Continuing The Tri-ang X 410 Armature Re-Winding Project, Getting The Armature Ready For Testing

#modeltrains #vintage #rewind
After last time the armature is now fully rewound. Soldering the new windings to the commutator was a challenge but the unit is now ready for rebuild and testing in the motor bogie chassis. Let's see if I can get the worms on the armature, sort out the bearings and install it into the bogie unit and test it to see if or how it runs. Thanks for watching

[@monham5041]

Wow. Well done. Rewired and running! What patience you must have. Great result. Mon from Monsville Railways

[@MrSnooze]

Thanks Mon, It took a bit of time but worth it just to get the experience of rewinding. Test running soon too. Best regards to you

[@oscarpaisley]

Good morning Mr Snooze, very neat, windings, looks and sounds to be running nice and strong. Looking forward to seeing Bogie reassembled running on the rails. Oscar

[@MrSnooze]

Thanks Oscar, I'm looking forward to test running this, It will be interesting to see the results. Best regards to you

[@TheDaf95xf]

Good evening Mr snooze 😴 That was one of the best videos on fixing a model train motor 👍🏻

[@MrSnooze]

Thanks for the kind comment on this, It was fun trying out the rewinding. Testing should be interesting as well. Best regards to you

[@timsmith8189]

Mr Snooze Fantastic Job. Didn't It Run Sweet. The Winding Machine Is Brilliant. This Has To Be The Best Snooze Challenge Yet. ( Loved The Clocks Ticking In The Background) 😁 Your Workmanship Is Outstanding It Made The Other One Look Silly By Comparison. The Locomotive Needs A Fanfare Of Trumpets When It Leaves The Station Next Week 😂

[@MrSnooze]

Thanks for the great comments Tim, I am looking forward to seeing how it goes on the layout. All the best to you

[@richardsouthey430]

Great video, the motor sounds so strong, looking forward to the next video. Richard

[@MrSnooze]

It is running well. Layout tests next. All the best to you

[@PaulinesPastimes]

It's alive! A really interesting achievement, congratulations. I don't think I have ever seen a Tri-ang motor look so clean and tidy. I will be interested to see the current draw once you get it on the track. The 3D printed winding machine looks intriguing as well. I'd love to see how it works. 👍✔

[@MrSnooze]

Hello Pauline, I shall keep on with the winding machine but now I'm looking forward to testing this motor bogie. Best regards to you

[@hotdogpilot6319]

Great conclusion, really enjoyed that, many thanks...Andy.

[@MrSnooze]

Hello Andy, I'm glad you enjoyed this, I'm looking forward to running it now. Best regards to you

[@tudrow6087]

Where there is a will there's a way . Great job on that .

[@MrSnooze]

Thanks, It might be a while before I do another. Take care, all the best to you

[@tudrow6087]

@@MrSnooze Same to ya.Take care.

[@pfsmodellingprojects]

Fabulous outcome and it's running like a peach..

[@MrSnooze]

I'm very happy with this, it's varnished and ready for testing now. Best regards to you

[@downthegaragelayout.7465]

Wow congratulations great job 👍👍 running like a dream 👏

[@MrSnooze]

Thanks, I hope it runs well on the layout. All the best to you

[@mikehebdentrains]

Excellent work Mr Snooze! There's another thing you might want to look at - the plastic 'spider' commonly develops a slight fault on one of the brush mounting holes - the one without the copper strip through the hole often wears (melts?) the plastic and the hole ends up squarer than it should be. This has the effect of the brush not aligning with the correct point on the commutator, leading to running issues. I saw a solution by re-packing the hole to bring it down to correct size, on another channel, but can't remember where, possibly a 'Chambs123' repair ! The original video was for a motor that used the plastic bushes between worm and coil as bearings for the armature, so maybe not an issue where the armature is supported by end bearings. Your work so far seems promises to run very nicely anyway! Cheers. Mike

[@MrSnooze]

Hello Mike, I've seen melted housings but this one is ok which is good. I too have seen excellent repairs to these but cant remember who did it. Take care, all the best to you

[@glennwoods2462]

Awesome skills... your 3D winder looks the job... From my electrician background, star and delta windings are for 3 phase AC supply... I would be interested to learn if the 3 windings on this armature are as well... I am very impressed with how you got such a great outcome...👍👍

[@MrSnooze]

Thanks for watching, some Hornby Dublo and Wrenn armatures have one connection to the commutator and the other ends of the coils are connected to a common at the back of the armature. I'll have to try one of these as some point. Take care, all the best to you

[@shedhead00]

It's alive, sounds quite and a lot more powerful ,an amazing piece of work,

[@MrSnooze]

There seems to be power there Bob, testing soon. all the best to you

[@petervance318]

Thank you Mr Snooze, a fascinating series of videos and really looking forward to the test trials on the Super 4 layout.

[@MrSnooze]

Trial run coming up soon Peter, It should be fun. All the best to you

[@trainsontuesday]

Beautiful result Mr. Snooze, I look forward to the test running next week.

[@MrSnooze]

Thank you David, I'm very pleased how it turned out. Testing should be fun. Best regards to you

[@RobA500]

Superb work Mr Snooze, that’s running great and a very neat winding job.

[@MrSnooze]

Thanks, It's all going together now so hopefully will be running soon. All the best to you

[@OOElectronics]

Great result. Out of interest, did you check the unwound resistance of the wires before winding this time? The commutator resistance reading of circa 10R is what would be expected on a 3 pole motor with coil resistances of around 15 ohms so, on that basis, it's looking good. Looking forward to seeing it running on the super 4. Tom

[@MrSnooze]

I will definitely do a test on 8 metres of wire, The motor is smooth and running nicely now and the windings are varnished so it's nearly time for a test run. All the best to you

[@OOElectronics]

@@MrSnooze Good to hear, great job! Look forward to learning the resistance measurement.

[@jimmanyk]

How will you be balance the armature?👍👍

[@MrSnooze]

I've been testing it and I don't think it needs balancing, it's really smooth so lets see how it performs on the railway. Best regards to you

[@hszentmiklossy]

Hello wondering where you connected each end of the wire!

[@MrSnooze]

Thanks for watching. Once the winding was finished I tested to coils and then soldered the wires to the copper commutator. Take care, all the best to you

[@hszentmiklossy]

Hi I did the same as well. Although the motor is only doing 1-2 rotations then coming to a halt. It makes sounds that it’s still trying to rotate. Any idea what this could be? Things to note would be: -made sure current was going through each pole by testing the resistance of the wire. -Made sure resistance of each pole was the same and also each pole has exactly the same amount of turns -Tested the commutator to make sure it was functioning correctly with a multimeter -Tested the two initial test points for shorts -Tested brushed for shorts Unwound wire and rewound new wire Coated armature with multiple layers to ensure no shorts would occur If you have any insights it would be appreciated greatly. Thank you!

[@MrSnooze]

I'm sorry to hear you are having problems. I had a few issues the first time or two. I guess all you can do is try again. Good luck. Best regards to you

[@djflipside100]

Hi I wonder if you can advise me as to what may be my issue. I've just completed my first rewind of the similar motor in a triang class 37 I've used a 0.125mm winding wire. The armature took 250 winds. The motor was installed and ran well on the test track however when my friend tested it on his simple hornby oval operated with the hornby basic controller it ran well initially but then started to slow down untill it eventually ground to a halt and wouldn't move. He said there was an electrical smell I put this down to the windings heating up and burning off residual dirt or oil etc. But I have no idea why it would. please help I'm absolutely stumped on this one. 🙏

[@djflipside100]

I forgot to add there is no capacitor or suppressor fitted it was like this when I got it.

[@MrSnooze]

Congratulations on your first rewind. It does sound like something has happened unfortunately. I would check the commutator first just in case some contamination has got on the brushes. Then take some resistance readings and check there is no short to the laminations. If still no good I wood unsolder the windings and check the resistance of each winding. I hope it's a simple fix but if there is a winding fault have another go. Don't be put off, It's fun mending these items. Take care, all the best to you

[@djflipside100]

I measured across each segment on the commutator I'm getting 7.5 on two and 7.4 on one so I'd say it's fairly close all over. I've had it running again this time the chasis has gotten really hot before the motor stopped and the brush carbon came detached from the brass arm. So I'm at a loss. Why is it getting so hot I guess is the starting point. 🤷‍♂️ Helllpppp. ☺

[@MrSnooze]

@@djflipside100 can you measure how much current it is drawing with an ammeter when it's running? It should be drawing no more than 300 milliamps. Have you remagnetised it after disassembly? Low magnet strength can cause these symptoms

[@djflipside100]

I haven't, I was just going to do that when it gave up 😂 I'll get it back together again then try. I haven't done anything with the magnet I don't have a remagnetiser.