Mosler MT900 and Consulier GTP! Supercars Ahead of Their Time - The Downshift Ep. 58

[@EngineeringExplained]

What a sad story for such an inspirational man. He had all the right ideas, but couldn't fight the press of the big 3 it seems. Such a shame; Rossion is an awesome company though, so we'll see where this goes!

[@edymoss]

Engineering Explained hi

[@benren0825]

@@edymoss hi

[@Waltube.]

No where as of 2023 😞 definitely needs a revive

[@lz3390]

Mr. Mosler, you sir, are an inspiration to all car lovers, engineers, do-it-yourselfers, tinkerers, free-thinkers, and generally awesome people everywhere. Thank you for your contributions to the world.

[@ThatDudeinBlue]

Such a sad and inspiring story. I think this man should have been extremely more praised for his work.

[@surgecaliber]

Pick up one of his cars and talk about it We’re waiting on your video now

[@yung829]

​@@surgecaliberonly like 14 exist. It's gonna be super hard.

[@jaromor8808]

The MT900 was actually gorgeous.

[@marquis_ugly23]

it still is, compared to other cars today.

[@cldan9152]

What a beautiful design that was absolutely functional and outlawed from many racing series. Which is the sign of a beast!

[@Xogroroth666]

@@cldan9152 Too bad, few brands were killed through whatever reason. Think of the Wiegert Vector Aeromotive Corporation, founded in '71, having a W2 prototype in '73 that beat all other (super) cars into pulp through sheer power... If these cars had actually made it... our car industry would have looked quite different!

[@Xogroroth666]

@@marquis_ugly23 Modern cars are, save for a few models like Lambo Veneno or Cybertruck, mere copies of copies of copied copies that were copied from a copy. Rephrasing: all frakkin cars look alike, and folks for some reason love this monotony. Then again, humans are by far the stupidest smart parasites ever, look around for proof...

[@alphatrion100]

As ugly as the consulier was...

[@noah-kh3mc]

I sure wish i had the money to give this guy. He deserves so much more. ):

[@hassanshehata4349]

I know, I can't help but have sympathy for the guy. Still I guess he does serve as an inspiration for not giving up and striving to push through with his passion.

[@C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13]

Came here from Doug's channel to see an actual review... Got the actual story from the man himself. Respect

[@juanmadero7941]

To anyone feeling sorry for this man just know that he is one of the best performing hedge fund managers of all time. He's doing ok just unfortunate that he couldn't breakout in this dream of his.

[@iwantanaivanovic2962]

Provide links, pls.

[@JSUTI1995]

If this is indeed a fact I am very glad to know this.

[@shadowguyonline]

It's not about money it's about happiness he was happy making cars!

[@Kowalskithegreat]

this is a really sad video. almost made me cry thinking about what this dude went through. he had good ideas, and knew iit, but kept getting his dreams shit on over and over an over. and then they have to mention it being sold at the end... fuck, man. that's rough, hit the end of the line and it didnt catch off. i hope you're doing great in your retirement mr. mosler

[@markbuiltme]

Mosler is the Man! Brilliant and Passionate!

[@MotorTrendWatch]

That's so great to hear! Thanks for letting us know and for being a part of our fantastic audience!

[@sohaibzia2149]

The mt900 is one of the most Beautiful super cars i have seen

[@ayouthwellspent]

This is the most upsetting episode of Motor Trend I've ever watched.

[@paulfournier9579]

I'd give my right arm to just SIT IN an mt900... a true piece of beauty.... If money was no object, I'd write him a check immediately...

[@dopey_duck_944]

Mr Mosler is one of the great thinkers. Someone give him some money. The MT900 is also one of the best looking cars of this century.

[@nodo7575]

One of the best cars of ever.

[@yucannthahvitt]

He has the money. Guy is insanely wealthy

[@chrisstewart7539]

If the oil and major car conglomerate's weren't so corrupt and greedy on top of having way to much pull behind the scenes this car could have sold better than any other car. Ppl just blindly listen to the media and allow them to form their opinions instead of doing their due diligence and forming their own opinion to the detriment of themselves. That's why car companies can still sell cars that get the same gas mileage they did almost 100 years ago.

[@bunsenn5064]

This is the story of when an entrepreneur has the skill, the expertise, and everything needed to make a truly great car, except for a public image. Just lacking that image alone was what caused the cars to fail to sell. Warren made an amazing car and then another after that, but racing organizations kept banning them and the public refused to give them a chance. Despite this, he still made the MT900, a car that beat out almost anything else on the road.

[@cloudesque]

I'd love to write him that check. The MT900 is absolutely fantastic!

[@TheTornado4000]

Sir. Mosler, you are an absolute legend. First time I heard of the Mosler was the MT900 review by Tiff Needell I think for fifth gear. It was a yellow car and I instantly fell in love with it.

[@wingviewproductions]

What a shame the MT900 is beautiful. I found out about it through Forza Horizon 4. One of my favorite cars. So sick looking, and drives great!

[@jonathanodell8854]

You sir are truly a step above and way before your time I think all ur designs are gorgeous and the practicality factor alone should have sold them . It's a shame the inventors don't always get the credit they deserve but luckily with modern internet and these archived stories you get what you so well needed and that's RESPECT for your contribution to automotive history. My hats off to you sir!

[@zr1corvette270]

if I had bill gates money, I'd write him the check, then keep writing them to build me a car every other year..it would be like owning your own Leonardo da Vinci of car builders.

[@philsburydoboy]

Mosler is a billionaire already lol

[@BUSAKING10]

Best automotive interview I've seen in 20yrs...

[@flyingphoenix113]

This is whyI hate the car media! Let the cars speak for themselves. They will show if they are good or not. Too many people get caught up in the badge on the front of the car.

[@overtaxed79]

Another man put down and out for doing the right thing.

[@Seekerofknowledges]

The story of Mosler is one of the most heartbreaking and injuste in the history of automotive. This could’ve been America McLaren or Pagani easily.

[@luislongoria6621]

Just a friendly reminder that horsepower doesn't mean anything without the right transmission. Tall gearing usually means fuel economy and top speed while light weight is cornering and braking. Mosler took a thin, flexible composite body and filled it with foam to give it strength but OEMs don't want consumers to be able to make their own cars, so the existing supply chain won the day although Chrysler had already been manufacturing unit bodies with subframes for the infamous 69-70 Charger

[@luislongoria6621]

Going back to Warren quoting Carroll Shelby, Shelby made aluminum bodies so thin, you couldn't lean on the car without leaving a dent, so while light weight makes sense on paper, it just doesn't work for the general public

[@luislongoria6621]

Fast forward 20 years later, OEMs are using energy absorbing foam structures behind plastic bumpers and the only piece of metal that resembles a bumper is the radiator support. But as for making the entire body out of a structural foam sandwich? The Consulier GTP sounds more like a boat

[@WANDERER0070]

That MT 900 looks fantastic,,!!

[@ahmadalnadi4387]

You're the man I wish the main car industries would build cars the way you imagine

[@N0SK1LLS]

This story makes for a huge and really really sad statement. just proves to me how stupid and irrational the bulk of people are nowadays.

[@MotorTrendWatch]

Thanks! Hope you'll stay tuned!

[@live4eat]

Please keep your dreams on! The car maybe not perfect because he doesn't have sponsors. It's always will be better over times. And you American should be shameful for been a bunch of haters. I'm proud of this, because it's from America, made by Americans. He deserves more!

[@SoulPurposeGarage]

The Consulier, Raptor and MT900 will never be forgotten. You are a legend.

[@duperrec]

The MT900R was not able to earn points in the 2005 FIA GT Championship because the car wasn't homologated. It was later rejected for the 2006 season when competing with the MT900 GT3 for the same reason. He made it sound like it was banned because it was too fast, but that simply wasn't the case. I've always admired these cars.

[@Karynthian]

But why wasn't it homologated?

[@Renegade666]

@@Karynthian id imagine because they didnt have the money to build the required number of cars. its something like 200 or so I think

[@brentbartley6838]

The MT900 is my absolute favorite car to drive in the Forza Motorsports games. I was gutted when they stopped putting it in. Total dream car I'd love to have.

[@afilleduptaco]

Brent Bartley It’s back!

[@lemonpaper]

It's like he kept trying to one up himself for ugliness and then he made the beautiful MT900. I really respect the form following function though. These cars just do what they're designed to do.

[@fuckgoogle4704]

+Serban V.C. Enache the consulier gtp looks like an elephants ass. I mean really he had a clean slate to work with and he comes up with that abortion?

[@k17741]

Not just automotive genius. Also one of the world's top hedge fund managers and co-founder of a field of economics.

[@SoFLaZ06]

great episode, got chills

[@EJ25RUN]

Saw the Consulier GTP a few years back. It's not as bad looking in person but definitely smaller than i thought it was. The MT900 is a world beater in GT.

[@67Bigsby]

Thank you for this post...I resent the collective mindset...

[@adamstc8]

A man far ahead of his time. Fast, ugly cars are all the rage these days. Always thought the MT900 was really cool. Too bad they didn't have more money for further development and larger-scale production.

[@ClassicsExoticsSTL]

I know a guy that bought an MT900, I even took pics of it in my photo studio a few years back. The car is very impressive especially in person. I didn't know anything about Warren Mosler prior to seeing that MT900. He is a remarkable guy and obviously brilliant but he just couldn't realize the fact that appearance is highly important! Had his original car been at least reasonable to look at, his legacy would have been completely different. But, that's the way it goes. You can't force people to accept something, you have to understand what the market wants and deliver it.

[@agenericyoutubehandle]

Bring this style of content back

[@G00S3Y23]

Although amazingly successful sports cars what i find more intriguing would have been if composite cars like his van idea took off, think about it like say a honda civic type R all same running gear but a composite body like his van, even more performance and better mpg. sports cars getting 30 - 40mpg, hot hatches 40-50mpg and even "economy" cars would be faster than the likes of today's or more economical. Frustrating that genius like this has been confined to the likes of racing cars and high end supercars.

[@TheRiverPirate13]

I have seen the MT900 Photon and the Consulier GTP in person. The Photon is very exotic looking and just cool! The Consulier GTP is only car a mother could love but could but the smackdown on anything on the road a the time. I truly think if the Mosler Photon had been used in a movie when it came out it would have generated more buzz. Mosler, like Tucker was just too far ahead of his time.

[@slappywhite2669]

The 2020 Corvette brought me here. I've been singing it's praises for months now. Then, I recalled this.. The 2020 Corvette. Warren Mosler be like... "Hold my beer, I can run this hedge fund in my sleep"

[@mikekerr6747]

MT900 was the ultimate performance vehicle for sure

[@300pzl]

The mt900 destroys forza 3 lap times.

[@CrisKnipp]

In late 1990 I had the distinct pleasure of driving both the street and racecar versions of the Consulier. I drove the street version from the airport to Sebring FL. and drove the racecar version during a driving school at the track. It's a weekend experience I will remember always. I also think Warren Mosler is a genius like Steve Jobs.

[@Racerx917]

ok so a really late reply to this post but maybe Chris will see it. Chris did you live in Indy at the time? If so I had the pleasure of working with you at Skip Barber. and yes those are great cars.

[@ElKiwiProductions]

I love videos like these from you guys down at MotorTrend!!!! Touches the heart, and makes my day! Keep it up!

[@chrisgrimm1028]

I'm so sad to hear Mosler got sold. Those cars were WAY ahead of their time in their use of composite construction, and in a lot of ways still are. Warren, I applaud you for following your passion. You are an inspiration and I'm happy that you made these cars.

[@JStorm310]

This individual pursued his dream of making his type of vehicle to the very end. Unfortunately, his dream wasn't realized by others in the way he would have liked. This is a MAN who can reflect upon his life with pride! More often than not, people live in fear of the uncertain of what could or couldn't happen if they were to take a chance and fight for their dreams. I don't "favorite" or even "like" many videos on KZbin, but I had to this time; this one resonated within me. Truly inspiring!

[@belialc.jackson3090]

Wow. This is one of the best episodes I've seen so far. Well, that and the motorcyclist traveling around the works on his bmw... ...keep up the awesome work!

[@mattharvey78]

This is the best story Motor Trend has done. I watched it yesterday and I'm still thinking about it.

[@DaveBegotka]

I worked for Warren in the late 90's and early 00's......great guy with great ideas plagued with parasites internal and external

[@jeremyfeidler4671]

I've always been a fan of the MT900. It's outta this world.

[@mynamesdavee]

Hands down the best MotorTrend video to date. You can feel the passion and emotion out of this video.

[@Maxximtl]

Another home run from MT. I remember these cars from my childhood, so it was wonderful to hear the story behind their conception and development. Keep up the good work guys!

[@TheFilthyGoTDirt]

Thanks for throwing some exposure at the Consulier & Mosler. I was fascinated by it as a child, and bought far more kit car magazines than mainstream after automotive society pushed them so quickly under the rug. But the Super7 formula wasn't rocket science.

[@pyaeta_]

even the video quality was ahead of its time

[@mthebex]

Great man, great cars, great story. Thanks MT for doing this piece!

[@IrishmenV8]

Excellent episode, I really like these segments where these guys talk about the past and what they strived for, and how they saw the car for what they thought it should be like.

[@280zx2by2]

This is the most ahead of his time gentleman I’ve ever heard of. What a shame people didn’t listen.

[@1980flextrainer]

Guy truly is a genius. Heartbreaking to say the least. I have a feeling we will be seeing from him again, at least I can hope. People like this don't usually just go away.

[@MotorTrendWatch]

Glad to hear it; so do we!

[@munchman3]

Been loving these MT videos, I've been feeling the passion for cars and that's what I love to see. I wish I had money to write this man a check

[@RoflOnMyWaffle.]

Awesome guy. All the car guy videos you guys make have been so nice to relax and watch. Feel like I'm talking to the guy. Fantastic man, such a crime that he stopped. Now we just need more people to adopt his philosophies on cars but with say BMW/Audi budgets

[@Jon38]

I salute you Mr. Mosler. You stuck by your ideals, you did what you felt was the future for cars. And turned out to be right, anything that calls itself a supercar today has to have a composite structure. Thank you for your perseverance and I wish you luck in your future endeavors. P.S. If I could afford an MT900, I would love to have one.

[@pratherat]

Back in the early nineties you held a contest to design a more attractive supercar. Me, being a wannabe car designer, submitted a design and it was passed over.

[@Waltube.]

One of the reasons why we don't see cars with great innovative design is because of regulations, this car was built different from the norm, it was banned from racies because in modern racing cars must be built similar to be considered competitive in any rank

[@Kav3h]

Great idea, to bad it never caught on. I remember the first versions from the 80's and that van looks wild. The super short van looks interesting.

[@rmckz8]

The like button does not fully represent just how much I enjoyed this video and the man and ideas it featured!

[@emmanualstanley373]

This breaks my heart that people didn't realize something so cool that was right in their face I would have wrote that huge check if I had the money

[@1_Analog_9]

I don't understand how anyone could thumbs down this video... Great job MT. I loved it.

[@eurtostance]

what is realistically something to dislike about this video, I never get why people have to dislike such a great video..

[@halo1234dog]

This has to be one of my favorite videos I've seen so far on this channel. I hope someone writes this guy a huge check

[@PersonaGrip]

For years, I drove the Consuliers at Mid-OH, the Glen, MIS, and all the other tracks on the Bobby Rahal TrackTime Driving School schedule. Then one day, Bobby took me for a ride in the white one at Mid-OH. Only one difference: he didn't lift going into 1...wow...LOVED those cars. We used to say they looked the best when seated behind the steering wheel.

[@RedLP5000S]

Amazing story. And an example of how pathetic the sanctioning bodies are. They see a car that the corporate establishment can't possibly match, so they ban it from ever possibly competing. I have full respect for Mr. Mosler, and I adore his cars. All of them.

[@Disrupptive]

This man was way ahead of his time. Shame the media outlets shut down such an innovative individual.

[@dustinak]

Awesome. Love it. Thank you so much for this interview.

[@BulletmotorsportsInc]

We have two of these gorgeous Consuliers ! Time for a Test Drive video to show what these bad boys can do!

[@ayushshukla2607]

One day he will be remembered as enzo f and so on.. love his work.... plz never stop

[@boostaddict_]

This guy is one of my idols now. I had the idea earlier today to build something really light and put a VW ABA into it. Funny story, he had a Rabbit? I have a MK3 Golf. Maybe this could be me someday. I'm planning to go to school for automotive product design, that'll give me the skills. I'm going to build a really light sports car someday. VW/Audi based drivetrain because I know them well. I'm excited now.

[@TheBucketOfTruth]

I was lucky enough to sit in one of these at the LA Auto Show one year and was pretty impressed. They also were genuinely nice over there in their little display and had none of the snobby attitude of the Ferrari section (back when they actually bothered to show up). You'll recognize the gear lever in a lot of MT900 cars from the 996 era Porsche 911.

[@MisterBrauer]

I remember seeing Richard Hammond from TopGear hit into the side of a Mosler when they were going a 24hr race; Richard Hammond was absolutely shattered that he hit such an amazing, beautiful and might add expensive race car. You can probably guess that the Mosler was right on the tail of the number 1 car. Very underrated race car.

[@p4lessp124]

Also, the car is mega sick looking! I would daily drive this for life!

[@TheOxyMorin]

Flawless episode, one of your greatest MotorTrend. Excellent work!

[@Ol4me]

What a man! Such an inspiration.

[@andyb0x]

This is an excellent video, really tugs at your emotions and makes you hope that he has more success selling his cars in the future

[@Poonard]

Get this video to all the major car manufacturers social media sites, make some noise for this man!

[@BlitzMekanika]

The “V” windshield🤩😍. SR-71 Blackbird windshield, on a car. How could you not buy one.

[@lordzevallos]

This man deserves another shot at building cars! But I feel like maybe Rossion could do what he could not. Maybe they can market the car better. They've clearly done a great job with the Q1. Hopefully the MT900 will be improved and be a commercial success.

[@Stoneheadification]

the internet has to do something about this, get this guy more attention!

[@securityquip3170]

Tommy Morrison, legendary Corvette racer, had partnered with this guy somehow and was building Moslers one at a time in his shop in Albany, GA. The green one I saw had the Z06 motor making 435ish hp. Maybe that was the Photon.. I met Tommy and got to check out his shop one day back in '02-'03.

[@thinkingman07]

Those are awesome cars. I never heard of them until now. I would buy one too. It is a pity...we are told if you build a better, faster, safer product you will be a success, this is evidence that it does not always work out that way. Reminds me of the Tucker story. Great video!

[@joecurmaci5880]

truly remarkable and what happened what a shame do we truly have a fair market it's a sad story

[@wubbybutt]

This guy had a passion to set out and build amazing cars. He was innovative and creative. It's a shame that things didn't work out. If I had lots of money, I would definitely write him a giant check because he definitely deserves it.

[@PratikParija]

Wow inspiring story. I have a newfound respect for Mosler.

[@coldblue32E]

Amazing pioneer way ahead of anyone else as far as taking the composites performance potential to the extremes

[@andrew30540]

Great video! Don't stop making cars Mr. Mosler!!!

[@eoghanhennessy15]

amazing! TRULY AMAZING! It just shows you that passionate individuals can change the world but they need backing up by corporations to really flourish - Auto manufacturers should cradle these visionaries and make revolutionary cars