Programming Language Tier List

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[@ConnerArdman]

These comments have gotten a little... out of hand. Let me clarify a few things: 1. The point here was not to say that some languages have no use cases. It was just meant to be fun and discuss languages I do/don't enjoy using and their overall impact on the industry. Use whatever you want to use or whatever works for your needs - I use many of the languages I ranked lower in this list frequently. 2. I never said I don't understand Python or that it was garbage. I use Python professionally basically every day, and I ranked it fairly highly. I just focused on the negatives as many of the positives are a given. The point is to share my deviations from the standard take. 3. My "problem" with Python and why I didn't rank it higher is that it consistently breaks conventions. It might even make better choices than languages before it, but imo it deviates too much from syntactical norms. This makes it a pain in large dev teams as people who don't work in Python every day have to look at loops with code like enumerate(range(whatever)) and try to convert that to traditional loops in their head. Or they have to look at list comprehension messes that oftentimes prioritize conciseness over readability. The increment operator was just one tiny example of this, but there are many more. Also I personally am just not a huge fan of the whitespace sensitivity over curly braces, but that's mostly personal preference. 4. Yes I am aware TS exists, and when I say JS I am more of referring to both of them. This might heat some frontend devs, but TS is a syntax extension of JS, it's closer to a framework than its own language. 5. Some reasoning behind JavaScript in GOAT: It can easily be used on the frontend and backend, and it has the most developers who know it. This gives it more versatility than arguably any other language, and it helps prevent context switching. It's an incredibly efficient way to work for full-stack developers. There are more jobs using JavaScript than any other language. The open source ecosystem/community is larger than any other. Despite what random comments will tell you, it's generally pretty performant in the modern day. This is less an artifact of the language itself and more the deep level of effort put into implementations of it, but still worth stating. Also, I just enjoy the syntax personally, but at the end of the day that's just a personal preference. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk, carry on with your intended JS flame. Just be kind to each other please 🤝

[@justinth963]

You could say that python is a syntax extension of C with that same argument.

[@ConnerArdman]

@@justinth963 ​ That's not a reasonable extension of the argument. For Python to be a syntax extension, C code would have to be valid Python code, which it is not. All JavaScript code is valid TypeScript code. TypeScript simply extends the language with some extra syntax. This is not much different than how JSX is a syntax extension of JS allowing for inline XML. This is basically said verbatim in the header of their official website, just without the word "extension": "TypeScript is JavaScript with syntax for types." A more reasonable comparison would be to say that C++ is a syntax extension of C. I'd argue that this is a correct statement as C++ is a superset of C. This one would be a bit more debatable though, as they have diverged significantly more than JS and TS have-hence why I included them separately.

[@justinth963]

@@ConnerArdman I guess what I mean is that typescript transpiles to javascript. in my mind, a framework would be more like jquery.

[@sandeepbhartiya7486]

What about java?

[@flymykim]

HAO DERR U SAY THAY BOUT MY LANGUIAGE!!! but honestly where is java?

[@dies200]

Python: confusing garbage JS:

[@forestmanzpedia]

As someone who worked with JavaScript I approve this lmao

[@lolman6976]

​@@forestmanzpedia as someone who had a job doing basic python ai and did a few freelancing on fiver I would like to say both are complicated so let's just burn the syntax

[@theelitelance7586]

@@lolman6976 Tf is that text alignment

[@petrlaskevic1948]

JS is a pile of garbage, Python is MUCH less quirky

[@Kanal-yh5xi]

​@@theelitelance7586 the name of the person he answered to is read right to left instead of left to right so KZbin auto aligns the text accordingly.

[@BarishChandran]

Got it. Programming === "Frontend Development"

[@martim1379]

1 == "1"

[@kaifalarkaifarik8537]

😂😂😂

[@helloworld2054]

That's what every beginner thinks 😂

[@martapfahl940]

You have very limited knowledge thinking Javascript === „Frontend“. Instead consider Javascript === [Frontend, Backend, Desktop Apps, mobile Apps, …rest] 😅😉

[@DorperSystems]

@@martapfahl940 please stop using javascript for desktop software

[@oxfaaaaa9687]

Fun fact: the brain of the guy is coded in JavaScript

[@BoundedLead]

Stop be so mad come on dude thats just program languages you cant be so mad at someone's opinion

[@Hasde_dfs]

@@BoundedLeadthe thing is that at that point it may as well be misinformation, JavaScript was so bad they created another language to fix its “quirks”.

[@eldolarescaro676]

​@@BoundedLead it is a joke

[@justanaveragebalkan]

@@BoundedLead But you can be mad at someones objectively bad opinion, and things like this should be called out because then other morons find them, long story short people start using a scripting language for backend. Oh wait that already happened. You can't simply say that JavaScript is better than PHP, i don't even write PHP for a living, but one is a scripting language running on single thread and the other one is basically a c processor. Not to mention the amazing ecosystem around Laravel, that just lifts the language to another level. But most importantly, the dude made the biggest mistake, he didn't show GO as a godlike language.

[@ellayin0406]

No its coded in scratch jr

[@dabherolivee3910]

Python: confusing Javascript: no errors, your code is fine but i am bored so error at 1:7 lmao.js

[@tanishkagupta6864]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Akii_4518]

That shit happens with me every time so i move on with other language 😏

[@ponalvsiki2254]

Do you know yield, enum and other weird keywords in Python?

[@s3dghost]

😂😂😂 I just went through the same thing on my last project..... JavaScript be messing around with you... Even if your code is fine😂😂

[@emadraza3698]

haha yeah the error appears at the bracket and it shows the warning sign at in between the code like wth is that

[@global-k3v]

Non-JavaScript developers: This language is trash JavaScript developers: This language is trash

[@matteofalduto766]

As a big fan of JavaScript, I can confirm it is trash.

[@СпартакСильва]

yeban

[@martinmeza8551]

true

[@VinayakGupta08_]

Java and C++ should be on Tier 1

[@СпартакСильва]

@@VinayakGupta08_ no

[@isthenew-wy2kd]

if Python is confusing then wtf is JS doing up there 😂

[@Agent-1840]

“confusing” wasnt the only problem he mentioned

[@Femboy_Jophiel]

JS is insanely good at doing the things it was made to do. Python is decent at most things, except a ton of basic stuff like what he mentioned in the video. The only reason you would use python over JS is for M.L.

[@ashuking8535]

JS is the king of web, JS is the only language that you can use to make full stack web application also it is used in other things as well like AI, Game dev, App dev, Software Dev. Whereas python is more focused on data science and ML kind of stuff although its very good language but not as good as JS. Dosen't matter how good you know python and it's web frameworks but you still need to know JS for web dev.

[@RestlessSpin]

@@ashuking8535 So your saying for someone who wants to learn programming I should learn Java as first programming language? (Im that person)

[@โอตาคุโง่ๆคนหนึ่ง]

@@RestlessSpin If you mean Java then no. If you mean Javascript then yes and no. You can learn almost anything for first language to learn program behavior and algorithm then you can step up to another language. For first language i don’t recommend to learn OOP language like java c# or specific language like r matlab.

[@NicoFye]

Wtf, Python is confusing, but JS is GOAT? Give me whatever this guy is smoking

[@frenzyfrfr]

this guy somehow looks like son of mark zuckerberg

[@ThisShitWontWor]

@@frenzyfrfrif Zuckerberg was smoking too much zaza

[@aissaderras6973]

😭😭😭 omg how ?!

[@artoriapd]

If you start with Python, then it will be easy for you, but if You start with other programming language that syntax were C-Like, e.g. C, C++, or JS (or TS?), then Python syntax is is confusing and very unconventional, for example: In other programming language, ternary might look like: a ? b : c While in Python it's b if a else c The syntax is unconventional unless you start with Python. Edit: Fixed typo, 1 letter typo though haha!

[@GDT-Studio]

​@@artoriapdtrue

[@r.f2173]

How is the most confusing language oftentimes used as the first language for beginner programmers to learn? The vast majority of the time Python is like reading a book, it's that straightforward to comprehend.

[@darkhevenscall]

When you try to abstract it all it becomes easy to learn but imposible to improve

[@garak55]

Learning to code in python is like learning to ride a bike with the training wheels soldered into the bike.

[@ProxyFirewall540]

Honestly, I completely disagree. I tried to learn python and just couldn’t get my head around it. It’s so frustrating to use and the syntax is so weird. I recently tried to learn JavaScript, and all I had to do to learn it was look up a few things and BOOM! It felt so intuitive, I felt like anything I wanted to do was exactly how I thought it would be done. Don’t understand why people hate JavaScript but love python.

[@satyamsharma3524]

Bro is a HTML programmer😂😂

[@1mol831]

:)

[@PanosPitsi]

HTML isn’t even a programming language 😊

[@satyamsharma3524]

@@PanosPitsi i already know bro... it's just written in a Sarcastic way😌

[@sadkefekaya6442]

​@@PanosPitsiIKR

[@VastuullinenPommittaja]

​@@PanosPitsi it's literally the joke

[@sleepycatgaming8644]

"C might not able to compete with the other modern languages" C *created* most of the modern languages.

[@quadroninja2708]

In some cases like microcontroller programming C is like the only language among high-level ones that can be used

[@marcossidoruk8033]

Ikr? Operating systems are still written in C and many high performance libraries too. This guy is clearly a webdev and thus is absolutely clueless in anything computer related, no wonder he doesn't know about systems programming.

[@Rismose]

@@marcossidoruk8033 even python is written in C

[@christophsiebert1213]

C basically powers every modern language. Tell me how all the modern languages interface with OS native methods OR how their compilers were written. Right, they are all C. Not putting C in GOAT still under appreciates how much it is still used today.

[@OPCC2]

This is why I don’t understand when people rank and rate languages like this…. Comparing different tool sets completely.

[@kumar-jatin-2000]

The best language is the one that pays your bills.

[@marouanesaad6837]

And it is python

[@16psycho]

last answer

[@aasastudios5852]

asswmbly and c

[@F_Du_Sea]

@@aasastudios5852 Assembly? You mean compiled C and C++?

[@ollivainionpaa684]

Body

[@ExodiumTM]

1-based indexing for mostly mathematical-related problems makes far more sense than 0-based indexing because matrices in mathematical equations always start from row and column 1. 0-based indexing would mean a zillion off-by-one errors. This dude's absolutely never used MATLAB

[@Andreizila]

he probably doesn't even know what matlab is used for =)

[@cicada3310]

Yes MATLAB is awesome for matrix manipulation and its better than python numpy

[@piciperkuadrik4636]

​@@Andreizila he's not a scientist, of course he won't know that. Maybe if he mogged more he could be a sigma.

[@garak55]

matlab is nice. It has a lot of nice use cases for experiment control, pretty good data acquisition/image acquisition toolboxes, even has a GUI toolbox that's really easy to use and you can do all of the data processing in the same language after that. Doing half as much in Python you'd need to spend months hitting your head against stack overflow answers. Ask me how I know.

[@lucaxtshotting2378]

And who has.

[@someone4860]

I think you are Front end dev

[@HuntingKingYT]

Like me (I'd have the same table)

[@abhilashpatel6852]

🤣🤣 yes, only a front end would say that

[@Saverax._33]

🤣🤣🤣

[@gokikuburi8653]

@@HuntingKingYT soyjack front end vs deranged julia analytic enjoyer

[@glauberbispo8922]

yeah, js is only used in frontend lol we don't have node js for api, or react native for mobile

[@_tym3k]

when he said "JS is the GOAT tier" I knew this video was a joke

[@PulcherEtFortis]

maybe the standards he uses are regarding usability in today's industry..

[@yourmomsboyfriend3337]

@@PulcherEtFortisthen JavaScript should be with R and MatLab. At least use something with a type system like Typescript

[@luissaumeth8000]

@@PulcherEtFortis Then python should be the GOAT, not JS.

[@VanGoee]

@@luissaumeth8000 C++ is the one and only GOAT

[@nefarious8278]

Comred

[@itznukeey]

JS is so goat that they have created another language to fix its weird behavior

[@adamfattal468]

TS?

[@lowellthoerner1209]

​@@adamfattal468 yes

[@gerald3315]

and stil it sucks

[@pranavkolambkar]

Lol 😂

[@kerimgueney]

That's true for every language lol. What do you think the ++ in C++ stands for?

[@phrofile3613]

NEVER LET THIS BRO COOK AGAIN 💀

[@luismedina5792]

Agreed

[@felixpuscasu5625]

JavaScript GOAT. Tell me you simp webdev without telling me you simp webdev

[@publicalias8172]

A totally valid programmer.. definitely.. websites.. yeah.

[@ky3ow]

I dont even think competent webdev would say js goat, many prefer typescript because its not fun when you search for 1 hr just to realise your colleague forgot to convert string into number at some point of code

[@yyyd6559]

@@ky3ow js and ts are basically almost the same

[@ky3ow]

@@yyyd6559 that's why competent human won't say js is greatest when ts exists, its js but better

[@yyyd6559]

@@ky3ow yeah i think js should be completely replaced by ts

[@auxol4025]

dont worry guys, his brain is just experiencing a runtime error right now

[@pah967]

it's an Object, but not the right kind😂

[@s_r_bistofficial5797]

😂😂

[@mukithasan9684]

There was an error when returning the information so he got the default answers which was written by some new js developer

[@ThisShitWontWor]

He forgot the try/catch block 😂

[@medooazmi]

nah i think its just a syntax error somewhere probably console.log(" '); doesn't work well

[@perestroika221]

C: Hall of fame JS: GOAT No fucking way

[@gonzalouribe7729]

True

[@xsanos2586]

Most of his system is wrote in C. Bro should show some respect🤣

[@MaxvanVeelen-tr9nl]

JS is a mess

[@davidli9887]

As a mathematician, I hate the fact that the programming language index starts from 0

[@christiaanterveen4633]

If a train would move from a to b, and you have a list for the speed of the train at each kilometer mark starting at a and ending at b, it would make sense that the first item of that list is at 0.

[@TheLifeofEarth]

O at 0km? All this is confusing as lol

[@marsbars1105]

Python: confusing garbage JavaScript: 1 + 1 = 2.0000001

[@okie9025]

Meanwhile python: 1.2 - 1.0 = 0.199999999999996

[@redis615]

​@@okie9025which is like what 250 000 times more accurate?

[@asdfgh3347]

That's for all languages,because computer cant use a decimal (if it isnt literally decimal type),thats why there is single and double types,it can only go to a certain level of precision,if you make 1.0+4.0 in c++ it will give somwthing like 5.000001 too P.s. but yes,both python and js are hell abominations that shouldn't ever exist

[@marsbars1105]

It's because the gold standard for storing decimal numbers in binary that is defined by the IEEE-754 protocol has an inherent limitation due to the nature of base conversion. Take the decimal 10.3 for example. The right-hand side of the decimal (the integer component) can be exactly represented in binary. However, the fractional 0.3 part can only be approximated. (I.e, no finite number of bits can be used to exactly represent 0.3 in binary). Under IEEE-754, floats are given a standard precision of 23 bits for the mantissa or "fractional" part. In other words, 23 bits can be used to approximate 0.3 in binary. The more bits, the better but once again, the exact representation cannot be stored. Think of it like rounding the value of PI to a certain decimal place.

[@BoundedLead]

No?

[@Jonassssss6]

I love how he provides literally 0 reasons for why JS is GOAT

[@kudoailabs]

GOATs do not need reason to be, they simply are

[@meethepie]

@@kudoailabs you're right, JS has no reason to be /s

[@Ibloop]

@@meethepie bro do you know what youtube uses?

[@FakfridSumanko]

@@Ibloop Python?

[@BoundedLead]

Why you so mad about it? It his opinion if you want you can make same video but making js garbage and python goat

[@buskieofficial9948]

CORRECT TIER LIST: Goat: C, C++ Solid: JS, Python

[@velialomeli4441]

Python: while True: print("yes")

[@ollivainionpaa684]

Seems fine, one small change tho': Goat: C, C++Hall of Fame: JS Solid: PythonDecent: PHPYou can't just ignore node.js

[@darthph0enix302]

Facts

[@sathviksolleti3108]

C'mon Matlab deserves better !

[@Dikiydik]

@@ollivainionpaa684bro you forgot

[@rishabhsemwal4180]

"Python is overrated" ChatGPT is laughing at the corner

[@eastonrocket兀]

It needs it to analyze

[@iorekby]

Yeah don't think Chatgpt is doing much laughing with its company being 5 billion in debt, Wall street today warning AI is basically a bubble and Intel And Nvidia taking massive hits because AI again overpromised and under delivered.

[@JyuSub]

As a 10 years+ developer, I can say it out loud, JS is pure garbage

[@okie9025]

you sound 12

[@JyuSub]

@@okie9025 yep coding since I'm 2 and you?

[@okie9025]

@@JyuSub you still sound 12 sorry

[@Cay9z]

​@@okie9025On behalf of your dumbassetry and my astutely conducted research. I have found out that his channel debuted in Late December 2011, contradicting reason for his age being 12. While ironically you are the one with that damned Rainbow cat profile picture. Moreover giving reason for you to be the actual "12 year old"

[@ShamarBlygen]

You sound like someone with an opinion (how dare you)

[@PussySlayeR17]

bruh forgot to put his favourite html and css on the GOAT tier

[@besherkitaz4529]

They are not programming languages. But I wouldn't be surprised since I am assumin he's a front-end webdev.

[@thequantum-plator]

@@besherkitaz4529 that's the joke buddy

[@v02dv]

@@besherkitaz4529 what's the point? you mean you write code without using anything built into your "non-frontend language", without libraries and other things, maybe in machine code?

[@besherkitaz4529]

@@v02dv Never said that lol. Never said that I am a fan of low level languages like C or C++. They have their own implementations and specialisations; non of them are of my interest. In fact, I actually code using Python. So I don't see what do you mean by your point.

[@v02dv]

@@besherkitaz4529 forget it, i just wanted to bait some default freak so that he would brag about how he solved 4kyu problem on codewars that no front could solve and he immediately became the creator of programming himself, i see you are not one of them

[@Stone_624]

I know this is a joke because 1) you put Python above PHP 2) You put R at the bottom 3) You put Javascript at the top 4) You put C and C++ in the same category.

[@titanus261]

Dont know much about php, but python is so stupidly easy that people are using for things it wasnt even supposed to and complain that it is too slow to do thoses task when it wasnt even meant for that.

[@dramfar9232]

Alternative title : When you're web developer and you HATE DATA SCIENCE so much 🤣

[@ConnerArdman]

I wouldn’t say I hate data science (nor would I really consider myself a web developer), I even considered pursuing DS for a bit… but the few DS classes I had to take at university were painful ngl 😂

[@xyamox_trapper]

​@@ConnerArdmani feel bad for you bro for trying to give an opinion (allways say its my own opinion maybe you have a diffrent one to avoid hate)

[@ConnerArdman]

@@xyamox_trapper Thanks, but it doesn't really bother me at all haha. 99% of my comments across my channels are positive. And a lot of that hate that does exist either comes from a place of jealousy, misinformation, or a misinterpretation of my views (which oftentimes is my own fault, like a good portion of the comments on this video). The hate on videos like this tend to help with growth anyways though.

[@xyamox_trapper]

@@ConnerArdman i hope you dont be sad by seeing those negative kids

[@arceuslegend4605]

​@@ConnerArdman I taught myself most of the languages in this video, and now I'm waiting for an interview for my first programmer job that is most likely going to be data analysis. Admittedly it IS quite painful (if you think Python is weird for its lack of for() operator, wait till you see numpy that essentially integrates linear algebra into Python but you still can't do linear algebra in Python for technical reasons), but saying it's confusing and then goating JS is some megacope imo

[@racecarjonny8460]

Pretty sure he did it on purpose. To get the reaction. Now we are all engaging.

[@hanoifilms503]

Yeah. Although what he said about python is kinda true - it's a lot of copy paste and mixing stuff

[@OneDerscoreOneder]

@@hanoifilms503 🧢

[@iloos7457]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[@MatheusSouzaAlmeida]

@@hanoifilms503 You guys don't copy and paste on JS?? What i'm doing wrong?

[@normalAlien398]

Engaging and "Don't recommend"-ing channel

[@pranav9339]

*Engineers writing Aritifical Intelligence in python* Meanwhile frontend team :

[@somusz159]

Most of ML is C++, the libraries at least. And the best symbolic ai languages are still Lisp and Prolog.

[@wildspray0758]

frontend team: garbage 😂

[@okie9025]

More like "Pseudo-devs using python to glue together code made by real C programmers"

[@pranav9339]

@@okie9025 Yeah right go ahead and write an ANN on C.

[@taskforce_kerim]

@@pranav9339most of them are written in C or C++ already. Look at any popular vector database like pgvector and their ANN or kNN implementations. None of them use Python for it

[@kushiji]

On the serious note: C is a goat of a language, without C no high level language would even exist. R is not garbage, it's language for statistical analysis. Its dataframes, vectors and the ability to work on indices speeds things a lot. JavaScript's weak typing makes it very unpredictable, I wouldn't trust it outside the frontend. Python is subjectively the easiest language in the world and its vast suite of libraries is one of its stronger points. Pytonic code means its written in a concise and opinionated way as well as conforming to the standards that take advantage of the performance optimizations. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter which language is better. Learn how solve problems, learn good practices, use the right tool for the job or/and the one you know the best and can be most productive in.

[@hasanbohra6779]

Bro's a wordpress developer☕️

[@Sun_Seeker]

💀

[@neon0wl2107]

Lol

[@pabblo1]

Doesn't Wordpress use PHP?

[@yancgc5098]

😭

[@nhs.14]

@@pabblo1 well he doesn't even understand what he just said, spare him

[@tizabz]

how to trigger an entire community

[@visheshkadian1375]

"I never get error in my code" "Really! How?" "Because I use HTML"

[@nickjunes]

As a programmer of 20 years I was withholding judgement until I saw where you placed JavaScript. I 100% agree with you after that. JavaScript has absolutely become one of the most if not THE most mature languages in the world. On top of being open source, governed by an enormous diverse body, and being flexible to write in almost any style it has absolutely become the language of the world. Haters still point to small equivalency quirks while ignoring 99% of has happened to the language in the last 15 years. Today, you can write anything in JavaScript and if you have a smart compiler/runtime env then you shouldn't have to worry about optimizing it or specifying the size of your integers. That's what computers are supposed to do. With JavaScript people focus on the code, not the minutiae. Of course that is with the exception of TS which is just JavaScript with training wheels for our pedantic friends who can't let go.

[@nmanduley]

"PHP is the Nickleback of programming languages" **Proceeds to put JS as the goat** 😂 u can tell he's a rookie front-end web developer.

[@user-uk9er5vw4c]

this is because his probably biased and touched only frontend ... so, whatever

[@sasino]

JS is also used on the backend with node 💀 what's your point.

[@nmanduley]

@@sasino Python is also used on the front-end without any additional requirements💀what's your point?

[@normanandrians]

wait javascript can't be used in the backend? nooo my life was a lie😭😭😭

[@nmanduley]

@@normanandrians of course you can, just like you could use assembler for front-end and COBOL for back-end. There's no law against doing poor choices on programming language.

[@staykotzenov2030]

I’m so happy I read the comments. Instant relief

[@nickspirit3]

No increment operator, bruh that's such a random thing to nitpick 😂

[@Hoenhighn1]

And not even true?

[@floskater99]

@@Hoenhighn1 It is true. +=1 isnt an increment operator, thats just a shorthand for addition . ++ is the usual increment operator that other languages use.

[@Hoenhighn1]

@@floskater99 no difference

[@taragnor]

Ever since I learned about iterator for loops, foreach and similar methods, I've found my desire for an increment operator has gone way down. If I had to nitpick something I dislike about Python, it would be the one line lambdas.

[@chrisrock219]

​@@taragnor Pep 8 makes a pretty strong case that most of those lambdas should be rewritten into proper functions, mostly because these anonymous fns make code harder to debug. My IDE is always on my ass about it. Hopefully over the next few years we'll see a lot less of them around

[@igordemetriusalencar5861]

1-based indexing is the most accurate and mathematical way to functionally program, so R and Julia are the best ways to do data science, no one goes to the library and asks like "Give me the 0 book from the left to right, please" on the shelve, right?

[@FredsHacks]

Thanks u explained it in a way i actually understood😂

[@Brainles5]

0 is nothing it should be treated as nothing. People have been brainwashed.

[@eggfriedrice566]

no way, 99% of data scientists use Python

[@ValidT]

@@Brainles5 lol what

[@Brainles5]

@@ValidT Give me 0 reasons why it's a good idea to start at 0.

[@Kinyanjui_765]

Tell me you are a web developer without telling me you are a web developer

[@christophershanklin112]

🤣🤣🤣

[@lemna9138]

Python is too confusing and you put javascript at the goat tier ????

[@maxuser1221]

He said R is confusing and Python is overrated

[@tjones2112]

Doing my boy MATLAB dirty, only language that can do fast Fourier transform in one line, GOATED

[@dhupee]

he doesnt need fourier transform or laplace coz....front end

[@emilianoalvarez4868]

Python too, if you import the library 😂

[@samuelfischman6949]

Fr Matlab gang

[@theperfectionist1607]

It’s a proprietary garbage language

[@saltech2024]

Talking in the electrical engineering way

[@ek7735]

You know its time to go to bed when you see videos placing JS above C

[@somnvm37]

"python is confusing" meanwhile, JS: 1 + "1" = 11 1 - "1" = 0

[@okie9025]

meanwhile python: a = (True, True, True) b = True, True, True print(a == b) # True print((True, True, True) == True, True, True) # (False, True, True)

[@albator8159]

​@@okie9025are you serious ?

[@okie9025]

@@albator8159 yes, try it yourself, I was surprised too how badly python handles its own syntax

[@adrianv.v.4445]

​​@@albator8159It's simply because the comma has the highest priority inside a function call. Therefore, when the two tuples a and b were compared, they were in fact the same; but on the next line, the tuple (True,True,True) doesn't equal True and after that, you are printing two Trues. Definitely less confusing that JS

[@yourhonestbro217]

​@@okie9025😂😂 What is it

[@interstellar4267]

"Doesn't have increment operator" just use x +=1💀

[@mpp2855]

Ew

[@internetwanderer9053]

ikr x++ isn't that hard too read for crying out loud.

[@oubrioko]

*GOAT* _apparently_ stands for: *Goofy Ostrich Acting Tough*

[@iamapokerface8992]

cringe

[@Tamj_Bty]

I think C++ is also in the GOAT tier because it's the industry standard.

[@alicia1463]

1-based indexing makes sense for a language that is designed for matrices. 0-based indexing for a matrix would mean that a matrix with a row length of n would cause the final element in that row to have an index of n-1, which is annoying if basically all you're doing is matrix manipulation. I also get the impression that it was designed to be easy to learn for researchers who need to analyze data or do mathematical modeling, but who haven't written code in years.

[@spacelem]

That's why the majority of languages popular with mathematicians use 1-based indexing (e.g. R, Julia, Matlab, Maple, Mathematica, Maxima, Fortran).

[@Nope-w3c]

@@spacelem yeah because 0-based indexing is nothing but a leaky abstraction.

[@futuza]

Lua would be perfect if it was 0-indexed, but nothing created by mankind can be perfect, so the author had to hold it back somehow.

[@ImmortalSpelldagger]

​@@futuza0 based indexing in lua would ruin everything, i do lua code and everything u write makes sense to have 1 based indexing changing it to 0 based indexing would flip the language upside down

[@norrickm1756]

JavaScript: "yep String + NaN = 🍌" yeah this sounds goated. Python: "we use for each as the default for loop" OMG SO CONFUSING

[@shinyhedgehog3985]

"tHeRe Is No iNcReMeNtOr" bohooo Writing +=1 is so hard omggg

[@nirokay136]

* "==="

[@sasino]

Python is inferior to JS sorry.

[@sasino]

@@anstupidguy_bread8884 true, but still I recommend beginners to start with JavaScript because then you can easily transition to more productive languages (C, C++, C#, Swift, Kotlin, Dart...), or even use JavaScript in a production environment (for example with Node.Js or TS, or front-end dev)... While Python is mostly used for data science and small scripts and it's hardly a good choice for a giant structured program

[@a.j.outlaster1222]

​@@anstupidguy_bread8884 from what I can see, That shouldn't be there, But in the HTML file itself.

[@robertobokarev439]

When you've put R to the bottom tier all Data Scientists are started to hate you

[@stopwatcher8930]

True. Dude has no respect for bioinformatics.

[@yep9620]

idk my data science professor trashes on R like everyday

[@carlosm.6348]

@@yep9620professors don’t have modern experience in the job market a lot of the time

[@Alexander20091988]

@@carlosm.6348 plus languages like R are niche anyway. they do what the people want them to do in a restricted environment. and its not like there is a huge market to it. this tierlist is kinda crap tbh, no reason to compare something like js to R.

[@user-yeasewaasfe]

R is analyzer and matlab is simulator I think both of them are not programing language

[@AJ-Fish]

1-based indexing in R and MATLAB is useful because it matches traditional math notation, making code easier to read for those with a math background. This can simplify translating math/stats concepts into code and reduce cognitive load on math-heavy tasks.

[@ruperthu37]

Me: Mom, can we have tech lead? Mom: We have tech lead at home. Tech lead at home:

[@dy4914]

This tier list sucks but don't idolize tech lead. All he does is flexing over not allowing women into the companies he worked in

[@bob450v4]

@@dy4914I don’t think this is idolizing tech lead I think this is making fun of tech lead. I mean tech lead is a composers looser that has no idea what he is talking about. He lied about working at google for years.

[@botnaruionut1498]

Python: Decent JS: gOAt 💀💀

[@sebans3131]

How to trigger every programmer:

[@JoachimFosse]

Imagine not having lisp on this list. It paved the way for sooo many modern features we take for granted

[@yodua8193]

Wow i think it's the first of those language tier lists where I don't agree with a single placement. And nothing is more outraging than putting js on S tier and I'm saying it as a js developer.

[@_timestamp]

I would put JavaScript in decent/garbage and Typescript in S

[@AndrewTSq]

You are probably not experienced js dev?

[@AndrewTSq]

​@@_timestamp typescript is worse than js. Why? Strong typed languages dont belong in 2022. And if you get a bug cause of this its easy to find,

[@yodua8193]

@@AndrewTSq uhm... No. Strong typed languages are more reliable than others. There is literally NO REASON for someone to change type of variable that is already asigned to something. The only situation that you maybe would need it is parsing, for which you should just create a new variable anyway to keep the code clean.

[@AndrewTSq]

@@yodua8193 the bugs where you accidently write over a already used variable are easy too find. The bugs you have in a software does not change cause the language is strict or not. In C++ i sometimes convert into the wrong type and it does not work... and those bugs are way harder to find

[@aghileslounis]

how much you are wrong ? him: YES

[@ThatOpinionIsWrong]

JS is so great its community has made multiple frameworks to fix its issues and still new ones are coming out regularly

[@PanosPitsi]

Not issues js is for basic tasks while frameworks are used for more specialized applications. JavaScript can be used for everything from websites to web apps to phone apps to desktop apps to severs and without these frameworks it wouldn’t be possible, no other language in history has been able to be used for literally everything .

[@UnknownString88]

​@@PanosPitsi ? Lol

[@comedyclub333]

​@@PanosPitsi Well, while this might be handy sometimes, there's no universal need for a "one size fits all"-language. I can cover all your use cases with e.g. Dart, Python and C++. The need for multiple languages isn't a bad thing in general.

[@PanosPitsi]

@@comedyclub333 didn’t say it was bad but it’s a great skill to have. You can legit make a startup on your own or get hired instantly. I know c java Python and JavaScript with react thanks to uni, I never want to go switch out if JavaScript when making a project the ability to make a full stack application on the same language is huge.

[@fawazsullia5620]

You can make a full stack app on almost every language.

[@Ram_Bhakt0777]

Meanwhile scratch: 🗿🗿🗿

[@vsh2d]

for little kids

[@Ram_Bhakt0777]

@@vsh2d But still your mom can't code on scratch

[@JeffLovesDoggos-q4x]

@jsh2d 3d games in scratch: am I nothing to you?

[@vsh2d]

@@JeffLovesDoggos-q4x yes. they are laggy and are mainly passion projects. they are usually extremely slow.

[@Ram_Bhakt0777]

@@vsh2d They're slow because you can't afford a better Laptop/PC

[@ribbreaker-4066]

putting JS in GOAT is the most chaotic evil thing I've seen all week

[@michaelc.4321]

1-based indexing makes actually a lot of sense for Matlab considering that it’s specifically designed for usage with matrix and vector operations where it makes way more sense to talk about rows and columns starting from 1

[@spacelem]

I've always found the languages with 1-based indexing (R, Julia, Matlab, Octave, Maple, Mathematica, Maxima, Fortran) seem generally pleasant for doing multi-dimensional array stuff. Maybe 0-based helps if the language provides you literally no tools for the job (C/C++) but otherwise it just feels much more natural.

[@kamenzhelyazkov2337]

The people complaining that you can't write I++ in python are the same people that refuse to set their tab to 4 spaces, because it is "too annoying to do it"

[@ShoppingBored]

The most bottom means niche but it doesn't mean bad. Most people I met who use them are not programmers like engineers or business analysts. You just can't use it for general purposes.

[@berserker1340]

It makes sense for MATLAB to use 1 based indexing since it is based on Matrices and we start counting the the rows and coulmns from 1 and not 0. For example: a_12, denotes the element of the first row and second coulmn of the Matrix A.

[@silverzdk]

It would make no sense for matlab to do 0 based indexing.

[@jacobs9955]

I’m learning R right now at uni. I really enjoy it with all of the packages you can work with to create data visualizations. It’s awesome how much easier it is to work with data sets in R than a lot of other languages too. But that’s just my opinion.

[@timkratz742]

As somebody who did his Master Thesis pretty much exclusively in R: R as a programming language is confusing and slow. There are always at least three ways to do the same thing: data[,1] vs. data$col vs data[,"col"] or: data[data$col_1 == value,]$col_2 vs data$col_2[data$col_1 == value] vs filter(data, col_1 == value)$col_2 etc. However, if you treat R as an application rather than a language it's extremely powerful. It's like a supercharged and much more versatile version of excel.

[@halecj1]

R is great for data analytics and automation. Make sure you put that on your CV.

[@TheHuTao.]

48K likes ... 40K dislikes I think we all know why

[@Ibrahim_B.]

35 likes only

[@scpals]

​@@Ibrahim_B. He's talking about the video

[@gustavofurlani3055]

This mate is absolutely a frontend development

[@zebratoast278]

R is super specific in it's usage and just not meant for standard programming tasks. It should even be on that list and for it's pupose it performs alright.

[@ahmadtarek7763]

Saying matlab is trash is an insult to my years as an engineering student.

[@victoryan4008]

Don't listen to him brother, Matlab is the best. Code monkeys just don't get it.

[@tellezgerardoruben5202]

So is saying that about R in my case.

[@furiousfellow1583]

I've used matlab extensively on college as well, but I have to agree is bad, moved to python as soon I graduated

[@michaelschemmel1984]

Aint no way dude said python is confusing lmfao

[@snowyguything]

I develop websites as a hobby and no joke JavaScript made me think “should I keep going?” The day I started learning

[@yogeshagrawal2110]

Bro reignited the battle of Python vs JavaScript

[@MatthewConnally]

If you use R you USE R, all serious non-industrial stats is done in R and not Python. It’s a niche but essential programming language

[@TheAbhimait]

I know both R & Python. I am a ml engineer and a full stack developer. R is a God level language for ML. No doubt.

[@unhhgcrxexhjvuvujchcrzwzwz7956]

That’s interesting. R is definitely my preference for stats stuff but I wouldn’t have thought this

[@ryan_singh]

R is goated

[@liambury529]

R is dead bro. Nobody uses it for new projects neither is it even taught anymore. R devs are so bad that GPT couldn't even learn how to use it from comments and forums

[@dirtmage8673]

@@liambury529 R is used extensively in science, specifically biology. It's a requirement for many ecologists.

[@deadlyspud7399]

bro is the type of guy that learned C and C++ for several years but got so used to it that he struggled to learn python, yet signifies why he says it's "overrated"

[@inter3988]

A lot of guys saying "python is confusing, then js is confusing pro max" In my opinion, js is not confusing. You use what you need to use, and you’ll never feel that way again

[@SCSArumugaperumal]

java left the chat

[@living_bean]

java is obselete.

[@SCSArumugaperumal]

@@living_beanmay be for you

[@Gameplayer55055]

​@@SCSArumugaperumal don't you see, they discuss the frontend toy languages. Java rocks at the backend

[@samuca101]

@@Gameplayer55055 But there was C and C++, wich should be de GOAT

[@Gameplayer55055]

@@samuca101 yes, c and c++ are go00zzz./#(#;#(2()1/ Segmentation fault corr dumped

[@AxelPyDev]

Python: print(“Hello, World!”) JS: console.log("Hello, World!") C: #include int main() { printf("Hello, World! "); return 0; } C++: #include int main() { std::cout

[@AmansLab]

first time heard that python not making any sense

[@EverRusting]

I don't like it because normally I write code then have formatter handle the formatting which is not possible in python because formatting changes how the code works. I don't wanna use a language where formatting changes how it works.

[@maximilianm7324]

​@@EverRusting just look at black

[@AndrewTSq]

I agree with him. Pyrhon is the hipster of languages

[@nnirr1]

Don't get me wrong, python has its fair share of confusing syntax and programmers who don't know what they're doing CAN create some god awful abominations with it. But for the most part it's great and in the right hands it can be extremely readable and intuitive. His criticisms are terrible though and it's clear he has no idea about python. Especially when he then put JS of all things as the GOAT 😂

[@AndrewTSq]

@@nnirr1 I hardly ever have to use for-loops in JS, so I rate JS over Python any day in that regard. Not to mention that when you use a for-loop in python, its like it disables all cores on your cpu and downclockes the cpu.

[@Edi_plays_horror_games]

You forgot C#

[@DukeFouaD]

pov: you started programming recently

[@hamzadlm6625]

and more specifically, you started frontend

[@floskater99]

I'm programming since 10 years and completely agree. Besides PHP, that's gotta go to the trash.

[@otrojugadordegd6993]

R is fantastic, cause its not only a programming language, its a language to do statatistics and data tasks. You'll see the difference in js and R when you try analize data with both of them

[@tomroose7733]

Yeah I'd like to see he try to create a plot as beautiful as you can with ggplot.

[@BWP09]

Js over python? By that much? No thanks

[@m96fa40]

**Trash talks on Python** **Likes** **Puts JS at GOAT tier** **Dislikes** **Puts C++ at Hall of Fame tier** **Likes**

[@EnderMega]

"C cant compet with all the modern language." Literally the fundation of computer software and all the OSes:

[@samuca101]

We can write all these modern languages even better, with C

[@hamm8934]

The R ecosystem makes the python ecosystem look like childs play when it comes to models. I can't recall how many times i wasn't able to effectively model something in python like a multivariate logistic regression with multiple random effects, and then I look at the R side and bam, there are multiple packages with multiple implementation. The language itself might have some quirks like base 1 indexing (but cmon, that's not a blocker by any means), but the R community puts python's DS community to shame. This is likely because R tends to attract a more seasoned user.

[@Zane_Zaminsky]

72-year old Data Scientist here. Have been in the game for 40 years. (Statistical Programmer/ Statistician/ Data Scientist). SAS debuted in the late 1970’s. I picked it up in 1983. 40 years later, I still love it. But you are correct. I am attracted to R, and plan on learning it over the coming years. It has definitely gotten my juices flowing. Analogy to chess: SAS is a Rook. R is a Queen.

[@FtaBta]

R was the first language I learned. Best language I've learned so far for statistical purposes and the packages and community is hands down the best. The second language I learned was Python, and I was continuously frustrated by it compared to R. R for the win any day of the week. Especially for data visualization and data analysis.

[@tiberiusjones7]

When you never graduate past Jr web dev

[@oglothenerd]

I am writing my own programming language. The idea spawned because Rust is the best programming language idea, but has a terrible execution. It is tightly coupled to LLVM, it is owned by the Rust foundation, no stable ABI, my language aims to solve all these Rust issues.

[@HikaruAkitsuki]

I'm studying R for my Data Analytics but for me, R is not a programmer but rather a command line similar to a Linux bash terminal. But it is essential on data analysis.

[@Doofus4everGaming]

I agree I love R for analytics and Statistics

[@yamatocannon1]

R and MATLAB don't belong on a list with programming languages bc that's not what they're for. It's like having a hammer tier list and putting a screwdriver in F tier.

[@woobilicious.]

Lots of languages have a repl, it doesn't exclude it from being a language. Maybe touch up on your terminology lol

[@tomroose7733]

R is a beautiful language if used in the correct situation. From an engineering point of veiw R is one of the best tools in the tool belt.

[@panda_dva2261]

R is top tier. Love that shit

[@velialomeli4441]

R IS THE G.O.A.T🗣🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@zakarie]

I use it everyday and it never disappoints me

[@MatthisDayer]

R best language Love how every simple function in the base libraries (mathematical, string manipulation, basic stats, ...) is vectorized, instead of writing a simple for loop you just pass arrays as arguments and it returns an array for you I love how out of the box you have so many tools to play around, no libraries loaded and you can write code in multiple paradigms, declarative, functional, object oriented and all of them are good experiences. I love the syntax, it's very much C like but simplified (no static typing, no structs, unions, enums, no pointers) I love how easy it is to use and create good functions, you don't have to use every argument of a function when calling them, arguments can have defaults set right where they are defined, variadic arguments are easy to use.

[@stinger4712]

According to you: R = Shit

[@jacobs9955]

I’m learning R right now at my university, and I really enjoy it so far. It’s really cool what you can do with all of the packages when using RStudio for data visualization and a bunch of other stuff.

[@thejohannesbeck]

Matlab is for engineering purposes, it has lots of great add ons like simulink, that make it easy to simulate. And how can you not understand for loops in python?

[@VenkyBeast]

You didn't get what he meant, Python's For-Loop is not like any other langauge's for loop. Python's for loop is more specifically "for each" loop, it's not truly "For" loop. and Python locks you into it's own style of working, You don't have control of behaviour, You will have to adapt to it's own logic, for example, if you want to iterate over numbers, you will have to create array of numbers which you do using range built-in function. Simply put Python uses a generator or lists to loop but it's not same case with others. and that loop counter still exists even after loop is completed.....

[@darrengreene8327]

@@VenkyBeastIn addition to what you said, Python doesn’t have a true for loop per se (like in other programming languages like C-family, Java etc.) but rather a while loop with exception handling integration within it.

[@X21XXI]

As both a JavaScript developer and C++ dev, they’re both goated.

[@vincentfarris]

Mans is 100% a front end dev

[@kamaltufekcic4618]

No way, front-end devs know JS is garbage

[@BoundedLead]

And?

[@Macromacroxxx]

Holy shit dude, you put JS above C and Cpp? Whats wrong with you?

[@Rodehaas]

Front-end web developer 🤷🏻🤣

[@KManAbout]

Cpp is a garbage tier language. C is clean and will seg fault. Js has garbage old api and solid modern feature making it meh as the only language to manipulate the Dom. Rust is a tier. Golamg is the goat.

[@KManAbout]

@43_XA_Ashutosh Sononey doesn't make sense to blame JavaScript for that. Whatever js is used for is a developers fault.

[@BboyKeny]

I like JavaScript but I'm mainly a front-end developer 😋 although I do use TypeScript now. I also like cpp and am learning Rust + WASM

[@cazz]

@@KManAbout Talk shit about CPP catch hands

[@truthShallPrevailRRVS]

"Javascript makes me wanna flip the table and say 'fuck this shit' but I'm never sure what 'this' is pointing to" 😅 - Some meme on the internet

[@ConnerArdman]

Solid meme 10/10 👏

[@veuder7701]

@@ConnerArdman your video is a damn meme

[@evinblox]

My favourite moment when JS returns me [object object]

[@jonaslamprecht9169]

You just don't understand how types and type coersion in JavaScript behave, it never happens to me.

[@evinblox]

@@jonaslamprecht9169 It doesn't happen to me anymore, I stopped using JavaScript

[@cycrothelargeplanet]

Can someone explain (I don't speak js)

[@eshku]

@@cycrothelargeplanet I'd have to guess there, as it's been some time since I've seen that happening, but I'd asume that's something you get when trying to output object as a string. (too lazy to test)

[@cycrothelargeplanet]

@@eshku I learnt js, you're right (It only applies if there is no toString method though)

[@CoolStop2]

Am I the only person who agrees with everything on here

[@i.c.wiener2750]

Nah, I agree as well

[@Outer-Heaven_Supercomputer]

hopefully

[@anshulbadhani]

I think C is really GOAT because it was really revolutionary.

[@tristanhdez2008]

true

[@adedolapoogungbire7088]

Say you are a front end dev without saying it. 😂

[@christophershanklin112]

🤣😂😂

[@tehphoenix7441]

In my opinion programing languages are just a tools for coding your project and as such are highly dependant on context. Basically you use: - JS or Python to write ok code but do it fast. - Java, C# etc. to write good code but do it slower. - C, C++, GO, Rust to write great code but do it even slower - Assembly to write ideal code at a snail speed

[@omairtech6711]

I like your way of describing this.

[@lukeandliz]

exactly, don't hate on a hammers ability to turn a bolt, use a wrench or get a nail