Conflict Avoidance for the Defensive Shooter

[@williambarnette1049]

Chief as a deadly force survivor, this is one of your best videos. I knew as every LEO knows when you mark on duty it could happen, but you hope it doesn’t. It’s not like the movies or videos and even if you win you don’t really win. I was wounded and had to take a human life. 30 years later I still deal with both parts. Again Chief this video needed to be made and discussed. Thank you for it.

[@hrfunk]

You're welcome William. I'm glad you came out on the good side of that conflict.

[@lavida57]

Sorry you had to deal with that. Thank you for your service to us. We need you and all your Brothers and Sisters.

[@roykiefer7713]

First, I appreciate your service and your courage. Second, please know that a LOT of (current and former) law enforcement and military personnel absolutely understand your feelings and, I am sure we all have great respect for them . . . and for you.

[@williambarnette1049]

@@roykiefer7713 thanks very much that reply was very kind of you

[@oldcop18]

@@hrfunk My hat’s off to you sir, excellent topic & presentation. I was in a 1974 gunfight that took the life of one officer & I was forced to take the life of the suspect after reloading my issued Colt DS under fire. Even though a lot of time has passed, and I’m an old man now, I can still relive the event like it was yesterday. Absolutely nothing comes close to the real thing and I can’t think of a single reason to wish this experience on anyone. Thanks for what you do, this is a discussion long overdue.

[@BirdDogey1]

Taught to me at the Los Angeles Sheriffs Academy in 1989. If it's not your life, your wife or your kids...be a good witness. I never shot a suspect in roughly 2 decades on the streets of shaky neighborhoods. Legally, I could have shot several people. I found a way to avoid it. As a civilian, I have a great appreciation for the ramifications of a shooting even if the facts are all on your side.

[@Blueh36]

If you were in a situation where deadly force was needed, you'd have used it you couldn't avoid it. Either you're lying or you were useless on the streets. Got others to cover your behind.

[@woodrow1037]

Excellent topic. As a former LEO (retired)i know we didn't always have the option of where or when we went. As civilians it is very important to think about when and where we go. Maybe even more important who we decide who we select as friends. As a friend once said. Obey the rules of stupid. Don't go to stupid places, at stupid times, with stupid people. Blessings brother

[@johnochicago8457]

That's getting harder to do now. Large cities are seeing armed robberies in great neighborhoods and the burbs. Danger travels more now. I guess there is no safe places left here.

[@raymondweaver3078]

@@johnochicago8457 Crime was way worse in the early 90s than now. It bottomed out in 2016 then went up..

[@johnochicago8457]

@@raymondweaver3078 Ray, I was there too. This is worse. My family tells me I'm overprotective when we are in sketchy areas and I tell them you haven't seen what I have. My niece and nephew were in one of those areas. They grew up in the burbs and didn't know where they were going (a festival in Chgo) took them through a rough area on foot. One offender put a gun to my niece's head and the other rifled through their pockets and purse and left them with nothing. They reviewed mug shots and came up empty. I wanted to take my nephew to where I knew these morons were usually hanging out. I was heavy, very heavy. I told him he would not need to get out of the car. Just investigative and I needed him to use his eyes. I would have called the district and had cage cars for all of them for a nice ride and made sure they stayed overnight courtesy of Cook County.

[@msantifort]

Great video. I'm a retired police officer and everything you said is absolutely true. People who are not police officers should pay close attention to all the info in this video.

[@bobperrine6193]

This video should be shown in every concealed carry class!

[@hrfunk]

Thanks Bob.

[@roykiefer7713]

Great topic . . . The best victory in an armed (or an unarmed) potential confrontation is all parties walking away without any violence.

[@sgtmajtrapp3391]

Outstanding review and advice. It parallels what I tell friends and family. Stay away from trouble places (bars) and known bad areas of town. Don't allow strangers to get in close challenge them verbally to stand back then ask them what they want. Make a scene and call attention, set off your car alarm causing everyone in the area to look your way. If it looks strange or suspicious don't get out of your car. Watch who is around when you go to your car. ( getting in and out of the vehicle is a danger point,) No ATM at night. Conflict avoidance. Having used deadly force in law enforcement and seen more violence than any 3 people should, much of this potential use of force can be mitigated by common sense and listening to "your gut instincts." Pulling a trigger on some violent criminal bent on hurting/killing you sometimes can't be helped, but do the things you so expertly outlined may well limit that potential.

[@johnochicago8457]

With the carjackings in Chicago, that's exactly how it's done. Two offenders blindside you with firearms and you have little to no reaction time. I check all around the vehicle before I get out and still can't be sure it won't happen from a hidden position. You can take all of the precautions and still end up being a party to a carjacking and or shooting.

[@hrfunk]

An off duty police officer was recently killed in Cleveland in just such a carjacking.

[@calvinrobinson1023]

This is the best gun video I have ever watched on youtube! This one is for mature people who have no interest or desire to be in any level of conflict, but simply desire to live in peace, unmolested, and safe. Thank you for this seasoned, wise, and informative service!

[@hrfunk]

You’re welcome Calvin. Thanks for watching!

[@toddcoon6734]

This is a rock-solid video. Those who romanticize shooting incidents have little appreciation for the consequences that follow, legally, financially, and personally. Your presentation was spot on as opposed to movie/TV presentations that rarely, if ever, deal with the aftermath, even where the shooting is later determined to be justified in that the shooter was facing imminent harm to their person or a family member. That determination rarely happens overnight; there are exceptions but generally the investigation is a long, drawn out process. GunBlue490 (a former LEO) also has an excellent presentation on this subject.

[@jasonusaf6326]

You hit the nail on the head…all types of over the top ads for holsters, gear, and concealed carry insurance agencies. The “tactical” wannabes as well…waaay too much hype in the firearms community these days. Self defense has become commercialized. But all of that goes away the moment you pull that trigger. Justified or not, there’s an expensive attorney at minimum, attached to every round that leaves your barrel.

[@timothym9398]

Yeah, I'm embarrassed every time I see a "I don't run, I reload" shirt at the local range. Same with all the holsters with bullshit jingoistic crap all over them. I saw a "only god can judge me" holster on some old fart recently. All that went through my head was... "I'll wager otherwise on the USA legal system."

[@thomaswhite2802]

This should be a training video for security and law enforcement, also active shooter situations at the workplace

[@hrfunk]

You might not be surprised to hear that I have present similar instruction to law-enforcement officers.

[@thomaswhite2802]

@@hrfunk no sir I am not surprised to hear this, I do corporate security and would like to use the advice presented in this video if necessary 👍without any reproduction of course

[@hrfunk]

Certainly. feel free.

[@TheGingerKing1994]

Run, Hide, Fight. I taught that active shooter class for years in the military. I believe it doesn’t stop when you carry a firearm. If I can duck my family out of a situation that’s top priority. After that’s not an option then I will find my Alamo (cover). Hopefully I’m not found by the assailant but if I am then is the time to use my firearm. Obviously I’m over simplifying but most people can understand. Cover is always my first priority no matter what the issue. I think more self defense training needs to be revolved around finding, taking, and fighting from cover. Personal thoughts… as always thanks for the content! Love the channel!

[@LYLEWOLD]

Great video, HR. Gotta confess to engaging in a bit of "hero daydreaming" from time to time, myself. Thanks for the great reminder to think like a grown-up.

[@scottdebruin3167]

This is one of the best videos I have ever seen. Most people think they would prevail in an encounter without injury or a John Wayne "flesh" wound. How different would be their perception if they were crippled or severely disabled in an encounter. Anyone who wants to be in a self defense situation is foolhardy. Great video.

[@hrfunk]

Thanks Scott. I'm glad you liked it!

[@PPISAFETY]

HR, excellent video. As I used to tell students in my CCW classes, "You can avoid most problems by staying out of places where your mother told you not to go when you were younger." Aside from that, in the process of doing research I have watched a number of high profile trials recently in which the defendant claimed self-defense. While I've been watching such trials for 40 years, in the last several, I have noticed a trend for the prosecution to focus on the events leading up to the use of deadly force, rather than the event itself. I have noticed a trend towards juries convicting on sets of facts that would clearly qualify as self-defense under the letter of the law, but for the injudicious behavior of the defendant that allowed himself to be drawn into conflict that he then had to shoot his way out of. I think this is instructive for our behavior if we wish to avoid legal problems. I know that I have learned to put up with incredible amounts of verbal nonsense BECAUSE I am armed. As I walk away, I tell myself "If this asshole only knew how close he came to death..." It helps me to walk away, psychologically at least. The other disturbing trend I have noticed in the course of watching dozens of trials recently in their entirety (which is mind-numbingly boring by the way), is to see defendants who apparently thought that their firearm was the only reasonable response to something like a shove, or even a thrown punch. I've even noticed this thinking voiced by young police recruits in academy settings where they will say something like, "I'm not going hands on with anybody, that's why they gave me a gun." This thinking, especially on the part of the private citizen is the path to ruin, because juries simply do not see things this way. I think it was Maslow who said, "When your only tool is a hammer, all your problems begin to look like a nail." I think it is a mistake to over-focus on your sidearm as your single defense tool. This is why I have learned some basic unarmed skills years ago and continue to practice them, and carry OC spray in addition to my firearm. Not everyone engaging in anti-social behavior needs to be shot. By the way, this video is timely. Just today I began watching the trial of retired police Captain Curtis Reeves in Florida, who shot and killed a man in a movie theater in 2014. Apparently this case arose from a dispute over texting during the previews of coming attractions, and the provocation for the shooting was the deceased throwing his popcorn at the former cop. The defendant has been on home confinement with an ankle monitor for the last 8 years and has reportedly already spent close to a million dollars on his defense. I do not anticipate a favorable outcome for him.

[@hrfunk]

I have seen the same trend in recent court cases. The question is no longer, was the use of force objectively reasonable; rather it seems to hinge on other factors. The much publicized case in Ferguson, MO was, by all appearances, a justifiable use of force. Even so, that officers life has been unalterably damaged. On the other hand, the shooting at the Capitol seems highly questionable to me, but it was very quickly ruled completely permissible. That’s what I was trying to stress in the video when I was talking about politics and demographics. As always, thanks for watching and thanks for your input Brother!

[@johnochicago8457]

@@hrfunk Hinges on the political climate. Here they favor the armed robber over the victim. Everything goes to the GJ.

[@timothym9398]

Honestly, I actually think that first change is well justified. Too many people find their courage at the bottom of a magazine, and go out starting shit they have no business involving themselves in. All because they feel they're now "militia" or "sheepdogs" or similar horseshit of what they feel is "their" communty. I think that what you do to instigate a situation is relevant to whether your defense is justified.

[@PPISAFETY]

@@timothym9398 You're absolutely right. Just because one is allowed to be armed does not mean that they are some sort of guardian of society at large. I think the "sheepdog" designation only reasonably applies to one's self and family, even though, to be honest, even though I am retired, I would be hard pressed to hide while ignoring an active shooter who was killing people in a shopping mall. But I was trained, at public expense to deal with that situation, which is not true of the average CCW permit holder. That sort of thing is what has been called a "sentinel event", and is a far cry from intervening in conflict in a bar or other such private disagreement. I once had a reporter ask me during an interview if I considered myself a "sheepdog", and I replied that I did not. She then pressed and asked me why I felt that way. I told her (off the record) that I couldn't possibly be a sheepdog, because even though I had tried repeatedly, I just could not learn to lick my own nuts. She was a good sport and we had a big laugh.

[@10thmtn86]

Excellent video as always. However, you left out the most important reason to avoid getting into a defensive gunfight...the fact that you might lose! Real life isn't like the movies, and the good guy doesn't always prevail. The best fight is the one avoided.

[@hrfunk]

Agreed. You are right, I should have mentioned that too. Thanks for watching!

[@LUVDOGS1954]

Simply outstanding!

[@johnsnyder5470]

One way to avoid violence is to leave your ego at home when you carry outside your home. Being insulted and or disrespected is nothing to justify becoming involved in a violent conflict. Too many people let their ego get in the way when all they have to do is say "I am sorry".🙄

[@bjs301]

What an important message! My basic firearms instructors stressed the importance not just of situational awareness, but of being even less of a risk taker when armed than when not. If a couple of thugs confront me when I'm not armed, I might get beat up. If I'm armed, I might have to either use my gun or face having it taken away and used against me.

[@chasa4347]

I avoid conflict with or without a firearm. I've learned keep your neck on a swivel, and if it feels weird then go elsewhere. I've also tried to get my daughter in the same mindset. When Tulsa had George Floyd protests, she wanted to go participate. We talked about the safety of hanging with folks who were blocking freeways and were angry. She decided there were safer places to share in political discourse, and when the protesters attacked a family pulling their horse trailer, and the dad showly drove through the crow and someone leaped of the bridge and was badly hurt, I was extra glad we had the discussion.

[@TheGunfighter45acp]

A most excellent topic! I just took a refresher course on handheld light techniques. It made me wonder how many lethal force encounters could have been avoided if they drew & utilized a powerful flashlight to create avoidance & distance instead.

[@Fudmottin]

A light I like to carry with me has the ability to be blindingly bright and also has a strobe mode. It's marketed as tactical, but it is actually quite practical. Although it does back fire on me from time to time when I check my mail box late at night and I forget I've got it at my max setting and look in the mailbox and flick on the light! LOL. It's also rechargeable so batteries are not a problem.

[@billwhelan869]

Excellent, clear, invaluable advice from a Chief Funk, who obviously not only cares about every one of his loyal listeners, but knows exactly what he is talking about, too! Thank you very much, Chief. Good bless you for your candor and concern. We not only respect you, but we trust you as well. Bill, Chicago

[@hrfunk]

Thank you Bill!

[@johnvanduren4806]

Just a thought, back in 1976, I was employed as a Uniformed Security officer at a Las Vegas Hotel. After an in counter with a break in robbery suspect, I realized that if necessary I could shoot another human being. That realization changed my out look on life. About 30 yrs. later I became a CCW holder, and every day I Prayed I would NEVER have to full fill my realization. It was for sure a real life changer. Great video, stay well.

[@tpot91]

This was an awesome video! Things I haven't thought of in a long time or ever. Definitely things we all need to hear.

[@oldcop18]

I was involved in a gunfight during my career and even though it was 1974 the images in my mind, including seeing a cop go down w/a bullet in the chest, are as sharp as if it happened yesterday. Nobody with an ounce of sense would really want this experience. Thx again for a realistic look at this issue.

[@GB-dj1kg]

Outstanding presentation! Former LEO and firearms instructor. It can't be emphasized strongly enough.. The last tool to be used is deadly force..

[@JamesBond-sz9qf]

Perhaps the best video you have ever made. Taking a human life is not fun & games & is something you will be forced to live with for the rest of your life. I pray I never fire my weapon anywhere except on the gun range.

[@2nd_a_dad4791]

It was either John Farnham or Tom Givens I’ve read say “Avoid stupid people in stupid places doing stupid things.” Or something to that effect. The greatest thing that could ever happen to my EDC is my never needing it.

[@Republic_ofTexas]

Fantastic video. Excellent points all. In Texas, our laws are very good in my opinion. But; if you live in some cities the populace that makes up the Grand Jury may not follow the views of most of the state. Your video is making me consider again joining one of the legal defense groups that provide lawyers after a self defence situation. Also, my next move in the great State of Texas will be to a county with a strong history of protecting my 2A rights and one that has lower taxes. Finally, your point at the end of your video regarding situational awareness is completely valid. I would like to see an entire video on that subject. Recognizing a bad situation and getting out is much better than having to defend yourself.

[@onpsxmember]

I'd like a whole situational awareness video series. In the car, walking in the streets, parking lots, gas stations, diners, hotels, garage, on the side of the road, in the yard or during a hike.

[@DrumandPianoDude]

As a former LEO and licensed concealed carrier, I really appreciate your information on this. I do my best to avoid areas where problems more likely to occur. It helps that I don't drink and hang out in bars and clubs. I also have concealed carry insurance that includes legal and civil representation.

[@Bigdaddylobo1]

Thank you for this. The human cost of gunfights is that someone usually dies. The financial cost is that someone is coming after the survivor for restitution, deserved or undeserved. Your gun is only to prevent your or your loved ones’ death or serious harm. And then it has to be IMMINENT. Your gun is your last resort. Thanks again.

[@hrfunk]

You're welcome Bob. Thanks for watching!

[@timothym9398]

The favorite summary I've been told in the past. "If you're not willing to go to a place, or do a thing, without your gun, don't go there or do that thing with a gun." Courage isn't something you load in to a magazine.

[@danoneill2846]

Thanks

[@SHADOWACTUAL]

Great video, Chief. Younger 22 year old me would’ve dismissed this because I was a knucklehead who was ready to play gunfighter. These days I’m looking for reasons not to draw my weapon because my current residency in California just isn’t worth the extra headaches!

[@hrfunk]

You are growing wise with age. If we’re fortunate, that happens to us all.

[@slikrickabn1190]

"Redistriubute the anatomy" Love it!

[@hrfunk]

It is not a pretty picture.

[@007Chancellor]

GREAT video, sir. One wins 100% of the fights he AVOIDS.

[@JJ_SDWR]

Great video, I'm a big believer in de-escalation and risk mitigation. The best possible outcome is nobody getting shot.

[@mathewahrens4475]

Thank you for this. Thank you for emphasizing DEFENSIVE shooting and making the after effects much more real.

[@hrfunk]

You’re welcome Matthew. Thanks for watching!

[@donaldlivingston970]

A great topic you decided to discuss in this video. I was in the Marines back in the 80s and do know how to defend myself. Luckily I've never had to defend myself or my family with a gun. After the Marines I managed movie theaters for about 15 years and then several years managing a fast food restaurant. I would have to make bank deposits late at night, sometimes as late as 3:00 am. I always used situational awareness to decrease the chances of anything happening. I do think that is one of the major skills most people are lacking today. If you watch most people today, their noses are buried in their cell phones and have not one clue about what is going on around them. Again great topic and video. You are quickly becoming my favorite gun channel to watch. I hope you keep sharing your wealth of knowledge for years to come.

[@hrfunk]

Thanks Donald, and Semper Fi!

[@chrispetersen113]

I anticipate this video being most relevant given the spike in "urban" crime...

[@vmvilla936]

Outstanding, HR...spoken like a true Marine. Semper Fi, Brother. M/3/7 1stMarDiv

[@hrfunk]

Semper Fi!

[@soofihasan]

Very well and wisely put. As someone said, the best gunfight is the one with you not in it. Thank you for your valuable advice

[@hrfunk]

You're welcome Soofi. Thanks for watching!

[@patrickhanley5542]

This was one of the best breakdowns I've seen , thank you for your insight, anyone who presents videos on firearm reviews ,or situational awareness regarding self defense to the public should watch this and follow your outline, Thank You .

[@hrfunk]

My pleasure. Thanks for watching.

[@c.r.chandler5905]

Chief, I remember two distinct incidents during my law enforcement career that are 100% applicable to this presentation. I remember as a young patrol officer in 1996 I responded to a death investigation where an individual had committed suicide by using a shotgun. I still remember to this day that image and I don't think it will ever leave. The next was my first officer-involved shooting. It happened in 2008. It's like that day was a series of snapshots in a camera. I remember the shooting, the guy screaming, and then quiet when he passed. I remember the damage done to his body and how he looked when he passed. I remember how angry I was when the asst. watch commander demanded my gun on the scene when I knew that the policy mandated that he get it at the office. I remember sitting in my watch commander's office staring at the wall thinking that I had just been shot at, my car was shot up, and that I shot the guy. I remember crying and being so angry that the guy put me in a position where I had to shoot him. I also remember the asst. watch commander apologizing to me after the Deputy Chief tore him a new one for taking my gun from me. As I am typing this all of those memories are coming back to me from the box that I put them in.

[@hrfunk]

As I read your comment, I was flashing back to a couple of incidents from my own past. I know exactly what you mean by “a series of snapshots.” I described it as “a movie clip” that would repeat itself over and over. I also completely understand that cycle of anger and remorse. I described that as a “merry go round.” If I can make a suggestion, don’t put the incidents in a box. Two things helped me deal with the anger after my only OIS. One was accepting the fact that all I could do was react to the situation as it happened (play the cards I was dealt-is my colloquialism). The other thing was to try it turn the incident into a positive. I started using it as a training topic in the classes I was teaching. I found the more I talked about it, the slower the merry go round turned and eventually I was able to get off. I’m glad you’re still here to tell this story and I’ll bet I’m not alone. Take care.

[@johnochicago8457]

Excellent video. The best explanation for a legal defensive shooting. I worked in criminal justice for 15 years and see the trauma to both the victim and defense.

[@SgtHulkasToe]

Outstanding video. Thanks.

[@sd4594]

You are absolutely correct. Our instructor in the classclass to qualify for a concealed carry permit covered everything that you did. And I totally agree with your evaluation of the point of view of some of the videos on the internet being so eager to progress to the firefight stage without any thought to the subsequent consequences of your actions.

[@theparalexview785]

Thank you. This has always been my primary concern in any defensive situation, including when I was a Navy Hospital Corpsman assigned to the Marines. I qualified on the M16 (expert, highest score of our squad, second highest on the range that day -- which surprised me as I'd only shot .22 rimfires before, but I had excellent coaching from our Marine NCOs), and standard issue .45 (meh, my first ever handgun, I just barely qualified but improved quickly afterward). I never wanted to harm another person -- that's why I became a Corpsman, but wanted to serve with the Marines. I wanted to be prepared in case it was ever necessary and unavoidable. But I hoped and planned to avoid any need to fire a weapon at another human being. Same attitude when Texas adopted concealed carry years ago. I actually stopped carrying for years after observing disturbing instances of acquaintances fantasizing about getting into gunfights while legally carrying. As a Corpsman I'd seen broken bodies and never wanted to inflict that kind of damage to another human if I could avoid it. And my former rural home town was so safe years ago it was more of a hassle than it was worth to carry a firearm. I've since moved to a seniors community in a part of the city that used to be relatively safe. But things have changed over the past 15 years, initiated in part by the 2008 economic collapse and gradual decline and neglect by the city. A couple of years ago I stopped visiting a favorite brew pub run by a friend after seeing instances of customers instigating aggravation in a place that used to be family friendly. And I haven't gone into any bar in years, even on social bike rides and pub crawls with friends. I'll wait outside if I don't like the vibe of the bar. But in some neighborhoods the outside is even less safe than inside the bar. Only a few months ago I resumed carrying pretty much full time, even while running and exercising, after our city (and many US cities) saw dramatic spikes in murders in violence, as much as 60% spikes in some areas. My own neighborhood had 10 murders in autumn 2021, within a mile of here. I go out of my way to avoid high conflict areas, but to reach some grocery stores, highway accesses, etc., there is no longer any "safe" access. On a recent sunny Sunday afternoon walk a fellow across the street randomly popped off about a dozen rounds, rapid fire. There didn't seem to be any provocation, no other persons visible, no argument or yelling heard. The police declined to investigate. Same when someone fired several shots into my apartment building last November. No victims, no investigation. The bullet is still lodged in my neighbor's door. It's gotten bad enough that I'll cross a 6-lane boulevard during my usual walks or jogging to avoid groups of two or more people on the same sidewalk. Too many aggressive panhandlers, people who appear to be mentally ill and acting out angrily at no one in particular, including a shirtless fellow with a Big Gulp in one hand and a machete in the other, yelling and cursing at nobody, banging on the doors of businesses he passed along the street. But the police can't or wont do anything unless there's already a victim or they actually observe a threat or assault, because here it's legal to openly carry swords and large edged weapons. Merely seeming "rowdy" while carrying a weapon isn't grounds for questioning or arrest. I wish this were confined to one or two areas. If it were I'd just move. But data shows it's widespread and there are only a few islands of relative tranquility, mostly in gated communities. Still, I'd rather go out of my way to avoid potential conflict. Carrying a firearm for self defense entails a huge burden of responsibility. Thanks again for such a clear, unbiased and level headed discussion of a difficult topic.

[@hrfunk]

You’re welcome Doc. Thanks so much for watching.

[@ronmccants1513]

Thank you for the first common sense real posting on KZbin I’ve seen. I got back into firearms when my son made a big deal about his new high end 45 acp pistol. I explained to him that until he’d shot a true hand gun he didn’t know what he was missing, that being a 1911. I wound up building 2 of them, one as a birthday gift for my son. After receiving it he was hooked. Being retired I started viewing the many gun channels and was shocked at the number of people that tried to come of as experts. You are the only expert I’ve come across,with real fact and experience. I’m considered a Fudd or an old fart by who I now consider the heard. Their fascination with stamped steel and plastic firearms with flashlights and red dots is amazing to me, where if you are ever involved in an incident where either of these is needed, its not self defense but assault or murder at best. You are going to jail. This is not a video game or a movie. In real life I don’t even carry any of my nice 1911’s because I know that if used it immediately becomes evidence and you may never see it again. Anyway thanks again for honest and truthful content for a change.

[@hrfunk]

You are most welcome Ron. I'm sorry to say I don't really know what the word "expert" means. Whatever the definition, it certainly does not apply to me. Thank you for watching!

[@ronmccants1513]

@@hrfunk I was trying to be nice and not insight any keyboard commandos. Those that try to train for all of the daily attracts that one will encounter in going to the market, walking the dog or collecting the mail, you know where you have to take cover and roll around on the ground, or maybe even shooting through your windshield, the usual game and movie scenarios. At 71 years old conflict avoidance and situational awareness make a lot more sense than wearing body armor and carrying extra magazines. At the same time I am amazed at what they’re able to do with stamped steel and plastic so when folks that don’t really know any better start spouting about yeah yeah I know 2 world wars etc. I see it as disrespectful to guys that have served and died using a weapon that has been the gold standard for over a hundred years...I just have to give props to real professionals such as yourself. It’s so easy to stir up trolls on the internet, so-called experts was just my way to “avoid conflict “ Thanks for being a voice of reason.

[@michaelklim1971]

Thank you very much Chief. Great advice. Everyone should follow it

[@rebelray84]

Outstanding video! Everyone should understand that the LAST thing anyone, Police Officer or private citizen, would want to do is use deadly force. If you can possible avoid it then do so!

[@jerrywoodworking4997]

Everybody should watch this. Very well said. One thing I have thought about is what you carry. If your weapon is all tricked out "tactical" I can see a DA holding your weapon up and making a big deal out of it; just my thought.

[@finnl6887]

A very good video. Most people never cover the human cost, and this is probably the first time I've ever heard someone talk about the personal cost of a defensive shooting. It needed to be talked about though, thank you for doing so. Personally, I have been in self defensive scenarios where people have tried to murder me, and I was unarmed while they were armed, and had to find a way to defend myself. The legal cost didn't really exist for me so much as a minor in those circumstances, it was open and shut case. The personal cost though was still too damn high. Those events and my near death are why I decided I will possess firearms from now on (I refuse to ever be in that scenario bare handed again), but also why if I'm ever in danger, I'll run away first if I can. My self defense mantra is "I don't want to live or die a hero. I just want to live." Too many people who carry so... eagerly, as you noticed, want to be heroes I think. Hopefully your video reaches a few who don't know better and they realize the cost.

[@hrfunk]

I hope so. Thank you for watching and for such a candid comment. I’m sorry you had to experience that ordeal and I’m glad you’re still here to educate people as to its lingering effects.

[@GregoryBrown6283]

What an absolutely wonderful video! Thank you so much for addressing all of these issues. Keep doing what you do it’s very much appreciated

[@hrfunk]

You’re welcome Greg. Thanks for watching.

[@Axe_six-six]

This is truly an outstanding presentation, Chief. I've seen other videos on the topic, but this one clearly is head and shoulders above the others. When I was a younger man, I was absolutely confident I could take another's life to save my own or those I care about if the situation required. As I got a bit older and had a family, life in general, became more precious to me. By the time I was in my early 50's I did exactly what you suggested. I took a few days and thought very carefully if I was still prepared to take that action if the situation required. While I still believe that I would if absolutely required, I've adjusted my mental preparation a bit to include a stronger emphasis on avoidance. I think the information in this video is morally required learning for any citizen who carries a firearm for self defense. Thank you for this excellent video, one of the best I've seen on the topic of self defense, bar none.

[@hrfunk]

Thank you so much. I feel like I should have done this video along time ago. Still, I’m glad so many people seem to be benefiting from it now.

[@lavida57]

A very needed viedo. It's something I have thought about strong and hard. If we are forced to defend ourselves or others our life will change forever. The legal grief and the personal grief is very real.

[@richierich3053]

What a great video explaining the repercussions of your actions involving a defensive shooting and the tips on avoiding potentially bad situations. I sure hope Im never in the situation were I have to use deadly force to protect myself or my family try my very best to avoid it but the knuckleheads are everywhere nowadays crazy times we're living in.

[@thekimmonia]

Great video and also I see the wisdom of this in the comments of your colleague LEOs as well, you’re the only one putting this sort of responsible and realistic content.

[@hrfunk]

Thanks Michael. I hope this helps some people avoid problems.

[@rider547]

I hope this video gets more views than any other videos you have made. Excellent information to think about. The best way to win a confrontation is to avoid it. Also, thanks to those who brought up road rage. It is a problem best to avoid. I carry a weapon when I feel it may be safer for me and my family but I hope to never have to use it for that purpose. Being mentally prepared is a big part of self protection.

[@hrfunk]

Agreed. Thanks for watching!

[@jwc00789]

Excellent perspective and information! As has often been said, prevention is often worth more than a cure, in medical parlance. A defensive pistol course I took a long time ago covered a lot of this, but a refresh of information is always good to have!

[@452Rob]

Great advice, very long overdue!

[@mywrkout1]

Truthfully, most civilian defensive and deadly encounters could be avoided if your common sense advice was followed. As always a very informative and helpful video. Thank you.

[@hrfunk]

You’re welcome. Thanks for watching.

[@DaveG1963]

Well said and well done HR! To me these are All common sense approaches to many scenarios we can and will eventually encounter in life. The bottom line is CHOICE is the most important tool that God has given us to use! It is our duty to Use them wisely. Not only in our well being and safety but in what comes out of our mouth. Great advice and great video!

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

They main part of the video is why I don't carry I prefore to prepair my self for anything that may happen in a location like when I check the mail at night I check the sightlines and listen make sure I'm the only one in range of my self... A thing you can do is make a battlespace like what a Super carrier does and make sure you know what is around you at all times. And I don't go to the bad parts of town at night and my room is a safe room although in a bad spot if a robby happens at night I don't have much choice to to hunker down and call 911... Fortunatly I have all the things worth stealling so not drawing attation to me would be best as they should just leave. Great job seriously discussing this!

[@hrfunk]

Thank you!

[@dangerman007]

Great video! Situational awareness, common sense and avoidance is always the better option if you can. I like the fact that you discussed the legal and emotional toll that a shooting can have, even if justified. Carrying a firearm is big responsibility and there is more to think about that the latest tactics/gear.

[@alans3023]

Plain talking common sense... and spot on. I am reminded of a book I read when I was still shooting (early 80s) called 'In The Gravest Extreme' by Massad Ayoob. That takes a similar real world view of what you need to be thinking about if you carry a deadly weapon (the responsibilities of being armed if you like) and what happens after you choose to use it. I think this video (and that book) should be required viewing for all new shooters.

[@hrfunk]

Thanks Alan. Are the legal issues similar at all in your country?

[@alans3023]

@@hrfunk Wow. That's a big question and I'm not sure I'm best placed to answer it as I am not legally trained but... We obviously don't have the right to own a handgun in the UK (there are certain exceptions for long barrelled pistols for competition), so concealed carry and home defence is not a consideration, but there is a small group of licenced competition rifle shooters (strictly controlled as to type and caliber of rifle) and a much larger group who own and shoot shotguns (either competitively or because they have land). But, irrespective of what you use to defend yourself, there is a right to self defence up to and including the use of deadly force provided your response is proportionate to the attack. But if you were to use deadly force then the courts would require you to prove that you absolutely believed you were in eminent danger of death or serious injury. There was a very famous case in 1999 where a farmer used his shotgun to defend himself against a two burglars who had broken into his home at night. He was an older man and the burglars were both young men. I'm sure he was scared and full of adrenaline (he had been burgled before), BUT, he shot the intruders in the stair well of his home and then again as they were climbing out of the window to make their escape. 3 shots fired and he was using bird shot. One of the intruders died at the scene and the farmer went to prison for life because, at the point he fired the fatal shot, his life was no longer in danger. After a public outcry this was reduced to 8 years in prison, but this just illustrates the difficulties in what you were talking about in your presentation. It didn't end there either. While the farmer was in prison he was sued by the surviving burglar for 'loss of earnings' whilst recovering from injuries received! That court case was not successful but you get the picture. English law permits a person to kill another in self-defence only if the person defending themself uses no more than "reasonable force". And the jury gets to decide what is reasonable.

[@hrfunk]

Thanks Alan, I was just curious. I didn't know how well this video might align with the laws my international viewers live under. As you likely know, many of our laws descended from British common law (some of which have not changed a great deal over the past couple of centuries). I didn't know how things were determined in the UK these days.

[@zeitgeist888]

A good discussion that often just gets lip service if any consideration. I hate it when I hear phrases used like Pipe hitters, face shooters, operators or similar in any defensive type shooting in this country. It just screams bravado movie hero mentality with no regard for real life. You mentioned the devastating effects of gunshots and I think too often it gets ignored or believed only the badguy will be hit. A single 22 can be fatal but even worse is if the defender is hit and blinded, paralyzed or has to have 24 hour a day care for the rest of their life. It happens and putting your family or loved ones through that unnecessarily should always be avoided. Excellent topic that is a must to be considered. Thank you

[@hrfunk]

You're welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@artwebb6939]

Absolutely agreed The question should never be can I shoot, it should be do I actually need to shoot

[@charlesgroves3096]

I'm a retired police officer and this is a very complex subject. You presented this about as well as it could be done.

[@hrfunk]

Thank you.

[@Fudmottin]

I don't think there is ever a wrong time for a video like this and you did a good job presenting the information. I think you've covered this well enough in your video, but a somewhat distilled saying in some of the circles I've been in is, if you wouldn't go some place without a gun, don't go there with a gun. I've noticed in the YT gun community a number of people who advocate the carry of compact (Glock 19 sized) pistols with a spare magazine inside the waist band appendix carry. Not just that, but with a light on the accessory rail of the pistol and some sort of optic sight on the slide. I'm not going to say no one should be doing that, but I do question that level of preparation given realistic risk assessment. I'm not a tactical guy or anything, but I've been working on a different tack for the year, just as a reminder, which is simplification. The premise is I can probably get by with a J-Frame if I fail to get myself out of trouble by other means. A light weight J-Frame is easy to carry year round in a variety of ways. It is easy to carry extra ammunition even though doing a reload would be rather difficult unless there is "a lull in the action." In short, not only am I going to be trying to avoid the fight, I also don't want to appear like I was looking for one if the worst happens. I don't know how police think during an investigation, but surely there must be some positive points for carrying a simple "get off me" gun. Are there?

[@hrfunk]

So much of that comes down to the individuals involved in the incident and their knowledge and past experience (not to mention any preconceptions, or bias). That is the reason lawyers and courts exist.

[@revgriz120000]

Great presentation HR. Very well done. Semper Fi.

[@hrfunk]

Thanks Troy, Semper Fi!

[@randysmith7040]

Well said. Thank you!

[@johnshepherd8687]

Don't get noticed, run away if you are and only use force when you have run out of all other options and the most important reason for avoiding a defensive shooting is you can lose.

[@SierraBravo347]

You always win the gunfight you weren't in. 👍🏻

[@edisonpalmer6748]

I absolutely avoid situations or areas where I could be forced to use my weapon. Safer for myself and my family. My weapons trainer taught me that many years ago, And it works. Great video sir.

[@hrfunk]

Thank you!

[@Iceaxehikes]

Solid advice. Thanks.

[@TerminalM193]

Such an important topic! Sharing this with family and friends!

[@hrfunk]

Thanks for sharing!!

[@laughingdog6010]

Very good info to know. Thanks

[@peteshour768]

Excellent video.

[@bhoward9378]

Chief, this is a very important video. I lived in a west coast town for 23 years but pulled up stakes and moved last summer because of the increased crime rate and a Soros sponsored DA who does not prosecute criminals. I'm a "gun guy", and my worst nightmare is ever being forced to use one against anyone. Because of that, I now live in another state, in a small town with almost no crime, with a police force that has the full support of the population, and where I can leave my house and truck doors unlocked. Everyone assumes that everyone else is carrying. Nope, I'm not saying where that is.

[@hrfunk]

Good for you. Enjoy your new home.

[@jeffreydoebler8367]

As always great information

[@centex52]

your very best and informative video with compassion thank you sir

[@hrfunk]

You’re welcome Ronald. Thanks for watching!

[@johne1653]

Nice content! Thank you.

[@donniebarajas8564]

Excellent video. Thanks for sharing.

[@hrfunk]

Thanks Donnie!

[@rabbi6225]

I prefer conflict attraction, thank you very much.

[@hrfunk]

Now why am I not surprised?

[@stans5270]

Our church has two people that are armed as security. When an instance came about and someone entered and initiated a dispute with his GF, I told the armed people that I would try and diffuse the situation as they watched over me. I knew that bringing an armed person into a conflict, you, therefore, have the potential for an ARMED conflict. A three-minute talk avoided the guy that was agitated from being an aggressor towards me and he left without any hostility. The guy couldn't claim to be threatened with harm since I was unarmed.

[@hrfunk]

Great example Stan!

[@mikeburnett160]

Great info as always! Semper Fi!

[@hrfunk]

Semper Fi Mike!

[@jessearroyo3927]

Very good. Thank you!

[@hrfunk]

You’re welcome!

[@dennissullivan5359]

Straightforward and informative, you did good Chef

[@hrfunk]

Thank you Dennis.

[@keithtate1241]

Great video, thanks for the information.

[@hrfunk]

You're welcome Keith thanks for watching!

[@dominiclupico1152]

Excellent topic and presentation. The image we present to the non-gun public should always stress the restraint trained, licensed CCW owners live with and utilize in decision making. I live in a state heavily regulated, and such bravado behavior around the country only makes overturning strict controls impossible.

[@jameswilkinson1288]

Great advice thank you

[@hrfunk]

You’re welcome James. Thanks for watching!

[@gregb6469]

Gunshot wounds can be very messy, but much better to be the one inflicting the wound than the one receiving the wound.

[@hrfunk]

Agreed. Better yet. Avoid the situation to begin with if at all possible.

[@alherrera3996]

I told the same thing to a friend mine a long time ago the laws vary from state to state when it comes to shootings on defense so if you have to shoot someone you should understand the laws and what is your limit on whis your limit on what you can do the best thing to do is just walk away most of the time if you can do it

[@hrfunk]

Agreed. Thanks for watching Al.

[@garyclark7852]

At Active Self Protection KZbin channel, they say don’t go somewhere with a ccw that you would not go unarmed.

[@paulscountry456]

Every day around here there is lead flying,they had a gunfight in the street in Seattle,40 rds flying everywhere.

[@hrfunk]

Sounds like it’s time to move.

[@paulscountry456]

@@hrfunk I live far away from trouble about 50 miles south of Seattle, shootings every day now in Tacoma ,Seattle areas crime is just exploding.

[@Paladin1873]

If you are referring to the new SCCY ad, I saw it and posted a comment stating that I wish their handguns were as good as their commercials.

[@hrfunk]

That was the one! I thought it was ridiculous.

[@Paladin1873]

@@hrfunk It is. I think they are trying to market their wares to the younger and more naive gaming crowd/action movie fans. Life has yet to beat the stupid out of this untapped market.

[@ricksold88s]

Your best video to date !

[@hrfunk]

Thanks Richard !

[@charlesmccracken8564]

Excellant brief !

[@hrfunk]

Thank you. I’m glad you liked it!

[@marsukaivelee]

this video is wery interesting point off wiew..meny thing to think about in defenssive shooting. i have been cary most off the time allmost 40 years and newer needet to shoot a person. all the critical situation have been avoidet just by making a statement that i cary

[@dennislloyd494]

I think a brief review of gunshot wound photos in a ccw class would add a sobering element. This is what happens to a target or You in a gunfight might temper those who take this lightly.

[@hrfunk]

Maybe. Something similar used to be done in training for young drivers. Still, after a period of time that type of thing lost it's effect.