Contradictions! MANY issues between the readings! - Qira'at Conundrum - Episode 11

[@jamesponsi]

Very civilised authentic discussion of two formidable scholars. Two beacons on Christianity across a table 😊. Nice to see this grand team 👍

[@farookdinaully8029]

James Chacko That's the problem with all of you ignorant people,read and study the Quran for yourselves but you choose to watch videos because your minds are so weak.Read and learn for yourselves.

[@mohammadliam2962]

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[@Electrify_]

God bless you both for sharing this🙏🏾

[@rroyr5698]

Great stuff guys, God Bless you both!!!

[@sgt.grinch3299]

Love these videos. Thank you. Can you imagine the size of the tablets allah guards? With all the variations and changes and revisions these stones must be huge. Peace be upon Grinch.

[@costarring5115]

It collapsed by shear gravity in to a tiny black hole.

[@colinhartung8952]

Sgt. Grinch. I can just imagine when Isa comes on the clouds with those tablets.... They will fall through the clouds and every Muslim will have to duck and dive to miss the tablets.

[@jester56]

Great lessons guys. Your classes have really opened up my eyes about the falsehoods of Islam. Keep up the Great work.

[@genjor6630]

Thanks for excellence comments. Blvd brs, Al F. and J Smith Your english, both of you is easy to understand. Keep on comment and explain, a Quran doctrine. The peace of the Lord Jesus Christ is with you both now and forever... Amen.

[@lastprophet8338]

No wonder Yasir Qadhi said that the standard narrative of the Qurans has giant holes in it and it shouldn’t be discussed in the public

[@lastprophet8338]

@Paco Newwave It has a lot to do with it, Qurans started having problem with Muhammad forgetting Qurans, saying something in the morning and another thing in the afternoon

[@lastprophet8338]

@Paco Newwave No wonder there are a lot of different Arabic Qurans circulating worldwide today, his companions never agreed on what is supposed to be in the Quran.

[@lastprophet8338]

@Paco Newwave Different Qurans, Uthman burnt all the original manuscripts of the Quran after he made his own Version of the Qurans, why do you still have so many different Arabic Qurans circulating worldwide? There are over 30 different Arabic Qurans circulating worldwide today with over 93 thousand variations

[@lastprophet8338]

@Paco Newwave Please don’t lie, can you show me the reference for your claim?

[@thebostonsportsreport9584]

How many holes the Quran have damn ?

[@UlugbekAzimov-n4b]

Heard and discussed: Dear Dr. Jay Smith, thank you very much for the clearification, which was told the same by Professor to me to change last name to have better future in 2016 in New Zealand. It opened new doors, changed my personality. I changed my last name from DADAMUKHAMEDOV (GRANDFATHER MUKHAMMAD) to AZIMOV. It impacted my acceptance to the western world with good intention.

[@YamaAria]

Mind blowing ❤ salute from Afghanistan

[@keyazabin2308]

Let’s hope Shabbeard Ally will look at all the 93 k variants. Lol

[@thepoorsultan5112]

Except that there are not 93 k variants and jay smith blatantly lied to you

[@abunajam6787]

keya zabin Whereas the Qur'an is perfectly preserved nogodbutallah.org/?page_id=4862 Al FAdi and Jay follow the Bible which has more human-weaving that a Galilean's fishnet and from Jesus's own mouth is corrupt and OBSOLETE and JESUS IS REDUNDANT nogodbutallah.org/?page_id=535. And whereas Muslims worship Allah the All-knowing God of Purity and Perfection Who forgives ALL sins FREE, Al Fadi and Jay worship a phantom three-headed Church-baked womb-god Jesus Christ who puts Adam's sin onto blameless and helpless babies and needed to have human blood sacrifice to forgive sins (and only tyrants are expected to blame/kill the innocent for the guilty). This is the absurdity and blasphemy against God that Al Fadi and Jay (and Christians) are trying to enthrone above Islam. Only the uneducated and unthinking will leave Islam. May Allah open their hearts to Divine truth.

[@abunajam6787]

@@thepoorsultan5112 Whereas the Qur'an is perfectly preserved nogodbutallah.org/?page_id=4862 Al FAdi and Jay follow the Bible which has more human-weaving that a Galilean's fishnet and from Jesus's own mouth is corrupt and OBSOLETE and JESUS IS REDUNDANT nogodbutallah.org/?page_id=535. And whereas Muslims worship Allah the All-knowing God of Purity and Perfection Who forgives ALL sins FREE, Al Fadi and Jay worship a phantom three-headed Church-baked womb-god Jesus Christ who puts Adam's sin onto blameless and helpless babies and needed to have human blood sacrifice to forgive sins (and only tyrants are expected to blame/kill the innocent for the guilty).

[@jesusyeshuaisgodyahweh8180]

It's so good to have received the Holy Spirit, who helps us to overcome these evil spirits of the evil cult islam.🕊️✝️💪🏼

[@thebostonsportsreport9584]

Islam ☪️ is false religion and prophet Muhammad is false too. The Quran ?

[@thebostonsportsreport9584]

@Jor Tra Amen. God Bless

[@bweatherman3345]

@sammy mohammad because of your adulterous prophet you speak like this. Adultery and lust in your heart and mind. You are incapable to think in pure things. Satan lives in you day and night. You are his property

[@farookdinaully8029]

@@thebostonsportsreport9584 Christianity is worse than idolatry at least in idolatry you worship gods that have nothing to do with the true god and not the worship of a man.

[@thebostonsportsreport9584]

Believe holy Bible and ours Lord Jesus Christ. Amen 🙏

[@stuvertjohn8933]

Praise the Lord Jesus Christ. 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳

[@nareshsalam8228]

God bless you

[@askingwhyisfree7436]

Muslim friends please dont take this the wrong way but this is for you to criticize your own book. In Christian countries, it's open to criticize the bible and make a peaceful intellectual argument. True religious freedom is the freedom to ask anything. Evil were the days when people get executed just for asking if their religious book is reliable or not! ASK. SEEK. KNOCK!!!

[@felipemillomeda]

Thanks again brothers

[@Pax-Africana]

The Reminder(114 Surats) informs us that there is a Tradition which claims to be an Apostolic Tradition but rejects circumcision while the Apostles were all circumcised, the Apostles didn't believe in Trinity, and prescribed a dietary Law in Acts 15:22-34 which the said Tradition rejects. It is not ironic! On the basis of those clues we can say for sure that: Qur'an is a codeword for Torah. The Reminder is the 114 Surats Islam means an Evangelical Party supposed to enforce the Torah as the Law of the land. Muhammad euphemism for Messiah Abu Quasim as an Arabian Evangelist who later became a Sovereign Ruler, Legislator...and took up Muhammad as a reign name. Unfortunately the "Muhammad" of the Palace and the "Mohammad" of the Shahada in the Mosque got blended together in the Tradition. It's time to differentiate the Palace and the Mosque...under the Messianic title Mohammad.

[@idihaz282]

I am interested to know, how many differences altogether. Thank you

[@Chandransingham]

Very interesting again. Having spotted '93,000 textual differences', I do wonder if they should be properly categorised for further study. Elsewhere, see Study Quran page 1656, Ignas Goldziher has divided commentary traditions into discrete modes such as grammatical, doctrinal, mystical, sectarian and modern (sic). Perhaps a similar approach ? This could a challenging task to put all 93,000 on a spread sheet format and that would then be easy carry pivotal analysis of conundrums including good pie-charts to identify majors pointers for systematic/critical skilled study. In a recent youtube talk on Hadiths Dr Shabir Ally has conceded 'critical skills' required to understand Hadiths - another problem area in the academic work of Islam. Apply a similar methodology to study these 93,000 Qira'at conundrums ? PS: How does this compare with the total number of words in the Quran? Some explanations required for clarity please. Simple google search shows 77,797 words - 47,638 Meccan and 30, 159 Medinan. There seem to be 6666 or 6236 verses in 114 Surahs depending which Quran you follow, right? .

[@colinpatterson728]

Yes - IF it really matters categorisation would be helpful - I favour GRAMMATICAL categories only such as 1. Plural -----Singular 2. HE-------WE 3. PAST - FUTURE 4. Assertion - Negation IE CATEGORIES which are easy for everyone to understand - People do understand these simple/basic aspects since such knowledge they already have - otherwise they could not use their native tongue....BETTER still provide the data bank and categories and encourage people to decide for themselves!

[@farookdinaully8029]

Sydney The Bible is so much flawed that the only way you tried to defend it is to criticise the Quran with your false claims,wthout answering your own flaws with explanations. Quran claims itself as a revelation from God, something that the Bible cannot claim because nowhere in the Bible it claims as a revelation of God.Bible is in dead languages Quran is in the living language millions of people speak Arabic the language of the Quran.The Bible is written in ancient Hebrew, ancient Aramaic and ancient Greek. There does not exist one single hand written original we don't even have the first copies of the originals we just have copies of copies of copies. The present day Quran is the same as revealed 1400 years ago perfectly preserved,the Quran is codified by people who knew the prophet of Islam and had been ordered by the prophet himself to write down the verses of the Quran. I suggest you educate yourself with the history of the Quran before you dive in head first with your claim of bullshit.

[@Chandransingham]

@@farookdinaully8029 Who is claiming or alleging 'bullshit'? Care is required in studying any ancient literature before jumping to conclusions. Don't stand in the way scholarship! If you have a closed mind, get off scholar-ship. My study of the Holy Quran started 13 years ago with a with a respected teacher of Islam. I also have The Study Quran (2017) to help me.

[@farookdinaully8029]

@@Chandransingham Spare me this pitiful nonsense and ignorance that you have studied the Quran,because if you did you would not write such crap what make you so desperate and stupid and insecure that you feel the need to lie?

[@Chandransingham]

@@farookdinaully8029 Sorry, I have no further comments to make apart from saying may God bless you and keep you. Assalamu Alaykum.

[@MagicKnight00001]

Keep up the great work guys!

[@TheSlaveOfAllah1992]

Quran was revealed in one style at the beginning, but the Messenger of Allah Kept asking Gabriel until he taught him seven styles, all of which were complete. The evidence for that is the hadith of Ibn Abbas. May Allah guide you

[@ericokyere123]

😏

[@orthodoxinquirer5693]

Show me the master Muslim that reads all seven Qurans revealed by Jibreel compared to each other while licking the black stone

[@skellingtonmeteoryballoon]

😂🤣😂🤣😂abbas. Can't tell if this is joke or not but good one.

[@thesarasohrabi]

Typo... May Abbas guide you

[@farookdinaully8029]

@@orthodoxinquirer5693 All variants readings exists since the time of the prophet of Islam,they are all preserved and there are at least 10 Quranic reading variant even today you can order them on line if you want proof. I suggest you educate yourself first before you come up with nonsense.

[@jsilvanus240]

Without LIES Islam DIES,in Islam you are either FOOLED or a FOOL.

[@floweeg9142]

Yes, we don't surprise at all. Their book always change like seasons. hihi

[@AmaRev]

@@floweeg9142 haha! Well, at least Christians are funny! I know it is too much logic to understand that different Qira'at do not alter the bigger picture. Let's suppose Quran is flawed which is not true by the way. Why would reject it knowing your own bible is full of nonsense? Why would you pick a God who orders his followers to slaughter infants and children, instead of a God who said a person who kills an innocent soul will suffer the wrath of mankind, angels, and God? Why would you pick a God who watched his innocent son getting tortured and slaughtered to death to wash others' sins, instead of the God who can wash your sins, anytime anyday if you repent?

[@floweeg9142]

@@AmaRev Im not following any religion, im following The Truth. Forgive me for not following Muhammad because I dont like to use eyeliner, my eye is perfect without make up😛

[@ankur7773]

ALLAH GIBRIL FAKE I D OF MOHAMMD😉

[@farookdinaully8029]

@@floweeg9142 This is so funny coming from someone who believe in a book that is so corrupted a book that has so many many versions that are constantly being changed as we speak.You are still trying and struggling to figure out which Bible is the real one and which one you should follow.

[@uristis]

These examples of verses do not seem to dramatically change in meaning between Hafs and Warsh, and this seems a bit like splitting hairs. Addressing each example based on your translations and explanations: - For 2:58 "it shall be forgiven", it is clear from the context this is talking about God ( quran.com/2/55-59 ). It does not seem to me that Warsh readers would be missing anything. - For 2:140, according to Wikipedia ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qiraat#Examples_of_differences_between_readings ), the tendency to switch between you and they pronouns is a known feature of the Quran called "iltifat", and examples of this can even be found in the same Qiraat or verse ( www.learnarabiconline.com/arabic-rhetoric/ilm-ul-maani/iltifat-in-arabic/ ) - For 2:184, this verse is talking about multiple people (they / those) feeding multiple people. Linguistically, if you say "students must bring their textbooks", it is unclear how many textbooks each student has (one or many) since there is a sum of multiple textbooks between multiple students. If Warsh is talking about donating to Masaakeena (poor people) as a sum between multiple people, then this would not necessarily be saying something different than Hafs which clarifies one poor person each. Furthermore, in real world practice, there seems to be flexibility in how you donate fidyah (alms for missing fasts) and who receives it (individuals, family, or collected from multiple donors by a third party and distributed to a group). So a lack of clarity in this verse wouldn't technically affect the real world practice of fidyah if there were no strict rule on how many people can receive a fidyah to begin with. - For 2:219, replacing great with much doesn't seem to affect the meaning any. This verse simply says the sin of gambling and drinking is greater than their benefit. It doesn't matter whether you say the sin is bigger or more than the benefit, it means the same thing. Also, sin is not a tangible object, so how you describe the size of something that is not tangible is subjective. Tafsir Al-Jalalayn also mentions this variant ( quranx.com/Tafsirs/2.219 ) and doesn't seem to have an issue with it.

[@bittonnoeyrilbintayok9961]

SO... GOD YESHUA, BLESS THIS .. " GOOD FRIDAY " AND ... " EASTER " --- AMEN.. ALELLUIYA.. ALELLUIYA.. ALELLUIYA.. ALELLUIYA... --- From. Pure roman catholic MALAYSIA. ( sabah state borneo ) 31 march 2021, wednesday. 2307 MALAYSIA TIME.

[@colinhartung8952]

Bittonno, my friend, I don't know your background, but there was no 'Good Friday'. The crucifixion was on a Wednesday [Nissan14, the preparation day], the day before the Passover [Nissan15, a High Sabbath]. Yeshua arose on the eave after the weekly Sabbath [Nissan18, the day of First Fruits]. During the 3 days [Nissan15,16,17] He was in the grave as prophesied by Jona. The name 'Easter' was adopted by the Church of Rome from the Pagan Fertility Festival. Eggs and Bunnies are also adopted as fertility symbols. The Feast on which Yeshua was sacrificed is known as the Passover or Pash.

[@orthodoxinquirer5693]

@@colinhartung8952 You need to be Biblical. Jesus was crucified the day before the Sabbath, and was taken down on the day before the Sabbath, which is Friday. [Mark 15:42-43 KJV] And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath, Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus. [Luke 23:54 KJV] And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on. Jesus rose again ON the third day, not three actual days after.

[@colinhartung8952]

@@orthodoxinquirer5693 The Passover [Nissan15] has always been a Sabbath [Ex12v14,16; Lv23v4-7; Nm28v18]. The Preparation Day is always Nissan14. Yeshua said like Jona was in the fish 3 days, He will be 3 days in the grave [Mt12v40]. Yeshua answered: "Tear down this temple and after 3 days I will raise it" [Jn2v19 Peshitta]. Even the Pharisees were all witnesses to Him saying: "After 3 days I will rise" [Mt27v63]. According to you, He was in the grave only 1 day. Why insist on 1 day when Yeshua on 2 occasions clearly says 3 days?

[@colinhartung8952]

@@orthodoxinquirer5693 The early church was persecuted for observing Nissan14. They were called Quatro-decians [Fourteeners]. There was also a group that observed the closest weekend after 23/25 March. The day called Easter Sunday was adopted from the Pagan Fertility Festival. This date is calculated by taking the 1st Sunday after the full moon after 21 March. Calculating from the moon is pagan.

[@colinhartung8952]

@@orthodoxinquirer5693 Does your Bible say "Friday"? As you said, "You need to be Biblical". As you say, the day after the day of preparation [Nissan14] is the day before the High [Jn24v31] Sabbath [Nissan15].

[@glencampbell6217]

Trinity : God (Yahweh) + His Word (Jesus) + His Spirit... Islam is a false religion and Muhammad is a false prophet who misled billions of people in the world Jesus is supreme Jesus has the power to grant eternal life. Hallelujah to Christ Jesus Trinity : God (Yahweh) + His Word (Jesus) + His Spirit.... be bless.. peace!.

[@rockzalt]

If there is a suggestion box around here, I would scribble down, It may be interesting to have brother Dr. Dan Wallace on a show making comments about textual criticism. Are there any differences being made. Are we treating the Bible one way and the Quran another? Can you even make a side by side comparison?

[@colinpatterson728]

Rock Zalt - YES I agree that another 'Scholar' ( one who defends the Perfect Preservation Claim - RE DOTS - WORDS - PHRASES - SENTENCES - VERSES - CHAPTERS) - The Bible and Koran should be treated equally ( just like the Prophets of bAAL and Elijah) in terms of their internal claims ( Eg Perfect preservation claim cannot admit even ONE difference otherwise retreat to Very nearly perfectly preserved ) ------YES side by side comparison is obviously possible - people even compare themselves to God. Comparison is always possible - Just select you basis for comparison and off you go! ( as seen for example in the claims around Deut 18 and THE Prophet)

[@farookdinaully8029]

Rock Sait I read your comment with interest and having studied the Quran and the Bible I can answer to the points you raised about Quran and the Bible. I can give you 3 reasons why Bible is not the same as the Quran. 1.The Quran has always been in the hands of the people.The Bible doesn't claim this Bible has been the property of the church not the people. 2.The Bible is in dead languages written in ancient Hebrew,ancient Aramaic and ancient Greek.Quran is in living language of Arabic which millions of people speak. 3.There has never been so much as a letter in dispute about the Quran. Quran is not a written book it doesn't have any authors,a human author. The Quran restores the original monotheistic of Jesus who is not part of a trity. Quran came as a last revelation and it corrects all the mistakes that crept in the Bible.

[@colinpatterson728]

@@farookdinaully8029 OK - Let me reply and let us laugh together! Point 3 first - Yeah I hear what you believe! You say that there has never been so much as a letter in dispute about the Koran ? - Are you sure ? - Are you not aware of the facts about the holes in the narrative ? - Lets take one point at a time - I too read your reply with interest.

[@farookdinaully8029]

@@colinpatterson728 What holes?Explain your claim otherwise your comment is utter nonsense.

[@colinpatterson728]

@@farookdinaully8029 OK so lets suppose you don't know about the HOLES in the standard narrative -------Have you heard what Dr Yasser Quadi said ? - Its all over the internet.

[@collybever]

You're putting in solid efforts, but maybe this line of evidence is not as convincing as others. These variations would be consistent with the notion that the Qurans were sent out when the diacriticals hadn't yet (in the Arabic used) been fully defined, so that the text had ambiguities. But once sent out to different locations, mosques in the Arab Empire, it was more difficult to add in these necessary markups consistently, because of the dispersal of the qurans. Hence some differences. (I'm sure God would never use an unrefined script for his revelation unless He had to, however Abd-El-Malik may have wanted a religious system to unite the Arab foot soldiers of the Empire, hence needing Quran in Arabic.) The differences you give here don't seem especially substantive to me, but of course do show that it wasn't a perfect text, that as it were, came down from Allah as a gift. I have heard that some surahs were massively altered (was it surah 3??) and the Al fatiha surah 1 got added. Is there any evidence for this? This would be more substantive. Shias have often claimed a lot of content was stripped that related to Ali - is there any evidence of this? Islam Critiqued channel says there were versions of the shahada that didn't include Mohammed, that bit was patched in later. The content of the Quran of course has problems in its sources - like use of protogospel of James and the infancy gospel of Thomas, which are recognized as inauthentic and the authors of the Quran, if really tuning into God, would not have used. The traditions include things that seem to be mocking "Mohammed" and making him do and say horrible things, which suggests that hadith "compilers" were not a happy crew and trying to sabotage things (when they could get away with it), as well as those hadiths and the sira not matching 7C evidence from coins and historical accounts of the 7C time span.

[@lukesusilo2112]

"The differences you give here don't seem especially substantive to me, but of course do show that it wasn't a perfect text, that as it were, came down from Allah as a gift." Indeed, as long as there is one difference, whether it's just a similar meaning word, it's still a difference and hence, making 2 things only look similar not same.

[@thebostonsportsreport9584]

God Bless everyone in the world all the Christian too. Good speech

[@hollyaldahir5116]

The Quran does not contain Bible stories although they may share similarities in a few of the stories. The stories in the Quran are the stories of the many sects of the Jewish and Christian tribes in 7th Century Arabia. Among the Jewish sects were those who worshipped Ezra as the son of God. The Christian sects included Trinitarians, Gnostics, Collyridians and others. The traditions of these Christian and Jewish tribes in the Arabian Peninsula diverged from those traditions practiced by the Jews and Christians residing in Palestine, Syria and Babylonia. It was from these latter northern traditions that the Biblical writers drew for their narratives in Biblical texts. There are commonalities, to be sure as the name of the Biblical deity, Aloah which parallels the Arabic name Allah and appears in more than 50 Biblical verses as Deu 32:15, Deu 32:17, 2 Chr 32:15, Neh 9:17, Job 3:4, Job 3:23, Job 4:9, Job 4:17, Job 5:17, Job 6:4, Job 6:8, Job 6:9, Job 9:13, Job 10:2, Job 11:5, Job 11:6, Job 11:7, Job 12:4, Job 12:6, Job 15:8, Job 16:20, Job 16:21, Job 19:6, Job 19:21, Job 19:26, Job 21:9, Job 21:19, Job 22:12, Job 22:26, Job 24:12, Job 27:3, Job 27:8, Job 27:10, Job 29:2, Job 29:4, Job 31:2, Job 31:6, Job 33:12, Job 33:26, Job 35:10, Job 37:15, Job 37:22, Job 39:17, Job 40:2, Psa 18:31, Psa 50:22, Psa 114:7, Psa 139:19, Prov 30:5, Isa 44:8, Dan 11:37, Dan 11:38, Dan 11:38, Dan 11:39, Hab 1:11, Hab 3:3. The stories regarding Jesus and Mary parallel Biblical stories in many aspects but deviate in many others. The same can be said about the stories regarding Moses, Joseph and others. The differences between the Biblical narratives and those in the Quran are reflective of the fluidity of Judaism and Christianity in the 7th Century. So, it is academically helpful if one compares the origins of the stories in both the Bible and Quran as they reflect the beliefs of Judaism and Christianity in the 7th Century. Muslims hold that the stories in the Quran were revealed to Mohammed to demonstrate to these Arabian Christian and Jewish tribes that he was a true prophet as he could recite their traditions in the most eloquent language and in the most accurate manner. Mohammed knew nothing of these stories and many of the verses in the Quran are answers to inquiries from these Christian and Jewish tribes whose beliefs varied widely from modern Western Christianity. So, a good advice would be to research the languages of both of these texts as well their historical context and cultural contexts. Otherwise, debates and discussion become contentious and uninformative.

[@anthchannel1827]

Hi if can bring Christian prince to talk he is also arab decent like maybe you guys can share some information.

[@regina5595]

Agreed CP has all answer in his research mind 🙏👍👌

[@TesseRact7228]

CP does make the occasional "guest appearance", but I think he prefers working on his own...

[@colinpatterson728]

@19th October HA! - Already the categorisation begins - BUT lets say that CP is not academic - and let us assume that Academic is superior - Then STILL CP the unacademic inferior will correct the academic and superior - Which proves the falsity of the initial categorisaton in terms of its CONTENT not mere Talk.

[@aldredtawasil9339]

" the arrangement of the verses is divinely ordained by the holy prophet Muhammad[ s.a.w] would himself order the arrangement. most of the literate companions use to keep a written records of various portion of the Quran with them..committed some portion of its memory..there were Sahaba ( companions) who had committed the whole entire Quran to memory during the lifetime of prophet Muhammad....

[@TesseRact7228]

You say "...there were Sahaba ( companions) who had committed the whole entire Quran to memory during the lifetime of prophet Muhammad...." And IF it was memorized and properly communicated to following generations, Muslims should be able to flawlessly recite the revealed verse(s) regarding the ten times adult breast-feeding...

[@colinpatterson728]

@@TesseRact7228 Exactly correct - I think its good that the LIES are seeping out - Aldred Tawasil (above ) should have included the source - BUT what does he now say - THAT the Koran and its internal sequence was ordered by his Prophet----OPPS !

[@cpthekufarbuster8605]

I saw them deceive an Ahmadiya muslim by the names of Nabeel Qureshi. Nabeel Qureshi abandoned the true religion of Islam, and went to worship Jesus the son God, Mary the mother of God, brothers and sisters of God, the step father of God (Joseph). Nabeel went round preaching and preaching nonsense, while at the same time insulting Islam. In the long run, it was his time! God wanted to show him that you're worshipping a false God! A God who cannot come to your aid when you seriously need him! You saw the result. True, the God he was worshipping abandoned him.

[@SwordOfFaith888]

Au Revoir Islam.

[@fgtrhwu2]

Wouldn't they just defend this by saying both ways are allowed since it was revealed to Muhammad in many ways. I also can see how some of the more liberal ones would say focus on the message. 1. For who forgive the sins, they will say only Allah can forgive so any verse that is ambiguous would automatically refer to Allah 2. Again they will say it doesn't matter who says it. The main thing is that Allah knows better 3. They will say who cares if it's feeding one or many poor people as long as you do something good. The point here is to do charity 4. Regarding the sin they would just say it's a way of signifying that it was a big mistake akin to doing many sins in one Still nothing too damaging so far when it comes to the verses

[@fgtrhwu2]

@Justinthe Comments Yea I know all that but they will just say that maybe others did survive

[@fgtrhwu2]

@Paco Newwave I'm not a even a Muslim and I think that this particular argument that the verses changes the message comprehensively is not true. At least for now, let's see what else they bring fort.

[@fgtrhwu2]

@Justinthe Comments My comment was based on the verses mentioned in the video, I will wait for more to be shown before seeing if it truly changes anything. As for the copies being burnt by Uthman, they will just say maybe some did survive, meaning Uthman was not able to get rid of all of them. Isn't it normal for one language to have many dialects anyway? Even english has many dialects that neither you or I would be able to understand

[@fgtrhwu2]

@Justinthe Comments To be honest when I as a non Muslim look at these differences I don't feel they are particularly damaging. Does it matter if it says king or owner? Can't a king also be an owner and vice versa especially since the verse refers to God. I'm still waiting for differences in verses that totally change how muslims would practice today. I would say for those who believe that the quran was never ever changed, they would be hard done by this. But in terms of practice I have yet to see anything that changes that so far. Let's see what other verses would be presented and I may change my mind.

[@trinityispaganism989]

TRINITY EXPLAINED ----------------------------- The Trinity Teaches That God Ask Himself To Go To Earth To Save Mankind. Then He Agreed With Himself And Volunteered Himself To Himself To Offer Himself. Then "God" Impregnated A young Female which became his own Mother, As Himself, With Himself, To Be Himself. God Prayed To Himself, Glorified Himself Repeatedly. God Strengthened Himself And Talked To Himself. Finally, God Forsook Himself And Sacrificed Himself To Prove His Loyalty To Himself. While Dead, He Resurrected Himself So He Could Exalt Himself Above Himself. Then He Sat At His Own Right Hand And Waited Till He Placed His Enemies At His Foot Stool. Finally, With Satan's Force Defeated, God Would Turn His Kingdom Over To Himself That All Things Would Become Everything To Himself.

[@saidmohammed7597]

Quran is one intact for the last 1400 years. Defferent qiraat means defferent pronunciation and they do not changing the message. They all preach that believes in one God Allah alone he has no son and Jesus is his prophet.

[@floweeg9142]

7:40 Yup! Even I think the same way,, dont tell me this is from Heaven. hihi

[@artiz32000]

Nikomedia concil. reduced the 3000 bible to only 4

[@marjupsd3728]

THE NEW TESTAMENT BOOK DOESN'T DESERVE TO BE THE HOLY BOOK OF CHRISTIANS, BECAUSE THE CONTENT OF THE BOOK IS ONLY THE INTERACTION BETWEEN JESUS AND ISRAELITES, THERE IS NO INTERACTION BETWEEN JESUS AND CHRISTIANS. THERE ARE SIX CHRISTIAN WORDS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT, BUT THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH JESUS. SO IT IS IMPOSSIBLE THAT JESUS IS GOD OF CHRISTIANS.

[@satmat6566]

Great video!!! Allah fails the test every single time! He has not been able to make a photocopy of the eternal Koran in heaven.

[@eagle7757]

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16 KJV, Jesus Christ is the only way.....

[@eagle7757]

@sammy mohammad lol, John 3:16 is the word of God.

[@alisoomaali7117]

Why you don’t fix the contradiction of the trinity 3=1. The illogical inheritance of the sin. And the irresponsible belief of someone dying for your sin. Where is the free will ? Where is the responsibility of your actions?Don’t waste your time a Muslim who knows his religion will not fall this human fallacies. What you have is not the religion God sent to his messenger Issa son of Mary(peace be upon him). Repent, God forgives those who return to him.

[@thepoorsultan5112]

Your arguments are weaker than spider’s web!

[@watluktwel6767]

The biggest issue is that you cant read.

[@trinityispaganism989]

Christianity is a :Polytheistic Religion --------------------------------------------------------------------- Hinduism (:TriMurthi) = Christianity (Trinity) Christians says 1+1+1 = 1 Hinduism 1+1+1+....300.. = 1

[@marjupsd3728]

JESUS IS NOT GOD OF CHRISTIANS. JESUS DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT CHRISTIAN. THERE IS NO VERSE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT THAT PROVES THAT JESUS IS GOD OF CHRISTIANS. JESUS WAS NEVER SENT TO CHRISTIANS. THERE IS NO RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN JESUS AND CHRISTIANITY. JESUS ONLY HAS A VERY CLEAR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL. MATTHEW 15: 24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of ISRAEL. JESUS WAS BORN TO BE A LEADER WHO WILL SHEPHERD THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL, NOT SHEPHERD CHRISTIANS. MATTHEW 2: 6 And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people ISRAEL. JESUS ONLY SPOKE TO THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL, JESUS NEVER SPOKE TO CHRISTIANS. MARK 12: 29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments, Hear, O ISRAEL, The Lord our God is one Lord. JESUS IS THE SAVIOUR OF THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL. JESUS IS NOT THE SAVIOUR OF CHRISTIANS. THERE IS NO VERSE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT THAT STATES THAT JESUS IS THE SAVIOUR OF CHRISTIANS. ACTS 13: 23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto ISRAEL A SAVIOUR, JESUS. ALL THE ACTIVITIES OF JESUS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT ARE ONLY WITH ISRAELIS, NEVER WITH CHRISTIANS. SO IT IS IMPOSSIBLE THAT JESUS IS GOD OF CHRISTIANS.

[@jobugeorge6578]

That means all the Christians around the world who can read have reading disorder.

[@theguyver4934]

Jesus pbuh was a jew

[@farookdinaully8029]

@@jobugeorge6578 No what it means is unless you were born in Israel you are doomed to the hellfire.

[@archisashefa4303]

LOL WHTEVER THE DIFFERENCES ARE THE BELIEVE IN ONE GOD N SUBMIT TO ONE GOD IS THE RIGHT WAY N QURAN IS A LIGHT N ONLY SHINE UPON THE HEARTS OF SINCERE HUMAN BEINGS WHO R SEARCHING FOR THE TRUTH...

[@MuslimYouthman]

WHAT DIFFERENCE YOU CLAIMS YOU SATAN SHAME ON YOU

[@seanhopkinson708]

I actually thought these guys were on to something. Hafs is the official recitation of the Qur'an, that's why it's used 100%. WHY? Even those who recite in THE OTHER DIALECT knows Hafs. for the Muslims its not a problem because we understand that Hafs is what they recited in the time of the prophet sallallaahu alayhis salaam. APPROVALS were given for those DIALECT because they didn't change the meaning from Hafs. That's why all Qur'an were burnt EXCEPT HAFS because they started using other DIALECT that changed the meaning. What do we use to rectify any mistakes if why find it in a Qur'an? Thank you HAFS. If there is a Qur'an that is corrupted we would know because we take our pride in the Qur'an It's sad that they Quoted Shabeer Alli and Yasir Qadhi out of a debate. They cowardly took extract from videos that were made without proper research being done. Please note the two brothers are not scholars on Qur'an. If you wanted a debate you would have gotten researched answers. It's sad what you are doing to your people. For the Saudi guy ask him if He knows what the Islamic Aqeedah comprises of. Don't let him let you think that. 1 All Muslims are knowledgeable 2 All Muslims know the Qur'an NO NOT ALL OF THEM DO THAT'S WHY HE IS SITTING WITH YOU. He is not out of those Arab clothing because in his heart he still wants to be identified with Muslims.

[@colinpatterson728]

WHAT do you mean by "...those who recite in the OTHER DIALECT" ( The one not recited in the time of your prophet ) .......NOTE HAFS Version ( or whatever word you want) is the EXACT version recited in the time of Sean Hopkinson's prophet......Anyone care to Prove this ? - Not that it matters ! - EVEN IF it were true perfect preservation would not prove the contents to be true - They could be just perfectly preserved LIES. So it turns out that the Muslim claim of PERFECT preservation is false and even if it were true it would not prove truth or authorship-------------------

[@nazhasan428]

Not convincing. You should do better. Those differences not a gross one and for muslim hadith will clarify anything that is not clear in Quran. Quran and hadith should be complementary.

[@nazhasan428]

@Bj D That is ok compared to christian, worshiping human and claim god 3 in 1, 1 in 3. Please look at your own religion than busy body with other religion.

[@nazhasan428]

@Bj D You should use addition and not multiplying. Explaining your god as easy as mathematic ? If it is that easy, trinity would not have confused more than 50% of christians.

[@skellingtonmeteoryballoon]

Prophet google helps bring clarity pbuh.

[@nazhasan428]

@Bj D Believing in trinity is the father of all ignorant and stupidity which which will remain till the end of the day. Full stop.

[@nazhasan428]

@Bj D Worshiping human as god is the stupidest thing human can do.

[@t3ngchyu4n]

Sura 2: 140 : Do you know better, or does Allah. The answer is only Allah blows best (21:91), abrogated by Allah knows breast (surah and ayah perfectly peeserved, ..err.. preserved inside the digestive tract of Aisha's tame sheep/goat). Or a verse that sounds alike or better (2:106)

[@AmaRev]

You guys like to hang on to dust. First, How many people were writing Quran in the era prophet!? One, two, several, or Aisha!? Second, Quran (2:106) didn't say verse, it says the Arabic word "آية " which can mean "evidence, proof, miracle, verse,...." How do you know the word "آية " on verse 2:106 means verse!? Who told you so? If the prophet hasn't explained verse 2:106, then how can you claim to know the correct translation? You guys are picking the translation that suits your interests. You can't prove the bible is right, so all is left is trying to discredit the truth. God has spoken about the kinds of Al Fadi and his buddy. Verse (3:7) He is the One who has revealed to you the Book (the Qur’ān). Out of it there are verses that are MuHkamāt (of established meaning), which are the principal verses of the Book, and some others are Mutashābihāt (whose definite meanings are unknown). Now those who have perversity in their hearts go after such part of it as is mutashābih, seeking (to create) discord, and searching for its interpretation (that meets their desires), while no one knows its interpretation except Allah; and those well-grounded in knowledge say: “We believe therein; all is from our Lord.” Only the men of understanding observe the advice.

[@t3ngchyu4n]

@@AmaRev hahaha, so the clear Quran explain everything in detail, yet your translations cannot choose the right words to convey the message. What a stupid messenger from an even more stupid Allah

[@skellingtonmeteoryballoon]

🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂owow, that's deep.

[@t3ngchyu4n]

@Paco Newwave only slightly less hateful and wicked compared to Allah and his most favourite messenger

[@t3ngchyu4n]

@Paco Newwave do you know even what you are reading? Psalms or Zabur was given to Jesus or Injeel, according to your own idiotic book

[@gogoneeve6387]

Look who's talking..

[@zedmak4887]

If these are contradictions. Then english is the problem. Clearly the meanings are the same. This is clear desperation and clutching at straws🤣 John ran and john was running is the same context🤦‍♂️.

[@theguyver4934]

Same goes for the torah, zabur & injil and I'm saying that as a muslim Allah swt bless