CONQUEST OF THE PLANET OF THE APES - APE NATION Movie Review

[@cap2981]

The unrated cut is the best hands down. That speech by Caesar is more powerful with the original ending.

[@Ape-Nation]

Agree 100%

[@kali3665]

I understand why it they felt the need to reflim the ending. I still wish they didn't, and I am glad that it's available now.

[@PCat2385]

First time I found out about the original ending was watching TCM when they aired it. Was excited when the Blu-ray came with option to watch it that way.

[@R.J.Godzilla81]

I first watched Conquest on The Fox Movie Channel back when it had no commercials, censorship, etc. (just like HBO, Cimemax, Showtime), and it’s also where & when I first saw the original ending. I didn’t actually see the theatrical ending for a couple of more years.

[@hiltwo]

This.

[@ely_oh]

"Conquest of the Planet of the Apes" is my second favorite film from the original series. Roddy McDowall's monologue as Caesar is just downright chilling, you tremble with fear to the words he'd spoken.

[@mikegleed5842]

👏😢

[@ANProductionsOfficialChannel]

Every scene he's in, McDowall dominates. So much emotion done behind such thick makeup. Amazing! I'd argue the best of his career.

[@johndillon6705]

My favorite line: Mr. McDonald: An emperor ape might do slightly better? Cesar: Slightly! Delivered immaculately by both.

[@williamj.dovejr.8613]

I loved the father son dynamic between Armando and Caesar.

[@Ape-Nation]

Same. One of the best parts of the movie!

[@rykerblade_snb]

It’s conflicting because you root for the apes by the end of this movie, but when you remember the first movie and see what becomes of humans under apes, you may remember you rooted for humans. I think it just shows that we naturally oppose tyranny just as we naturally breed it

[@Keith23195]

So true. People are against tyranny until they are apart of the tyrant class.

[@ANProductionsOfficialChannel]

Ah yes. The whole point of the movie lol

[@MichaelAD1967]

In my head canon, Armando renamed him "Caesar" once Zira and Cornelius died to disassociate him from his famous parents.

[@RogerMcCoy]

Having a baby chimp on hand with the same name as the ape that arrived with Cornelius and Zira would've been very suspicious.

[@ontheblockgod]

Same! I agree

[@TheRoidemortetfleur]

Did Armando know what the parents named him? Do adopted parents keep name....

[@loganmatthews5956]

​@@TheRoidemortetfleuri mean he was there at the naming so I hope he knows

[@whiteknyght]

I always took it that "Caesar" was the original name of the baby chimp that Heloise had that was switched by Zira for Milo. So to keep the ruse that "Milo" was killed with Zira, Caesar was renamed by Armando.

[@Keith23195]

That’s what I assumed. In addition, Ape Nation made it sound like Caesar named himself in front of the Governor but I’m sure that’s not what he was trying to say in his review.

[@MeanMrMustard1]

This is what happened. I just recently watched Escape. It's at the end.

[@WillowRedDog]

Exactly what I came here to say.

[@hiltwo]

This. The ape baby had a birth certificate, not sure if that would contain a name? But it was my take as well.

[@minnesotajones261]

Very plausable. Plus "Milo" was dead, killed by Dr. Hasslein (sp?). So that name must "die" too...

[@theneonchimpchannel9095]

There's an unrated cut out there? I NEED to see that! It's one of my favourite movies of all time, possibly my absolute favourite of all time.

[@johnbarrett4846]

It's 3am in Scotland, i was about to go to bed . But i guess i'll pour one more glass of wine and watch this.

[@jerseyforhawks]

Just Do it!

[@GregFreeman-s3l]

I'm in Canada. Different time zone, but I hear you.

[@dariogonzalez6243]

Cheers.

[@PowerPackers90]

My headcannon is Ceasar, which was a nickname Armando gave him. Because he saw Milo had great chrisma and leadership qualities. It's only until that moment with Brek's book that he chooses the name Ceasar "offically". I don't mind that this movie has the world like this only 20 years after Escape. Cause I saw it as the events of Escape caused the timeline to be speed up. Like a butterfly effect. It was fear of the future that Cornelius and Zira came from cause the government to become this way sooner than it did in the original "Aldo" timeline.

[@thomasmacias5032]

New subscriber to your channel I’m a disabled, retired garbage man, living in northern California my favorite movies of all time planet of the apes came across your channel. I love it. Thank you my friend.🙏💙💯🇺🇸

[@randyping6036]

Authoritarianism doesn't waste time once the door is open. It's frightening just how quickly it can happen.

[@Ape-Nation]

True

[@JoseDelgado-pi3ui]

With Armando running a circus, it makes sense that he would have given Caesar a more powerful name than Milo. He was performing in the circus and doing things other apes couldn't do, so was king of the apes.

[@westfield90]

I’m so glad I found your channel. This series was part of my happiest childhood memories growing up in the 70’s. I was always fascinated by Conquest primarily because I couldn’t see it due to the rating but eventually saw it on TV in the 80’s.

[@billyhunt]

Same with me. I wanted to see Conquest for years, and eventually screened here in the UK in 1979. I used to pour over the occasional stills in the Marvel comic, and thought Roddy McDowall always looked furious in pictures where he was portraying Caesar.

[@seanmullen5328]

I became a fan with the most recent apes trilogy & got started watching the older movies recently. Watched this one last night & I think it was great. I think for me the issue I have is the scale of the movie. I feel like 100+ apes ( most of them being primitive couldn’t stop a a real government with a military. I know that’s over critical tho & really did enjoy the movie & I think this was my favorite in the series Keep pushing content, I really enjoy the channel & looking forward to more content on the new movie coming up

[@replimatreviews]

Always been my favourite of the original series. Love that we see how the Apes rise (in a way not consistent with what we had previously learned about the rise of the Apes, which is a very clever way of telling us that the timeline has been changed and advanced due to the events of Escape), bringing with it some great messages about slavery, oppression and tyranny. Very much tapping into the issue plaguing the Western world at the time of the film's making. Superb stuff.

[@alexsetterington3142]

That plague is still going.

[@Patriot-jc5wi]

saw the original POTA in the theater when I was 5. I remember it vividly and was blown away. Been a massive fan of all the films ever since.

[@GregFreeman-s3l]

Caesar easily picks his name from the book because he knows his own name, & it"s a kinda "in your face" signal to Breck. That's what I believe is the screenwriter's intention in this scene.

[@curtkiefer338]

Isn't his name Ceasar because in the first movie Cornelius tells the story of apes rebelling. I think he tells Turner that an ape named Ceasar said "No"

[@hiltwo]

There's a bit about the name change in the novel: “Caesar, listen to me most carefully. As I have reminded you before, there can be only one-one!-talking chimpanzee on all of earth: the child of the two other talking apes, Cornelius and Zira, who came to us years ago, out of the future. They were brutally murdered by men for fear that, one very distant day, the apes might dominate the human race. Men tried to kill you, too, and thought they had succeeded, but Zira took a newborn chimp from my circus and left you with its mother, hoping to save your life. I guarded you-even changed your name from the Milo they had given you -and raised you as a circus ape. But of course you inherited the ability to speak.”

[@edkeaton]

This was a very, dark and brutal movie in the "Apes" series. I have heard that the original ending was a little darker in tone. Both my twin brother and I were amazed by it. Thanks for sharing your insights and opinions on this film Josh. Keep up the great work! 😎👍🎊🎉

[@iscreemz4494]

Like a lot of folks who were kids in the 70s, I grew up watching and re-watching the Apes films. I find, for me anyway, that Conquest is the film i appreciated more as I got older. As a kid, you still look at the world through a "humans aren't evil" lens. It takes time, experience and cynism to fully appreciate Conquest. Terrific film.

[@sonofccn]

Kind of went the other direction for me. I remember as a kid being more sympathetic to Caesar but as I grew older and started viewing the world through a less "good vs evil" lens the more I shifted towards supporting the humans. After all the humans might have been "evil" but they wouldn't shatter my skull in or force me into slavery. The Apes on the other hand, as we've seen, desire not equality but merely to be the hand holding the whip.

[@ShuggsComicsandStatues]

What an Actor Roddy Mcdowell was!

[@Ape-Nation]

Roddy was brilliant

[@sully9937]

I just wish this movie was allocated a bigger budget. Its such a shame how the backing dwindled for the films, because the story developed really well.

[@lightningmcqueen1717]

the speech is absolutely the best scene out of every planet of the apes movies. incredible stuff

[@JosephDickersonUX]

RIP Don Murray (he passed earlier this month).

[@Ape-Nation]

Damn, I somehow missed seeing that. RIP.

[@ministerofdarkness]

Still the best of the series! I saw this for the first time in 1991. Hail Caesar! 🦍

[@jrr2480]

I remember seeing this one when TMC was showing a 30th Anniversary marathon in 1998. I agree 👍 with the majority of what you said in the video 📼. I think 🤔 the concept of this movie is absolutely what Rise was adapting in 2011.

[@brettsimpson1505]

Thank you for your channel. You prompted me to purchase the DVD set and rewatch these classic films that were such an important part of my childhood - introducing them to my son…

[@Ape-Nation]

Love that!! Hope he enjoys them!

[@brettsimpson1505]

@@Ape-Nation: Yes indeed. We watched one and two last week, and will continue on next week. Thanks again!

[@masercot]

Caesar's monologue makes this movie extra special. I saw it when I was about nine years old and it stuck with more to old age.

[@robertpease9834]

I grew up in the 60's and 70's and I found this totally believable in the time line. I was looking at the future, and when you see other movies like Soilent Green, Fahrenheit 451 and then there were Twilight Zone episodes and such, that many were set off in the not too distant future. WWII was only 30 years behind us, and we also had the politics of the world which, we could envision a world like this coming forth as a warning.

[@backofthepack4553]

This was very rarely shown on UK in the 70’s when I got into the POTAs films, it was my favourite post original film and as a kid so I watched it multiple times and really love it, I think I’ll check out the uncut version

[@Cinematic.Jurassic]

I've always enjoyed this film. Most underrated POTA movie imo.🙌🏻

[@CONNECTELECTRIC]

This one was the best one for me growing up. Thanks for the memories.

[@2lijit2kwit34]

In anticipation of "Kingdom" coming out later this year, I wanted to watch all of the original series movies. I had previously only ever seen the first one. I really enjoyed all of them, but in particular, I loved "Conquest"! Each of Roddy and Ricardo's performances, the setting, and the overall story were really well done. I chose to watch the unrated version, and I was glad I did. Fantastic review as well! 👍

[@AJ-HawksToxicFinger]

Got 1/3 through your video and had to go watch Conquest of the Planet of the Apes again for first time in a long, long time...Thanks for that, what a great film! Love your review of the film and agree on so many points! I loved the locations. You can tell they had limited locations that fit but they kept the feel for the city with creative angles.

[@alvermette218]

Love your show, by the way, looking forward to your review of the newer films! I think Caesar's name change for this film was because Armando never knew of the name given to him by Cornelius and Zira and so he renamed him Caesar. Well that's what think and I believe I addressed this inconsistency in my book about the series some years back...but it would make sense.

[@HarryThomasPictures]

Awesome review glad you love Conquest, for me it's not great as the first hour feels like a drag but I admit the third act is epic and Caesar's speech is one of the best scenes in the entire franchise!

[@anthony0358]

As a child I was fascinated how the apes took charge. I was always puzzled by the two parts of the final speech. Then in 2008 finally seeing the unrated original version it all makes sense, including all the changes made to the theatrical release. I love all the characters. Governor Breck does get that final speech. Don Murray was amazing

[@johnmermigas]

Original Apes fan since Planet in 1968 at the Capitol theater. Went through it all in the early 70's. Had original audio recordings hard wired from drive in speakers, thousands of dollars worth of publicity materials etc. etc. Too much to explain. Very glad you mentioned Tom Scotts music which is great and surpasses Goldsmiths score in some instances even in its truncated form. J Lee wanted to give Conquest a documentary feel even to almost desaturating the color palette in post. At the preview in Arizona on June 1st 1972 there was a prep title sequence of the ape getting killed by police which was deemed to violent and therefore cut. Parts were repurposed for the scenes when Caesar is running from police before his execution. I had family that was at the showing and my mother had a cousin working at Fox in publicity in NY, NY. I can keep going on about myself but this is your site and I love what your doing. Oh by the way its pronounced Paul Dehn (Dane). Keep up the great work, us original Apes fans need you youngsters lol. Good luck 😀

[@stevekasan3105]

As time and time passes since this films release it has become the most prophetic warning and metaphor for modern society. The ape uprising can be mirrored to any group anywhere in the world

[@Ape-Nation]

100%

[@freddynunez1325]

I love the video but I have to disagree with the criticism of how long it takes for the society to change in the film. Mussolini basicly changed Italian life within a 21-year span. Look at how much our society had changed in the last 20 years. How people consume movies, how they buy groceries, and how we go to the doctor has changed in 5 years' increments in ways we can not understand. I have always liked this way of moving things forward than the 100s of years that other Apes movies have done. Great video!

[@Ape-Nation]

I didn't do a great job of explaining in the video, but my issue is less with the time frame, and more to do with the lack of explanation for it in the movie beyond "all the cats and dogs died 8 years ago."

[@freddynunez1325]

@Ape-Nation that makes sense, I agree with you about that, and the name change for Caesar. I always told myself that Armando changed the name because he saw Caesar as a king because of who his parents were. I have to rewatch to see if he actually says that, but it's always been my impression. I truly love this series, and this movie is one of my favorite movies in the Apes series. I will check out your other videos. I enjoyed it.

[@Keith23195]

I’m loving your content. I’m rewatching in order all the movies with my kids and we just finished Conquest last week. After each movie I watch your corresponding reviews. I never knew about an uncut, darker version of Conquest. I’m going to get right on watching it! Will you at some point be reviewing the subsequent POTA toy lines and playsets? I would love to know the history of them and a review of all the components. I’m going to buy and set up a diorama in my hang out room. Anyways, keep up the great work!

[@marklowther3228]

I always felt that a young Milo heard of Caeser and, knowing the plan he had for a possible ape uprising, took the name. When he 'chose' it out of the book, it was just (for him) an affirmtion.

[@WaTsNoTgUdD]

I think in regards to the name change from Milo to Caesar, Armando did it for the sake of not only protecting Caesar. But i believe that Armando believed that Milo (Caesar) would eventually lead the apes to freedom, away from human control

[@Ape-Nation]

That I can believe, I just wish that they would have explained it.

[@amorojaz27]

It's thanks to this film we have one of the greatest heroes of modern cinema.

[@Byronic19134]

I always knew of Planet of the Apes, but didn’t know about the sequels, so as a teen around 14 these started playing on marathon on I think Sci Fi channel the summer before the reboot came out, and I was completely obsessed as I felt like I was in an alternate reality because I couldn’t even believe these movies existed and nobody talked about them, and not only that but just how completely different they were from the original which I also loved.

[@CoinOpTV]

Enjoying your Apes retrospective videos and am curious if you’ll be talking about the TV show as well?

[@Ape-Nation]

Later this year after Kingdom!

[@jerseyforhawks]

Conquest was the one PoftheApes movie I could claim as my own. I saw it when it came out, eerie af. And, its not hokie, a more serious , dire tone. Loved it.

[@jameskerr8091]

Your review is excellent! I have only seen the theatrical release. Would love to see the other one.

[@JohnPota-lc1uy]

I always love when you post videos

[@MJK151]

My personal favorite of the sequels. I’ve recited Caesars speech so many times. 😂

[@hiltwo]

Me too! :D

[@davidjenkins3101]

brilliant video, i'm off to track down the unedited version. keep up the awesome work

[@jonnywyattgreengreen3301]

Very fair review of conquest. I first saw it in 1988 when it was released on Video. It's roddy's best performance in the Apes series. I personally think its changed the future of Apes history. Before seeing it .l really thought it was a circle of events that never ended. The story is about how one Ape revenge on the Humanity . I think the longer version is best one . I Love the Character of Macdonald is great . The scene always gives me goosebumps with Jerry's music and Roddy saying " this is brith of planet of the Apes " I have got film stills of conquest that have had for years also Spanish poster of Conquest from 1972 . Its very dear to my heart. Once again amazing video Josh .all the best .

[@yogisie]

This and Escape are the best of the OG series. I loved how dark (not that it wasn’t dark already) the movie got, especially with the depictions of torture and violence. The original downbeat ending definitely felt more organic than the changed, somewhat optimistic ending.

[@leontanbg]

Conquest is unabashedly my favourite original Apes film. Yep, even more so than the first one. I saw it in my late teens, in the late 80s, over & over on VHS. I think it was just the timing of my life & my view of the world then, that this film resonated incredibly. I loved the clever setup of a near future dystopian fascistic human society on a dime, which I thought was pulled off well. So much is inferred instead of shown, the quiet menace of totalitarianism, the callous subjugation of a slave population. Montalban & McDowall stood out. And that slow tightening of the noose throughout the film, ratcheting the tension till the explosive end. And the ending... wow. I was cheering for the demise of Humanity! The last time I saw this was probably in the early 90s, and I'm sure it hasn't held up if I watched it now, but I'm grateful for the experience it gave me at the time, and it further entrenched my love for scifi even deeper, and to this day.

[@douglasjohnston1465]

Dare I saw it is the Empire Strikes Back of he Ape movies?

[@TamiJoeris-ge5dg]

The speech at the end was fantastic. 😊😊😊

[@Ape-Nation]

Agreed!!

[@andyrandall9289]

I always felt that when he yelled out at 7:05, he lost his foster father,(Armando), so he had no compassion left for the human race.

[@Anthonycheesman2024]

These reviews make me want to watch the original movies I only have seen the remake and the reboot trilogy

[@Ape-Nation]

Definitely give the originals a watch!!

[@philipgreen8227]

Conquest is up there it is my third favourite of the series The humans are portrayed nasty enough that you want the apes to rise up and conquer Your review was excellent I'm going to rewatch the movie as soon as I finish posting this Thanks for doing this series of reviews of the original movie series Looking forward to the last one

[@lddcavalry]

The first movie is a classic above anything that came after.

[@frankl34798]

agreed idd. the first is still the best out of all of them by far. the following four all had great 'plausible' story lines, but fell short in so many areas. for example: why was our beloved roddy made to look identical to cornelius when he was playing caeser? {as he did as 'galen' in the tv series}. why didn't the apes repair the spaceship in 'beneath' instead of having us believe that they pulled it out of the lake and dried it all off? why ... well you get my nit picking already perhaps. silly things like that. but understand me well: this series has been with me my whole life since i first saw them as a young lad in the seventies. they've brought a tremendous amount of joy to my movie life, and even if i've been overly critical about a few things, i am so very, very grateful for them all too. i am beyond excited for the next 54 days to pass and i will be one of the first in line for the matinee show. love and peace to you and all, xxxxxxx

[@Byronic19134]

@13:52 Milo is not the name of a leader that has any resonance to it, while Cesar is especially to humans. And I love this scene I think it’s a symbol of how some things are just destined to be.

[@tacotoosday42]

It says something that this is a sequel that got its own remake that led to a whole new series that'd still going.

[@rayvenkman2087]

It’s got a lot of strong ideas worthy of expansion as does Battle.

[@indianastones6032]

19:12 love the gorilla hold the rifle like a club!! He aint gotta a clue what to do but thats not stopping him!!

[@RichardRitenour0522]

Being an Ape-ophile since 1968 I have a great love for this movie in particular. In my eyes it was the strongest and most dramatic film of the series and after seeing it in the theater I was so stoked when they announced the fifth. I wish I had known what was coming because it was a major disappointment to say the least. This film however I rate as the second on my list of POTA movies with the original at the top of that list. The new movies in the series are great but, it may sound weird, the human condition has been removed and replaced with CGI which IMHO lessens the connection with the viewers. Conquest still had that relate-ability with the audience and the characters, actors in make-up, made you want to cheer or jeer them and I don't get that feeling with the newer ones. Maybe I am just old and stubborn lol I love what you are doing here Josh, thank you!

[@theranchhand]

I first saw this, when they did the entire ape series in a theatrical marathon, when battle, for the planet of the apes came out. Actually, as a kid, it scared me for sure with Armando jumping out the window and how out of hand, the apes get in the end, etc. I put it last as my favorite of the original series but think it has moved up a notch or two as I’ve aged. I’ve grown to like it more as an older man. And I would often in my 20s go to the century city mall here in so cal and walk around it noting all the locations from the movie.

[@Wyrmwould]

This is my second favorite film of the original series, but you are correct---it is definitely rushed. That is why I love the new trilogy so much. We actually get to see Ceaser become the leader of the apes and by the third movie, it is very believable that the Apes would bow down before him and show submission as he walks by. In Conquest, Ceaser's rise to prominence is so fast that it really stretches credulity, but I can believe that Andy Serkis' version of the character would be held in reverance. He gave the apes the drug that makes them intelligent; he helped them escape from the lab and the zoo; he taught them and lead them, and he created their entire society. Ceaser is everything in the new trilogy, and it was clear that is what they were going for in the original franchise; they just didn't do as good as job as the new films.

[@diannebdee]

I always took it the reason for the renaming of Cornelius and Zira's son was due to his name being similar to that of Sal Mineo's Dr. Milo. My take is that Armando, believing in the chimpanzee's intelligence and need to rise felt Cornelius and Zira's son needed a name suited to his rise as it were. I think it was Armando who renamed Baby Milo to hid his true identity therefore changing it to Caesar. I really don't think it's anything other than that. I think you as the viewer, if you've seen the prior films, kind of understand that from the jump. My two farvourite scenes are the one in Breck's office where Caesar names or rather affirms his name to Breck. My other favourite scene is the ending in the unrated cut. I really wish they'd have kept that because it made more sense than the benevolent Caesar telling his formerly enslaved brethren to lay down their weapons and become like lambs despite having been tortured and abused throughout the earlier parts of the film. I adored Hari Rhodes as McDonald and felt his gravitas was appropriate considering the whole Caesar plot. And of course what can be said about Roddy McDowall? His Shakespearean background came excellently into play with this film. Considering too he had played Octavius Caesar in "Cleopatra." I personally didn't mind Don Murray as Breck. We had to have this horrible villain so we could actively root for the ape uprising.

[@battlestar976]

One thing I wished the film did was explain what happen to Doctor Lewis and Stephen. I really like them in Escape and it felt weird they’re never addressed again.

[@mork8144]

yooo thanks for the video ! i love this movie

[@theneonchimpchannel9095]

Tom Scott hasn't written a lot of soundtracks, although he has played on quite a few. He has had quite the career though, having played with many of the greats over the years. I first heard about him due to his work with George Harrison. He co-produced at least 1 album with George as well as providing arrangements on 4 albums where he also played a variety of woodwind and brass instruments. It was a few years later that I realized that he was the same guy who did the music for Conquest. He's also worked with The Carpenters, Joan Baez, Neil Diamond, Wings, Donovan, Rickie Lee Jones, Ringo Starr, Joni Mitchell, Randy Newman, Dolly Parton, Boz Scaggs, Rod Stewart, Tina Turner, Barbara Streisand, Steely Dan, Paul Williams (who appears in the next film) and The Blues Brothers...and that's only a short list of some of the artists he has worked with over the years. He's also had his own band, The LA Express and a solo career that has spanned 5 decades. He's played with 3 out of 4 Beatles (John Lennon does appear on the same Ringo album as Tom but not on the same songs). He seems to have slowed down now that he's in his 70s but he's still active and now hosts his own radio show. He's one of those people in the industry who has pretty much done it all.

[@ShaneyBright]

Im a huge fan of the scores for the Apes movies. My favorite of all the Apes films was Goldsmith's score for Escape. I love that 60s kind of jazzy beach vibe. Conquest has some fantastic horn cues. 👍

[@alexandermacdougall7873]

Another good review. Your reviews/opinions of the original 5 movies aligns perfectly with how I feel about them. The only thing I would question is how you don't think a more fascist state could take hold in just 18-20 years. Have you not been paying attention? It doesn't seem to take that much these days

[@Ape-Nation]

It's closer to 8 years in the movie, the dog/cat plague didn't happen until 1983, but that's totally fair! I'm not saying it's completely out of the question, but the way the movie presents it with so little context just makes it hard to believe imo.

[@decadentdave]

I think you are splitting hairs in your argument that it is unbelievable things changed in less than 20 years. Just look at the rise of fascism in Europe in less than 20 years between world wars, the holocaust, pandemics and apocalyptic events. Things can change abruptly. This film is a cautionary tale that is relevant today if we draw parallels to the ape slavery and the shifting policies of US immigration and a rampant increase of racism and political and religious intolerance not seen since the 1960’s. This film is the most brilliant entry of the franchise. Don Murray is completely over the top and ham fisted but his melodrama drives the performance home.

[@Ape-Nation]

Totally fair and I'm not saying it's impossible, but the way it's presented in the movie just makes it a bit too much of a stretch for me. If more context was given and the way the government operates was fleshed out more, I think it would have worked better for me.

[@amandaullman5637]

Probably because I’m seeing these originals for the first time but again, I LOVED this movie. Definitely the most with the same tone as the recent trilogy. Roddy McDowell. Wow. His performance just blew me away. That last scene. The way he was standing was even perfection. Such a solid movie in the Apes movie world.

[@MannyKunV]

12:52 i swear i got the mandela effect when i saw conquest of the planet of the apes. in the beginning Armando calls Cesar "Milo". it wasnt till Milo renamed himself as Cesar in that scene. but when i saw this movie again, Armando does call him Cesar in the beginning. I thought it was a goof/slip up and maybe i saw a different version. this be driving me crazy :P

[@DavA-DM]

Well, it was put out in 1972 and 1991 seemed so far away to this then 12 year old. The city made it so - future over what American cities were. The rest - on the spot. It's not my favorite of the series, but it worked very well for the property. It tied together the third and the last of the series. And, I think actually allows the idea to feel free to alter the time-line and a sense that fate is that - series of highways that here you moved into another lane and... Further, I did take in the whole series when it put back into theatre for single day viewing. They seemed well put together.

[@kevinfitzgerald9319]

Just found the channel, I’ve got a lot of good stuff to work through! I was surprised you didn’t spend more time in the review talking about the different endings. They really botched it with their changes, and it hurts the movie significantly. Not a call out, but I laughed when you talked about being surprised that the world had slipped into fascism just twenty years after the dog and cat plague. Let’s see where our world ends up by 2039…

[@Ape-Nation]

I didn't articulate my point correctly, but I more meant that it was so surprising that it happened that fast BECAUSE of the dog and cat plague.

[@joelashadali]

I loved the Caesar speech I do think it could have been shorter thou. I also like the original ending on the uncut version.

[@hannavernig8543]

Since the original series of movies had a habit of bringing back actors to play new roles, do you think they will bring back Andy Serkis to play a new role in future instalments?

[@Ape-Nation]

I do! Not sure when or what kind of role, but I 100% believe Andy will be back in some way.

[@JDsGlance]

Also note that the color of the Chimpanzee uniform mirrors their tradition clothing color in the original films.

[@robertlauncher]

For those who try to create one timeline with the old and new movies, is the idea that the new movies come first, and then this and Escape create a different version of events with a different Caesar?

[@parallaxview6770]

Like to see a review that plots the course of the first few films within the political turmoil of the time ( Political assassinations , Vietnam , counterculture , Watergate )

[@gamestation2690]

Tom Scott, the movie's composer, would later go on to be a founding member of the Blues Brothers Band!

[@GAFB1122]

I've only seen the revised toned down ending version. Is the original darker version available on streaming anywhere or only Blu-ray?

[@Ape-Nation]

It may be available to rent, but as far as I know it's only on blu-ray.

[@PrimeMinisterBetteMidler]

Agreed that the whole name change from “Milo” to “Caesar” was confusing, and I feel like the fix would have been relatively simple. 1. Have Armando call him “Milo” in private, and then when he is allowed to pick his name, he chooses for himself “Caesar” (which I think would’ve been cool) or 2. Just have a scene, even just a line, where Armando explains that his name was Milo, and now it’s Caesar for discretionary purposes. Otherwise a great film, definitely up there (although it sounds like I’ll have to check out the uncut version)!

[@maria.j777]

Loved the review-for me, the first original POTA film is its own masterpiece (and the precurser for all the others that follow) and then I love Escape & Conquest equally, but of course very different tones-just the realism of social issues always struck home and the way they were portrayed rang/rings true; as with Zira & Cornelius in the previous film, just was mesmerised by Ceasar. As a kid, when I first saw this sequel, that brief scene of Ceasar reading the in memoriam statue to cats and dogs dying off from a pandemic virus had a lasting shock effect in my psyche, as I remember thinking ‘the virus destroyed the world as we know it rapidly’ and I was terrified/gullible enough to accept the time-line 😂😅 Just a great film, imho, in its own right (especially with what they were restricted with tech-and-budget wise) and Roddy McDowell❤

[@jonmercano1138]

Yo yo! My favorite of the OG sequels!

[@Lex-up6mg]

Damn Roddy went off. Besides the first one this is my favorite. Its so dark

[@seanabbins5481]

I always wondered about the Milo name too. It makes sense that he would rename himself after a conquerer, but like you said, he refers to himself as Caesar earlier. I honestly think they just messed up and didn't realize when they filmed Armando calling him Caesar that his name wasn't Caesar yet but was still Milo. The continuity errors in this movie always bothered me. A major theme in the earlier movies dealt with humans destroying themselves in nuclear war but this movie ignores that and shifts to a slavery theme as why apes take over

[@KareemHarper]

I didn't want to ruin the 420 up votes, but Ape Nation deserves all the thumbs ups. Sorry for making it 421. Happy 420!

[@briang9581]

It's admittedly been a while since I've seen the original five films. Armando might have renamed Milo to honor the chimp that died in his place and/or for the added secrecy.

[@seanlynch4874]

This was the "rare" one that was never ever shown on UK TV, purchased for tonight on youtube for £6, different! The 1972 4th film of the original series

[@dubuyajay9964]

When will you do the final film of the original series? "APE HAS KILLED APE! APE HAS KILLED APE!"

[@tr9809]

Isn't this an alternative history to the original planets of the apes since Caesar's parents changed history by travelling backwards in time? So the end of this story isn't determinism

[@Ixodes492]

Regarding your doubt regarding the speed of societal change, compare 1910-1918 Germany with 1938-1945 Germany. Or 1900 Russia to 1920 Russia. It can happen really fast given the right circumstances.

[@Ape-Nation]

Totally valid point, and I'm not saying it's impossible. It's just really hard for me to buy that the US would have that radical of a shift in just 8 years (the plague was in 1983) all just because dogs and cats all died.

[@Ixodes492]

@@Ape-Nation Totally understand. Love your content…Escape has always been my favorite even though (as you point out) I think it’s social commentary was the least subtle. Keep up the great work!

[@earlsmith2524]

In orginal POTA didnt Cornlilus say that it took a couple of centuries for the ape rebellion to occure?

[@iska788]

Great analysis !

[@rubysuncle]

There are a couple things about the plot of this movie that were glossed over I was always curious about too, especially regarding the timeframe from Escape to Conquest. Like the virus that killed all the world’s pets. Or that there was some kind of forced evolution of apes where they were all now more human in their stature and appearance. But most especially (and I’m surprised you didn’t touch on this) is the fact that the orangutans are pretty much nonexistent in this movie.

[@Byronic19134]

The soviet style brutalist architecture is what really makes this movie pop.

[@johnnoble01]

I grew up with the apes movies and it was one of my favourite franchise. I was into it in a big way reading the books and getting the Marvel comics. Are you going to cover the comics. After a good start with English Marvel, it went down hill using series from Losely based on War of the Worlds with a character called Killraven. They changed the name to ape slayer and gave the aliens and mutants ape faces in the art work. Diabolical!

[@Ape-Nation]

Not sure when I'm going to cover any of the comics, but it's for sure something I wanna do eventually!

[@robertcringle4865]

Milo was a performing ape who would put on shows with the circus. Armando changed his name to Caesar to be more theatrical. Favorite Ape Movie