Conquest of the Planet of the Apes ending

[@kercht5578]

The look of fear on McDonald's face as Caesar's speech reaches a crescendo is absolutely fantastic. Incredible acting in this scene.

[@NostalgicGamerRickOShay]

I don't like how MacDonald tries to appeal by him being a "descendent of slaves". If you study history, EVERYONE is descendent of slaves.

[@josephjefferson826]

It's a shame that the studio/producers didn't keep this much more violent and bleak ENDING in the movie. They Already knew it was going to get a PG Rating (a first for the POTA movies). What a Great Performance from Roddy McDowall!! VERY Underrated Actor.If you want to see another Fantastic Performance that Everybody thought he SHOULD have been Nominated for but wasn't because of Studio Politics(?!?!) then watch CLEOPATRA (1963). The man was robbed of a Best Supporting Actor Nomination that's for sure!!❤️💯 R.I.P. Roddy McDowall (1928-1998).

[@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475]

That bloody stare from Caesar at 2:22-2:26 is so haunting. Coupled with the quick flash of flames across his face. Absolutely iconic.

[@Filimaua13]

I know right, so intimidating. A facial expression full of hate

[@LvSway]

God damn…

[@jacquelynking2184]

Never noticed that! Thanks for pointing it out!

[@MoMoMyPup10]

This scene might be the best scene in _all_ of the Ape movies. 50 years later it still sticks in my head.... "where there is fire, there is _smoke_ ".... epic

[@lutho7693]

@@MoMoMyPup10 I wish they actually kept it in the final Cut of the Movie.

[@masterzombie161]

For a moment we didn’t see Ceaser the savior, we saw Aldo the original Lawmaker.

[@jacquelynking2184]

Aldo wasn't the Lawgiver. He was a gorilla, General Aldo. The Lawgiver was an orangutan. But I get what you're saying.

[@Baldwin-iv445]

He was probably going down that path.

[@dbsql6238]

"No Aldo No". I just picked that up from Escape of the Planet of the Apes today after watching this series for dozens of times. Aldo was suppose to be the ape that said No.

[@hunterv9983]

​@@dbsql6238 Aldo still had a role to play in Battle For the Plnet of the Apes by killing Cornelius and forcing Caesar to break his most cherished law; Ape Shall Not Kill Ape.

[@raineahava7217]

​@dbsql6238 yeah but that movie went further back in time before Aldo, and basically accelerated the ape-pocalypse making it happen a lot sooner because of Caesar

[@Lexman509]

Most of these original Apes films were 'G' rated, regarded as 'family', yet they had the most tragic and messed-up endings I've ever seen. :)

[@nossasenhoradoo871]

"Most of these original Apes films were 'G' rated, regarded as 'family', yet they had the most tragic and messed-up endings I've ever seen." Nothing like giving children ideas! (Have you read the Bible?)

[@andyrandall9289]

This one, the 4th in the series, was rated PG. The censors wouldn't pass it the first few times it was viewed. And would of recieved a hard "R" Rating, maybe an X due too the blood and violence involved.

[@OhevTorathMoshe]

Yes -- back in a more sophisticated, open-minded generation whose children were less coddled, "protected", less dummied-down and more philosophically challenged.

[@joycekoch5746]

Not unusual. In that era there were films that had G ratings that are basically banned today that were celebrated. For example, in 1968 there was a film called Robby that had a G rating. It was a story of a boy who gets shipwrecked on an island and survives there with help of another native boy before both get rescued. It was a lesson in racial respect, tolerance and freedom. The film is now banned inside this country because the boys go swimming nude in many scenes. Back then that was still G rating. I recall seeing it in a theatre as a kid and thought nothing of it but today the film is banned.

[@peterp2153]

Different era, different philosophy on ratings, since ratings boards are always subjective and based on “community standards” which evolve over time. An otherwise unobjectionable film with some “movie violence” (fake blood, nothing graphic) could get a G. It was also the era before G became associated only with animated films intended for small children.

[@bhbluebird]

I'm sorry, but this performance and delivery by Roddy Mcdowell is underrated.

[@kercht5578]

It totally is. Gives me chills every time I see it. Thankfully the best ending to this film was restored.

[@crissdrums3975]

It's unbelievable

[@laurenmalcom5117]

I totally agree. Best speech from the series

[@MichiganTrumbull]

It is. They should have left this ending in the theatrical cut.

[@mysticmac5555]

It's garbage. The whole script is garbage so can't blame him.

[@yankees4ever504]

As a hardcore apes fan for many years I would like to say that in my opinion, THIS scene is the late great Roddy McDowall's finest moment as an actor.

[@panzerriff]

Agreed.Conquest was surely his best acting and role of the series.

[@emilyglass5313]

He was the best back in his day! I have all 5 of the OG Apes movies and while I love Andy Serkis' performance as Caesar in the 2011-2017 movies, there is something very intense and more powerful with the original.

[@Firebrdsuite]

@@emilyglass5313 they’re all good!

[@art1bazan]

I never seen this scene before. I thought this was edited.

[@joetie7516]

​@@art1bazan it was. They had to censor it cause people were soft and wanted a happy ending. Battle is okay in my imo but this director's cut ending is way better and would've wrapped everything up perfectly.

[@megasoid]

After 50 years this scene and the film as a whole has lost nothing. The power of Roddy McDowell's delivery and the writing put this production head and shoulders above the new apes movies. The stern warning here is something we ignore at our own peril.

[@mental720s]

all of the old planet of the apes movies haven't aged at all.

[@mehmeh5517]

Out of the “Apes” sequels, this one was my favorite. Very intense for its time, wasn’t afraid to be dark, McDowall’s outstanding and underrated performance as Caesar, and this “Apes” film in particular really felt like it had something to say. It has subliminal messages that criticize racism, police brutality, animal cruelty, and humans being drunk on power and control. These messages are very important for people to acknowledge and I feel planting them in entertainment like this is a very smart tactic to get a point across and to get people to listen. In my opinion, I felt like Caesar’s character was inspired by Malcolm X, which makes him even more of a bad ass! It’s definitely the most political out of the “Planet of the Apes” films and uses the most symbolism when you really pay attention to it. This one is definitely unique even to this day and has always stood out to me.

[@fotzegamingandmedia1840]

It's politicizing done correctly, unlike the blunt, rediculous browbeating done today

[@carlosmanzanares6133]

Same here. This 4th Planet Of The Apes movie is my ABSOLUTE favorite from ALL the apes films (even remakes) it was pretty epic, dark, intense (right from the very beginning), and the ending and the speech was the best

[@mehmeh5517]

@@carlosmanzanares6133 Yes! This one is great! The jumpsuits they wear the whole time make great symbolism as well! Also, one thing I forgot to mention, all the original Apes films are rated G, except this one. This is the only one that got a PG rating and almost got an R because of how dark and intense it was for it’s time.

[@anthonygarcia8749]

I'd say all 5 films have something to say and is a reflection of humanity and human history and all of them have subtext and nuance to them and some sort of symbolism to them and subliminal messages but all done in an engaging and thought provoking way. I love all of them but this is one of my favorites out of the 5.

[@gregp103]

Underrated by whom?

[@robotrix]

As much as I empathize with Ceasar, can't help feel that Armando and his parents would be so sad.

[@bman3794]

It was the death of Armando, the only parent he knew and the only person he loved, that pushed him to this path.

[@raulguadalupe3489]

Armando’s death pushed him over the edge. As well as almost dying, himself.

[@NoahSprague]

It actually would have been interesting if they actually dealt with Caesar becoming more cruel to the humans and having him come to terms with that.

[@devondookhran9465]

The acting in this scene was well done and well written

[@martinishot]

I once read an interview with Richard Zanuck, the producer of the first film. He said his decision to get Roddy McDowall and Kim Hunter was based on the fact that they could be depended upon to convey everything with their eyes because the Prosthetics made normal expression limited and they would have to relearn how to create realistic facial expressions. This scene drives home what he was talking about. You simply cannot take your eyes off Roddy McDowalls eyes in this scene, his eyes are saying it all. He had by this time long mastered how to use the prosthetics for Expressions also. I think Kim Hunters Shining Moment of acting through her eyes was the close up of Ziras face in the first film when Taylor first speaks.

[@MarquisLeary34]

"The secret was to overact and overemphasize everything, so that it bled through the makeup..."

[@BrooklynAvenue]

What a great point. I have no problem experiencing his every emotion, I never really think 'mask' at any point.

[@thethiefking]

Roddy McDowall was such a good actor. :)

[@thethiefking]

Marcus Celt nah, he is too cool to be Obama. Lol

[@Rome274]

Joel Seymour Yeah . Was he ever ! 😃👍

[@berangeredekermadec810]

Missing so much great roddy mac dowall

[@matthewmcvey3494]

The best

[@zennvirus7980]

"...And that DAY is upon You... NOW!!" gets me every time. Rest in peace, Roddy Mcdowell, you were a virtuoso.

[@josephjefferson826]

Yes Roddy McDowall was one of the best actors of his generation from child actor to elder character actor. THIS ENDING is SO Powerful and Haunting.

[@caronstout354]

Andy Serkis was excellent with the MoCap, but Roddy McDowell's Ceasar is MY Ceasar!

[@CosmoShidan]

Now this is how the original series should have ended! Roddey MacDowell gives a great speech at the end and it ties the series together neatly. Plus, it gives us a much bleaker, if not better ending overall.

[@sebastianemond5313]

True, 'cause the ending with his adr-ed speech about being compassionate and humane comes across as unfocused and hypocritical, especially after he just made clear what would happen to humans in their eventual new society. "You shall serve us and have no place as equals, but for now, we'll stop this violent uprising, 'cause clearly, we don't want to be seen as the persecutors in a new world where apes are superior to humans." 🤯Like, the Hell?!

[@joetie7516]

So sad how Battle for the Planet of the Apes turned out. Wasn’t a complete abomination, but after the series gave their best entry, the follow up and final film was massively disappointing.

[@BobPantsSpongeSquare97]

@@joetie7516 I think the premise is good but not the execution.

[@tperk]

@@joetie7516 That's because Hollywood wanted to make an ape vs human war movie. It took 40 years to get one right.

[@cw9817]

That's how screenwriter Paul Dehn wanted it to end. But Conquest did well at the box office (even though less so on account of its PG/GP rating), so Fox wanted another one. Dehn's original story treatment for Battle is a marvel to read (find it on the net); it brings *everything* full circle brilliantly and in some ways makes this film look lighthearted in comparison. But Fox wanted a more kid-friendly movie, and apparently already was seeing it as a lead-in to the planned TV series, so we got the Battle that we did.

[@DarkWolf-407]

This caesar was more hardcore compared to rise. He killed lots of humans and pilled their bloody corpses. I wouldn't mind seeing it with today's effects.

[@carlosmanzanares6133]

I loved when he breaks into the command center and immediately starts shooting the machine gun

[@shannoncurry2037]

Caesar saying "No" in Rise is equivalent to the Statue of Liberty moment in the original film.

[@yumallah]

@@shannoncurry2037 More like the 'get your stinking paws off me' moment.

[@Quibblet]

I grew up on the original series long before the 2011 revival. But it's interesting how a new generation of film makers took the concept of violent uprising for retelling the story to a modern audience. I also found out the original ending existed, wow, was even more shocked - but Brent was an evil guy after all, hehe. I felt bad for MacDonald though.

[@apetheory7152]

Not only that, but he got his name from when he read about King Caesar in a book. Imagine if all the Apes surrounded Caesar and started chanting “long live the king”!

[@nickgiampaolo9977]

THE DAY OF THE WRITING IN THE SKY WHEN YOUR CITIES LIE BURIED UNDER RADIOACTIVE RUBBLE! That line gives me chills!

[@crimsondynamo615]

Spoken with pure dripping venomous hatred

[@highonheroin5352]

My fav part gotta be either when he interrupts and yells, “by tomorrow it will be too late!” or the line immediately following ur quote, “Where the sea is a Dead Sea, and the land is a wasteland, out of which I will lead MY people from their captivity.”

[@highonheroin5352]

But the subtleties in the physical acting here is also chilling, MacDonald shouting, “For better? or for WORSE!?” And the way McDowell quickly snaps his attention to focus and lock eyes with him with that incensed glare as he lowers his brow asking, “do you think it could be worse??”

[@kali3665]

And Governor Breck looks back with no fear. Don Murray said that he rehearsed his lines in German to get the proper feel for the character. It worked.

[@InweTaralom]

I think that Don Murray is the only one left of the main cast.

[@thefitG]

Why in German?

[@kali3665]

@@thefitG Murray said that he saw Governor Breck very much in the Nazi mold, and it helped him find the proper balance for how to play the character.

[@thefitG]

@@kali3665 , thank you

[@ragingjaguarknight86]

@@kali3665 Also some of the officers in the movie wore jackboots and wore an SS style black uniform.

[@dannydinosaur73]

I love the fact that they brought back Jerry Goldsmith's original score for this scene.

[@JackCondor44]

Roddy Mc Dowell was a genious.... the way he channeled his own anguish and frustrations.... it exploded in this scene.... his pose.... the look in his eyes..... the placement of his hands..... almost fetal in ways..... wow.... fucking amazing...

[@vicvega1008]

This should have been the ending, made more sense than the watered down version. My favorite of the five films from the 70's.

[@DoctorMantisTob0ggan]

I consider this the true ending of the series & completely disregard Battle as it was the worst.

[@patdelarosa6400]

They changed the words at the end due to they didn't want roits LIKE TODAY to take place. For they thought we were better then that. Now look us....now look at us.

[@gaiusjuliuscaesar9907]

@Big Al They changed it because they are scared of me.... because I serve God. -CAESAR

[@agenttheater5]

well whichever version you watch this speech here stays with you. Frankly I think both make a good ending and the speech added in the other version was just as good as this one in a completely different way - plus with the 'watered down' version we get to see a parallel between Lisa's "N-no!" and Nova's "Taylor!" and we also get to see what we also saw in 'Rise of the Planet of the Apes' and what was talked about in 'Escape from the planet of the apes' with the power of the word 'no'. But basically what we're saying is that whichever ending you see it's a good ending.

[@James.B.Russell]

@@agenttheater5 I totally agree. I LOVE the "no" ending. Gave me chills when I saw it as a kid. The prophecy went exactly as they said, and I think it was powerful.

[@HerrEllsworth]

The novelization included this ending which depicted not only Breck's death but an orgy of killing. The books also included scenes originally intended for filming but were later dropped due to budget concerns. One scene that was to have "set up" the film concerned a gorilla who was trying to escape the city but was shot down by police in a very graphically depicted scene. It was dropped because Fox didn't want the film's tone to be established too much too soon.

[@lilith4961]

I kinda wish the novels end had been the same here. After all it would have been more realistic of uprisings. But either way I love the movie.

[@antonioallen1763]

The original movies were just as intense and tragic as anything they do with the current movies. Superb actually.

[@hoss624]

Intense scene. Very intense film.

[@samuelsolomon7330]

hoss624 to be fair, the film's prior to this one was all rated g. This movie was rated pg when pg meant something.

[@chrismulwee4911]

And BY FAR the bleakest of the original APES 5 film franchise. IMO anyhow What is yours?

[@chrismulwee4911]

@@PortlandSucksss Yes it is, and for years I thought it was the bleakest of the original 5 films UNTIL I saw this, albeit with the "new" ending. While Conquest may not have the world blowing up like "Beneath", overall this entry has a very brutal fight/brawl between man and apes just before the closing speech

[@matthewmcvey3494]

hoss624 a very intense speech

[@YuTuboTuTubas]

Sms the soundtrack!!!!!!!

[@javierluna7863]

The apes may see it as a Rebellion. I see it a coup. God this movie was amazing when I saw it as a kid.

[@Random-gh9nz]

I agree as well. I think Ceaser was also starting to realize that as well.

[@gkroll8467]

reminds me of the obama years a total disaster/ the year this takes place they were a year off from the LA riots pretty close missed it by a year/ I like the films but after beneath theres no way the next three would have happened the ship that taylor was in sunk in the water and the 2nd ship that bent came in landed on the ground all smashed up so theres no way that cornelius zira and the 3rd chimp could have gotten off the planet before it exploded and there was no way there could have fixed that ship/ okay geniuses explain that one

[@skyguy1054]

That embedded allegory of our culture was embedded from the start. These were very thought provoking for some of us as kids!

[@coachkfan1]

Scared the shit out of me as a kid!

[@macklinbutcher3145]

@Giovanni DeBravo Shut up dumbass.

[@stephenpriest2766]

The high point of the movie. Roddy delivered a great performance here! Well written scene. Roddy Mcdowell had the weight of the Apes franchise on his shoulders after Heston left and I always enjoyed his performance of Cornelius and Caesar.

[@Filimaua13]

Indeed 💯 Roddy gave sawlid performances all throughout the franchise. It's my favorite scene of the original franchise and the movie itself. A stellar emotional performance with dialogue that gives me the chills everytime I watch this scene

[@stephenpriest2766]

@@Filimaua13 Ditto!

[@megasoid]

@@Filimaua13 Absolutely.

[@pedrotapia665]

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[@seanmills8910]

I often go back to this clip and always notice different things. This time I noticed: 1. The way MacDonald says, "I know" is full of sympathy and understanding. He's saying I know you're different and didn't ask for this. 2. The way Caesar says, "The slaves' right" is so bratry and arrogrant. Like kid who is a genius and knows it. Also notice how he doesn't look directly at MacDonald. Great work by both actors.

[@seanmills8910]

*bratty

[@samuelsolomon7330]

I must say, it is a lot darker than the theatrical ending, but then again, planet of the apes always had a dark tone to it. The second film ended with the entire planet being annihilated. And this movie was rated pg when the pg rating meant something. I think this ending works, because this movie is known for its feeling of violence and rebellion, and this ending fits that model pretty well.

[@EdithCardellini]

What was the theatrical ending?

[@samuelsolomon7330]

@@EdithCardellini the theatrical ending has caesar's love interest speak out, telling him to stop, then he just continues his speech in a more soft spoken and less threatening way. It's essentially an addition to the speech, saying "we will coexist with the humans.

[@EdithCardellini]

@@samuelsolomon7330 Thank you for the response. And even though I haven't actually seen that ending, I'll be sticking with this one. Like you said, this ending fits the model of violence and rebellion perfectly.

[@colossusforbin5484]

@@samuelsolomon7330 Wrong. This ending with the governor being bludgeoned was shown in theaters during its initial run and is the original theatrical ending.

[@samuelsolomon7330]

@@colossusforbin5484 thank you for clarifying. It's been a while since I've seen the movie, and I kind of forgot that that ending would likely come from studio demand.

[@Jetfire-kk1ti]

Roddy, you were one of the Greats. We miss you terribly.

[@codafett]

This is such an amazing scene, the tension is unreal. The actors really gave it their all.

[@christopherdavis8248]

this movie had real balls!

[@AdhamOhm]

This was the original intended ending, until it was shown to test audiences who hated it. So they quickly cobbled together a more politically correct "Hey maybe apes and humans could live together peacefully" ending for the theaters. I'm glad this ending is available in the Blu Ray version, and not hidden away in some vault for nobody to see.

[@dalegribble5661]

yes it did!!

[@DamienDrake]

This is the only version I'll ever watch. It's perfect. The 180 he does in the theatrical ending completely contradicts everything leading up to it.

[@kjthekunoichi]

Christopher Davis and thus, this is my fave in the entire ape series from the 60s to the 70s TV series to the tim burton to the andy serkis caesar ones... conquest (revolution, riot, brutality, bcuz for justice and fairness) ftw!!!😎😎😎

[@MrPoochsmooch]

Much better speech and ending.

[@FabledHeroes3351]

MrPoochsmooch i like the other ending better it shows that the worse kind of revenge you can get on your enemy is showing them that your not like them at all and choose not to kill

[@MarquisLeary34]

My only complaint with this version was the inclusion of a music sting near the finish. The silence gave it even more power.

[@gaiusjuliuscaesar9907]

You do all realize this is a separate earth? The new movies set up the original Planet of the Apes... so this is an entirely different Caesar.

[@patdelarosa6400]

Much better ending and speech. Glad you happy with it cuase now it's on your t.v. and outside your front door.

[@anthonygarcia8749]

@@FabledHeroes3351 I agree but it was aldo Caesar heeding MacDonald's pleas and deep down realizing he's right and the anger subsides as the flames continue to rage on as all the apes celebrate their victory.

[@rosvel92]

If 2020 were a movie, it would have to be Planet of the Apes: *Astronauts in Space *Apes stealing viruss from labs *Global Pandemic that harms humans and their pets *Racial conflicts and protests. Is impossible not think about it.

[@kindnessark8064]

This Caesar is a lot more darker compared to the newer films

[@edercortes1960]

You really have to see the whole franchise to know why (there’s like 5 movies) trust me if you were in his position you would do the same.

[@drdeadbeat1604]

One of the rare occasions where both original and remakes are great in their own right

[@rubeng370]

I watched all 5 movies in the blu ray collection and no one ever talks about the sequels. This scene was great!

[@nickwheeler5396]

@@drdeadbeat1604 The new ones aren't remakes. They're all part of the same series

[@drdeadbeat1604]

@@nickwheeler5396 there's no continuity between the old ones and new ones

[@crissdrums3975]

One of the greatest endings to a movie of all time. ITS IN THE SPEECH

[@brendonsmith3080]

Truly one of my favorite speeches in a film. You just hear the power in his voice and you understand the message he gives. This is how you start a revolution.

[@Filimaua13]

Indeed. Just the pure rage you can hear in his voice. The cycle continues again

[@JohnDoe-lh3ei]

Those gorrila went ape shit man love this ending over the theatrical

[@holaqtal8214]

No

[@tperk]

Reminds me of the line at the end of Star Trek TOS "Mirror Mirror" where Kirk tells mirror universe Spock, "In every revolution...THERE IS ONE MAN WITH A VISION!"

[@Dan-ky5es]

Probably the best conquest speech scene ever!!! The designer of man's downfall actually saw it through for once and not stopped at the end :-) #HAILCAESAR

[@rubeng370]

Even after watching the new trilogy, this would probably be on my top 10 favorite scenes of the Apes franchise

[@kennethsatria6607]

They got to have this kind of speech in the new movie

[@error9106]

Kenneth Satria ikr, even in Mankind's darkest hour they still can't get along.

[@theamanchannel6800]

THIS IS RODDY MCDOWALL AT HIS BEST AND MADE HIS PERFORMANCE STAND OUT OF ALL OF THEM

[@Agent-xn1hr]

This speech is so powerful even years after the first showing. Roddy McDowell is truly a very underrated actor and this is one of his finest performances in his career.

[@asturiasceltic3183]

Ok, but I don't think Roddy McDowell was ever underrated

[@shannoncurry2037]

This is how I imagine the War on Cybertron, with Caesar ironically being Megatron.

[@marcushamner5994]

My favorite scene! It’s epic! Roddy McDowell gave an Oscar award winning speech. I love the Planet of the Apes franchise. I’ve seen them all! The bone chilling stare of Caesar is intense. You can feel how angry he is at 0:45. Caesar is my spirit animal. It reminds me of Avenged Sevenfold’s song Shepard of Fire🦍 🦧🔥

[@MarkBemolOficial]

con este final la historia engancha a la perfección con la primera parte "El planeta de los simios", porque revela el lado mas agresivo de la rebelión y justifica su repulsión hacia los humanos. Sinceramente, esperaba que este fuera el final de la historia y de esa manera se cerraba un ciclo de este clásico de clásicos.

[@kevinborgan8544]

Very underrated film, probably the best of the series aside from the original. And Roddy McDowell’s performance was Oscar worthy IMHO.

[@johnolive3425]

Gotta hand it to Governor Breck. Even when the gorillas rose to strike him, he looked 'em strait in the eye. Big balls there.

[@jordywales1921]

The later half and ending of this film makes it so worth it to watch.

[@Will008]

Powerful scene

[@damianstarks3338]

Will I am Musiq yes it is.

[@scottbuckley823]

Anyone else think Mcdonald is the best human character in an apes movie? I mean name better one

[@justmanic9673]

Nova!

[@jcopsey1]

Kolp!

[@nicholasquinones1071]

Señor Armando.

[@gregford2103]

I believe McDonald was supposed to represent the last best hope of making things better, but Caesar didn't want to listen to him.

[@gregford2103]

@Big Al They did make the change when the audience response wasn't good, and the producers wanted to have some kind of positive outcome. That's why Roddy McDowell went back into the studio to record new dialogue. They also dubbed some dialogue for Lisa, his mate, to have her say "No" to his original intention.

[@cesareaugusto9677]

Caesar was like some kind of Ape Spartacus!

[@errolthomas9426]

Now that I have all five original POTA chapters on Blu-ray, I always separate this version of Conquest away from the others leaving the theatrical version along with them.

[@adamkahoe6327]

2:30 *Breck:* Well...f*** me.

[@SolarTerran]

I prefer this ending. Makes much more sense and is more in line with Caesar and his revolution and logic.

[@vinvass2674]

No, Caesar had a compassion humans never have - "those of us not born Human can afford to be humane"

[@connorbrennan4233]

@@vinvass2674 But it comes out of nowhere. Would he really be so forgiving just because one ape protested? Even if it was one he felt close to? Humanity had taken away the last thing that tied him to his humanity (Armando). Anyone who feels that lost cannot be so easily brought back.

[@ricomajestic]

The theatrical ending is better. Caesar was taught to be good and compassionate by his adopted father, Armando. The theatrical ending is more in line with the love that was shown to Caesar by Armando.

[@EdithCardellini]

What a powerful and chilling scene. Especially with the eerie look in McDowell's eyes (especially at 03:10 and 03:21). None of the newer movies compare to the originals.

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

I don't know about that...

[@njmoonfrost6145]

lol to be fair they are different series so they not going to compare. Each series has their dark and sad moments

[@zacharyjohnson6453]

I've never seen this version of the ending and I totally dig it.

[@Filimaua13]

This was the original intended ending which was cut due to fear of audience's reactions to it, considering the race riots that were happening around that time. The other ending is what was used for the theatrical cut as a result.

[@Filimaua13]

Indeed. I like this ending better, it makes the most sense considering how the entire film has been building to this. The other one just stands out like a sore thumb. It wouldn't be so weird if they at least chose to reshoot new scenes showing Caesar's character experiencing this moral struggle. If the film was presenting this build up to a message of morality and breaking the cycle of hate.. it wouldn't seem so out of place. That's my opinion anyway.

[@MrAntiSellOut]

If this version had gotten released in theaters back in 1972 this would've received an R rating. So would Beneath if the half human half ape child character had been in it.

[@mightymac63]

The original version is on Hulu right now to live stream..Watched this for the 1st time ever, and to be honest I have never seen that ending before. Always the watered down version when Lisa turns to Caesar and says "no"..and Roddy McDowdell finishes his speech.

[@andyrandall9289]

This scene was the unedited version not released in theaters. McDowell came in after test screenings to end his speech on a more hopeful note.

[@todshi]

After years of seeing the watered down ending for the theatrical version of "Conquest", especially with the ignorance of the existence of this version (which I discovered about two years ago), it was a pleasure of finally see the ending as it was originally intended...

[@Filimaua13]

I feel like both endings work, its just how poorly paced the theatrical version is. The tone shifts quite weirdly. It goes from Caesar's passionate and hateful speech to one about peace and how the apes could be better than the humans by trying to be more gentle and respectful superiors. Lisa (Caesar's girlfriend) could've been given more lines to try and slowly calm Caesar down and make him realise he's just gonna continue an ongoing cycle of hate.

[@colossusforbin5484]

The original theatrical ending was not the watered down version. It was this ending with the governor being bludgeoned. I saw this during its initial theatrical release and THIS was the ending I saw for sure.

[@todshi]

@@colossusforbin5484 You may have caught an earlier release with this ending before the version I saw was distributed, or you were lucky enough to catch a fluke copy. All I know is that I like this version than the one I saw 48 yrs ago...

[@colossusforbin5484]

@@todshi I guess I got lucky and saw a print that slipped through if they re-edited this back during its initial theatrical release. I only saw this once in the theater. I never saw this version again on TV or video. I was beginning to think I imagined this ending until the first Blu Ray came out. I prefer this version too.

[@andyrandall9289]

As a kid growing up on them, they were awesome. Nowadays, i like the added scenes and dialogue. There was something like 15 or 20 minutes filmed of Taylor in the original. The courtroom and trial. I hope they surface again someday. I'd like too see the original restored as well.

[@connorbrennan4233]

The original series should have just stopped here. Battle added little to it.

[@StageCraftBeast]

Connor Brennan yeah but without it, the whole mutants thing would be to out of place, even though the bomb that destroyed new York isint even mentioned at all.

[@Xagzan]

But Battle had that great moment where Caesar realizes Aldo was responsible for what happened to Cornelius, the first act of ape on ape violence. Some great facial acting from Roddy McDowell, and then that whole sequence, capped off at the end by the line about the apes having just joined the human race. That was a powerful scene.

[@supahgualtah]

the only goowd one is the original the rest are boring af. everyone should just watch the remake from mat reeves

[@MrAntiSellOut]

In Battle Caesar was originally set to be bitter and evil towards humans having them lobotomized

[@theoriginalvideo-schmideoc905]

The original "Battle..." was to have been far more ambitious; laying the foundation for "Planet..."; but, budget constraints; and, too many studio concessions eliminated that hope.

[@kevinsupreme_ph36yearsago59]

This movie really pushed the pg rating to it's limit.

[@tailsprowerfan2729]

Wasn’t it rated G or that was only the frist 2?

[@Ami05]

The one and only Roddy. This man was the greatest.

[@kali3665]

Back then, we can understand why they changed the ending. Now, we wish this version had stayed. Caesar certainly has enough reason never to trust humans. And then they did the fifth film, screwing the original series forever....

[@theodoremastermind6898]

I do found Censer fall to villainy would have been interesting. This will be the ending in my own headcanon

[@CurtisAlfeld]

Modern audiences need to see this.

[@Filimaua13]

Modern audiences wouldn't appreciate this film as they would most likely focus on the "fake looking and laughable" apes and special effects instead of the actual story/themes the creators were trying to tell

[@comicz_the_7god]

Im part of the modern audience and we dont like monologues you fool hence why they never have them anymore

[@bjtucker5]

@@comicz_the_7god , So modern audiences are spergs?... Gotcha

[@mrblobby7864]

@@Filimaua13 That's a bit of a generalization. I'm part of what you'd call "the modern audience" and I really liked this movie.

[@Filimaua13]

@@mrblobby7864 Indeed sorry about that. I meant that if it were made and released now, people (being in an age spoiled with cgi and ultra realistic effects) would not be as willing to immerse themselves into the setting and story as they would be put off by the visuals and ofc the different type of acting style. Of course, there will be exceptions to that.

[@BulletProof_Viking]

The ironic twist is that Armando and MacDonald, and Dr. Dixon in the previous film, all help to cause humanity's destruction by helping Caesar. Hasslein had the right idea 🤣

[@A_YouTube_Commenter]

It's not an easy concept. The guy was right.

[@TheNovaWind]

THIS is the Caesar Proximus was idolizing 😂

[@danflex6802]

You’re right about that

[@leke_1020]

The Caesar Koba would never betrayed.

[@ricomajestic]

The theatrical ending is better. Caesar was taught to be good and compassionate by his adopted father, Armando. The theatrical ending is more in line with the love that was shown to Caesar by Armando. I believe the relationship between a young Caesar and the Armando character should've been explored more in this movie.

[@Godzilla00X]

The ape screams over the credits is so haunting

[@aaronpatrickball6595]

MacDonald: Caesar, this is not how it was to be. Caesar the chimpanzee: In your view or mine? MacDonald: violence prolongs hate. Hate prolongs Violence. By what right are you spilling blood? Caesar the chimpanzee: By the slave’s right to punish his persecutors. MacDonald: Caesar, I, a descendant of slaves, am asking you to show humanity. Caesar the Chimpanzee: But I was not born human. Macdonald: I know. The child of the evolved apes. Caesar the chimpanzee: Whose children shall rule the Earth. Macdonald: For better or for worse? Caesar the chimpanzee: Do you think it could be worse? 0:10

[@damiandelarosa7591]

the way how humanity is today chaotic and complicated does anybody feel it should end.

[@cathybell4170]

maybe sooner than we think.

[@CurtisAlfeld]

I feel like audiences missed the point of this film. When it came out, race riots were a big thing, and this movie was meant as a warning as to why they must end. Then in 1992 (a year after this movie is set) the racial charged LA Riots happened. And now, we have Black Lives Matter, repeating the mistakes of the past.

[@couldyoupassthesaltplease.2006]

Everywhere I go I see nutjob after nutjob. People look and act freaky as hell. So yeah i hear ya.

[@alexrodriguez351]

thats " society" for ya

[@gerardolopez4797]

I remember how people were leaving the Theater, Families with kids, expecting things like the old films... funny, when the Movie exactly ends!

[@jerryc5743]

3:27 - they actually edited this scene where Breck was spared and Roddy McDowell recorded an addendum to his speech indicating they would show mercy and they dubbed it in.

[@frankiehernandez6232]

It makes sense that he went for peace instead of war because as he said his speech with hate and anger he but remembers the teachings of his adopted human father/protector Armando.

[@dimpsey3]

This was Roddy McDowalls best performance out of all his work.He did an excellent very believable Job

[@robhansen6553]

wasn't there a version where they overdubbed a part to that where Caesar says they will put down their guns and show compassion?

[@Saint3188]

One aspect that everyone forgets about the apes films they had some of the bleakest and most shocking endings. This ending haunted me than the original and beneath the planet of the apes.

[@tperk]

The sound of the screaming apes in the plaza continuing through the closing credits...

[@Saint3188]

@@tperk That was haunting as well because it's the beginning of what was about to come.

[@cooldude2245]

A meteorite came and wiped out the cats and dogs with sickness. So man looked towards apes and found out they can do chores

[@dragdragon23]

the speech is the same and the end result was different like we saw here, when the governor was killed. From what I understood from the interview of those involved in the making of the movie was, The all black audience who saw the other more radical speech and this last ending. Really enjoyed it in a freakish black radical way of the time and that was the true reason they changed it, not wanting to add fuel to the fire of that time period.

[@theodoremastermind6898]

Really

[@andyrandall9289]

Producers had McDowell do additional ADR too end the movie on a more hopeful note. Has a kid i loved the theatrical ending. But has an adult the original ending made more sense.

[@andyrandall9289]

There was a documentary called, "Behind the Planet of the apes" on the AMC Channel along time ago. McDowell hosted the special. He was brought in too do a more happy ending. But it was kinda obvious when the gorillas were lowering their rifles, the fire in the background was a dead giveaway that they filmed it in reverse. Lol

[@gregp103]

No. But lots of sneakers and bicycles were stolen. Planet of the Bell Curve

[@TheKsnate]

I had no idea that this ending even existed. I have seen the movies over and over, who would have thought there was another ending.

[@rickferrari9042]

Roddy McDowall was the best, he played the parents, the son, everything this is the best speech ever

[@Zero_Point_Energy1]

Caesar, stop! That’s the longest run-on sentence I’ve ever heard!

[@chrismellito]

greatest ending to a movie.

[@brettwillis6247]

The speech; Cesar was saying, he did not mean one race he meant every race of people should make a stand together against evil.

[@asturiasceltic3183]

It's not only people, but there is a theme of animal rights as well

[@brettwillis6247]

@@asturiasceltic3183 yes you're right about that as well

[@deuce7643]

My favorite ending of all the Apes films!

[@Filimaua13]

Same 😄

[@steveblanmag7410]

Looks like he's thinking "i better never lose control of these psychos..."

[@tailedgates9]

My favorite ape movie out of the original 5 was Escape. I just loved Zira and Cornelius and their chemistry. Their story was so endeering and it made the ending that much more impactful...I was having a hard time choosing between Conquest and Escape (Conquest almost won just by Caesar's speech alone) but overall, Escape wins. ^_^

[@pedrotapia665]

Fdfttrrrttggfhhfhh❤🎉😂😅gggg🎉ggh

[@reasoning2men]

To me this is the planet of the apes movie with the most meaning behind it !

[@maynardmoleman]

this is the ending the film deserved...... I would love to see this one re-made with a real budget and kept faithful to the original story....

[@Filimaua13]

That's a great idea. Under a competent director who knows how to direct actors and tell character based stories and is a fan of the originals, I feel this film can be remade and done justice. I'd like it if they kept the same serious tone and didn't shy away from the violence

[@HuskyLemur]

Roddy McDowall’s Ceaser talks like he was a villainous dictator when he spoke with that deep villainous pre-darth vader/Hayden Christensen like performance back then 1:08, if some KZbinr editor used voice clips of anakin and obi-wan’s argument about anakin’s deluded idea of peace, justice, and freedom concept, and obi-wan’s talk of the republic and democracy on Caesar and Macdonald’s moment here now, we’d see the similarities between those two moments from Planet-Apes: Conquest and Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith already.

[@peter8488]

The scene of buried fears deep inside.

[@Prof_Tickles92]

I love how Caesar is hunched over and his face scrunched up. He’s framed like a goblin!

[@habib61291]

the vengeance of Habambe.

[@Gambit771]

'I, a descendent of slaves', so basically he's like every single person on earth. I like how the female ape is having doubts at that point but the speech wins her over.

[@mrhalloween1152]

Damn you theatrical cut, cut the best part

[@thomasschoenstein1589]

Such a good series. Each one is amazing.

[@shcomedy]

The alternate ending.

[@kuribayashi84]

I believe this ending will eventually lead to the events of the 1968-Movie and the eventual destruction in its Sequel, while the more hopeful ending in which the Apes decide to spare the Humans leads to _Battle of the Planet of the Apes,_ its epilogue and a peaceful co-existance between Humans and Apes.

[@mydude8731]

As hard as u try there's no connection to the newer films

[@chrismarks4277]

I miss these actors and actresses' they made damn great movies and char for this saga and the music omg the music fits so damn well!!!!!

[@theoldcannonfan1707]

I like Caesar more in the reboot this one is more bloodthirsty. Also he Reminds me of sheldon from big bang theory with how he talks.

[@nicholasoneal1521]

He's more morally ambiguous which I like

[@bazle64]

Why does this scene make you uncomfortable? White man

[@hannibalburgers477]

Caesar in the reboots is a revolutionary. Caesar in this is like an evil scientist

[@jimscribner8314]

@@bazle64 That remark is racist and sexist and I find it offensive.

[@bazle64]

@@jimscribner8314 sensitive whiteboi, no one cares

[@Landdar]

the inevitable day of man's downfall, the day when he finally and self-destructively turns his weapons against his own kind. The day of the writing in the sky, when your cities lie buried under radioactive rubble! When the sea is a dead sea, and the land is a wasteland, out of which I will lead my people from their captivity! And we will build our own cities, in which there will be no place for humans, except to serve our ends! And we shall found our own armies, our own religion, our own dynasty! And that day is upon you...NOW!!

[@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475]

@Aryan Ranger Do better.

[@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475]

@Aryan Ranger Make me mate.

[@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475]

@Aryan Ranger Still waiting.

[@Filimaua13]

This movie's entire point was showing how corrupted and evil anyone can get when they justify their outbursts with the cruel actions others display onto them. Caesar is portrayed as the sympathetic protagonist who becomes the villain himself when he just continues the cycle of hatred. Mr MacDonald was the true good guy by the end of the movie. Sure he lived in this society but he wanted change as well and related to Caesar's turmoil. But he found himself powerless to the fates of the universe as history repeated itself. If one truly wants change for the better, you must start with yourself and spread your goodwill and morals to those close to you.

[@Macleodking]

Roddy could really summon the thunder in his voice and manner when call upon. Just watch his performance in CLEOPATRA when he reads Mark Antony's humiliating last will and testament to the Roman Senate.

[@johnusher7628]

We shall found our own coffee shop We shall found our own nail bars Our own phone network