Continuity & Change from Bhaktisiddhanta ST to Prabhupada, The Monk's Podcast 161 with Bhakti Vikas

[@ameyakatrekar8802]

Amazing discussion between two stalwarts of our movement ! Very heavy, but informative !

[@jigggro]

CC Das has a lot of vivek whilst speaking to the Swami. I am not an iskconite but this is an important discussion for all sampradays.

[@joshismita7103]

Hari Bol!!! pls continue with the series.. there is so much to learn and so much to do in this world...

[@bhavasindhu]

+1

[@vaibhavsheta8165]

@5:00 ....99.99 already in SP's Books

[@SaurabhGupta-ro8vq]

If the rivers flow between the banks, then only it is worshipable.

[@AnjaneyaAcademy]

Hare Krishna PR dp

[@shashi7303]

I want to comment on the context of Dr.Ambedkar’s reference and Varnahsrama. Surely, Dr. Amebdkar tried really hard to reform Hinduisum and even accepted Varna as inoffensive, but people were really not willing for that change, as Caste and Varna have become practically inseparable. In theory there are distinguished but in practise they are one and the same. For varna to live in it’s true nature, caste has to die. I am not sure how ISKCON or any movement can revive and reinstate Varna in it’s true nature. Or do they mean something else when they speak about establishing Varnashrama. This could be really interesting subject for further discussion.

[@SJ-xg3rv]

Respectfully, but ironically, the women Maharaja referenced in the old Australian interview were sweet, young devotee women who believed in being submissive to their husbands. My mother was among those young Australian Prabhupada disciples of the time. Despite their submissiveness they were treated badly in their marriages, and none of those marriages lasted, often because the husbands left them.

[@vasudevpranadas]

Immaturity & fanatic application was there among many... since then people & leaders have trained families to live a balanced & happy life... my own life is an example how I am able to live a happy marriage life ONLY because of training I got by Radhanath Swami mhj

[@prosantaguha7502]

I have heard another discussion with CC prabhu it was so clear, but this discussion was more confusing then clearing, sorry to say that.

[@chetkaraditya2119]

The muni who preached atheism to yudhisthira maharaja in Mahabharata was Carvaka

[@jigggro]

Guru vachan is going to be difficult for iskcon given individual gurus will have different interpretations of Prabhupadas teaching. Some organisations currently seem to be fairing better, given a similar sized movement, BAPS Swaminarayan, has only one guru from Pramukh Swami to their current Mahant Swami. For everybody, time will tell.

[@rajatjain7365]

This is spiritentertainment

[@vrajadasi1969]

Why not to establishing sati ritual?

[@vrajadasi1969]

Who decorated so beautiful Maharajas cave? 🙂

[@sundar6279]

You are so offensive

[@sundar6279]

It was not established, ever , it was natural act on part of the widow, who would rather die , than live in seperation from her beloved husband. This class of women is beyond you to comprehend , who would divorce there husband over trivial issues

[@abhikrsnaharsh]

@@sundar6279 right

[@p007t]

How will initiated prostitutes understand chastity?

[@vrajadasi1969]

I prefer to listen about varnashrama from people who born in varnasrama culture and live this culture fwe generations.

[@MonkAtHome]

Birth right prejudice?

[@MonkAtHome]

"Experience is gathered by hearing and seeing. One who is less intelligent gathers experience by seeing, and one who is more intelligent gathers experience by hearing... ...an intelligent person hears from the lawbooks and śāstras, or scriptures..." NOI Verse 1

[@vrajadasi1969]

@@MonkAtHome kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4jMnJ1moJiaaac This is true varnasrama

[@vrajadasi1969]

@@MonkAtHome Not imaginary by western fanatic.

[@vrajadasi1969]

@@MonkAtHome not when it spiking about cultural generations realisation. By Maharajas statment he shoud be naked or in deer skin and live under the tree no more then two nights.🙂🙏

[@vrajadasi1969]

A very productive attempt by the authority to shove the paste back into the tube .. Eating popcorn.

[@samspade2657]

👎

[@vrajadasi1969]

Why not talk about the chauvinism that pervades ISKCON? And which is one of the main reasons for its destruction?

[@MonkAtHome]

Your comments are so divorced from the subject being discussed here between two sadhus. Rants, innuendoes, red herring and name-calling -- typical of cultural marxists are on display by your disrespectful use of freedom-of-speech. Please maintain Vaishnava decorum. Raise genuine questions and refrain from spamming with aspersions. May good sense prevail. All glories to His Divine Grace Śrila Prabhupāda! Hare Kṛṣṇa. Dāsānudāso’smi

[@elizabathan]

What are you talking about? The subject of this discussion is way beyond your prejudice ...Grow up !

[@p007t]

Why not talk about the issue of women in ISKCON not wanting to act according to their dharma as prescribed in sastras?

[@ranjeet436]

Lord Chaitanya is impressed by our humility. Your way of putting question doesn't seem to be in accordance our Acharyas suggest. Questions to vaishnavas have to asked in humble manner with service attitude. If you couldn't grasp that mood, then you are bringing disgrace to your spiritual master.

[@billmorehouse2324]

Who will Continue the Paramparā? Back To Prabhupada, Issue 68, Vol 1, 2021, Interactive "The parampara cannot stop at Prabhupada like IRM believes. Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaja was as perfect as we can be in this world but with him, we had 64 japa rounds a day and no women in the temples nor any direct initiation for them, to my knowledge anyway. Impossible under these conditions to spread Krsna Consciousness in the world. Prabhupada changed all that. He did not betray his guru or "took his place". As far as I know, Bhaktisiddhanta is always in the parampara like the others. They were not ejected! And the parampara must continue otherwise we will have girls who will not even read and write if we follow the program of Prabhupada on this point. Unacceptable! So a new acarya will continue because only he can do that and he will not betray Prabhupada any more than he himself betrayed Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaja even if he changed some things. Is it so hard to understand that?!!!???" - Prahlada Nrsimha Dasa, Terrasson, France Editor replies: 1) It is Śrīla Prabhupāda, not the IRM, who has stated that he is the Ācārya of ISKCON. This fact is not disputed even by the GBC! Śrīla Prabhupāda stated that he alone will be the Founder and Ācārya for ISKCON: "our system is to keep the name of the Founder-Ācārya His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda on all registration documents, as well as all stationery, books, and publications." (Śrīla Prabhupāda Letter, 13/11/74) His position as the "Founder-Ācārya" designates that he is both the Founder and Ācārya of ISKCON: "I am registered immigrant as Founder and Acharya of the International Society for Kṛṣṇa Consciousness, Incorporated." (A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami, Māyāpur-Vṛndāvana Trust Fund Agreement, MVTF Agreement, 7/71) 2) Hence, there is no question that a "new Acarya will continue" in ISKCON, since Śrīla Prabhupāda has ordered that he alone will occupy this position. 3) Nor does the IRM claim that Śrīla Prabhupāda remaining as the Ācārya of ISKCON will "stop" the "Paramparā". Rather, the Paramparā continues with Śrīla Prabhupāda as the current link in the Paramparā for all those who join ISKCON. 4) Nor does the IRM claim that Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta was "ejected" from the Paramparā.  5) It is also completely false to claim that we will have "girls who will not even read and write if we follow the program of Prabhupada on this point". Śrīla Prabhupāda wanted girls to learn to read and write, the same as boys: "All the children should learn to read and write very nicely, and a little mathematics, so that they will be able to read our books. [...] There is no question of academic education for either boys or girls - simply a little mathematics and being able to read and write well, that's all, no universities. [...] Alongside the regular classes in reading and writing, the other routine programs they should also participate in, like arati, kirtana, preaching, Sankirtana, like that." (Śrīla Prabhupāda Letter, 16/2/72, emphases added as are all emphases in Interactive) 6) So Śrīla Prabhupāda did not authorise a new Acarya for ISKCON, nor did he stop the Paramparā, nor did he forbid girls to read and write. Is it so hard to understand that?!!!? Return to "Paramparā/Succession" Index www.iskconirm.com/docs/webpages/succession-index.html Return to IRM Homepage Please chant: Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare, Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare. And be Happy!

[@madhavsinghsodhi1614]

Seriously u clowns don't understand anything and give Stupid Grammatical Interpretation. Srila Prabhupad never made any Statement that there will be no Future Acharyas, on the Contrary he wanted his disciples to become Future Acharyas, Spiritual Masters. Founder Acharya means he is the Acharya in ISKCON and he is the FOUNDER, that doesn't restrict the chain of Continuation. "I shall choose some guru. I shall say, "Now you become ācārya. You become authorized." I am waiting for that. You become all ācārya. I retire completely. But the training must be complete." Room Conversation April 22, 1977 "This science is understood by the paramparā disciplic succession. So as we have understood by the paramparā system from my Guru Mahārāja, so any of my students who will understand, he will keep it running on. This is the process. It is not a new thing. It is the old thing. Simply we have to distribute it properly, as we have heard from our predecessor ācārya." Lecture on BG 18.67 -- Ahmedabad, December 10, 1972 " Every student is expected to become Acarya. Acarya means one knows the scriptural injunctions and follows them practically in life, and teaches them to his disciples. I have given you sannyasa with the great hope that in my absence you will preach the cult thruout the world and thus become recognized by Krishna as the most sincere servant of the Lord. So I'm very pleased that you have not deviated from the principles I have taught, and thus with power of attorney go on preaching Krishna consciousness, that will make me very happy as it is confirmed in the Guru vastakam yasya prasadat bhagavata prasadah just by satisfying your Spiritual Master who is accepted as the bona fide representative of the Lord you satisfy Krishna immediately without any doubt. Keep trained up very rigidly and then you are bona fide Guru, and you can accept disciples on the same principle. But as a matter of etiquette it is the custom that during the lifetime of your Spiritual master you bring the prospective disciples to him, and in his absence or disappearance you can accept disciples without any limitation. This is the law of disciplic succession. I want to see my disciples become bona fide Spiritual Master and spread Krishna consciousness very widely, that will make me and Krishna very happy." Letter to Tusta Krishna - 2nd December, 1975 "Prabhupāda: So there will be no scarcity of ācārya, and people will understand Kṛṣṇa consciousness very easily. So make that organization. Don't be falsely puffed up. Follow the ācārya's instruction and try to make yourself perfect, mature. Then it will be very easy to fight out māyā. Yes. Ācāryas, they declare war against māyā's activities" Lecture on CC Adi-lila 1.13 -- Mayapur, April 6, 1975 "First of all follow the orders of ācārya, and you become mature. Then it is better to become ācārya. Because we are interested in preparing ācārya, but the etiquette is, at least for the period the guru is present, one should not become ācārya. Even if he is complete he should not, because the etiquette is, if somebody comes for becoming initiated, it is the duty of such person to bring that prospective candidate to his ācārya. Not that "Now people are coming to me, so I can become ācārya." That is avamanya. Nāvamanyeta karhicit. Don't transgress this etiquette." cture on CC Adi-lila 1.13 -- Mayapur, April 6, 1975 "All of them will take over. These students, who are initiated from me, all of them will act as I am doing. Just like I have got many Godbrothers, they are all acting. Similarly, all these disciples which I am making, initiating, they are being trained to become future spiritual masters." Room Conversation -- July 18, 1971, Detroit Parampara has to go on in Succession and Srila Prabhupad wanted his disciples to become Acharyas "This is the beginning of spiritual life. The word is called disciple. Disciple means who accept discipline. If there is no discipline, where is disciple? And "disciplic succession." We have used this word. Not that discipline is finished by one man, no. It will continue to go by succession. That is perfect." Room Conversation with Bhurijana dasa and Disciples -- July 1, 1974, Melbourne "Regarding your question about the disciplic succession coming down from Arjuna, it is just like I have got my disciples, so in the future these many disciples may have many branches of disciplic succession. So in one line of disciples we may not see another name coming from a different line. But this does not mean that person whose name does not appear was not in the disciplic succession." Letter to Kirtanananda -- Los Angeles 25 January, 1969 So The Chain of Parampara has to Continue, if we conclude that none is Qualified then it would mean none is a Pure Devotee, then what is the point of Initiation at all and if there is a Pure devotee than he is Authorised to be Acharya. Your Ritvikism is not Supported By Guru, Sadhu, Shastra. Infact it is Condemned as Practice of Apa Sampradaya. Jaygopal was rejected by Srila Virabhadra Goswami son of Srila Nityananda Prabhu, because Jaygopal declared him the Disciple of his Param Guru so he was thrown out of the Sampradaya. Similar thing is with one of the Apa Sampradaya. Parampara will always Continue. The Argument that Srila Prabhupad didn't appoint anyone is weak, because he wanted his disciples to become Spiritual Masters and gave ample of Instructions on that, infact Srila Prabhupad was himself never formally Appointed by Srila Bhaktisiddhant Sarasvati Thakur Prabhupad, neither was Srila Bhaktisiddhant Sarasvati Thakur Prabhupad appointed, neither was Srila Bhaktivinod Thakur formally Appointed. Acharya is Manifested by Guru Kripa doesn't matter whether Formally Appointed or Not. Whoever follows Mahaprabhus and his Gurus order sincerely can become Acharya and Continue the Parampara.