Conservatives Are Getting CREATIVE With Their Arguments

Conservatives like Madison Cawthorn and Ben Shapiro are inventing new arguments against abortion
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[@darkred1438]

“if women want abortions, all they have to do is not be in texas” gives heavy “ur homeless? just get a house” energy

[@just_a_turtle_chad]

C'mon bro just don't be born Texas or any red state.

[@garymcpake1136]

Same energy as "if your house is flooding, sell it and move". Seems like "the cool kid's philosopher" relies on that one a lot

[@DivinityAwakened]

This is a genuine question I'm asking. Im ignorant, so please dont attack me for it. Could a woman in Texas leave the state to legally get an abortion? Or would she still be subjected to legal persecution when she got back to Texas?

[@panpluto13]

I mean it's from the hogtok

[@DivinityAwakened]

@Emily Speck daaaaamn. That's really fucked up. So a woman from Texas who wanted an abortion would have to keep it completely secret? I dont understand how that even became a law smh

[@rockymtndrone]

Ben Shapiro: “don’t come to our country try and fix yours instead” Also Ben Shapiro: “if you don’t like our country just leave”

[@just_a_turtle_chad]

Shabibo: "Just don't be born in a place that doesn't allow abortion"

[@Armateras]

I wish the whole "Love it or leave it" crowd would just finally take their own advice, they clearly hate America and its people

[@blueyedevil1531]

@@Armateras yeah... only Republicans use that tactic syre

[@obrown2212]

​@KZbin is highkey garbage Sell their houses to who, ben? FUCKING AQUAMANN???

[@kindadecent9754]

@@obrown2212 Ariel is now a real estate agent

[@jacksonscott690]

Imagine telling a terrified teenage rape victim that she has to carry her baby to term. Traumatic both physically and mentally.

[@edenem]

it is a massive suicide risk, especially nowadays when most teens are already on the verge of it.

[@PostMalone-real]

She should just pick herself up by her bootstraps and open a small business

[@venomg5799]

@@PostMalone-real 🤭

[@mariaaba7528]

@@edenem 0

[@dabber8622]

@@arcticfoxgaming1488 can’t imagine how easy it is to defend yourself in a situation where you’re completely caught off guard like getting roofied

[@Invalourrr-vb3xo]

They really say "gods precious gift" like God doesn't let millions, even billions of babies after birth die from diseases, not to mention before birth with miscarriages

[@darkartsninja]

All the people killed in the Great Flood: "Are we a joke to you?"

[@Eliqueme]

Also with the 'Manifest Destiny' when first nations babies where thrown into fires and bashed into rocks, Because 'god' said this was justified... 😔

[@jordaneggerman4734]

@@darkartsninja oh, no, not at all! The Great Flood is just evidence that _we_ are the "good", we are the "just", and we are "right", no matter what. The "bad civilization" was washed away, leaving only us to remake the world. ...buncha crazies, is what they are.

[@fatcat1414]

They justify that by saying it's part of God's plan. Then they squirm when you ask how they know abortions aren't also part of God's plan.

[@idontwantahandlethough]

@@fatcat1414 Right? Like.. if you're going to pretend that you can talk to God and use that as justification, who's to say that he isn't talking to me too? God told me abortion was chill. He's also a HUGE fan of the gays. Don't get mad at me, I'm just the messenger ;)

[@garymcpake1136]

Maybe a hot take, but I don't get why we even argue about the morality of abortions. It seems like a waste of time given that making them illegal doesn't make them rarer, only more dangerous. Regardless of whether or not you like abortions, you (presumably) like women not dying during a medical procedure made needlessly dangerous, right?

[@theswagman1263]

the problem is these idiots think that women who get abortions DESERVE to die so they don't care at all about the women's wellbeing.

[@existenceispain4333]

These people don't actually care about saving lives. They only care about retribution

[@sunlightwarrior4893]

@@theswagman1263 dont they ?

[@garymcpake1136]

@@existenceispain4333 it certainly seems that way, especially when the actual solution to reducing abortions (not criminalising it, but free contraceptives and comprehensive sex education) is staring them right in the face... and they're against it 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@notrod5341]

Exactly. Abortion as a concept makes me a little uncomfortable but if I had it my way, I'd make abortions publicly accessible _and_ couple it with proper sex education for all genders as to reduce the amount of unwanted pregnancies, and hence abortions. (Also obviously im not the parents (especially the one who actually has to deliver the baby so its not my decision)

[@user-bz6gh5ng2m]

I could have sworn we had a separation of church and state…

[@rendajones7368]

Reagan put an end to that with the help of Fox News. Rich always have and always will have safe access to abortion. It’s disgusting.

[@starbee2262]

That’s what I said

[@account-pending-deletion]

"No that only counts for the parts of religion that don't match our worldview" - Conservatives

[@bawalbaba4820]

No, Eisenhower was the one who started the "under god" thingy and made church and state into an entity because of the red scare.

[@emilyhofland8219]

You've never had a separation of church and state. Religion has sought to use the government, to fill their buildings, ever since the church and the government have co-existed. Stop being nice and patient with those who have held back medicine and society for centuries.

[@greyboi9550]

"Why am I not more libertarian"- Ben Shapiro, the same man who wants to ban drugs, abortion, homosexaulity and more

[@xXRockXLobsterXx]

Ben Shapiro is about as "libertarian" as Mussolini! 😂

[@zachs.4371]

Being against abortion doesn't necessarily contradict libertarianism, because if you believe fetuses have a right to life then wanting to protect those rights lines up with libertarianism. Unfortunately for Ben, he has pretty clear alternative reasons for wanting abortion to be illegal that are very against libertarian values.

[@zachs.4371]

@KZbin is highkey garbage Bold of you to assume that a libertarian would have a wife

[@greyboi9550]

@@zachs.4371 I do have to disagree with you there, the libertarian argument is that the government should not be involved in peoples lives, and we let the market decide. Plus actual liberations know that it's a woman's choice not the fetus's. Ben is saying that the government should ban abortion, even though it's clear the market has decided that abortion is necessary.

[@zachs.4371]

@@greyboi9550 Just as socialism isn't when the government does things, libertarianism isn't when the government doesn't do things. Its central idea is to maximize personal liberties, which usually involves limiting the government but not always. Of course, "libertarians" like Ben Shapiro unironically believe that libertarianism is when the government doesn't do things, so your point is kind of true.

[@mauriciovela1288]

any politician that quotes any religious text should be relieved of his position, state and religion are supposed to be separated

[@BarnacleBoy42069]

Fr, it pisses me off that they always get away with that shit. Wanna be an evangelical Christian, or a Buddhist, or a Muslim? Fine, but leave that shit at the door

[@CrissCHG]

not necessarily , with that view anybody that has any ideology should also be relieved of his position

[@mauriciovela1288]

@@CrissCHG is just my understanding that the state was separated from religion, so what is wrong is trying to use a religions ideology to govern a democratic system

[@eve6262_]

specifically in the context of reasoning for a law/etc, I agree. but if they're asked why they support xyz and their answer is "I am a christian, and it says here in the bible" then I think that's fine, as that is an example of the law coinciding with their beliefs.

[@venomg5799]

@@CrissCHG ummm no. You're not understanding. Anyone can believe any way they wish. It's when they try to use their beliefs to push on others to believe the same things they do. Or pass laws with THEIR beliefs in mind. Pretty simple.

[@villian99918]

Its really great that America, a country with diverse people with different religious and ethnic backgrounds. Gets to have someone use"But Jesus!" As a excuse for something to or to not happen

[@dividetc263]

Also a country that tries to claim there is separation of church and state.

[@hyliangod3120]

Separation of church and state until it benefits me in any way to appeal to imaginary authority so I can pander.

[@oleedee5416]

Fire pfp 🙂

[@dividetc263]

@@hyliangod3120 Yh as soon as any elected officials starts talking about God they should just be ignored after that. If you have to use religion as a justification it should be ignored.

[@TheHockey991]

Yeah, very true. People should be able to say abortion is murder without religion, because it is.

[@SethBishopMusic]

if these people were truly against abortion and believe it's wrong, they should be the first people rallying behind *free* access to contraceptives for girls of all ages or monthly checks to single people that choose to have children they otherwise wouldn't be able to take care of. *The thing is they won't do that, because they don't actually want to stop the issues that make people seek abortions, they simply just want to control women*

[@2FadeMusic]

big fax, tru fax, based and factual

[@zachs.4371]

But didn't you know? Jesus himself said if contraceptives were ever invented you would be sent to hell for using them.

[@robertthedevil7598]

Yah, if they really "cared about the children", they wouldn't keep on electing ghouls who have shredded the social safety net for decades and are the first to shriek about muh workfare not welfare, not my kids, not my problem.

[@doops8165]

i understand what youre saying but i think there are other options instead of getting an abortion, such as adoption and i think there are programs that help single mothers; i just dont like the idea of a baby not having a chance at life bc it isnt wanted, it's not about controlling women

[@SethBishopMusic]

@@zachs.4371 can you find that verse lmao Jesus never said that 😂 what Jesus did say however Is that it’s easier for a camel to get through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get to heaven - maybe, if politicians actually used their wealth to help people instead of hoard wealth, they’d see a much better society anyway

[@fatcat1414]

I feel like we need to start penalizing appeals to religion in situations like this. If you need to refer to religion to justify legislation, then the law is religious in nature and violates the 1st Amendment.

[@fatcat1414]

@@jd0604 I didn't say you had to be religious to not like abortion. I was saying that if theology is used to justify legislation, overtly or subtly, then the law is theocratic. The existence of athiest pro-lifers helps my point more than anything, because it proves there is a secular case to be made and that these legislators shouldn't be feeling the need to bring up religion at all.

[@GUILLOTINE_GANG]

@@fatcat1414 👏👏👏

[@yissellgonzalez6306]

@@fatcat1414 Fat Cat spittin fr 🗣

[@whalefuhk]

I’m going to say something controversial yet brave- just bc you survived a horrific car accident and have “ambition” does not mean you should be elected into congress. Sorry Madison.

[@panpluto13]

Ambition must be code for gun in his carry on.

[@timn0ugat1]

@KZbin is highkey garbage more like an American world war 2 propaganda cartoon

[@chefleen1254]

Seriously they should bar anybody whose has a history of sexual misconduct from running for office. The dude was literally so gross over a hundred of his peers spoke out against him.

[@whalefuhk]

@KZbin is highkey garbage Madison thinks he’s All Might from My Hero Academia 😂 period

[@whalefuhk]

@@chefleen1254 andddd he lied about being accepted into military/marine/navy school whatever one it was before his accident 😂

[@agorczy2]

"... meet death before they breathe life." So you agree - they were never alive.

[@tylerhackner9731]

They were never pro life

[@abbiereese08]

No. Republicans support the death penalty! Pro life my ass!

[@anzabi1543]

Someone in the chat said "I get abortions just to feel something" And I think if Ben saw that he'd take it seriously 😂😂

[@rendajones7368]

Mad Maddie also called for a “one religion/ one party country” and wants to start a “holy war”.

[@jeremiahbennett3004]

Wait thats literally fascism, like not even hiding it that is literally facism

[@panpluto13]

Wait the guy who referred to hitler as Fuhrer and who said a visit to his retreat did not disappoint? That guy?

[@07Flash11MRC]

@@panpluto13 Yeah, that guy.

[@jonathalon6022]

@@panpluto13 this is beyond satire

[@venomg5799]

Those always went super well.

[@kaitlynhewlin]

they should not be able to even mention god in discussions like this. i don’t believe in YOUR god. therefore i am not abiding by your rules. come up with an argument that doesn’t compare women to inanimate objects and doesn’t mention god, then we can talk.

[@starbee2262]

So true, I’m so sick of god talk. I personally do believe but that don’t mean shit, if he (god) doesn’t want women to get abortions he would have made our chemistry and biology not able too. Makes no sense.

[@ericktellez7632]

hell I dont believe in ANY god at all. people shouldn't mention anything religious when discussing law.

[@rhodriwilliams2599]

The people who support the use of God in Congress are same ones who would scream terrorism and Anti-American if they heard the word “Allah” in any context

[@PlatinumAltaria]

Same when someone says "it's my culture". I don't give a shit about your culture, go away.

[@keithy5932]

As a Catholic I understand how religion can help guide people's opinions and beliefs and whatnot. However, you can't use God as a reason for anything when you work in the fucking government. Why does our exact God matter when other people have different interpretations of who God is? It makes zero sense to impose that on anybody, especially when separation of Church and State is essential to maintaining integrity. Abortion is a human right. Women's rights shouldn't take a backseat when your beliefs come into play.

[@Pensive_Scarlet]

I don't think anyone who says "life is sacred" is being honest unless they believe health care is a human right.

[@iamgoo]

You can get health care no matter how poor you are at the time. Yes it will cost you later because the doctors need paid, and the hospital needs money to continue, and money needs raised for other medical treatments, and simply because it's not free to them. They won't deny you aid however. And at least the aid you'll receive will be of high quality. Plus there's health insurance which makes it really affordable. "Free" has its own costs...

[@Pensive_Scarlet]

@@iamgoo We live in a time of abundant resources. The people who control those resources could easily use them to fund healthcare for all in their respective countries.

[@elliefuller3667]

Also, if they believe gay people should not be allowed to adopt. If life is sacred, let kids have good, happy lives, regardless of the gender or sex of their parents.

[@Deemo202]

“All they have to do is just not be in Texas” Hear that ladies? Just leave Texas, no matter what your financial situation is just leave Texas. We must make Texas a state that is literally only men.

[@chefleen1254]

The man who has so many sexual allegations stacked up against him that 150 of his class mates spoke out against him is trying to make decisions on women’s body? Yeah ok sure bud

[@mediocregamer2484]

Mfs will force women to have children but not advocate for maternity leave or even better Healthcare lol

[@peterinbrat]

This guy is married to a doctor and doesn't understand female sexual arousal. Women might be more willing to have kids with free healthcare, parental leave and tax rebates for kids. Half the country makes $15 or less per hour and it's $2000+ for a studio apt in any city now.

[@TheBlazersfan22]

I watched a episode of 600 ilb life the women got preg . And husband left her. And she had a abortion cause of the husband leaving and no clue how to mothee a child with a bad income. She was very lucky to have it. Imagine others in that same situation.

[@badinstructor6806]

Also, how the fuck do you pay for giving birth? Doesn't it cost several thousands of dollars in US?

[@TheBlazersfan22]

@@badinstructor6806 that's true. It does cost to give birth. you are right.

[@PostMalone-real]

@@TheBlazersfan22 “you can’t put a price on life” American healthcare: $500 for the food, $1000 for the room, and $7000 for the actual birth

[@TheBlazersfan22]

@@PostMalone-real in canads. Price of life is free. You dont get charged for it. Hence why it doesnt turn people off on wanting kids.

[@somewhat-blue]

I’m pretty sure Ben’s “except when the mother’s life is at risk” caveat is based on his interpretation of the principle of pikuach nefesh, which is the halakhic (Jewish legal) principle that says preserving life ALWAYS overrides any other religious law. What makes his position especially bizarre to me, though, is that even literal hasidim are more liberal than Ben on this issue - when the mother’s life is at any level of risk, abortion is not only allowed but is specifically commanded and regarded as a morally good act. Anyone authentically deriving their positions from Jewish law, as opposed to using their religiosity as a post-hoc justification to hold their far-right beliefs even when they’re demonstrably false, would not be talking about abortion the way Ben does.

[@spookyfirkser]

HELL YEAH THANK YOU. Ben wears his little yarmulke to hide behind not being an evangelical christian because that makes him more palatable to centrists. He doesn't follow the spirit of the text at all. Worst Jewish representation imaginable.

[@idontwantahandlethough]

@@spookyfirkser I absolutely hate how transparent he is. I know a good number of Jewish people, and they generally are _nothing_ like Ben, with his holier-than-thou shtick. If there's one thing I notice that's fairly consistent about Jewish people, it's that they're generally less literal and more practical in their interpretation of religious texts, which seems pretty cool to me! I wish all religious groups did that... I wish Ben did that. He's just using the religion as a prop for his personal gain. And I'm not 100% sure about the Jewish God, but the Christian God is decidedly *NOT* cool with that. At all. I think he even made it one of his "10 big no no's" or whatever it's called. And since I've heard that they might be the same guy, I'm going to assume Jewish God isn't a fan of that either lol

[@spookyfirkser]

@@idontwantahandlethough It's the same fella!!! Y'all have some addenda going on with the original text; you've got the Peter Jackson cinematic interpretation of the original books. Judaism is interpreted by many - an interpretation to which I subscribe - as fairly communistic: some real crusty lefty vibes. The law that OP here is referencing has always been shorthanded to me as "choose life," meaning that any lesser Jewish law that interferes with you being alive is moot, so if, say, you're stranded somewhere and starving and there's food available that isn't kosher, you're not only allowed to eat that food, but required to. Anyway the point is that Ben can suck an egg, and his yarmulke doesn't make him a good Jew. He's lucky we don't have a Hell for him to land in.

[@postyoda1623]

Because Ben isn't pandering to the Jewish people, he's pandering to the American right, so he has to pretend to have all the opinions that the evangelicals have.

[@scifisyko]

Functionally he’s not Jewish, functionally he’s a fundamentalist evangelical Christian.

[@andreabenton7798]

Why is this such a hard concept to explain? Woman have pregnancy Woman can’t handle pregnancy or just didn’t want to become a mother Woman gets abortion and continues living her life. You are not the one who is having the pregnancy Leave to the woman to decide how her life goes The end….

[@starbee2262]

YES!!

[@pamdemonia]

EXACTLY:

[@The1nvisibleJeevas]

They can't comprehend women not wanting to be mothers/not being able to handle pregnancy. And they try to sweep those issues under the rug by saying that those women shouldn't be having sex in the first place. It's not about comprehension. It's about control.

[@enid9911]

@@The1nvisibleJeevas That's why I argue that men should have the right to opt out of parenthood through a "financial abortion" too. It would make people more aware that everyone should have a right to choose and this will ultimately lead to more pro-choice support. Unfortunately, even plenty of pro-choice supporters use the argument you just criticized towards men.

[@The1nvisibleJeevas]

@@enid9911 I, too, lean towards support for financial abortions. Parenthood should be consensual for both parents. Single parenthood isn’t ideal but neither is forced fatherhood. Talk to your partner, folks, before doing the sex.

[@nursem65]

It disgusts me that girls as young as 8 (I know women who started menstruation at 8) will be forced to carry her father's/rapists baby. The trauma that will result from not only the physical but the mental and financial strain that will put on the girl will be great. Ben along with other conservatives only care about an unborn child until its born, then its to hell with the mother and baby.

[@jonathalon6022]

Deadass. If they gave a fuck about children they'd support welfare and support for young mothers and their families.

[@enid9911]

I'm pro-choice but women have safe haven laws and they can put the baby up for adoption without notifying the biological father. So even if abortion were illegal, women and girls have still more choices to abandon their financial responsibilities to an unwanted child than a raped man/boy. Please use valid arguments next time unless you want to portray the pro choice side as idiots.

[@adenaw4132]

@@enid9911 what are you talking about? Putting a child up for adoption still doesn’t relieve the physical or mental strain of carrying an unwanted pregnancy to term. Not sure why you’re comparing that to male rape victims. Male rape victims definitely experience a wealth of trauma that should be addressed, but they will never be forced to carry a pregnancy to term. It’s not the same conversation.

[@enid9911]

@@adenaw4132 The original comment I responded to implied that women solely have the option of an abortion to abandon their parental responsibilities and if this option were taken away, they would be forced to financially support their unwanted child like men. But this is false. I don't think the pro-choice argument needs lies in order to succeed.

[@BKDBut]

You're aware of the percentage of that type of abortion, right?

[@frickinfrick8488]

“They can just move somewhere where abortion is legal” is on the same level as “they can just sell their flooded homes and move” in terms of bafflingly stupid Ben Shapiro takes

[@kosmtekken]

My wife got an early-term recently and they were soooo obsessed with the idea of there being a heartbeat. They even tried to tell my wife that her clinic wasn't a real clinic therefore there could be a heartbeat.... but they examined her and finally let her have it when backed into a corner. They really said "There's no heartbeat... but what if there was?" and that was planned parenthood. lol

[@AdamJMGamesDev]

Glad that your wife was OK. I hope it all went safely. That manipulation is awful. Solidarity with you both and all the best 👍🏾

[@Edgedrifle]

As hasan said they aren’t pro life they’re pro forcing women to carry pregnancy to term

[@LKHooray]

I'm from Ireland and I know this "if you want an abortion so bad go to the country nextdoor" argument very well and it drives me up the wall because I thought you thought it's a life?? Either admit to me you want to push your beliefs on me or that you don't actually give a shit. A lot of people pushing that idea are rich too so I'm sure they are trying to keep an option open for them and just them

[@alexshemwell8320]

More workers kept in capitalist wage-slavery.

[@blue---monday]

preach

[@internalizedhappyness9774]

Amen to that!

[@Heeroneko]

Every time a guy talks about a woman having a baby like it's just fun time off work it fucking amazes me.

[@lamedragon3323]

It's insane how "Women shouldn't have abortions because fetuses are signs of a guy that i decided to believe is the creator of the universe" is ever considered a valid argument.

[@mrobject9113]

Imagine if you took a picture and you couldn't afford to have that picture developed, then other people forced you to either develop that picture even if it'll be very negative to you, or you're forced to leave your country to legally have the picture destroyed.

[@idontwantahandlethough]

Ha. Negative. Polaroid. Nice.

[@alexshemwell8320]

Imagine you're the camera.

[@nostop8894]

As a young woman I can say that Benny Boy is 100% right, my life is completely centered around motherhood and the children I don't have nor want. In fact, I am proud to be seen as an incubator and wish I could save all of my eggs instead of having stupid bodily functions so that I could pop out endless infants to thrust into the foster system because I can't afford to raise them. I wish Ben would stop using the word "women" and just say "uteruses" instead so that I could feel more properly represented.

[@michaelnewman7248]

He's too shy to say uterus, he would say u-word

[@roystonmason9125]

damn ! you go girl

[@marinacroy1338]

YAAASSSS fellow uteruses rise up

[@justin-md4xm]

Each t her own. I respect your kink

[@chrisj9392]

I thought Republicans were supporters of the Freedom of Choice and last time i remember debates were Pro-life vs. Pro-Choice...... the irony

[@rhodriwilliams2599]

They were all about “my body, my choice” when it came to vaccines and masks. Maybe the only believe that when it’s THEIR bodies though…

[@idontwantahandlethough]

@@rhodriwilliams2599 In their mind, women's bodies _ARE_ their bodies. Instead of.. you know.. being _women's bodies._

[@classwarhooligan923]

Americans already have to go to Mexico to get cheaper medications. That should tell us something about our healthcare system.

[@sodalilies]

Jordan Peterson's take: (Kermit voice) "Abortion is low-resolution polaroid thinking."

[@Mr___f]

Is this before or after the daily benzo seizure?

[@kelpygaltaccount9416]

@@Mr___f after the apple cider high

[@Eliqueme]

@@kelpygaltaccount9416 lol

[@markwolfe947]

If I remember correctly, Jordan Peterson was asked about abortion, and he said that abortion was a symptom, not the cause, and the west needs to fix the current state of relationships. Be it education, access, or other actions. It was during his Biblical lectures and seemed fair. Even if he is against it, being a psychologist is not about imposing him on others but for others to be a better them. Like his assertiveness training, he cites a female lawyer helping her get more compensation to reflect her 20 years of experience.

[@markwolfe947]

@L M Already did not too big on his political activism, like his psychological material and textbooks he wrote. Read Jonathon Haidt, then Michel De Montaigne, Satre, and the Classics Plato and Aristotle, among others. Albert Camus was my favorite, looking to but Alan Watts books soon. So I already moved on from Jordan. He should have stayed in Psychology and Self Help as he says he helped many in his practice, his biblical lecture where he psychoanalyzed the Bible.

[@just_a_turtle_chad]

Ben Shapiro: "Just don't be born in Texas bro"

[@anibalhyrulesantihero7021]

Greg Abouttogethisa**handed

[@alexshemwell8320]

Don't be born in the middle of a gigantic state, you'll be fine.

[@Wiggyam]

Mexico, Land of the Free, Home of the Taco

[@swatm4525]

More like home of the cartel

[@ajvillegas2107]

@@swatm4525 thank the US for that

[@obamaslefteyeball1710]

Don’t forget the yellow Hollywood filter

[@anibalhyrulesantihero7021]

Ted CanCruz

[@obamaslefteyeball1710]

@@swatm4525 bro how’d you get ratioed by an anime pfp 😂

[@djixi98]

Gotta love Ben, who has _one_ child, criticising people for not having 2.1 children in order to not "depopulate" "western world" lol

[@addyy8544]

Sex work, drug use, abortion etc. Can and will never be completely stopped. Putting ban on such things can only make it unsafe. People like Ben piss me off because they actively want people to have bad times.

[@kamala7101]

you're a joke

[@floruit7676]

@@kamala7101 cry

[@Fantallana]

@@kamala7101 cope harder bby 💋

[@axofbrevity]

I've had an abortion. It saved my life.

[@Goat.Cheese]

Literally or figuratively?

[@axofbrevity]

@@Goat.Cheese literally.

[@FeministCatLadySpinster]

Madison is so focused on the developing picture he doesn't even spare a thought to the picture already there. If it was really about babies, conservatives would be singing a different tune regarding healthcare, education, childcare, etc. They just don't want women to have bodily autonomy, for some reason.

[@3dartxsi]

Madison Cawthorn has major serial killer energy. While I think almost every Republican politician is an irredeemably bad person, Cawthorn is one of the few who I think would thoroughly enjoy watching the life leave someone's eyes.

[@Cheezus]

hell even in California, they pressure the women to not get the abortion so hard, it's fucking wild and mentally traumatic for these people just trying to survive.

[@PostMalone-real]

Here in fl they straight up lie. My friend in school was told by the abortion clinic that it’s past 6 weeks and they couldn’t get an abortion.

[@nickstojic6995]

Is it hard for people trying to survive? Even harder to survive when half the population wants to make it a right to choose to kill you

[@brandonsayring]

When my wife was pregnant the increase of her estrogen levels flared up malignancies in her breast making them metastasize to her spine and lymph nodes which almost killed her. We were almost at the point where we would have had to choose between her or the baby. Removing abortions takes away this choice which is surprisingly frequent for a variety of different reasons. I cant imagine a reality where that option is taken away from people. Why are these white men talking about pregnancy like it's a simple straight forward procedure? It would be interesting to see the rate of postnatal depression among women in places which have outlawed abortion in contrast with places that allow it. My guess is forcing an SA victim to carry to full term is psychologically damaging.

[@christophergreen6595]

An argument i keep returning to... Pregnancy/childbirth carries a high chance of maiming for life.

[@fluidthought42]

@@christophergreen6595 People are straight up ignorant, probably willfully, as to how dangerous pregnancy and birth is for women. For example, states with more restrictive abortion laws correlate with higher maternal mortality rates. Not causation in of itself, but it is suggestive regarding how each state approaches women's health and who they prioritize.

[@alexshemwell8320]

Listening to my friends who are mothers describe the physical damage it does your body is terrifying.

[@2FadeMusic]

the lawmakers don't actually give a fuck about abortion you know for a fact all of these dudes would blackmail any girl to get an abortion if it would hurt their soulless career. abortion was never even an issue at all until it was manufactured by republicans to get the evangelical vote LOL. sometimes I see these people with "pray to end abortion" signs on my way to work and it pisses me off

[@fluidthought42]

@@2FadeMusic I dunno, authoritarians are good at doublethink. Meaning that they can force a woman to get an abortion and supress any feelings of cognitive dissonance from being anti-choice.

[@cease842]

Madison Cawthorn just single handedly proved there is no separation between church and state

[@nxthy6978]

This example makes literally no sense. A fair comparison would be someone taking a photo, spending an excess amount of time to decide what to do with it and then asking someone to destroy it for them

[@Aazel]

Or someone making a foto for you and forcing you to keep it, even though it could kill you to have that photo fully reveal. It's so stupid

[@CrissCHG]

what... ?

[@nxthy6978]

@@CrissCHG What part has you puzzled?

[@XxxXmetalhead]

Also the photo taker literally has to pay one million over 18 years

[@alexshemwell8320]

Imagine if the camera was sentient and aware of the photo developing inside it.

[@beefybunsboy5310]

Hypothetically let's say I made a stinky

[@BME20]

My mom only believes in abstinence only sex ed...how can you be anti abortion and not want to do everything you can to prevent abortion

[@KC-vs7wp]

My family is the same way. In their case, it’s because it’s not really about the life of a baby - it’s about the “decline” of morals in society (aka women having sex). I think it’s more of an “if everyone were Christian then we wouldn’t even need abortions, now would we?” sort of thing.

[@dajiyahmcae1880]

The doctor that removed my pregnancy was a gay man. I’m not sure why, but that intersection gave me comfort when deciding to choose a future worth fighting for.

[@SWDShelp]

"The left is making arguments with no internal logic" "The left is making illogical, *immoral* arguments" Logic man strikes again by making framing it entirely in emotion and morality, proceeding to make no logic based arguments at all and making an emotional argument about Sanger towards guilt by association. Ben needs to be taken down a peg by someone who actually knows what the words he says mean, but that's not the kinda person he'd be seen talking to very often so I'm not holding my breath.

[@wagashi]

I know scores of people who already go to Mexico for pretty much all their medical needs. Well done, richest country in human history!

[@PiLLO360]

My Mexican mom goes to Mexico for her dental care

[@idontwantahandlethough]

@@PiLLO360 So much cheaper. I could afford to fly to Mexico, get a few cavities filled, get a root canal, eat some tasty food, bite my tongue because of the numbing agent, fly back, and it would *STILL BE LESS EXPENSIVE THAN IT WOULD COST TO GO TO THE DENTIST 3 MINUTES DOWN THE ROAD.* It's absurd.

[@babosanders5223]

i got most of my childcare dental care in mexico. moved here when i was 9 too, used to go back every summer

[@Summonization]

It was 5k$ to remove 2 wisdom teeth for me in loudoun county…. Yall jokin right.

[@wagashi]

@@Summonization next time you need to uhh.. remove your wisdom teeth.. or do any kind of medical procedure without insurance literally just buy a ticket to Tijuana and do it there. It'll actually be cheaper that way

[@Julie-ep6yk]

I just wanna know wtf happened to separation of church and state. Don't want an abortion? Don't get one. But stop trying to take away other people's right and ability to get one.

[@Dlipton01]

It wasn’t really there to begin with, it was a deception.

[@nickstojic6995]

“If you don’t want to own a slave the don’t own one but you can’t tell others what to do” energy

[@Julie-ep6yk]

@@nickstojic6995 comparing a personal medical decision that could save someone’s life to the atrocity and horror of slavery just shows how ignorant you are. Get out of my mentions

[@nickstojic6995]

@@Julie-ep6yk 1. I was pointing out how flawed that logic is, it doesn’t matter what the crime is I could compare it to many things. 2. Describing an abortion in the way you did shows how ignorant you are. Someone does 100% of the time in an abortion and it’s almost universally agreed that to save the mothers life is an acceptation.

[@dannyv2230]

Didn’t Madison Cawthorn literally get rolled on an interview for CNN when they asked why his win was totally legal but Trump lost because election fraud 😂

[@RubyDoobieScoo]

There's very little difference between Republicans and fundamentalist Muslims in the Middle East.

[@lilo19951995]

very very true

[@check2765]

I’m Canada, it’s the complete opposite. Abortion is decriminalized here but there are people that want to criminalize it. They don’t realize criminalizing abortion will only lead to back-alley abortions. It’s impossible to get rid of the practice.

[@Chase_Ryan]

Man it would be so hard to be in congress because I’d just bust out laughing and make fun of them.

[@Gilgaemesh]

I swear republicans just vibe with America becoming a dystopia and adamantly want it to happen. They see Blade Runner and think it's poggers...

[@uskeeze2131]

Here is how the polaroid analogy should go: Imagine you just bought a polaroid camera. You're so excited to take photos with your new polaroid camera you forget to wear pants and accidentally take a nude photo pic. The film pops out the front and as you're looking at this undeveloped polaroid you think to yourself. "Holy shit I'm not ready to have a nude photo of me forever immortalized on this polaroid" Do you have the right to rip it up before it fully develops and save yourself from embarrassment because of your gross nude body polaroid?

[@dannyv2230]

Ben “Just go to another state if you want an abortion” Shabino not realizing how huge Texas is and how hard it can be for really poor people to drive a couple hours

[@The1nvisibleJeevas]

Remember, this is the same guy who said we should just sell our houses if they end up underwater due to global warming. I don't think this man has ever touched grass in his life.

[@Summonization]

Oh theres a typhoon next to ur house? Just get a new house mang.

[@dannyv2230]

@@The1nvisibleJeevas I love the video where they react to that part saying “To who Ben?… AQUAMAN???”

[@Godhatesfatpeople]

Cawthorn's brain works as well as his legs

[@emilyhofland8219]

It's like selling your underwater home.

[@Manlyman47]

The man is so evil it becomes stupid.

[@justified_wrath_21]

first 7 seconds of the vid are 100% based

[@goblin3784]

🍌

[@Waynekurr]

Bananas, just bananas

[@thomassasek5340]

Banana

[@elrored]

🍌🍌🍌True 🍌🍌🍌

[@bananasplease666]

@@thomassasek5340 i've been summoned

[@planetub]

why is ben’s solution to everything “just move lol”

[@SkeletinaScreama]

Mr. Cawthorn really thought he had something with that comparison. Like, you realize how asinine it sounds to tell a woman she can't rip up her own picture. Ugh quit comparing people to inanimate objects. 🙄 Also, I'd feel a lot better morally if a woman gets an abortion than if a woman has that baby and leaves it in a dumpster. Or worse, beats, abuses, or neglects said child. A man shouldn't legally be able to walk away from a child or have the option to not take care of it. Everyone gets a DNA test at birth where your parents are confirmed and then both parents have to care for physically and financially for that child until adult hood. Madness!

[@awkwardlyme8273]

In a law class of mine, we discussed the origins of Roe v. Wade and how a judge was against it, went and researched it while there was a break, and switched how he viewed abortion which allowed for the original Roe v. Wade.

[@pilipala4003]

The maternity leave graph is wrong. In the UK you're entitled to 39 weeks Maternity Leave with pay and an additional 13 no pay, a total 52 weeks, as standard by law. Edit: I'm only familiar with UK maternity so my point is if it's wrong about that I'm gonna take a wild guess and say its wrong about the other countries

[@GaminGusTav]

in Germany you can take parental leave until your kid turns 8, and if you come back they have to offer you a job/position thats equal to your old one

[@pilipala4003]

@@GaminGusTav yeah I can't remember the specifics but my old job was nasty and they tried fucking about with me when was pregnant and tried to "let me go" (in the UK) absolutely illegal, so knowing the law I casually mentioned it to my local representative who's also a lawyer and came in to work armed with you know *facts* they shit themselves so upped my pay to calm the situation. You have to have your job to come back to in the UK. Needless to say I got my maternity and got the fuck out of that shit hole.

[@BKDBut]

@@GaminGusTav where do you see 8? I see 3 and it's unpaid for most

[@GaminGusTav]

@@BKDBut what do you mean "see"? Yes, most of it unpaid, obviously. But you can take parental leave until your kid turns 8 and they do have to offer you the same/equal job/position you had before. It's written in German law...

[@BKDBut]

@@GaminGusTav I'm saying when I searched it up I saw 3..... I'm asking where did you see it say 8..... My bad for asking a question...... And taking unpaid leave for 8 years and still having a job after isn't the issue..... It's paid maternity leave that matters...........

[@captainowl1110]

I will never understand anti-abortion groups. How it affects you that someone else takes the decision to abortion? Mind your own business, you don't know the situation of that woman. Overall, what I want is for women to have an option.

[@thePANDEMlC]

They believe it's murder, telling them to leave it alone is silly. Would you accept that line from a white supremacist group murdering black people and getting away with it? Just leave it alone, mind your own business! It doesn't matter that it's not murder, but in their reality it is. So your line of reasoning does nothing to answer their concerns.

[@captainowl1110]

@@thePANDEMlC I know, I think it impossible to find a middle point with the anti-abortion people, because you are right, they see it like killing a baby and pro-abortion see it like stopping the development of cells. I just really hate how things are developing here in Texas.

[@billmagundie6866]

It's crazy that this is even a conversation in the US. This is considered a "solved" problem for the rest of the developed (and even the underdeveloped and undeveloped world). I overgeneralized in this comment.

[@samiamrg7]

Well, not exactly. South America especially has a lot of restrictions on abortion because, you know, Catholicism. I assume there are heavily Muslim countries that are the same. Lots of traditional cultures just don’t like giving women that kind of freedom. It does vary by place, though.

[@HOULWOOD]

Sadly the issue regularly resurfaces whenever any country swings towards conservatism. Next thing you know something like Poland happens

[@CrissCHG]

but you mean by "solved" problem ?

[@ImJustJaime]

Poland barely had legalized abortion and banned what was legal just *last year*. I actually think some countries are going backwards. Ireland legalized it in 2019 though.

[@billmagundie6866]

@@CrissCHG I just meant a political/moral issue that has reached its conclusion.

[@hellwain]

Imagine arguing for law of nature while living in a society. Right wing intelect right there

[@obrey__]

“The left’s only metric of success is equality of outcome.” Where tf did ben get that from? That’s the stupidest sentence I’ve heard all day

[@agamemnon730]

I guess at least Mexico has better healthcare and education systems so all Shapiro is saying is to go somewhere safer

[@JT-ds2gn]

Yes having a baby is exactly the same as taking a picture lmao

[@clive-elios]

are we even surprised at this point

[@hurensohn7605]

I love that he also thinks the image of god doesnt deserve health care.

[@rachelroyce278]

pro life ben shabibo wants a world where i got 0 paid maternity leave and my husband almost got fired because he called out to be with me during labor, and britney spears is still under her bull shit conservatorship. Libertarian btw

[@MeanStreamFraudCast]

Jordy Peterson, who's claim to fame is being WRONG about Bill C-16, is strangely quiet about Texas. I guess fascist slippery slopes are cool if it's in the name of God, eh, Jordy?

[@starbee2262]

This is so stupid, has he literally never took a 10-11th grade biology class? I’m in one rn and we don’t even need the replacement theory then population is so large in the world. World population will continue to grow even if every countries birth rate was below 2

[@browneyesblackdragon7999]

BENSHABEBO. 😩 what's this lil corporate pixie up to now.

[@isabelleshoe147]

Kinda reminds me of this one story I heard where back in the day (I forgot what year but I believe it was in the 70s-80s) where this woman was in an abusive relationship and the law had stated that you could only get a termination of pregnancy if the mother’s life was in danger. So she went to the local doctor and was like “hey if you do not get rid of my pregnancy, I will unalive myself” and held up a knife to her wrist. She didn’t want her or the fetus to live through abuse by the hands of her ex husband. The doctor knew she was dead serious and did the abortion for her and apparently she was able to walk away from her marriage and all that safely. I feel like more of this will happen if we restrict termination

[@LogicGated]

Ben Shapiro with his legendary just move argument.

[@jamesbirle3963]

Anyone else just delighted that Ben’s calling the left “they?” Left = singular

[@MrJunga]

Imagine accidentally taking a photo on your digital camera, and deleting it instead of developing it. You took that photo, now you need to develop it, frame it, and hang it on your wall like god intended.

[@TommyLikeTom]

Imagine you took a Polaroid of something you didn't want by mistake and you want to destroy it before anybody sees and the government interjects because every single photo has to be developed _by law_ and looked at and you have no choice but to develop the photo and show everyone.

[@Adam-zy9fv]

Ok but now pretend that it’s a human being instead of a paper photograph

[@alicedeligny9240]

I guess I don't have the right to destroy my undevelopped photos anymore. This truly is freedom. Like come on.

[@net28573]

I've been trying to stay away from politics for a while because of how conservatives have been politicizing vaccines and masks etc. Hearing this gives me hope.

[@cydniebutler3116]

These men make me genuinely afraid for our health and well being Clinics in Texas were shut down the day before my appointment and I was forced to stay pregnant against my will I almost starved to death without intervention and almost didn't make it during a birth I wanted nothing to do with.

[@stephanierose4970]

In my opinion, once somebody brings up “god”, their entire argument collapses

[@filiprochette7793]

Damn, Madison Cawthorn was on another level of hingelessness this time.

[@exempli646]

"going to spout nonsense and craziness and make arguments that have no internal logic to them" Ben Shapiro describes himself and his entire work

[@lego_the_cat]

Those are his life plans

[@nonreligionist]

They meet death before they can breathe life? So it's not living in the first place. Nailed it

[@RobertGuilman]

If Roe v Wade got overruled, than that's a major victory for Conservative, a starting point of re-concervativise America

[@madeofmeats]

His allegory made literally 0 sense. Do conservatives really believe that people are being forced to abort their babies? I seriously can’t figure out his reasoning, did he only skim through the hypothetical and then printed it out? I reckon that’s the only explanation, that was his first time actually reading through it 🙃

[@norilyy]

its crazy to me that americans can still use “because god says so” as an argument in the legislative process

[@saisame7975]

So all these people want women who where raped, carry a child of a rapist? That is biggest humiliation for woman. What is wrong with those people.

[@emzyfallen7257]

I want to make drive by abortions a thing.

[@kontankarite]

What we need is an abortion industrial complex.

[@Fantallana]

Based

[@Newspeak.]

I know I’m a dork for saying this but it bothers me that people still think you have to shake a Polaroid. With the peel apart Polaroid film called pack film the print comes out wet so yo need to shake it to dry it or rather that’s why some people would do that. With the type of film that spits out of the front of the camera there is a plastic cover over the print so there is no need to shake it. Thank you for subscribing to Polaroid facts.

[@TatoISR]

Scalia was famous for carrying a Frankenstein's monster of a dictionary with various definitions of words that would support his position at any given time. So yes, textualism/originalism is fake.

[@pas84av2]

He literally said "BEFORE THEY BREATHE LIFE..." Isn't that an admission that fetuses are not alive?

[@jwally1434]

He's saying that the child cannot fully experience life before they are killed.

[@kingboobs20]

Even his sacred Bible says life begins at birth.

[@jwally1434]

@@thegercast4794 nice bait, there's no way you genuinely believe that.

[@gwanael34]

How do these psychos even live with themselves ? They know exactly what they are doing and how to lie to people and make then angry.