Shotgun: Still the Best for Home Defense?

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[@papimaximus95]

The shotgun has been defending the American homestead for well over 250 years. It is simple in use and can fulfill almost every role a homeowner may need. You can hunt small game (hence the term "birdshot") or large game and defend against any animal 2 or 4 legged. Shotguns will shoot almost any load you can make up. Heck, you can literally load it with stuff off the ground if need be. Add in how inexpensive a pump shotgun can be and you have the perfect weapon for the masses.

[@hrfunk]

“Perfect” is a lofty term. I’m not sure I would go quite that far with any firearm.

[@mattwalters6834]

@@hrfunk definitely not perfect, same as anything else; it is versatile, though.

[@hrfunk]

@@mattwalters6834 Agreed!

[@papimaximus95]

@@hrfunk Yeah, perfect may be a slight stretch but the shotgun has paid it's dues and stood the test of time.

[@geofftimm2291]

@@hrfunk If you take $200 US down to Academy Sports, can you get anything better than a Mossberg Maverick? Geoff Who notes it was up to $239 last time I checked and you can still buy birdshot at Walmart, sometimes buck and slugs.

[@TheGunfighter45acp]

As a young USMC Cpl., I was issued an 870 for one of my MEU deployments. We didn't have an interpreter assigned to us and our GySgt. told me not to worry because racking a shell with the pump spoke a universal language. He was, is, and will always be, right.

[@hrfunk]

Semper Fi! You’ve got to love the wisdom of those old Gunnys.

[@TheGunfighter45acp]

@@hrfunk Semper Fi!

[@ronlafitte6864]

I damn sure wouldn’t want to be shot by a shotgun.

[@woodrow1037]

I think the shotgun is extremely under rated. Even with the inherent draw backs. As a former LEO I have pumped a large variety of rounds through it. All the way from slugs to tear gas. Making it one of the most versatile firearms available. Depending on what I am doing or where I'm going my shotgun may be the long gun I select. There is a lot of traction given to round capacity. What is rarely stated is that with a rifle or handgun one round is sent at a time. With a shotgun with 00, 9-12 projectiles are sent down range. I love my shotgun. Blessings brother.

[@markschroter2640]

Well they say that the pistol is only to get you to the long guns. I prefer to have a less than lethal club as well so that is another bonus to the shotgun. I am also a big fan of the 357 Marlin, shame about the quality issues.

[@SierraBravo347]

@@markschroter2640 Amen. That's why it's referred to as a Sidearm. It's a Secondary weapon intended to fall back on, should your Primary weapon become Inoperable. After the handgun comes hand-to-hand combat, followed by Victory or Death. 👍🏻

[@nathanlambshead4778]

@@markschroter2640 Stay tuned. Ruger is coming out with their version.

[@markschroter2640]

@@nathanlambshead4778 I am a fan of Ruger.

[@10thmtn86]

Probably one of the main reasons shotguns have been popular for home defense is low acquisition cost. You can get a decent quality pump shotgun brand new in the $200 range. For home defense, my rule is simple: if you need to move, use a handgun as it leaves a free hand for doors, phone, lights, and grabbing the kids; once hunkered down in the safe room, then you grab the shotgun. No other civilian-legal firearm has the single-shot fight-ending probability of the shotgun loaded with proper ammunition. Good video.

[@hrfunk]

Thank you!

[@skipboyer1889]

Several years ago there was a home invasion in our area. They released the 911 recording and I had to chuckle when I heard it. Seems the offender could be heard in the background yelling for help because he had been shot. During the call, the caller could be heard shouting back: “You better just be still or I’ll shoot you again!” Seems the caller, an octogenarian was armed with a S&W 5 shot revolver and had already discharged one round…..into the perp! Hearing that elderly woman yell at that villain was hilarious!

[@roykiefer7713]

I really enjoyed this video and it certainly is quite worthwhile. Thank you, Howard. A good Twelve Gauge pump (Remington 870, Mossberg 500/590, and may others) is inexpensive, reliable and - much like a 4, 5, or 6 inch .357 magnum revolver - extremely flexible. Given the right ammunition selection, a 12 (or 20) gauge pump can do so many things very well. For years, my ancient Twelve Gauge 870 (loaded with 00 or #4 Buck) was in my bedroom’s corner; but those days are over, due to spousal “ambiance” concerns. With all this said, I’d respectfully mention a potential issue that wasn’t highlighted in the video. Many current firearms owners will initially have only one weapon, (probably a modern semiautomatic, which can defend both at and away from home) and will rarely if ever shoot it. If they add a pump shotgun to their collection, and intend to use it for home defense, then that obviously means two “manuals of arms” to master. Okay, for many of us that is “truly nothing;.” However, what about the individual who keeps that revolver, semiautomatic or slide action shotgun in the bedroom closet for - literally - years and never even thinks about it? I’d suggest SIMPLICITY and unmaintained reliability are essential for that person . . . and I’d recommend a top quality (new or used), full size revolver, loaded excellent .38 Special +P’s (simple to use, no safeties to disengage or slide to rack, point and shoot, very tolerant of neglect, fewer malfunctions if unmaintained, and easy to hit the target with at normal defensive ranges). Of course, no one should fail to practice with or to maintain his firearms. Realistically, however, a GREAT many people do. And for those folks (imho) a service size revolver - loaded with low recoil, low flash and low acoustic signature .38 Specials - is tough to beat.

[@hrfunk]

I agree Roy, and that’s what I was alluding to when I mentioned the need for homeowners to train with their defensive firearms. Thanks for watching!

[@mikecampbell5856]

Great video! I am 64 and never owned anything but 12 gauge shotguns until a few years ago when I got my first 20 gauge. I am big enough to handle 12 gauge recoil but I really love my 20 gauge shotguns. Lower recoil and faster follow up shots, and I think 20 gauge buckshot will get the job done. I do worry that a DA might look at you funny if you use an evil "assault rifle". We all know better, but some people don't.

[@DrTramp-uu1hh]

Great review as always. I have several shotguns but for a home defense situation I prefer my old 12 gauge pump action Stevens M 77. It's an ex Baltimore PD short barreled riot gun with adjustable sights and a slug barrel. A friend picked it at a Baltimore city surplus equipment auction, I bet they don't do that anymore :-), and when I was visiting him and admired it he sold it to me for $50 and mailed it to me in Colorado which gives you an idea of how long ago this was. LOL Never cared for the M16/AR15 platform. Only shot one twice when I was in the Corps and preferred the M14.

[@hrfunk]

Semper Fi! I was issued an M16A1, but I prefer shooting the M14. Thanks for watching!

[@JJ_SDWR]

One big drawback for me (someone living in a city) regarding shotguns is that I can't shoot them frequently to train because my local gun ranges do not allow you to fire shotguns with anything but slugs. I would need to drive approximately 2 hours to my closest outdoor range (that I know of) to put some lead down range from my Benelli Supernova. It's a shame because I love that gun! Another consideration I never thought of until moving to a big city.

[@markschroter2640]

Move.

[@JJ_SDWR]

@@markschroter2640 uproot my life so I can be closer to outdoor ranges? No thanks

[@markschroter2640]

The first 2 guns I bought (2 and 3 actually) were a 10/22 and a 12 gauge single shot. I would get tired of pulling the trigger on the 10/22. 2 x 25 round mags from the 22 is equal to a single 12 gauge at indoor range distances, at least on paper.

[@JJ_SDWR]

Funny you say that, as I type this comment I just pulled into the lot for my local range, 10/22 in tow. But yeah, just because I can't regularly shoot shotguns doesn't mean I have any doubt of how effective it'll be if I send a load of #4 buck down my hallway in the middle of the night. Just that it MAY be a consideration for the folks who live in urban areas.

[@hrfunk]

Too bad, but I understand. Thanks for watching!

[@davidberry6046]

Having been a member of the Trauma Team at Grady Memorial Hospital in Atlanta for a year (1969-1970), I was witness to the horrific effects of various shotgun wounds brought to the ER. They varied from accidental wounds incurred while hunting to criminal activities, including murders and even suicides. This experience had a lot to do with my outlook on use of force when I later became a police officer. I also was witness to wounds caused by handguns and rifles, but none of them rose to the destructive power of a shotgun, no matter the gauge. Believe me, even a .410, up close and personal, can ruin your day! I keep a pump 12 ga. (loaded with #4 buck), an AR15 and a .357 mag. revolver by my bedside, but three guesses which one I pick in a pinch! Thank you, sir, for your very perspicacious overview on the subject of home defense, with which I totally concur. God bless you and yours.

[@hrfunk]

You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@WillyTheScotchMan]

Great Video Sir! A good friend of mine who is now a retired FBI Agent, once busted a Russian Crime Boss and on his person was a double Barrel 8 Guage pistol! Not just a sawed off hack job, but a very nicely done pistol. lol My friend "confiscated" it and still has it to this day. It is a real beauty, Nickel with walnut grips. Quite the custom piece. I have never shot it, but my friend has a few times.

[@waterhead1359]

Nice to know the fbi takes guns home

[@patrickmessinger7040]

My stepson just picked up his first ever pump shotgun, he went with the Mossberg 500 platform. He is new to this type of system, however, has owned handguns for a while, he's looking forward to range time with this new tool, and all the applications that can be used in. I will recommend this video to help him in learning more. Thanks so much. (:

[@hrfunk]

You’re welcome. Thanks for watching Patrick!

[@MitchC357]

I used to always rely on pump or coach guns. I went out of my comfort zone and bought a Black Aces S Max semi auto 12 gauge. It fires anything put into it and cycles beautifully. I know it is an off brand but so far nothing negative to report.

[@JamesBond-sz9qf]

Excellent video as always! I've always said the sound of a pump 12 gauge racking a round is the perfect attention getter!!! 😂

[@thebigokie6.4_392]

The best home defense gun is what you can shoot accurately and are comfortable shooting with.

[@csipawpaw7921]

The shotgun is a great versatile weapon in 12 or 20 gauge. Especially for people who only want one gun. But I lost my faith in the #4 buck in the early 1980s when an officer in my department shot a robbery suspect one winter. The suspect was about 20 feet away and wearing multiple layers under a heavy leather biker's jacket. It knocked the suspect down, but then he got up and started running. A second officer dropped him with a 357 round. The suspect survived. When we checked, most of the #4 buckshot failed to pernitrate to the suspect's skin and the few that did were just under the suspect's skin. The chief ordered all the #4 buckshot pulled and replaced with #00 buckshot. The #4 was burned up in practice.

[@hrfunk]

Any idea how old that ammo was?

[@csipawpaw7921]

@@hrfunk Not for sure but it was probably no more than five years old. We switched to #4 buck after the FBI study recommended #4 back in the 70s I think. The chief and the range master were very careful to switch out old ammo regularly.

[@glenmo1]

Mr funk thanks for the video love the new introduction music... About 9 years back I purchased a Maverick 88 12 gauge pump home defender shotgun.. made by Mossberg.. almost identical to the Mossberg 500..18-1/2 in barrel 6+1=7 capacity.. a very light and easy to maneuver shotgun.. I load with #4 buck .. my only accessories added.. a limb saver recoil absorbing pad.. a stretch on stock six shell holder... And a clip on trueglow/ hi vis ..front glow tube.. has a v that locks into the brass bead ... If I ever hear glass breaking in the night the 12 gauge shotgun is what I reach for

[@glenmo1]

P.S. the Maverick 88 home defender was only $220 brand new!

[@martyc1533]

Great Video! Like you, I have been an LE Firearms Instructor for many years. I can attest to the fact that MOST Police Officers HATE the 12 gauge qualification course. Unless they grew up around shotguns, the recoil factor was a negative to them. My agency selected Officers (who volunteered) and sent them to a Tactical Shotgun Course. These Officers were issued their own Remington Model 870 as well as a Tactical Vest which held several different types of shotgun rounds (OO, Birdshot, Slugs) and were trained in the use of each round. The beauty of a shotgun being that you can easily select the round best suited for the job at hand. To supplement the shotgun all Officers were issued and trained in the use of the M4 style carbine and had to qualify twice a year at distances up to 200 yards. Not exactly USMC standards but well enough for the intended use by LE. I recently purchased a KelTec KS7. After spending a few days at the range and putting a hundred or so rounds through it, It is now my "go-to" shotgun. Very easy to manipulate and move with. I attached a very bright light and added a padded stock. I love my Mossberg's and Remington's but this KelTec is awesome. If they ever make one is 20 gauge I will buy one for my wife (??) as a Christmas / Birthday gift!

[@hrfunk]

I want to try a KS7 someday. I shot something similar to it a few years ago, but I haven't tried the KT version yet. Thanks for watching, and stay safe.

[@martyc1533]

@@hrfunk They offer 14 shot version but in my opinion it is too heavy / bulky. The Recoil Reducing Butt Pad is a big help as well. The only thing I had to get used to was the shorter & quicker pump action. The front sight is sort of a "Tru-Glo" set up and works great outdoors in sunlight but I added a good light system for low light use.

[@sweet.dreams]

i was one of those who didnt like the recoil of a 12 ga so i switched to a 20 ga and was quite happy with it - not sure why more people just switch to 20 as its quite good - i used it a lot for hunting a variety of game and it never failed me

[@springbloom5940]

Reverse your stance. Hold the gun across your chest, lean forward, with your *strong-side foot forward* , like you're going to charge. Now, shoulder it. Its counterintuitive to a typical shooting stance, but it loads the recoil down to your hip, rather than your back, which twists.

[@KHugg1776]

Nothing wrong with 20 gauge

[@KHugg1776]

I bought, and refinished a 20Ga 870 youth model for my daughter... best buy ever. she loves it.

[@jeepsblackpowderandlights4305]

I have a 16ga sideby side and a 12ga 590 retro 8+1... depends on the load you use.. i pulled both triggers though on my 16ga side by side.. using 3.25 dram shells lol.. lets just say it shook my entire body and blew the barrel out of my left hand. I wasnt exoecting that.. so i hold it firmer now.. but yea even have a video of the recoil on my channle.. My other hand still had a grip on the wrist though.. but i had a purple bruise the size of my palm on my shoulder/arm for weeks after that

[@jennifernichols9468]

By the way with so many bs channels out there it's outstanding to have someone like you putting out truthful information. Too many knuckle heads on here who have never had a round go past their grape spouting b's. Keep it up you will be the next Paul Harrell my brother. SFMF

[@hrfunk]

Thanks Jennifer. Semper Fi!

[@danoneill2846]

HA!

[@DaveG1963]

I grew up as a young kid in the hills of WV with a shotgun in hand. Never touched nor had an autoloader until I was a grown man, yet to this day prefer the pump shotgun. I can cycle my old (1951) Model 12, and even my Model 1897 that’s 111 years old as fast and easily as I did as a young lad. Carried trench gun 1897s with full length 1917 bayonets as a young trooper on guard duty in Berlin mid 80s. We went to range often with them even. Size nor recoil bothered us. If I had a go to weapon for close range it would be my Model 12 full choke 32” barrel so I could reach out and touch someone 😉. Only other two alternatives would be my Ruger LC9S Pro 9mm with red dot laser. And if all else fails my AR. Many choices and I think comes down to what you are comfortable with, well trained with, as to why one chooses one over the other. Hard to beat Winchesters Perfect Repeater though! 😉 Good video, and good content HR! Keep up the good work!

[@hrfunk]

Thanks David. Will do!

[@jimr880]

We're quite new to shotguns...fired 'em over the years (had a couple friends who were skeet shooters) but never owned on until we picked-up a Beretta and Winchester a couple years ago. I'm retired military and, while we have a dozens of rifles and pistols, I feel most comfortable slinging lead from a tactical AR-15 while carrying an Beretta M9A4 and 45 ACP for good measure. Meanwhile, the missus trains, trains and trains with her Sig M17 and M&P Shield so that's what she's reach for. If given advance notice of a leftist mob attack, one of us is reaching for a shotgun but, like I mentioned, we haven't fired them often enough to rockstars during a crisis situation...we need to change this because the shotgun is a great home defense weapon. Cheers.

[@sgtmajtrapp3391]

Should be interesting, shotguns are old friends but various carbines can be very effective and easier for some people to shoot well due to recoil concerns.

[@mattwalters6834]

I think the handgun, carbine, and shotgun are all viable defensive weapons; depending on skill set.

[@sgtmajtrapp3391]

I always tell family and friends any home defense BATTERY should include a hand gun. They are simply handy and an immediate access weapon.

[@roykiefer7713]

@@sgtmajtrapp3391 Yes, and in a great many situations, the mere presentation of a weapon will immediately convince the felon to break contact (psychological stops). Of course, I am NOT suggesting that a firearm’s owner should ever be untrained, or fail to maintain his equipment, or not have a well considered defensive plan, or anything else of that sort. But any firearm - even a less than ideal one, for a given set of circumstances - is infinitely better than nothing at all. Many years ago - before firearm’s law were so extreme - I was living far out in the country (in Durham County, NC), while the Navy was attempting to educate me at Duke’s Business School. We owned a large piece of property, becuase our water came from our home’s well and our sewerage went into our home’s septic tanks. Teenage guys - and, hell, I understood this from experience - used to roam through our woods at night, raising a little Cain. This worried my wife, and one night I politely asked these guys to go elsewhere, while having my Remington 870 at port arms. It was all very civil and friendly . . . and I never saw or heard them again. The mere presence of a weapon quite often serves as a civilized - but a clearcut - warning.

[@sgtmajtrapp3391]

You're absolutely right, Roy. I would bet the presence of a firearm alone in the hands of good citizens deters more attempts by criminals to rob and steal than the actual discharge of the weapon. Course, we all must be prepared to use them if heaven forbid that need takes place and should never be used to scare someone in hopes that the sight of it will deter the dangerous actions. I would suspect the presence of a firearm deters 5X as many actual crimes than does having to shoot at some miscreant. Neat account from your own experience too

[@StryderK]

@@roykiefer7713 This! That’s what happened to one of my wife’s friend. We live in a nice neighborhood, average income over 250K. But even then…As the old Chinese adage says, you should not be afraid of 10,000, not even a million, not even a billion…..But, BUT that one thing with your name on it…Be VERY afraid! That’s what happened to her house. One night, she and her husband heard this noise in the backyard….They know they got a small storage house there storing their mower and lawn tools…And a small bags of valuables…Obviously, the two perps knew it too….Her husband immediately grabbed his hidden Glock and blew two hollow points and mud sprays later, the two perps ran off screaming!….That was enough for my wife, who gave me permission to go and get my first gun, a M9 and 20 rds of hollow points now in a 20 rds mag. Some people actually said, well, you sure that’s enough? I say the main purpose of home defense is NOT killing the perps, it’s too scare them off. I want to mostly stop them outside. If they are inside, then still, two very loud BOOM, BOOM, and two very egregious THUMP, THUMP against the wall will convince 90% of the perps they are swimming in dangerous waters! And if they’re THAT dangerous, as my old California gun instructor (was living in Calif. for awhile and you need to take a three week mandatory firearm class to buy anything) said, in that case, your firearm is something to keep them honest and heads down. Do not, repeat, DO NOT have a gunfight in the OK Corral! You main concern is to get your family, then yourself out of Dodge. Even if you have to jump out of the second story window and break some legs, DO IT! Nothing in that house is worth paying your, or your family’s life for!!!!!!!!!….Great words to live by!

[@1sonjohn44]

It has the highest chance of stopping a bad guy with 1 shot. I say yes!

[@hrfunk]

I’ve known of deer who have absorbed more than one slug. As always, shot placement is key.

[@mattwalters6834]

@@hrfunk shot placement is always key with any weapon; I believe there have been people who’ve been able to take more than one hit from buckshot before going down.

[@papimaximus95]

@@mattwalters6834 " believe there have been people who’ve been able to take more than one hit from buckshot before going down" Remember, you shoot bad people to change their bad behavior - not necessarily "go down". Getting hit ANYWHERE with all 8 or 9 pellets of buckshot I bet has changed 99.5% of all bad guys bad behavior.

[@richardwebb547]

You didn't speak to the pro's and con's of the boom/blast of each firearm in a enclosed environment or the over penetration of the ammo. To the uninitiated or the unprepared all choices are less than par. But I agree the 12 Ga. is your best option. Low penetration, high visibility, intimidation factor and the boom/blast will force all but the stupidest bad guy to flee.

[@markbecker71]

The 870 is my favorite, shot over a hundred deer with it, and probably the best duty gun, which can be used as a defensive club role, too.🤠👍.

[@rudrashakti108]

I just got into shotguns. What range do you hunt your deer with your shotgun?

[@markbecker71]

@Kali Das is usually within 100 yards, mostly 50 yards, but the longest I have hit one is over 350 yards. Don't do that. My smooth bore 870 will shoot a 3 inch group at 100 with win.x 12gage . Part of the reason is you have to clean the plastic residue out of the barrel every year from the wad. Good luck..remember to aim..best advice I was ever given. 🤠👍

[@rudrashakti108]

@@markbecker71 thanks!

[@virginia7370]

Back in the early 80s, when working as an LEO & instructor, I bought the finest combat weapon, a Remington 870P with 20in rifle sighted barrel. Ammo I preferred was the Remington 12ga 2-3/4 #1 buckshot (16 30cal. pellets). At 50yds on a B27 it would leave at least 4 or 5 holes (usually a few more). Installed a Choate mag. extension. Today, for home defense I think I might go with a Marlin 1894 in 44Mag. It, and my Sig P239 ought to do.

[@dalekidd420]

I think the biggest change in thinking affecting your ammo choice back then is the modern realization that you are responsible for every projectile you launch. You wouldn't want to pull that trigger at 50 yards in most cases, because you know that 75% of your projectiles are going God knows where. At typical home defense distances, however, that #1 Buck is going to be a meat grinder!

[@virginia7370]

@@dalekidd420 Nope. Biggest change in thinking is back then I lived in Wyoming. Today, Virginia. A Marlin 1894 in 44mag, would make a great home defense weapon, but also be pretty good in the fall for woods work on deer, And, I'm getting older so the recoil of the 12ga is a little more than I like these days. Back then it was fun. Now, not so much.

[@toddorr4521]

We had this one deputy years ago going through shotgun requalification and he put tampon on his shoulder to help absorb the recoil. But you are correct about a shotgun getting peoples attention, during my career a shotgun would gain compliance when nothing else would, especially if you had one of the military 870's with the extended tube.

[@hrfunk]

Yep. People just do what you tell them to!

[@alecswann7234]

@@hrfunk Chief Funk I don't think so any more. I can think of one high profile incident where instead one person just grabbed for the others shotgun. Another where the mere presence of a long gun incited mob attack. I am confident that was the case, I do not think that is the case anymore.

[@hrfunk]

There are certainly no guarantees, and the defensive shooter needs to employ good tactics and be prepared to take appropriate action. Still, as I mentioned, I’ve always received quick compliance when issuing instructions from behind a shotgun.

[@cliffhouser9138]

Another great and informative video. Thanks!!!

[@tpot91]

Turned my Red Ryder into a sawed off when I was about 12. All I got boys have a good weekend.

[@timnelson75]

I like the confidence the pump shotgun gives me. I've been hunting upland and waterfowl for many many years. I'm very familiar with handling a shotgun, and have no issues with the recoil. I keep a Winchester 12 gauge Defender, along with #4 buckshot with-in reach of our bed. But that's just me; I totally understand a small framed person, or a person not liking the weight and recoil of a shotgun choosing another option.

[@atumre4705]

Great presentation as always. So many options.

[@hrfunk]

Thanks so much!

[@Rnemhrd]

Shotguns, especially pumps can be hard to use for someone without experience. Harsh recoil. You can still miss in room size distance. Fist size patterns. A AR style carbine is easy to use with minimal training. The correct ammo will not over penetrate either. A carbine IMO is a better choice. Pistol caliber carbines are also very shootable for everyone. You make good points.

[@jovanjohn8294]

Great video! I ultimately decided on a Remington 870 wingmaster in 20 gauge, with a barrel cut and recrowned to 18.5”.

[@seekertwo1]

Great video! You did skip one 12ga pump alternative..... the pump shotgun in other chamberings. I'm a big fan of the .410 in a pump shotgun. It's easy on recoil, and there are several good SD loads available. I particularly like the effectiveness of the Federal Handgun 000Buck in the 18+" barrel. Unless you're hunting or involved in gun games (3-Gun, skeet, etc.), the .410 Bore is an excellent HD choice.

[@pgg0024]

A good informative video. I remember when we were first looking at 5.56mm carbines. We found in testing of our own that they went through less walls overall (with proper duty ammunition) than 12 gage duty rounds or pistol rounds. This is why we went to them instead of MP5s for high risk entries. You are right about officers not liking them. At my old agency shotguns were optional of officers wanted to use them. Out of 28 only me and another officer had them next to our rifles. Also something to consider is effective distance and precision. If we have to make precise shots then a slug is needed (unless close enough to control pellet spread) and how many officers practice proficiency in a slug changover and long shots. We qualed at 50 yards at them and it was hard to get precision shots vs easy with an AR. Now my state prohibits shotguns by law for law enforcement. When I have taken officer's wives out to learn shooting (at their husband's request) virtually everyone has decided to utilize an AR as their choice after trying multiple options. The recoil management, optics options and ability to just sit in a corner, call the calvary and wait is what they preferred. A side note for the handgun. If you need to hold onto a child or other being when protecting your home a handgun with a light and optic may be the best choice. But you had better practice.

[@hrfunk]

Wow! I was not aware that one of the states outlawed shotguns for police work. I find that shocking (and a little sad). Remind me which state you’re in, please.

[@pgg0024]

@@hrfunk Washington. They banned anything 50 cal or greater, not realizing that the shotgun is a 72 caliber. This also banned their use in a less lethal capacity along with 40mm launchers

[@hrfunk]

Astounding.

[@pgg0024]

@@hrfunk liberal politicians in their infinite wisdom to "reform police". They also banned Terry. Security can legally detain someone. We cannot

[@hrfunk]

I think we are seeing the results of their “wisdom” playing itself out. Stay safe out there.

[@YellowHammer26]

Started watching your channel about 3 weeks ago and really like your content .

[@hrfunk]

Thank you Lance!

[@hilltopper600]

great video, thanks keep up the good work

[@hrfunk]

Will do. Thanks for watching

[@americanpatriot477]

A 12Ga shotgun is an awesome weapon. A pump gun can be used with birdshot, and at room distances is devastating, without the fear if over penetration.

[@tendraftsdeep]

Truth! People don't appreciate the destructive capabilities of good birdshot in home quarters. Can also keep a couple buckshot in the tube if the bird doesn't do the job

[@reedsmythe2781]

one advantage of the shotgun is in low light situations, the peep sight on the ar 15 was difficult to see at night where the shotgun was easier. The 357 magnum cartridge is an excellent round it is effective round in a handgun or a rifle. I carried a 586 as my first duty weapon and I have a Winchester 92 in .357 that is one of my favorites.

[@thomaswhite2802]

Very practical video and very well spoken, especially the intimidation factor of the12 gauge as you n me at not need to fire after that first pump; “ie clitch clatch”

[@StryderK]

Another good thing about an AR-15 for home defense, as mentioned by my old firearm instructor since Californians need three weeks of firearm course before getting anything (used to live there). He said since most of us live in packed neighborhood (my current neighborhood in another state may not be as packed as California, but still at least 20 yards apart), if a home invader came, especially if you have frangible rounds, but FMJ works in pinch too, but make sure all rounds hits the dirt, especially soft dirt so they enter it and don’t bounce, but yes, if perps try to invite the house, open a window, aim at the dirt, DO NOT aim up and especially not straight, and squeeze two rounds into the dirt! Guarantee you the perps will be running for the hills pissing and shitting at the same time! I don’t understand it at first and only recently bought an M&P-15, but still, the first time I entered the range, someone squeezed off a 5.56mm round and I instantly understood why! The freaking thins IS LOUD! I felt as if I busted my eardrums! Also, the distinctive CrrrrraaaaacccccK of the supersonic round make sure everyone know someone just shot a gun! Also, that sound can be heard as much as 1.25 miles away so everyone in the neighborhood will wake up whether they like or not. So yeah, if you live in the burbs and have an AR, just shoot the dirt! Guarantee most perps will run like hell when the Crrrraaccck, Crrraccck just had everyone in the neighborhood call the cops!

[@hrfunk]

Something to consider is the effect of that sound on your hearing if you fire the AR indoors sans ear protection.

[@StryderK]

@@hrfunk yeah, the noise is a factor. Hence my warning shots probably will come out if mine M9 first….But if it comes down to my family or a few days if ringing ears…..I’ll 100% choose ringing ears!

[@18wheeler77]

I have two dedicated home defense firearms. My Mossberg 590 shockwave with a crimson trace laser and packed with Águila minishells. My second option is my Canik TP9v2. With a crimson trace light and a few 18 round mags.

[@hrfunk]

That sounds like a good combo!

[@18wheeler77]

@@hrfunk I meant option, not opinion. Lol

[@rebelyankee4910]

Good video. Spot on. Apparently we own, and deploy the same tools. Shotgun with a 7 round tube, and Colt .357 revolver are my bedside companions, and like you I have them all, and then some. LOL Couldn't help but notice the optic on the sub 2000, making it no fold. Why I bought mine! LOL Fits well into a racket bag, for a Town Car deployment that way, on long trips. 😎

[@hrfunk]

Thanks.actually the optic mount on my S2K is hinged. It moves the optic out of the way and allows it to fold normally.

[@rebelyankee4910]

@@hrfunk Very kewl. Still Backpackable! Might be a bit thick for my racket bag though. Thanks.

[@skipboyer1889]

Have had a Mossberg 500 for a long time. First gun my wife ever bought me. Has provided many a meal of Hasenpfeffer at the Boyer house. Personally, I like a side by side, coach style, for a home defense shotgun.

[@katg9507]

Another great video! Thank you.

[@JasperFromMS]

Ha! Your comments brought back memories. We were qualifying with the shotguns in about 1988. I had to shoot several times. I was using shotguns that were out of the cars I usually drove. Couldn't do crap. Same with ghe other officers. One of ghe old guys whispered, "Use the gun out of Car 7." It was an 870 Wingmaster with rifle sights. That did it. Car 7's gun patterned like a champ. When blew thru so much ammo, we didn't do that again for years. I recently bought a surplus 870 police from Sportsman's Outdoor Superstore in Ohio. It has a 20" Improved Cylinder barrel with rifle sights. It is dead on and I was putting most pellets on a steel silhouette at 60 yards recently. Slugs were dead on at that distance.

[@hrfunk]

You’ve just got to love a good 870. Thanks for watching!

[@thecocooreo]

AR15 with .223 55gr OTM, SP or HP + 30 rounds, a rifle the entire family can use because of it's extremely low recoil and adjustability, for those concerned about over penetration, Kyle Rittenhouse shot Anthony Huber with a single ball round while the muzzle was on his chest, the round never exited his body, that threat was neutralized immediately, Joseph Rosenbaum was shot four times with same ball ammo with no over penetration, this threat was also neutralized immediately

[@hrfunk]

What do you think about the report of the AR indoors?

[@brucearney9536]

Shot trap for years with a 870 . For me it just naturally points well . With a 870 and 1911 on my side I feel very well eguipped !

[@keithreh9338]

no centerfire rifles or carbines for HD in my connected townhouse (shared walls between domiciles)...when I feel a need for a rifle it is a ruger 10/22 compact; on the flip side...when I feel a need for a shotgun (12ga pump, 410 single shot, 20ga single shot) the first few shells are high brass bird shot (#4-#6) before buckshot (minimize overpenetration thru shared walls)

[@jsmith3772]

I think an important question to ask when choosing a home defense platform is what home am I trying to defend. Someone who lives in an apartment may want to choose something different than say someone living on a farm. For my self defense firearm I have a PCC because living in the woods it is easy to grab and take care of critters such as foxes, raccoons, or coyotes, however someone leaving on 100 acres of farmland would probably want a rifle handy to protect his livestock, whereas someone in an apartment may be more concerned about over penetration.

[@hrfunk]

Agreed.

[@karlnash7105]

If something is worth shooting, it's worth shooting 2 to 3 times. If I ever find myself in a situation where I have to shoot a "bad guy" at under 20yards, I WANT A 12 ga. Buck shot, buck shot, slug. Semper Fidelis

[@hrfunk]

Semper Fi Karl!

[@jamesalles139]

thanks for the video! My Mossberg 590M 12 ga has a 20 round box magazine, so there is that. It also has the advantage of selecting from the diversity of 12 ga shells in additional pre-loaded magazines.

[@jamesalles139]

@Peter Angles An exercise is left to the reader to Google it. but no, the 20 rd is about half of that (it is double stacked) and they are straight. The 5 rd is maybe 4"

[@jamesalles139]

@Peter Angles oh, and *'carry' == lug around

[@hrfunk]

May I ask how much it weighs?

[@jamesalles139]

* edit for accuracy: 20rd is about 12" long and is curved.

[@jamesalles139]

@@hrfunk Mossberg's site says 7 pounds 12 oz for the long gun; my mag w/ 20rd of 00 buckshot is 3 lbs 7 oz and a 5rd with a similar load is 1 lbs 6 oz. I'll have to weigh the gun once I finish adding accessories. It is a beast. I figure my primary threat vector would be a rabid black bear. They are OK as long as they are just going through the garbage on occasion.

[@seanhayes5928]

Great video with lots of food for thought. I keep a Ruger GP100 in my nightstand for home defense for two reasons. Number one, it’s easier to navigate with, in a dark or low light situation without the chance of bumping something, giving away my position. And number two the heavy double action trigger, I believe, lessens the chance of unintentional discharge due to adrenaline rush. Thanks H.R.

[@hrfunk]

You’re welcome Sean. Thanks for watching!

[@gregdelagrange8573]

Great video! I definitely agree about the recoil issue of the 12 gauge. I have the same Marlin 1894 for home defense and backup is my Ruger GP100 7 shot 357 revolver.

[@12floz67]

Another quality and informative video!🍻

[@hrfunk]

Thank you!

[@allenbuck5589]

Morning from my hill in Sc. Semper fi. 1371.

[@hrfunk]

Semper Fi Allen!

[@gutWrench9mm]

This data and educated content, along with the rest, makes giving time to hrfunk fully worth it

[@hrfunk]

Thanks Ricky!

[@mausercal65]

The 357 mag with 125 hp ammo out of a carbine is getting close to 2000 fps . That’s also a lot more muzzle energy. Really enjoyed this video.

[@hrfunk]

Yep, the .357 Magnum really picks up some zip from longer tubes. Thanks for watching!

[@ryanranard5187]

357 mag is no where close to a 12 gauge in power. I’m hoping I just read your sentence wrong.

[@mausercal65]

@@ryanranard5187 I never said it was ?

[@ryanranard5187]

@@mausercal65 lol okay my bad. I read it wrong then 😅

[@lowspeedhighdrag]

I was a shotgunner long before I started to become a rifleman, both as a hunter and law enforcement officer. It’s still our agency’s entry level long gun. Those of us rifle qualified still are required to deploy with the shotgun also. The cruisers don’t seem to mind the weight of both.

[@hrfunk]

I know some departments are deploying both, but many are not.

[@lowspeedhighdrag]

@@hrfunk There are still situations that I'd go to the shotgun and leave the rifle in the trunk.

[@lowspeedhighdrag]

@@hrfunk We have sometimes been asked to dispose of animals for much larger surrounding agencies since we still have our shotguns and they do not.

[@chrissanchez9935]

Sir, I am now using Fiocchi low-recoil slugs for my customized shortened 12-inch barrel Hatsan Aimguard shotgun (no restriction in the Philippines) for primary home defense use. I tested some at the range and has even less recoil than Armscor 1-oz slugs, which the recoil is already relatively soft enough.

[@hrfunk]

Interesting. How are they in terms of on-target performance?

[@chrissanchez9935]

@@hrfunk, even rapid offhand shooting, at 25 yards, my WORST performance was hitting "charlie" at standard IPSC target boards. Therefore for home defense, considering I also have a modest sized yard, I assume the 12-inch shotgun-low recoil ammo combo is adequate for my needs.

[@RangeRoninChronicles]

The home defense shotgun is a Mossberg 590 "Nightstick" with laser and set up for firing shorty shells (with adapter). At in-home distances, the "shorties" is all that I need. A .73-caliber, 5/8-ounce lead slug traveling somewhere in the vicinity of 1250fps can be quite brutal...on the bad guy without being brutal to the good guy in terms of recoil. With that said, I hope that I never need to use it. Having had to lite off a 12-gauge in a closed space at one time, without hearing protection, I can say that the lose of hearing that followed has not endeared me to the shotgun for protection inside the home, although the loss of hearing has an advantage when the wifey complains about me not taking out the trash😁.

[@billlindsay2593]

Standing and clapping, great content. It is hard to do a week of comparison in 18 minutes. You left out the mag feed shot guns and 20 ga and 410, yes they have less 00 buck. I like to think of a shot gun helps you to catch up in a fire fight, meaning with a single pull of trigger 6-9 buck pellets at your treat. A single pellet is greater than a 30 cal bullet. It would take 6-9 pulls on trigger to send rounds to treat. Do not want to get in to size myths. Also you did not have time to discuss cartage vs shot variances but not enough time to do that. Great data for beginners to catch basics to mull over in their mind, which gives them a chance to ask better questions. Again this was a great video.

[@hrfunk]

Yes, this was more of an overview. If I’d tried to go more in depth, the video would have been so long that no one would have ever watched it.

[@robertmakowski7808]

Very concisely done.... On ammo for the shotgun...there is a BIG differ5ence in recoil when using the LOW RECOIL tactical buckshot and slugs, especially from Federal with their FlightControl wads, than standard velocity buckshot...

[@hrfunk]

I know. Even so, I prefer the full power loads.

[@robertmakowski7808]

@@hrfunk ...buckshot, even full load 00, doesn't do well against cars or most any barriers anyway and for humans none are going to know the difference between 1150 and 1350 fps... Did 30 years in the business...retired before rifles became popular as patrol guns...would have preferred to have a shotgun when doing a building/house search any time over a rifle.

[@hrfunk]

@@robertmakowski7808 Understood Robert. And thank. It’s mostly a psychological thing. I just prefer the full power loads.

[@robertmakowski7808]

@@hrfunk Just purchased a Mossberg 930 JM 22" and am interested in seeing if the low recoil BS and slugs will run in it. I ran three tactical shotgun classes several years ago and some of the semis didn't like the low recoil stuff at all...these were 1100s and Bennellis...

[@hrfunk]

@@robertmakowski7808 it has been my experience that the semi autos have always functioned more reliably with full power ammo. I hope yours runs well with whichever ammo you prefer

[@mdell4959]

Excellent job of discussing the various options for home defense. Obviously there is no single option that is best for everyone. I am still able to deal with the recoil of a 12ga. My affinity for the shotgun dates back to my LE days in the 1970s and early 80's. Old habits die hard.

[@armoredghost6180]

Intro music is very 80s. Awesome.

[@derweibhai]

I have recently found that a tube fed shotgun stored loaded long term with the newer soft plastic shells will jam. The soft plastic will mushroom and the shells will not feed. It is real tough getting quality ammo these days.

[@hrfunk]

Hmm. I have never seen that. What brand of ammo was it?

[@derweibhai]

Fiocchi bulk 00 buck. Came in 250 packs prior to Ammogeddon. Clear shell cases. Many of the Rio and other off brand shells will do the same. Happened in my A-5, 1301, and 1300. The front end by the crimp flattens out and the front of the shell wont fit into the chamber. It is caused by the mag spring pushing them together, and I would guess that heat in the room didnt help anything. Using Federal Flight Control fixed all issues with the exception of my empty wallet.

[@hrfunk]

@@derweibhai Interesting. The only time I’ve encountered that particular issue is with dummy rounds that have been loaded and cycled through shotgun actions hundreds (maybe thousands) of times over the course of many years.

[@mattwalters6834]

Looking forward to it

[@gregb6469]

There is one other factor you did not mention that for some people is very important--cost. A good security-type shotgun can be purchased for quite a bit less than any type of carbine, whether an AR or a pistol-caliber. Two Stevens 320s or Maverick 88s can be had for the price of one AR. As for recoil, that can be lessened, with some 12-gauge shotguns, by loading mini-shells.

[@hrfunk]

I meant to mention the lesser cost of good shotguns, but it completely slipped my mind. Thanks for catching it.

[@SgtHulkasToe]

I bought an Extar EP9 PCC for what I thought would be home defense only. It's turned into the gun I shoot the most. Addictive.

[@rushedandlost]

I have two defense shotguns. An inexpensive Maverick 88 with long magazine, and a shorter barrel Winchester Defender Model 1300. As well as the semiauto and revolvers talked about in the video. The Lever action as well as the semi auto pistol cartridge carbines are interesting. I will investigate these as explained. I also have thought about a bantam sized 20 Ga shotgun inside the home for defense purposes. In addition, in my night stand I have a set of electronic hearing protection. My thinking is If time allows, put these on, turn them on, I could hear better with the amplification feature, and not go deaf if I must fire a weapon inside my house. Good things to consider, Thanks.

[@hrfunk]

You’re welcome!

[@LYLEWOLD]

I have a Mossy 930 8-shot, and a 590, but it's my CZ SP-01 I keep ready for home defense. As others mentioned, finding a place to practice shotgun can be challenging (and expensive), especially here in CA. But also, a big one for me is a pistol is so much easier to bring in close, or swap to the other side, when navigating around blind corners. I doubt if I'll ever have to find out if I'm right or wrong, but there's my thinking on home defense firearms for my little slice of suburban SoCal.

[@papimaximus95]

"a pistol is so much easier to bring in close, or swap to the other side, when navigating around blind corners." Why would you do any of that? Get some training.

[@LYLEWOLD]

@@papimaximus95 I'm right-handed, the first corner out of the master bedroom is to the right. If I had to go down that way, I'd swap the pistol to my left and carefully slice that pie until I had a clear view of the entire hallway. At the end of that hallway it turns to the left, so I'd have the pistol in my right hand as I carefully sliced that pie. Tell me, O lord of the home defense, how should I have done it?

[@papimaximus95]

@@LYLEWOLD "Tell me, O lord of the home defense, how should I have done it?" Hence the point of getting some training. There is a reason why even trained professionals do not "clear" structures alone.

[@LoneStarLawman]

I have found over the years, a 20 gauge shotgun is easier to handle and easier to shoot, for any member of the family, and will be adequate to use in a home defense situation. I prefer an AR-15 5.56, or my Cimarron Arms lever action saddle ring carbine, in .357 magnum, over the shotgun for reasons you discussed in your excellent video.

[@onpsxmember]

If the 20 gauge is of similar weight than the 12 gauge, it is. If it's a much lighter 20 gauge, the recoil can be worse.

[@LoneStarLawman]

I have experienced the recoil is lighter. That is why it is more manageable.

[@chasa4347]

haha - I think you were talking directly to me! The only bruise I've ever been given was from a 12-gauge shotgun. I'd rather use a 454 Casull for home defense, it hurts less! Another great video HR.

[@hrfunk]

Thanks Chas!

[@gregb6469]

Birdshot can be quite effective for home defense at short (

[@hrfunk]

Agreed.

[@alanpruett2217]

I have the same 870 you have. Great shotgun. I live in town, so background is always a concern, and for that reason, in a long gun, I prefer a shotgun.

[@frankhinkle5772]

Good video, good discussion on the pros & cons of home defense weapon choices. I'm in SoCal, so the AR platform is out of the question. My home defense "carbine/rifle" is loading slugs into my 12ga. pump gun.

[@waynehajek6346]

The Marlin 1894 in 357 is great for HD, but if under stress you short stroke the lever, you may wind up with a carrier jam and now have transitioned to a club.

[@hrfunk]

That’s a valid point and it reinforces the necessity of training with any defensive firearm.

[@joefw2446]

Solid information. Thanks!

[@hrfunk]

You’re welcome joe. Thanks for watching!

[@travischapin886]

Chief, I keep an 870 Express Magnum pump action 12 gauge and an M-1911A1 Gov't model .45 and a Marlin {JM stamped} M-94 .44 Magnum handy. I don't see anyone or anything coming to get me. If need be, I have a SxS Baikal 12 gauge in 12 gauge and 00 Buck with both barrels loaded with 00 Buck, too. If the stuff gets real, I got an AR-15 or my trusty M-1 Garand.

[@hrfunk]

I think you’re well seemed Travis!

[@danoneill2846]

joe said get your double barrel , walk outside & fire 2 blasts in the air all is well !!

[@hrfunk]

Well, I guess that’s the answer.

[@tommcqueen3145]

Good show. an Idea for a show would be witch type of firearm would have the least flash blinding effect on the the person defending their home in the dark / Some states have a bane on flash hiders

[@bobbyw9046]

I have always favored a 12 gauge Pump (Remington M870, Winchester M12, Ithaca M37, Mossberg 500 etc.) as a HD gun over a Rifle or Pistol. In certain really tight places a pistol works out better but to me a Rifle is just too much gun for HD. I suppose in rural areas an AR style rifle would do the job, but for most applications would just be over penetrative, way to loud and more controversial than a home owner would want in court!

[@hrfunk]

The PCC's also work well.

[@nathanlambshead4778]

I recently switched out my 12 ga. pump for a 20 ga. pump for the home Defense shotgun. It is lighter and easier to handle. With #1 buckshot it seems pretty powerful. Destrows a pumpkin at 15 feet just like my 12 did. I will say, however, that it kicks harder than my 870 wood stocked 12 ga. Because of the lesser weight no doubt. Surprised me though. Still able to handle it of course.

[@hrfunk]

I'm glasd that 20 GA works for you Nathan. I had one a few years ago and foolishly traded it.

[@spiritualawakenings6251]

So when are we going to see a video on what really happens if you use + P ammo in your SAA or Schofield? Great video by the way.

[@hrfunk]

Ha, ha! Stay tuned!

[@SierraBravo347]

Funny...I was always told that a handgun was a Secondary weapon, whose purpose was to get you to your Primary weapon...which you should've never put down...yet everyone places So Much Importance on them. If something goes Bump in the night (or day) I'm more than likely grabbing my shotty...which is equipped with an a2 style collapsible stock, and railed forend with a light mouted to it. If I should need to retreat back to my bedroom, I'd transition to one of my handguns...which ever one I grabbed first. If I have to retreat back to my bedroom (which is in the Back of the house) things have gone Far South, and I'm in DEEP to begin with if they've survived that far...

[@tomahawk1911]

Near exact quote from the writings/teaching of Col. Jeff Cooper, may he RIP. He believed in keeping your rifle/carbine within arms reach, if not in your hands, whenever possible.

[@SierraBravo347]

@@tomahawk1911 Lt Col Cooper is the Father of Modern Firearms training, and I agree with and follow All his teachings. Anyone who doesn't shouldn't own and handle firearms, imo. He was a Great man and influence on the tools we all love and respect.

[@onpsxmember]

My issue with all the long guns indoors is the high SPL. If I sit through 2-3 years of court BS and financial drain I want to keep my hearing. I'd have to go to extreme lengths to get a can, and again it increases the length. What I think is up and coming are all sorts of braces for handguns which can be either small and just add another contact point or those that enjoy catching every bit of dirt a handgun can give. The ability to be accurate under stress is elevated signifcantly, but the weight is still low, one hand is enough if necessary and even more potent handgun rounds are manageable this way. I think it's one of the upsides in my area to not have any tax BS by adding a shoulder aid.

[@petermonck5448]

All viable options. Thanks again. 👍 😎🙏

[@Sourpusscandy]

I would like a Benelli M4 with the 7rd tube. At frist, I wanted a Benelli Montefeltro. Hmmm I’ve got the Hoover Effect similar to the Coolidge Effect, but with guns!

[@hrfunk]

You could probably find something just as effective but much less expensive. Thanks for watching!

[@williambarnette1049]

I believe with the advent of low recoil slugs and double ought buckshot with flash reduction make the shotgun a superlative weapon for just about any circumstances. As usual Chief another great video.

[@3wheelmannc860]

If you are going to go boom...really go boom. Slug, 00 or 000 - pump or semi-auto...tube or mag fed, variety is a good thing.

[@hrfunk]

Yep. There are many good defensive options out there these days.

[@mr.goldenrod291]

If I had to own only one gun, it would be a shotgun. It’s a do-everything gun - hunt, pest control, self-defense, target practice including trap shooting and sporting clays. I even use it to prune pine trees. I have one mounted on my tractor for quick access while on my land. I evaluated many types of guns for that role, and the pump 12ga shotgun was the most versatile, reliable, cheapest, effective, and with readily available ammo of many types. Although I have buckshot, I have found the larger sizes of bird shot to be more useful. The sizes of BB, BBB, and T balance the # of pellets, energy, pattern spread, and recoil. I base this on my research (reading lots of ammo specs) and many years of hunting. At home defense ranges, I confident in my ammo selection. As you stated in a previous video, a shotgun shooting is a messy situation.

[@hrfunk]

Yes it is. Thanks for watching!

[@jasonusaf6326]

I love a good shotgun. But I chose a G19 as my home defense because it’s much easier to maneuver through my home with, due to the layout especially when half asleep. I also have a rail mounted light on it. 👍🏻

[@papimaximus95]

" because it’s much easier to maneuver through my home with, due to the layout especially when half asleep." So many things wrong with that statement. Get some training.

[@jasonusaf6326]

@@papimaximus95 oh? Because you don’t think you would be slightly disoriented when abruptly awoken from sleep in the middle of the night by the sound of someone breaking into your home? Wow I just must not be the special ops commando that you are. I mean, damn I don’t sleep with one eye open. I may need more training…I certainly won’t argue there. But id rather be a practical, rational individual that needs more training than an arrogant, egocentric tactical commando in my own mind and THINK I know more or have more abilities than I actually do. But, that’s just my opinion.

[@jasonusaf6326]

@@papimaximus95 and one more thing…my bedroom is separated from the rest of my home by a 42” wide corridor that 90 degrees into my living room…not the best to maneuver a long gun through…hence my comments on maneuvering

[@socalkook370]

@@jasonusaf6326 Sorry bud Papi Maximus clearly knows your own house's layout better than you, so you must be wrong lmao

[@johncoleman2495]

Thats a question for every individual.....but for me, YES!!!I'd like to address a couple of the things I hear repeated over and over in these kinds of videos. 1) being that shotguns are long and heavy. My current bedside shotgun sits right next to an AR carbine with its collapsible stock set to my preferred LOP and the shotgun is exactly 3/8 of an inch longer. Heavier , yes I will concede that. But given that weight comes directly from its much more effective payload I'm more that willing to accept that! As far as capacity goes an AR carbine in 5.56 with a 30 rounds magazine and 55 gr ammunition has the ability to launch 30 .22 caliber 55 gr projectiles down range with 30 pulls of the trigger. My Shotgun loaded with 9 rounds of 00 buckshot can put 81 .33 caliber 52gr projectiles down range with 9! At home defense distances I'd take the shotgun every time! I love the AR platform and it has its place, but in a home defense situation it's not even close! I have made the statement more than I'd like to have in my lifetime going all the way back to the days of people arguing the 6 round capacity of a revolver being inadequate for home defense . And what I ask is, can you give me reliable verifiable examples of where someone defending their home needed more than 6-8 rounds of .357 magnum or 12 gauge buckshot to do so? And I would also argue that anyone that did lacked proper proficiency with their selection of weapon not lacked capacity. And that person would more than likely have lost that fight with a 15-17 round 9mm pistol or a 30 round AR carbine.

[@hrfunk]

Another interesting question to ponder would be “how many times were multiple assailants dispersed by discharging a single round of shotgun ammo?”

[@johncoleman2495]

@@hrfunk I train pretty regularly, as anyone and everyone should and I'm currently using my fifth semi auto shotgun that's now gone almost 2200 rounds with only 2 malfunctions. Both of which were cheap bulk federal birdshot training ammo. I don't believe I'd have any problem putting down multiple assailants with multiple rapid shots.... with full power buckshot I can keep 5-6 hulls in the air without missing a silhouette at 15 yards....I can definitely put a lot more lead down range quickly with a shotgun than I can with an AR carbine. And I'm no slouch with that either. And as you stated yourself, buckshot is absolutely devastating at home defense ranges. No hand or shoulder fired weapon is more effective at close range.

[@johncoleman2495]

​@@hrfunkI like to add that I have no problem firing 200 rounds in a session, almost always more that half of the buckshot or slugs. And although I understand a shotgun may not be for everyone, it's not as hard to become proficient with one if you have the mindset to do it. And although I'm not a big fan of them, these modern reduced recoil loads are pretty mild by comparison. All I'm saying is in the right hand with the right mindset and a little practice, you cannot beat a shotgun inside the home.

[@hrfunk]

I agree.

[@frankwebster3656]

Really good Video. Shotguns are to me, the most Versatile Weapon out of them all. TAKE CARE.

[@hrfunk]

Thanks Frank!

[@stantheman5163]

I moved to South Georgia as a young man and my wifeś male cousins couldn´t believe that I did not own a shotgun. ¨You gotta have a shotgun¨ was the apparent rule in those parts. Off I went with them to KMart and purchased a single shot 12 Ga. On the way home I dispatched 3 rattlesnakes crossing the sandy back road leading to their house. Lesson learned. Regretfully I sold that piece when we moved from Georgia, but it provided good service against all manner of snakes and bagged more than its share of squirrels, doves and quail. I almost shot my foot off with my Mossberg 500 once while turkey hunting, but that was totally operator error.

[@onpsxmember]

How did it happen? Most of the time that's valuable to learn from.

[@richierich3053]

Always thought about going with the shotgun or ar pistol setup but for alot of reasons always come back to the handguns that I lug around with me the majority of the year simple striker fired no safety besides the one between my ears and am pretty darn confident with at bedroom/hallway distances.

[@tomkatusa912]

Good presentation..

[@hrfunk]

Thank you!

[@johnqpublic2718]

100 yards and in, it's never a bad option: just gotta keep feeding it!

[@jwc00789]

While I have all of the options mentioned, including an old 12 gauge Remington 1100 set up with a Slug/Riot Barrel, I've come to favor my old Marlin Camp 9 Carbine for extreme Home Defense, particularly since I live in a populated area where over penetration is a concern. The Marlin Camp 9 takes S&W 5900 series Magazines.

[@hrfunk]

Yep. Back in the early 1990s we had Camp 9s in our patrol cars. I should have bought one when they were retired.