwatch Kill team, for this edition of Kill team.

[@ianbabcock6802]

I’m actually pretty sad about the compendium going away. My second team was the Tyranids. Hopefully they’ll prioritize getting teams to factions that don’t have any yet.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

I'm sure they would, hopefully

[@Axiom125]

I wouldn't hold my breath... But I am sure we'll get some more guard like teams. (But we can dream for more)

[@quentinmims9400]

I am right their with you Warpcoven and Tempests Scion where my two main teams

[@hummusstatoton8681]

awe my bloodletters I painted them so well!

[@DPryce]

RIP my Death Guard kill team, you served me well

[@Goseph_Joebbels]

Run it as Nurgle legionaries

[@DPryce]

@@Goseph_Joebbels I mean yeah you're right, but I'm gonna miss that +5 fnp

[@YouKnowWhereYouAre]

Having only just bought and painted Hernkyn Jaegirs recently and only 4 games of Kill Team 2022 behind me I'm super stoked for the new boxset and rules. Vespids likely getting painted first as I have all the necessary paints as well (painted my Jaegirs Trans-Hyperian). Picked a damn good time to get back into the hobby!

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Ooooh sounds great, yeah an awesome time to start!

[@rosspowell4446]

Ok this is nice to see that the apocalyptic predictions were mostly wrong

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yup, almost as if spinning them as fact was a bad idea 😂

[@Davice0512]

losing compendium (which I did expect) makes their choice to release secondary teams for certain groups even stupider. So now kill team has no demon team actual demon team, no custodies, and more surprisingly no tyrranids. None of that makes sense to me. It really seems like a boneheaded move to just lose all of them while giving us the like 8th guard like team.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

While the choice of bespoke factions has been odd and some compendium teams going is a shame, it wasn't too surprising

[@auracle6184]

Blows my mind that there wasn't a Tyranid KT to coincide with 40k 10th edition, what a weird missed opportunity

[@livanbard]

​@@auracle6184indeed like a Terminators and nids team was so obvious I could taste it lol

[@PolBlanesCebrian]

To be fair, most of the more regular compendium teams like Tyrannids and demons fit better as single player / co-op enemies. Maybe they come up with an interesting Tyrannid KT but it won't really feel like a genestealer swarm would.

[@auracle6184]

@@livanbard Maybe the KT3 starter box 👀

[@WiseWickerman]

Great vid, thanks for the summary! Loving the content Apologies, but I have to mention that "Bespoke" is not two separate words!

[@artificeralf]

Picked up the Ork Kommandos earlier in spring. After getting them assembled and customizing the bases, I just started painting stuff. Really hoping to get some friends into the game to try out it out, as I'm really excited to start playing with the new edition.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Ah hopefully should be able to as the new edition looks like it's easier to get into

[@owlobsidian6965]

I play solo since I don't know anyone else that plays. It's actually a lot of fun.

[@jonasbarka]

From what's been revealed, the changes sounds good. The one thing I'm not completely sold on is no equipment points.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

I'm 50/50 on new equipment but hopeful aha

[@bziebzie]

from what I understand is that only the general equipment will not have points. The KT specific might still have it.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Nah it'll all be without points imo

[@humbertoharo6840]

​@@CanYouRollaCritthen hiw will it work? A set number of equipment?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

I think so?

[@frki3238]

No more Cadre Mecenary!! *flips table* Jokes aside compendium was on the way out, but going to use these models as NPO's, my friends will not escape the Talons. Thank god the shapes are gone, I only got into kill team a few months back and the shapes never took to me. Hope that with the number change there are more diverse movement profiles across the game. No more group activation and defence on unit datacards, makes me curios how those are gonna work and all the rules tied to these characteristics. Glad Gellerpox are still around :D but I am curios how they will be counted for the kill op, killing a glitchling and a nightmare hulk is not the same amount of effort. That community assistance denial was quite fast... I will reserve judgement for now. Overall looking good so far and can't wait for more. Thank you for the concise update and overview.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

No worries! Yeah I'm so hyped now haha but will be interesting to see how Gpox work

[@IgnacioGlezCllo]

Man, I'm just getting into KT, and my son was angling for a Cadre Mercenary and I've just finished building a basic Intercession squad..... I guess we can keep playing them, with 'old' rules!? while we get to grips with all of it at least .....

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

@IgnacioGlezCllo Intercession will be fine imo

[@patrickdunham9490]

The clarification on existing Kill Teams is a real weight off. On the other hand, it does mean I do still need to get about four boxes worth built and painted for the new edition. There was part of me that thought I might be getting out of all that work with KT2024. : p

[@gataer1645]

Love the news about compendium considering I just finished my chaos daemons team

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

I'm painting daemons too 😅

[@40kpunk45]

@@gataer1645 small consolation I know but they’d be perfect as NPOs in the coop / solo mode

[@gataer1645]

@@40kpunk45 very fair

[@AshenClowder]

Really Hype for all of the changes! Can't wait to try out the co-op! less hype about how hard this starter set will probably be to get....

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Coop sounds like lots of fun, hopefully everyone can get Hivestorm 😅

[@kaptain187]

"They have asked people from the community to help... but not me!" .... two weeks later the Doomruin expansion get's announced and it's randomly set in a jungle. ;)

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Doomruin is the future 👀

[@johannesfaust4167]

No compendium teams is a bummer - especially since only few compendium teams do have a boxed equivalent.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah, shpuld hopefully get bespoke replacements

[@HandsWithLegs]

I’m going to be so bummed if chaos cult goes. I’ve put so much work into mine and won painting awards for them, even if I’m awful with them I really do love them

[@40kpunk45]

@@HandsWithLegs small consolation I know but they’ll make perfect NPOs in the new coop and solo play mode. There’s also a detachment for chaos cultists in the new boarding actions book if you fancy painting more of them and trying that. That’s if they go but all the guesses seem to be it’s inquisition and cults perhaps going.

[@Badbufon]

very hyped about the new edition, let's see for how long the "free rules" stay as such. as for the compendium kill teams, it seem that they will be easily convertible to 3rd for casual play as most stats seem to remain the same. i like that

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

I think they'll all stay free imo as KT just suits free rules more

[@turningpointzerosawyr]

I'm not crying for the death of my daemons. Nope. Not at all.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Poor Daemons );

[@PolBlanesCebrian]

Don't worry, you can still use them as single player / co-op enemies surely!

[@brandonzoroark62599]

Are Warp Coven fine? I am assuming they are, but they only mentioned the two teams for Kill Team Annual 2021.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

They're in that annual so will be fine

[@piotriniodel5249]

Rest in peace custodes 😢

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

RIPstodes

[@piotriniodel5249]

@@CanYouRollaCrit sisters in silence

[@GrimSeraph9253]

@@piotriniodel5249 sisters of silence can be taken with inquisition (who came in a box set) they'll be fine, the stodes will likely be in the 3rd ed compendium, calling it now.

[@Alvadar65]

Dude, wtf. I just decided to get into kill team and decided to play Death Guard from the compendium. I just finished building them and now they are saying that they are abandoning them? Fucks sake. I dont want to play legionaries with marks of nurgle I just wanted to play Death Guard... Edit* Plus on top of this I spent the extra money on extra boxes to make sure I had one of everything for that kill team, and now its just money down the drain. Fucking shit. Plus I highly doubt id get a Deathguard bespoke team, id just get told to play legionaries, and even if they did id have to buy new fucking models all over again. Just makes me wanna cut my losses and not bother

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Just unfortunate timing sadly, compendium teams haven't had support for over 2 years currently 😅

[@Alvadar65]

@@CanYouRollaCrit No clue how I was supposed to know that going in or if that even mattered. On top of this I spent the extra money on extra boxes to make sure I had one of everything for that kill team, and now its just money down the drain. Fucking shit. Plus I highly doubt id get a Deathguard bespoke team, id just get told to play legionaries, and even if they did id have to buy new fucking models all over again. Just makes me wanna cut my losses and not bother

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Death Guard might get a team this new season, most DG specialists actually easyily port over as Legionary or Night Lords imo (Nemesis Claw)

[@Alvadar65]

@@CanYouRollaCrit As I said, I really didnt want to just play Legionaries with marks of Nurgle, feels like a shitty compromise and like I would have to gimp myself to play the theme I wanted. That isnt to say if I would even have the right models for it now or if I would have to buy yet more. I appreciate you are trying to be helpful and its obviously not your fault this has happened, I just feel frustrated, defeated and out of pocket.

[@steelowen]

I know it must be frustrating man, at least you can always play the old addition and you could probably adapt the death guard rules in casual play no problem. Compendium was always a stop gap so I bit of research before hand as well would have avoided you feeling like you have missed out. On the bright side you have some cool death guard models. I know you didn't want to run them as nurgle marked but if you ever play in tournaments at least you have an option unlike other compendium teams.

[@ancientmariner9460]

I haven't been so excited since I've bought my Kriegsters. Especially for free rules + teams rules, I just can't get my Octarius book... That's huge.👍

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah it's great

[@JoshMC2000]

Hopefully if the compendium is dead it will force them to sort out teams for the factions missing options. either that or drip feed them rules in white dwarf or something

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah agreed

[@mykeycuento5576]

Salute to the Talons! Loved them! But I embrace all the changes for 3E!

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Evolve or die haha. Will miss custodes tho

[@alt4g]

My initial reaction was "GW is that really you, why are the rules changes good?"

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

They keep hitting it out of the park!

[@humbertoharo6840]

As long as it isnt 40k or horus heresy the rules team is generally doing a very good job.

[@alt4g]

@@humbertoharo6840 there's an internal balance issue in AoS where some factions got extremely bare bones and boring rules while others got really good and fun rules

[@GuntherCloneC]

I'm also excited, but I've stopped all building and painting for Kill Team until I see what the force organization looks like. I don't want to build and paint minis that I cannot use. I'm sad we lost Deathwatch, but this makes it more likely that Kill Team Cassius might become a bespoke team! Can you imagine? :-P

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Ah I'd very much doubt the last part sadly

[@mrawesomesocks418]

*cries in Custodes*

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Sad bananabro noises

[@JohnnyilRosso]

What do you think about Strike Force Justian? Will It be updated? It always has been problematic with rules for that team😂

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

I think they'll be fine

[@OlafKievit]

Thanks for the analysis - I missed some of that when reading and watching myself, interesting points, sounding better again. Inquisition going away??? Noooo.....

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

They might go 😅

[@livanbard]

Yay exactly what we expected from new edition less teams. But anyays the compedium teams were very undercooked from the start. But now they need to fill certain holes on the rooster: Actual Nids, Demons and Talons. Finally I think there is way too much Imperial Guard teams. Like the should take a break and do other humans if they must

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

I don't think we need Daemons or Custodes but more Nids would be nice

[@zock1056]

Thank nurgle that gellerpox is staying i had just bought them before i heard rumors about them getting the boot

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah we Gpox bros living lifeee

[@sergiodemiguelorta9690]

@@CanYouRollaCrit So Gellerpox is the only Nurgle team?, what about plague marines? :(

[@swells1]

I'm hyped as well. I just hope GW makes enough copies so I can actually buy one.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Same 😅

[@TheJustym249]

Just finished painting my hivefleet team, bummed out hearing they won’t have a team any more

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah it's unfortunate sadly

[@carlosburmester9435]

omg im so relieved that my phobos and corsairs are safe... but are hunter clade safe too? Like white dwarf teams aren't box set per se

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Article covers that Clade are fine

[@cygnusereve4779]

I bought a box of 5 Grey Knight Terminators as a proxy for Talons of the Empreror (4 Custodes). 😢

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Grey pain

[@jakelees855]

So what I’m picking up is to transition into this new version of kill team I’ll just need to pick up the new box of the existing kill teams? Also is the release date for these boxes confirmed yet?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

No, all rules will be free online

[@40kpunk45]

Great news most teams staying… hype for new edition. Like the idea of the new scoring and generic equipment all teams can take.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah sounds really interesting

[@mykepantera1228]

Does the 32 Number at the lower right corner of the datasheet mean we'll get points per models and actual team building? Or just the page number?!

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Page number, no return to points ever which is amazing

[@humbertoharo6840]

@@CanYouRollaCrit isnt base size more likely?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Oooh good point

[@neeeeeeeek9]

will they keep wyrmblade? 😢😢😢 they didnt mention keeping the WD teams if not, hope they release a boxed set of those alongside their rules

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

WB should be fine as they were in the 2021 annual

[@retnuHDJ]

I don't understand how equipment points being removed will work. Faction equipment is balanced by how many points each bit of equipment works.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah we'll have to see how it works as a whole

[@notnotaskavenyesyes7187]

So the necron models in the last box are now unusable in kill team? That tracks

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

What do you mean? Hierotek Circle are fine

[@oxidbe]

Not sure on how the equipment is going to work, im not too happy about it. Also i am curios on how they are going to handle defence since the stat is gone.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Why? Equipment looks a lot bettet so far Probably everyone has 3 defence?

[@Insainity33]

I dont think any of us are playing any bespoke teams in my circle. Some of them cant even be bought anymore like the Mandrakes and Night Lords. We are quite new to it as well. Nothing from GW fits together well. Are we waiting 10 more years for all old compenduim teams to get new boxes and rules? id rather just ignore any new changes here tbf

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Mandrakes and Night Lords are likely coming with the new edition as new boxes have QR codes for free rules

[@mattvucu6706]

Why wouldn’t they get you involved? Seems dumb of them. Maybe they only get TOs involved… the kill tally change is very similar to what the KT2018 TOs implemented on their own to make that game less solved

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

It's...complicated 😅

[@uwesca6263]

So death watch, grey knights, custodes, demons, Death guard (kinda), world eaters(kinda) and tyranids are lacking any teams right now. I hope they change that. Also i hope we get the darktide killteam with traitor guard + poxwalkers rules.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Ah I doubt we'll get a darktide KT as that's basically Blooded

[@uwesca6263]

@@CanYouRollaCrit would still be cool to get a nurgle spin on them. The traitors could be range only, poxwalker as only melee operatives. Adding some special rules for all of them like a plague flamer that turn it victims into zombies or whatever. We have the models and most of the rules an i guess you can come up with funny and fluffy rules within a day for the entire team.

[@ChaseTheChamp11]

Hey a bunch of the White Dwarf teams made it!

[@dr.michaelmarx3085]

What about getting digital rules for a team you already have? That seems kind of iffy if I have to buy an entire new box for it.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

The rules will be available online regardless if you own teams or not, just helps new people buying in

[@stevebarnett-f5o]

What about AdMek??

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Which one

[@archiecomel3735]

Maybe a stupid question. I believe Hunter Clade are a white dwarf team, but they're not a box. So are they considered compendium or boutique?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

They're fine as they're in the 2021 Annual

[@johndemorris7388]

I'm all for a revised and updated rulebook. The KT21 rulebook was a train wreck. Unclear language, poor organization and a miserable tool for learning the game. My wish for the new edition is a Deathguard KT based on the Space Marien Heroes collectible series like Strike Force Justian. KT needs a DG team somewhere.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah hopefully the new rulebook is better, that'd be interesting for DG

[@HB2K-h8m]

@@johndemorris7388 It was so hard to find rules in that book. My big hope is the new KT app is searchable like the 40k app. That's a godsend.

[@greydeathangel]

I'm kinda sad to see that some of those Compendium teams are going to the dustbin. Deathwatch (funny that their kit is called Deathwatch KILLTEAM Veterans), Firstborn, Gravis, GreyKnights, Sisters in armor, Talons, Deathguard, Daemons, Non-Aspect Aeldari, Wyches, Non-Kommando Orks, Firewarriors, stealthsuits, Tyranids as a whole. What teams could we see replace these loses, if any. It is annoying that they first destroy my Watch army in 10th by removing all but a few options, and now I can't even play them in Killteam.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah Deathwatch got hit pretty hard overall

[@AndrewAtherton-c3f]

So can I not play tyranid genestealers anymore 😢?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Not in main KT, unfortunately

[@defeatedhusband1593]

Well... My (Compendium Scions rules) Eversor Execution Squad is officially dead unless the grounded Scions get rules.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Doubt ground Scions get rules

[@powrongster]

I only hope GW makes enough

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Same 🥲

[@jonathanj.7549]

Does this mean I can't play with a compendium team? What about people that run teams like Custodes?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

They'll have to move onto bespoke teams which will all have free rules

[@jonathanj.7549]

@CanYouRollaCrit so what do I use my hive fleet for :,(

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Not sure tbh

[@hoshi314]

after Guards.... just pause doing Imperium Kill Teams for a bit will ya? unless you are doing GK or Custodes bespoked i think there are other factions that needs a new flavor

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

I'd be hyped for a Catachan team tbh

[@mtbal5913]

So what about my genestelaers now ?!?! I finally painted them ….

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

They'll be good for coop/solo play

[@DoomStarRequiem]

I hope that app is free. Or at least has reasonably priced purchases. 🤞🏼🤞🏼

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Hopefully is free!

[@Goseph_Joebbels]

That sucks i just bought some pink horrers at least i didnt get the blue at the same time

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Useful for maybe coop?

[@rossalexander4772]

Compendium out is as expected, equipment all being the same cost is a nice streamline but could lead to a lot of completely useless equipment. Very interested to see where that comms array token comes into play

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah I'm super hyped to see what happens with equipment, I need to know! 😂

[@SinnerBeta]

Poor deathwatch.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

First 40k then thisss

[@40kpunk45]

@@SinnerBeta poor poor deathwatch

[@TheMag1cWalrus]

But I love my compendium :(

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Same ):

[@joshwright3217]

Please don’t tell me chaos cult is going away it took me like 3 months to build and paint that

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

It's unlikely they may stay with no KT box

[@joshwright3217]

Well I’ll be sad to see them go but I’m still excited for the new edition can’t wait to get the new scions

[@an0nycat]

Kill Team without DeathWatch Kill Team now 🤔🤔

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

They weren't really used to begin with

[@horuslupercal9936]

The whole "no list building" theme turns me off. I wish theyd offer it as an optional way to play.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Nah list building sucks

[@kiltman1961]

I've purchased a compendium, so I'm not told what team I have to build. I'm a solo player, so... It's shame, they think we must play the way they want us to. If you're playing tournaments, I can see why you would want to control some things.

[@earnestwanderer2471]

Death Guard... Legionary or Night Lords? Seeming Night Lords is the better team, but doesn’t really scream Nurgle to me.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Then Nurgle Legionary would be better

[@Steve_Keen]

So the Kill Score *is* always on, eh? :)

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Seems so 👀

[@ndeclercq74]

@@CanYouRollaCrit It seems to me that you secretly choose one of the 3 possible Ops (Tac op, Kill op, Crit op) as your Primary Op. You also select a secret Tac ops.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah so all 3 are active but 1 of em is the one you want to score more from

[@ndeclercq74]

@@CanYouRollaCrit ok, i wasn't sure

[@prestonpowell9222]

So I have to buy my teams over again if I want the code for my rules in the app just like 40k. Fuck that, it's wahapedia for me 😅

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

That's...not going to be needed. All rules will be free on Warcom too

[@treybaker5440]

I'm not convinced the shapes are gone entirely. Look closer at the token sheet.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

GW said they are gone. Several times

[@treybaker5440]

We'll see... *Tightens tin foil hat*

[@citizendisco]

Phew. Nothing scary here. I bet we can homebrew compendium team rules for casual play if need be.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah should be easy enough to do imo

[@Jharlax]

Be ownest have you played KT 3 😂? Cmon you can tell us screw the NDA.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Deffo not me aha

[@Jharlax]

Said 😢 you would have deserved this. Haja on the bright side... more to look forward to.. 😅

[@scottperkins5038]

I expected bespoke teams to go away but it sucks for the factions that dont have one like nids or god specific chaos space marines.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Nah Bespoke weren't going

[@athan336]

they just killed 3rd edition if all the compendium armies are gone, deathwatch only works in kill team not 40k, and i cant play necrons anymore

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

- Compendium has had no support for over 2 years currently - Deathwatch are slowly being removed by GW as a whole - Hierotek Circle are a Necron Bespoke team Coupled with all rules being free, I think 3rd edition will do great (especially as compendium factions made up around 10% over the overall playerbase at most)

[@jacobbyrnes8256]

Any word on rather or not white dwarf teams are getting axed Asking as someone who enjoys wyrmblade

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

They were in the 2021 annual, so as per the article, should be fine