Consulier GTP | Retro Review

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[@timkern9563]

I had a Consulier for over two years as my daily driver. Earlier, I helped with the concept and development. Warren was fanatically devoted to weight saving and the consequent benefits, and it showed. I ran some laps at Woody Creek (near Aspen, CO) and was more than a second under the existing IT-A record. And I was carrying a passenger! It was comfortable for its class; everything worked (thanks to the proven off-the-shelf bits), and it was cheap to run. Except for tires, but that was my fault. Never touched the engine, but I spent quite a while trying suspension settings, which (I believe) were ultimately incorporated into Bobby Rahal's school Consuliers at Charlotte. The unconventional styling? Well, let's say EVERYbody noticed it, including the drivers of the Lambos and Ferraris I met on the road.

[@TokyoDensetsu]

And who would have thought that all these years later, the sports car scene would be dominated by Consuliers?!

[@yupyup4209]

"The next Henry Ford, or the next Preston Tucker?" Oof.

[@oliviersavard8676]

At least we remember both of them lol

[@Skoda130]

And not the most valid comparison, for that matter. I mean, Ford built a "car for the people", not sportscars for the happy few.

[@MrDDawson]

we should all know the Mosler name if we real gear heads. What a video to share! love it.

[@bluegoose03]

Another car with a Mopar engine that was banned from competition for winning too many races. I've always found this car interesting.

[@tristanblock]

After puking in my mouth a little, I was flabbergasted by the incredible challenges they must have faced and conquered for them to achieve a 0-60 time in UNDER 6 SECONDS!!! A breathtaking example of modern (80s) engineering and design.Truly incredible.

[@dabusiness429]

Radio shack use to sell rc versions of these cars

[@ryanwild8614]

Wait really?

[@trevorthefilthyrat3742]

One of the most underrated American sports cars. I think it's awesome.

[@franklatin2411]

TREVOR THE FILTHY RAT not bad for the 80s only a handful of 80s cars look good

[@basshead.]

+Frank Latin A lot of sports cars from the 80s look good.

[@SonnyGTA]

TREVOR THE FILTHY RAT UNDERRATED?!!! Can you please go look up the definition of underrated??? Just because YOU never heard of it doesn’t make it underrated!! Go look up the definition and learn something. You are now quarantined from KZbin till June as punishment.

[@bop3752]

SonnyGTA ok

[@stevend3753]

I saw one of these on the road last week! I live near where they where originally made Riviera Beach.

[@toronado455]

wow talk about a coincidence!

[@stevend3753]

T455 Right?!? I haven’t seen one in years and years!

[@1985toyotacamry]

@@stevend3753 I live about 30 miles south of it I never seen one before.

[@TheBadTrad]

My brothers owned a warehouse right next door to this company in Riviera Beach in the 80’s and 90’s. I remember driving by this place and looking at the cars as we came and went. Brought back a lot of memories!

[@agenericaccount3935]

Note the magnificent dodge shadow door handles. I got to see one of these at a show called History Road. It had some typical turbododge upgrades, and showed very well. Glad some are still around.

[@V8AmericanMuscleCar]

Retro review, my favorite! It's not the most beautiful car ever but I'm sure it's a lot of fun to drive.

[@777jones]

V8AmericanMuscleCar yes, he spent more time doing the suspension than on the body. With more elegant headlights this would have looked better. The body looked nice. It’s tragic, with minor changes this car would look good. They say it drove well.

[@adrenos]

@@777jones pretty decent

[@777jones]

jacob mosler hey cool, you must be a family member. Warren seemed like a super impressive guy. The car was great too, I really admire it. I might change the lights if I had one today. Respect.

[@777jones]

jacob mosler hey cool, you must be a family member. Warren seems like a super impressive guy. The car was great too, I really admire it. He lived the dream.

[@timkern9563]

@@adrenos Yes, "decent" and a half. For its day, it was amazing; for its power, it was phenomenal. And it was, after all that, a viable daily driver. Your Dad brought it all together. I understand you're a pretty good driver, yourself. Have you driven one on a track?

[@NFS4LFE]

The American Lotus, but with an unfortunate styling dynamic. Still an awesome little car.

[@onefortheroad2291]

I remember these being reviewed in all the car magazines back in the day and some of Mosler’s later designs (even a Cadillac with two north star V8’s. One in the stock location, one in the trunk). About 10-12 years ago a few of these came up for sale straight out of the Mosler facility. I believe they were mostly used and a few unfinished never sold cars. A few were fitted with the TIII engine (2.2 Chrysler 16 valve engine making 224hp, lifted from the Spirit RT and Daytona IROC RT). The shame was I got out of the turbo Mopars for a few years when they came up for sale. Nearly all of these cars were purchased very reasonably but mostly to guys who weren’t actual “turbo dodge” guys. Sucked to see a piece of history go to the guys who bought one and then joined the forums with 2 posts to ask what kind of engine was in it and noob stuff. Oh well, missed the boat on that one

[@borginator1493]

This car was also on Bumper2Bumper on Donut Media channel. Cool & interesting car!

[@asdfghjqwertyu1858]

a e s t h e t i c

[@VARUNCOUTINHO]

This Video..... took me back to the 80s which is Great!

[@ziginox]

One of the things mentioned in the video is how compliant the car is on the road, despite handling well on the track. Adding lightness really does amazing things!

[@OrganicWheat]

This is the same car I've been seeing driving around here during summer!!

[@OrganicWheat]

Now I know what it is

[@ggj1987]

I like his idea of a lightweight sportscar but he should have hired a different designer, or a designer at all!

[@barrybend7189]

Factory 5 818: I have taken your cause and made it possible.

[@porsche911sbs]

It looks like how I drew sports cars when I was five

[@bullracing1]

This car looks like that 70's - 80's micro electric car

[@PLK123]

The design was functional

[@ggj1987]

@@PLK123 Form follows function, but there are limits

[@nosuchluck9477]

As soon as they mentioned Dodge Daytona, I started hearing massive tapping noises in my head!!

[@RadDadisRad]

The incredible start of Mosler

[@MrCarGuy]

I do wish Mosler became big. The cars were just well done.

[@kaileysweeney4240]

The Consulier later evolved into the quite lovely (and capable) Mosler MT900. An ugly duckling became a swan.

[@barrybend7189]

And factory 5 and other light weight kit cars made similar ideas to this car.

[@DawsonTyson]

I wonder if this car would do well as a "spec class" in SCCA...

[@dubdaze68]

Talk about a bucket list car for me.

[@SonnyGTA]

For some reason the quad square headlights make this look like a kit car. I think one long rectangular headlight on each side or a round headlight would be SO much better.

[@landyachtfan79]

Surprise Monday RR, or are you uploading them every day this week to take our minds off of the Coronavirus? Either way, I'm loving it!!!!!!!!

[@oliverdelgado6952]

These videos definitely help

[@Some_Person6]

Hey Landy, I think I might try to do that. Any requests??? I think you're one of our OG viewers if not the first

[@landyachtfan79]

Oh, I've got PLENTY, @@Some_Person6!!!!!!!! Sprint Plus & Cavalier Z24, 1986 Seville, 1986 DeVille Touring Coupe & Touring Sedan, I'd LOVE to see the Retro Goss segment on diagnostic machines from 1986, the OG (2WD Colt Vista, Retro High Roads on the Blue Top Drive in & delivering the Maxton Rollerskate to Florida. I'll definitely have more!!!!!

[@landyachtfan79]

LOVE being recognized as one of the OG's!!!!!!!!

[@joelara4637]

Strange but beautiful

[@lknanml]

Holy crap. I have not seen this one in years.

[@ZIGZAG12345]

Heh, one of the Mosler MT900's grandparents! At 2000lb with the engine in the middle, it probably was an excellent track car, too, 170bhp back in 1989 would have been plenty, hell the Elise was maybe a bit lighter but it had only 120bhp when it came out and was still "quick enough"....

[@tetherracer1]

Superb car, love everything about it.

[@FrankOlsonTwins]

I kinda love it...

[@seanhayes1965]

I remember seeing that thing driving around Riviera Beach and Lake Park Florida as a kid. I was just such a bizarre vehicle back in the 80's. Warren tried rebranding it so many times.

[@jamazonnewyork3221]

this thing is way ahead of its time

[@porscheguy09]

Tucker it is.

[@nosuchluck9477]

Damn! Beat me to it lol!!

[@bghoody5665]

Tucker cars were actually pretty good though, weren't they?

[@porscheguy09]

BG Hoody they definitely were. Way ahead of their time. One problem with the Consulier GTP besides the kit car looks I think was timing. The mid 1980’s wasn’t a good time to bring a car like this to market and it suffered.

[@HEYBERT1984]

Man quit letting Homer Simpson design cars with crayons

[@1madinjun]

I lived and worked in W Palm Bch a few miles away. I used to see one of these at a glass shop parking lot for years. The owner joked and said it was a Chrysler Lebaron motor in a go cart body. He said it never ran longer than a few months at a time.

[@silverpairaducks]

Mt900 next

[@Lennart.R.LK.Bonsai]

amazing street car

[@frenchtoast-d7u]

It looks so weird. Like a Group C prototype with messed up proportions and skinny wheels.

[@bradwooldidge6979]

God, that looks like a frikkin’ LEGO car!

[@RedLP5000S]

Mosler still makes outstanding race cars.

[@aaa84gt]

*made. They've closed the doors now.

[@adamtrombino106]

Styling aside, the technology and materials used to build these cars was cutting edge. We take them for granted today..Anybody else wondering if those were G body El Camino taillights? LOL

[@johnnyspiva9312]

I have one...its a wonderful car.

[@harshithsadhana7475]

Is it really fast being lightweight

[@HighSockDavid]

Your joking right?

[@johnnyspiva9312]

@@HighSockDavid No really, I have one. AND it's a wonderful car!

[@HighSockDavid]

Johnny Spiva nice i fell ya own a underrated classic car myself a ‘79 Trans Am 403

[@Soreal75]

Good job Mr.Tucker

[@jareknowak8712]

Street Legal Le Mans!

[@thedeadstig123]

did they ever do a full motorweek road test of one of their vehicles?

[@Some_Person6]

Sadly no

[@bong4538]

This car is so 80's

[@awacs87]

Allegedly there were V8 versions of this car. I'd love to see the performance numbers with that powerplant. Interesting car nonetheless

[@uuugsd]

This thing looks like Mr. Montgomery Burns reborn as a supercar. Excellent.

[@mattt198654321]

2:20 - that thing is stupidly flat in the curves. I bet it's fun to drive.

[@johnnyspiva9312]

Very fun to drive!! I have put about 30 thousand miles in mine.

[@TeamRogers7]

BEST TOTALLY SUPERCAR EVER!!! THANKS MOTORWEEK!!!!!

[@Skittleman2341]

This company eventually became Mosler Automotive and then when Warren Mosler wanted to get out of the auto industry, he sold the assets of his company to RP High Performance that produces the Rossion Q1 and other derivatives of the Q1. Just a bit of a quick history lesson for all those wondering where this company would be or at least, the vehicles.

[@lancetheb.m.c]

A Retro Review on a Non-Holiday Monday!!?!?!?!? Nice!!!!!!!!!!

[@faithinverity8523]

It made the competition look bad. Bravo!

[@bryduhbikeguy]

They should bring these back with the newest drivetrains.Bet they'd rock the car markets.

[@albarriault6147]

Would love to see one of these at a car show sometime

[@jacobfleming565]

Omg I didnt realize that's a Mosler basically

[@x1warrior1x85]

do you have a pontiac sunburst review? they’re a practically extinct canada only version of the isuzu gemini (geo spectrum, chevy spectrum) they’re incredibly rare and i’d love to get some info on it

[@myMotoring]

this is the NSX before the NSX. Lightweight, good handling, not overly powerfull, reliable & relatively cheap supercar

[@ericharrison619]

Elcamino/G- body wagon tail lights! Figured they would have used Chrysler lights.

[@DDM7406]

Quirky car. But I used to really dig it!

[@erichroberts1768]

so a proper fiero conversion.

[@Where_is_Waldo]

I wish I could have one of these

[@bobbylobby820]

this is my dream car... where can i get one?

[@ManuelFlores-uq3bh]

Thank you Doug Demuro

[@vetteluvnh]

Is this the same Warren Mosler who came up with "modern monetary theory?" (MMT)

[@adrenos]

yes

[@autolounge3171]

Retro review on a MONDAY?

[@stuartbear922]

Is this related to the Skycar?

[@catjudo1]

This was the kind of car for folks who enjoyed driving instead of being seen. It's telling of American priorities that Mosler went out of business with fewer than 100 cars made.

[@theKevronHarris]

Amazing sports kit car!

[@kevinbarry71]

That's funny; the narrator describes a Chrysler 2.2 turbo as reliable.

[@sikorik9964]

Is that the 2020 Vette?

[@midnightblue1874]

I'm maybe oddball , but i find this car beautifull...

[@805NAVE]

What the heck I just saw one of these at at Rancho Santa Fe cars and coffee in person and I hadn’t a clue what this thing was

[@tomwoehle3519]

Still a winner.

[@FlowmasterStang]

0-60 in under 6 seconds, really fast for its time

[@jareknowak8712]

YEEEEESSSSSS! ❤ 👍👍👍👍

[@MidnightMechanic]

Literally the same motor can be found in your Chrysler K car. Curious to see what a Mopar V8 would do.

[@1987glhs]

which K cars came with the 2.2 TII?

[@gulfstream7235]

I wonder where Porsche got the idea for the Taycan design...

[@douglasb.1203]

An easy car to live with on the road yet not so easy on the eyes.

[@Technik005]

Anyone else here after watching Doug’s review?

[@rickybobby8224]

He was before his time. Could have benefited greatly from later changes allowing limited production vehicles not meeting reqs..

[@Hless421]

"You know what, we just won't give a shit about styling."

[@joaogomez209]

It looks so homemade.

[@pauledgewater]

It would be cool to put a Hell Cat Hemi in that thing.

[@thrillhouse8787]

Looks like a sleepy spaniel. Must rip tho.

[@물고기소년]

this guy gets it

[@dennisutkan4965]

Doug Demuro just reviewed one in 2021.

[@DoubleTime53]

I know it's not a looker, but c'mon, the car isn't THAT ugly.

[@juliansaurus]

Here first after Doug's video lol

[@zarstar1576]

Kit Kat..kar.

[@apparentlyretrograde]

I haven't been this early to the comments since... Well, I've never been this early.

[@303nitzubishi4]

Wow talk about ground clearance. I can't imagine that thing was stable above 60-70mph. If it was truly around 2k lbs there would have been a scary amount of lift with all that air rushing underneath

[@adrenos]

very stable 150+

[@MarkMeadows90]

Donut Media did a review of this vehicle

[@LucasM206]

That's the complete opposite of a Karmann Ghia.

[@amiga5008]

1704hp? WHAT

[@thewiseowl3672]

All I have to say is interesting.