Constructing The Ultimate Hunting Arrow

[@TimConnor13]

1. Lions lost, soul crushed.. still a great year 2. Which vane could you see better? 3. Weathers warming up shooting outdoors content soon ✊ now go shoot your bow

[@cjwomack]

Man I wanted it for them Lions too!

[@zachniverson8816]

Also it's hard to see the flight after about halfway because they disappear into the foliage. They both look good. I would go with the smaller ones in a color u like and can see the best.

[@CM-pc4xu]

Go Niners! It's interesting to me that you'd pick gamers given all the $ you spend on archery gear. I've got a 30.5 draw length, and I want as straight of an arrow as I can get since I can't cut much off. Used so many vanes over the years but I like the way the Groff X 3.0, and the Bronco vanes stick, fly, and are quiet.

[@dr.binjohnson7776]

Run the mini Sabres, I love them on my rvx 4 with the Rip's as well

[@Bowhunterlake]

They had that game in the bag smh I was rooting for them I am a diehard Eagles 🦅 fan

[@clow72]

Just want to tell you both you guys have not only helped me become a better archer but have helped me strive to get out and shoot more. big supporter off all 3 of your channels! Keep up the great work my favorite channels on KZbin.

[@TimConnor13]

That’s awesome my dude

[@anthonytucker1175]

Favorite guy to watch and I think it's your genuine curiosity with archery I can relate

[@TimConnor13]

my dude!

[@nitro1275]

Tim .. love the vids . I have a challenge for you. Its something I am really testing. Compare the cheaper arrows to mid and higher priced arrows. Build a cheaper hunting arrow from different brands and compare them to mid priced or more expensive hunting arrows. Where is the benefit of paying for more expensive arrows. Is there a real benefit????

[@iowaoutdooraddictionsdec]

White looked tight and u can see it real good on video

[@TimConnor13]

10 4

[@whitetailsup760]

I like the white could see better coming off ur bow better

[@trckn_151]

1. Was really hoping the lions took it, had them going all the way in my bracket. 2. The shorter white vanes looked like they flew better to me, visibly though the pink was easier to see. Great video as always. I have one more hunt here in about 3 weeks, javelina archery tag in AZ, then onto 3d season and possibly making some tweaks with my current arrow setup.

[@shanedavis6306]

It would be cool to see a start to finish tune process. Its almost overwhelming all ghe different methods. Keep up the good work fellas

[@justindoyle6039]

I'd try yellow vanes if looking for video visibility. Works great

[@landonzimmerman5431]

Been doing vane testing on steering an iron will wide (non vented). In a 3 fletch, the silent knight 3’’ crushed the DCA regular vanes. May be worth a try…

[@chengsterboi07]

I would like to see some sirius archey arrows build.

I like the small mass of the mini saber and the arrow flight with field tips on Black Eagle X-Impacts. I have some SK-2.5s in the way in phosphorescent green I’m stoked to try as well. I shoot the Iron Will single bevels, so I’m curious if either will steer well at range. Your arrow flight looked good, I couldn’t see parachuting towards the end of flight.

[@Rogers_Outdoor_Adventures]

Thanks for sharing , great video !!! I really want some of them vanes!!

[@laramie7364]

Glad to see you are still shooting Victory arrows. The best there is

[@TobyandLewisChalk]

Hi Tim really nice shooting, just wondering how the road to 300 is going.

[@markkobza8129]

Just curious did you go with the 250s because you got a 125 up front instead of a 100, even though you drop 20 grains from the insert have you tried a 300 arrow or will it not be stiff enough for 70 lb. Thanks keep up the good work man

[@TimConnor13]

No it’s because the difference in gpi is negligible, .1, and Mfjj always says if it’s close go to the stiffer spine

[@woodypaul_]

you had one really wonky white fletched shot, but the second one was perfect. I think the difference between the two in flight was negligible, but the difference in arrow drop is something to consider.

[@kevinosberg232]

I did an arrow clocking experiment in my basement the other day. Right out of the bow the bare-shaft arrow spun to the left (target was about 3 feet away). But then I tested a 3 deg right helical arrow and by 6 feet from the target the fletched arrow had already started spinning back to the right. Both were shot with field points, so certainly a broadhead could change that and cause it to take longer to stabilize. I would be interested in trying a left-helical more, but at least in that little experiment it didn't seem like it took long for the fletching to start spinning the arrow back to the right.

[@WendellAbigania]

Awesome upload as always. Josh’s 30grain inserts are built tough. The option to use the 15grain collars gives you the flexibility to use 100 or 125 grain broadheads and the use of lighted nocks, while still having arrows around the same weight +/- 5grains. Best insert system so far.

[@zachbrazeau3886]

They look nice but $188 canadian for 12 inserts shipped is insane

[@shelbyraines234]

Great content good luck on the road to 100,000 and 300 ,my dads favorite soda was peach nehi he would make an ice cream float before he finished drinking it,only had two a year, God bless and piece out

[@MikeJones-vb1me]

Keep up the good work, Tim!

[@TimConnor13]

Appreciate it!

[@marshallhaslett8717]

I switched from white to hot pink this year and I feel it’s a little easier to locate if you have a miss into grass. Not huge difference for seeing fly or on the target but I do like any help to recover if I miss.

[@tannershippy1604]

I love seeing how many subscribers you've gotten on your own

[@kylemoore5770]

Hi Tim! Long time listener, first time commenter! Your content and MFJJ’s is so helpful. I tried looking in the comments to see but it’s a long scroll. Am I tripping or where MFJJ’s hand movement’s the same explaining serving twist ? Thanks for the help !!

[@jakedublya15]

Once you've decided on fletchings, you should try some to the left and some to the right and see what groups better. To the right seemed to group better for me personally.

[@clow72]

I like the smaller vanes personally.I think this will be my setup for 2024. using 5mm Easton axis right now. If your reading this I know you said trying 4 vans might be cool maybe a video of 4 small vs 3 small???

[@michaelschnitzer4054]

I was going to start fletching left but I wound up with some single bevel and they only came in right bevel. Plus I have the right offset and helical arms for my Arizona ez fletch.

[@jonathan_guerrero]

Hey Tim, what is your draw length and what would you cut your arrows to if you were putting hit inserts in?

[@mikewhitney8888]

Love the 250 RIP TKOs for the reasons you mentioned - low gpi and very durable. I don't think i can outshoot my arrows either but i go with the gamers anyway. I don't cut mine at all. Looks like i use way too much glue on my vanes compared to you - something for me to think about with my next arrow biuld. Thanks for the video Tim.

[@504rcspeed4]

Awesome video dude! Definitely going to give them a go. Do you think you could put a video together for shorter draw length folks and arrow choice. I’m at 25”. Does a shorter draw and shorter arrows call for a different spine arrow set up or more/less FOC to compensate? Thanks again and keep the content coming!

[@Millertime96]

what vanes are best at not parachuting and rolling around mid flight with the mini max jig? it looked like those vanes kept the arrow pretty straight all the way out compared to past videos off arrow flight.

[@Rogers_Outdoor_Adventures]

I just ordered that fletching jig but I didn’t get the mini I didn’t realize when I ordered it I bought the original not mini . My question is will the bigger work with the small vanes?

[@coleasinas2570]

Have you shot the minis with broadheads yet?

[@the_sharp_carpenter]

The whites look crispy in the video to me, I've always run all whites tho so it might just be me seeing what I'm used to seeing. Keep up the good work 💪

[@BigwoodzOG]

How do you determine what length you cut arrows? So many opinions out there.

[@timbow50]

Love the slo mo flight video. I’d prefer the smaller vane but need to see some broadhead flight at like 50 or 60 yards for better feedback. Reasonable max hunting yardage? 👍👍

[@TimConnor13]

Thanks dude ✊

[@g-man2228]

Mini’s…Always been a Blazer shooter, but may have to give these a look! They need a dark blue though…😉😁👊🏻

[@ruebencaballero9511]

It’s all about the tip weight lol!

[@hack.hunter84]

How do you like your Core SS?? Still happy with it? im down to it or the Alpha x

[@TimConnor13]

Yeah still happy with it, plan to swap the strings.. already had some some stretch.. you should shoot the ethos too

[@bigz5262]

Paige Pearce two completely different arrows that clocked different directions out of the same bow so there’s more to it than just strings

[@davefisher5196]

Trying nitro vanes this year. Supposed to be stiffer so they don’t flap n make noise

[@Orr_s]

That super glue is the besttt ive found by far for fletching any vanes, yet i still had so much trouble getting tac vanes to stick, with their own primer pen. Maybe i do really NEED their glue but its literally the same ingredient super glue…also aligned my bitz jig perfectlyyy. Couldnt shoot a good offset/helical like i wanted to cuz they were such a biatchh to adhere well on clean VAP SS carbon

[@michaelmangino9819]

I love Carbon Express 340 arrows. BLu-rz and XR-z, and Reds. IMO best arrows, but I've heard there out of business . Strait Fletch blazers.

[@Bhilderbrand]

I clock my arrows as well.they clock left so i fletch left. But now if a arrow is already flethed say to the right wouldn't the vanes be forcing the arrow to rotate to the right from the get go?

[@TimConnor13]

I think there’s a small pause in the rotation, I’ve observed it before with some slow mo

[@Kjklump]

Assuming the hold was the same I think the small weight difference probably had less to do with it than the additional drag of the larger ones.

[@KurtMaier-r1q]

Can you confirm or discuss a little more about your arrow selection and specifications? Draw Length, arrow length, spine selection, etc.. Thanks! What is the reason for selecting the RIP TKO’s in 235 vs. 300?

[@fischerhobbs1732]

What peep sight do you shoot?

[@Calebott01]

Hey man what bow stand do you have mounted on?!?

[@briannealen6324]

Question about arrow tuning. When shooting it. How do you know the arrow is rotating counter clockwise a quarter turn, and not clockwise 3/4 of a turn without a slowmotion camera?

[@TimConnor13]

Step closer to the target

[@mikevillarreal8483]

Sorry about the Lions they played amazing this year. I habe a question have you looked at the Trifecta broadheads?

[@stick__shooter]

Are those Hoyt Go-Stix mounted on the rear stab mount holes?

[@douglasvaughn9530]

The RIP TKO Gamer is .003, they have a green label. The Sport is .006, which is what you have. Victory .006 shafts test better for staightness and spine than most other brands .003 shafts.

[@johnloughrey1636]

Do you use a drop down rest for both hunting and 3D? If not why?

[@Mike.O.89x]

Did you notice any odd inconsistencies on the fletching where it glues to the arrow?? I just built a very similar set of arrows and used the exact same things you used. Fletching jig, primer pen, glue, and fletch tite.. I noticed some of the fletching bases looked "rolled" under the base. Any odd things like that for you?

[@TimConnor13]

No sir - double check them when pressing on

[@Mike.O.89x]

@@TimConnor13 will do. Thanks.

[@justmeva]

I actually like the full-size pink ones, simply because I was able to track them better against the darker backdrop. Just as a side note I nock tune my arrows: have you tried that? I think that they perform better when I do that. Good luck and I will keep taps on your videos.

[@navajopride13]

What's yours and Josh thoughts on mold z glue?

[@chrisfavorin1107]

Ok so how much helical do you run on the mini's MFJJ??

[@TimConnor13]

He uses the same fletching jig I did

[@WendellAbigania]

Arizona EZ fletch mini max and I think it’s at 6 degrees.

[@jasonjje1]

Hey Tim and Josh, thank you. I have the same Mini Sabers and Reg size Sabers. I’m shooting 180 gr Valkyrie Jaggers on 4 mm VAPs. What size Broadhead and weight up front is Josh shooting up to where the Minis steer it just as good as the regular sabers?

[@davidpoolman2358]

slo mo is awesome

[@brentbandy3566]

Haha…So. I’ve always shot axis arrows and committed myself to trying something different this offseason. Last night, I finally nailed down what I wanted to try and I decided to try the RIP TKO gamers. Was still trying to figure out what I’m going to put up front but I think you just helped me decide 🤣 I also was going to run the max stealths but I’ve been interested in the DCA vanes. I’m a fixed BH guy so I might go with taller vanes. How sure is MFJJ that the originals DCA’s will steer a fixed BH well? Also,what’s the total weight on your arrow?

[@WendellAbigania]

Max Stealths are solid vanes. I compared both Max Stealths and DCA mini sabres. 60+ yards with a 10-15mph cross wind, with field points, and the DCAs grouped tighter and closer to center than the Max Stealths. Arrow weight were negligible with only about 5-6grain difference. I’ll try with fixed broadheads and see how they group but I believe it wont make much of a difference.

[@brentbandy3566]

@@WendellAbigania Awesome! So you think the mini’s will group just as well with the standard sabres with a fixed BH up front? I like the stealths but I feel that the AAE HP’s or a blazer style vane seems to steer broad heads better than the stealths (I know, people rip on the blazer but man, it’s a tried and true vane 🤷🏼‍♂️). How much? It’s negligible. But I like the stealths because they are significantly quieter than the HP’s or a blazer.

[@WendellAbigania]

@@brentbandy3566 I'm about to try them this week. However the biggest fixed blades I have are G5 Montecs and they fly like darts out of the package. I do have some Tooth of the Arrow solids but are only 1" wide. I'll report back when I test them.

[@TXBowhunter84]

I’m looking to build some RIP TKO’s and wanted to get your opinion, based off experience, on inserts. I’m looking at Podium Titanium 50gr or an Iron Will HIT and collar with a total of 50gr weight. Any pros/cons to either?

[@markst.martinii9635]

Love your videos Tim. I wish I could buy a new 12 pack of RIP TKOs every year. lol jealousy over here

[@francisortwein9846]

The difference in height is attributed To more than just the three grains of weight. The larger veins will also create more drag slowing the arrow down more causing it to hit lower in combination with the added weight

[@BlueWidow2010]

I think the DCA full size vanes rob trajectory. You should test different vanes at different yards to see if the vane drag robs trajectory. That way I will know if it was just me and not the vanes. My Bowtech CP28 clocked right. My son's Bowtech Realm SS clocked right and so did my Realm.

[@brianmackey9888]

Tim how do you like the RIP TKO sports? Do you find that they fly and group good at distance?

[@TimConnor13]

Yessir

[@darrind8697]

I notice you are not running the CBE 3 pin you reviewed . Didnt like it ??

[@mgrundy]

hoyt go stix 2.0 on the back of the riser. nice 👍

[@jedhuf7548]

How do you know the arrow turned 1/4 to the left and not 3/4 to the right??

[@stevehunt4660]

If you have any doubt take another step back reshoot and check.

[@nicolasmora5395]

Just wondering why you don’t believe you can outshoot the .006 straightness (even though we all know they are straighter than that) but make the argument for clocking? Which one do you think has more affect on accuracy?

[@sethpierrepont9738]

Clocking Arrows: if you reverse knock end, will the arrow clock in opposite direction? Do all arrows in a certain “matched” dozen clock in same direction? Do all arrows of a particular brand/type clock same?

[@jimwilkie6440]

Found it cool and realistic you choose the gamers. Should make a video comparing a set of elites vs gamers at various yards. Put them on a spinner so we can see the differences. Could a not as straight shaft make it difficult to tune with? Even if it’s not on a hooter it’d be interesting to see. Every time I buy a dozen uhm and ohhh on do I need the straightness.

[@Rikcey]

White seems better on cam, the pink seemed to disappear in the last 3rd of the flight.

[@sportbikeguy9875]

i was on the fence about checking my arrow clock... until i tried it, and my results were similar to yours, i had about a half turn in just a few feet, thats when i realized it probably matters more than most people realize.

[@longdrawarcher4857]

I’ve found out in my trials that a pink arrow wrap and yellow vanes are the best combo for seeing in flight.

[@ConnorTierney]

How to the Sabres compare to max stealth????

[@cadenismclovin]

Interesting how much a grain, on 3 fletchings effects flight right away. Would be interesting to see a speed test on a chrono with these two veins. 👍✌️

[@TimConnor13]

I think it was more the vane height creating drag

[@justingeorge8988]

@timconnor13 I’ve got the G5 squaring tool, but I’ve seen mfjj run it with the disc on the other end, the gap between the spinner supports are different. Curious if you have a preference on that, because I initially set it up just like you did.

[@Rogers_Outdoor_Adventures]

I wanna order some of those new vanes MFJJ has on his site but there sold out. I haven’t ever seen them anywhere else either . I assume it’s his brand I think. But I am wanting a set of tac/hunting arrows with them vanes and some outserts . Can I order the arrow with the outserts and everything.

[@austinhayes3901]

With the arrow clocking, that’s why I always shoot straight fletch, let it go whatever way it wants to go, and I’ve noticed no difference in helical, besides parachuting at longer range

[@nicfield6895]

I like the minis, and they are visible longer after the apex on this video.

[@RedLakeArchery]

Altera. Thats what I would run Tim.

[@sportbikeguy9875]

funny to watch this video, its nice to know ive got the same bow press, arrow squaring tool, and arrow saw as MFJJ's pro shop.... in my basement XD

[@olehemlock]

From watching Lancaster’s slow motion video arrows fletched opposite of the clocking stall and do not start rotation until it is out in front of the bow. If you are shooting a lizard tongue you might want fletch your arrows the opposite.

[@TruckManThings]

i really like these arrows, i think ima make me some of these bad bois. Wish i understood the spine numbers though

[@briansteele1378]

I like the white minis

[@codyboozer9737]

What is the name of those flechings I think I'm going to try those I like

[@shadyroids]

Wondering if you or mfjj have shot the mini Sabres with the iron will wide solid single bevels. If you have how did they do?

[@minncrew]

Awesome video! I've been striving to have my videos be more aesthetic because of you! Keep it up #Roadto100k

[@fosterkennedy4984]

Good day, I shoot an Elite Ritual 70# Draw weight and a 28.5 inch arrow. I am looking to incorporate the True Blue cross breed 100gr with a 85gr slick trick or Exodus. I am going to build new arrows and was looking at this video for some tips. I looked at the Victory AP arrow chart and wanted to know opinion on arrow spine for accuracy but for sure don't want to sacrifice safety. I have never shot anything over 125gr but want to try the 185gr idea. is there a need to "up-Spine" if you will? maybe a arrow build video on heavy broad head tuning, pros and cons? new to the channel maybe you have it already. Thanks and cant wait to get started.

[@fosterkennedy4984]

Midwest Whitetail hunter

[@michaelbushey2787]

I love the super sabres. I have the normal ones but i shoot a 246 arrow. They are really good. Mine are white!! lol

[@NinjaArcherDad]

Liking the content Tim!

[@Shawnbo812]

How do you like the hold of the bow at longer distance? Are you happy with the stability at longer distance? I’m a pink guy all the way.

[@patrickscheel3943]

Tim!! Could you get/test out the aerovane 2? I tried to get Iron Will Bill to test them and his response showed he never even looked into what they do in the slightest (heartbroken!). I'd be happy to send you a few

[@joeditz48]

Isnt 250 spine a little too much for your setup?

[@Boschy]

If your arrow spins to the left, it will limit your options on single bevel broadheads as most are for right spinning arrows

[@justinstarr9828]

@timconnor13 yall should do a sweet slo-mo to watch the reaction of a clocking left arrow with right helical, correcting itself.

[@cas4894]

I'd love to know your 3-4 week thoughts on the setup after ripping a few hundred meat missiles.

[@TimConnor13]

Noted

[@zachniverson8816]

I was going to upgrade my arrow selection to TKO this year until I seen and started looking into Altra arrows.... No spine more consistent. Levi Morgan is one of the best Archers in the world not only because of his knowledge and talent but also because he chooses the very best equipment. Not just because of him but from actually watching reading doing research that's what I'll be buying. I'm more worried about accuracy than extreme durability...

[@josephdipietro8367]

I am personally switching to the mini's, they are noticeable quieter than the 2.75 tac drivers and I was testing the full size. It sucks because I have a ton of tac vanes.

[@lukedurden7783]

White is definitely more visible to the target. You lose good sight of the pink around 50 - 60 yards

[@C.Adams82]

I dont want an arrow turning left, theres a chance of broadhead coming loose, and it does loosen. Ive tried field tips with rubber gaskets, using wax and it still loosens. I dont want to risk a broadhead coming loose,especially when it doesnt effect arrow flight if you do fletch the opposite of your arrrow clock. Also ive had arrows clock both directions out of the same bow ,same string.

[@WiscoBowHNTR]

Have you tried loctite?