Control & Consistency: Explaining Every BANNED Card in the Pokémon TCG’s Expanded Format Episode 5

[@ChaoticMeatballTV]

Shaymin-EX was the card that made me understand why hard once per turns need to exist. Really wish Pokemon would use them more!

[@2rare2die26]

Heck, I used 4 Shaymin EX in my Zoroark GX deck before it got banned. And 4 in my Night March deck. And 4 in Lost March Turns out, before it got banned, Shaymin was arguably the best draw card in the game because of the lack of that hard 1PT clause lol

[@bucketslash11]

HARD once per turn, as some cards he has showcased have been soft once per turn

[@Kuronosa]

O.o Chaotic watches Logs?

[@jakegearhart]

1:31 Is meant to be “2-hit KO’d” in case anyone was confused.

[@Laura-ns9wx]

I was looking for this comment, thank you

[@victikirby15]

I’d love to see you do a video talking about the “Hall of Fame” format. It’s a really interesting format exclusive to the Japanese TCG that uses cards from the Diamond and Pearl expansion onward, and uses a unique banlist that limits cards in a way similar to Yugioh Duel Links, where restricted cards are given a point value, and a deck cannot exceed a certain number of points.

[@justkita3890]

Masquerain misread as "Masquerina." Someone's got yugioh on the brain.

[@PrincessHopeVT]

I remember when Shaymin-EX was underestimated, and considered a bad card, and then how it broke the game instantly afterwards, becoming a 100$ card.

[@TheArcv2]

Shaymin-EX 3/10 much worse Uxie from Legends Awaken

[@maskedfallen1331]

I remember pre buying 14 of skymin cause I thought it was gonna be nuts. One of the pokemon cards that I actually made a decent return out.

[@deadforever99]

@@maskedfallen1331 I remmember there was a guy that did that same thing but with sesimitoad ex. Except instead of 14 he got his hands on over 60 copies of the card. That's what I heard from the players anyways.

[@2rare2die26]

I could very well be wrong, but I played the game during roaring skies and I'm 99.99% sure that everybody that actually played the game realized how insane shaymin EX was immediately. I'm hardly a tournament player, nor are my friends, but we all KNEW shaymin was gonna be silly good lol.

[@2rare2die26]

I do think it went from a $30 card to a $60 (regular) or $95 (full art) though. So apparently the player base didn't realize it was a staple 4 of in every deck. I respectfully concede that point

[@Astraltophat]

my favorite part of this channel is hearing mr logs butcher Pokemon names

[@BerserkGorilla]

Kledeo ex hit different

[@Zoey587]

Lachios

[@ILiekFishes]

metal type

[@whatyoulookinfor]

@@ILiekFishesthis one is correct in the tcg though

[@sekken4209]

18:28 The Yu-Gi-Oh! card names creep even into the Pokémon channel

[@xypher5538]

I heard it as well IP Masquerena!

[@sandragon13]

Very glad I found this channel, this series has demonstrated how cards can be chained together to accomplish specific goals efficiently, or in this case, overwhelmingly so. I would love to see more videos of this type, perhaps focusing on archetypes and what made them successful?

[@kanrakucheese]

There’s actually one banned card left: Blaine’s Quiz Show. This one isn’t that interesting though, since the reason was explicitly given: It has an effect that is language dependent and thus unsuited for multi-lingual events.

[@dogindagrass]

Those last notes about Shaymin Ex reminds me of those Sabledonk and Uxiedonk decks that were around right before black and white and compleately changed the ruleset for the new format

[@epicness877]

I first played competitively during BW era, and I knew Sableye was good, but JEESUS

[@bananawallpaper]

very good write up on sableye. wasnt expecting it to go into such detail. the history of the card is probably the most intresting in the expanded format as it always seemed to be on the brink of being broken but never quite made it

[@deathseraph3]

Laysheos, masquerina, and calling pigeotto pigeot. Some things never change lol.

[@JeffKGaming]

You'd think a person with so many followers across multiple channels wouldn't be so sloppy lol

[@codahighland]

I haven't played in a very, very long time. I fell out of the game in the mid '00s when Yu-Gi-Oh displaced Pokemon League so I couldn't find anyone to play with. The game has changed so much since then that I barely recognize it anymore. On the one hand, the power creep is unbelievable -- Pokemon that would have been massively overpowered back then are being released as uncommons now. Lots of rules have changed, and I don't even know all of them (I didn't know about the first turn attack change until this very video). But on the other hand, cards that I considered staples are somehow now considered too powerful to ever reproduce. I really don't know how to feel about it.

[@Joker22593]

I surprised nobody played Looker with Oranguru (or at least it isn't mentioned here). It lets you draw three... FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE DECK!

[@TheVictor126]

people did, but it was either noob bait or used as 1 offs, you are sacrificing your supporter for turn after all, and if you want to loop this strat over and over you need a way to add looker back, so you end up using your supporter for turn to get 2 cards from the discard... which sableye did without using your supporter

[@nicolaistuhlmuller8718]

Yeah it's ultimately just a lot weaker than sableye + time puzzle. Essentially you absolutely need vs seeker to be one of the 3 cards returned with Oranguru simply because you actually need to loop looker. This means Oranguru will always return any 2 cards + vs seeker, and since you'll always use vs seeker right away it will only return you any 2 cards in the end. Which is exactly the same thing that sableye + time puzzle does, just with the difference that you can't play supporter cards. The only way for Oranguru to be better than Sableye + Time Puzzle is by decking yourself out and having two mons with a poképower that lets you draw a card. That way you will always draw 3 cards a turn, and you can choose these 3 cards from your discard pile.

[@munchrai6396]

Looker also has it's own whistle to search it out so it's not the worst idea even if it's a far cry from puzzle of time

[@chaosbass]

I can tell he only plays the card game with pronunciations like “Lashios”, “Girafaridge”, and “Masquerina” 😂 Put this is really interesting for someone who only has light experience with the TCG side of Pokemon

[@KeoughSchwantiger]

Great video visual. Editor really did well

[@munchrai6396]

I really do wish Shaymin-EX was banned sooner. The card caused so much collateral damage from cards that could've stayed legal for far longer if only this card was not pushing them to their breaking point.

[@modernkiwi6447]

I followed this series for a week or so now, it is so satisfying to see the ultimate villain in Shaymin-EX finally getting banned Edit: also holy shit “Laishios EX” is a new one Edit 2: what the fuck do you mean Shaymin EX was never banned, legit the Crystron Halqifibrax of Pokémon TCG

[@sferedog5152]

It did get banned

[@jakegearhart]

20:22 It's banned

[@goldenarmour7975]

There's really good alternatives to oranguru btw. My favorite is bunnelby, it can recycle 2 cards, which is enough for a lot of infinites still, even if you lose out on some of them, and it's more flexible than guru cuz it can also accelerate a mill plan if needed, which is useful. It does have 60 less HP, but that tends to not matter too much. And it also has the option of recycling a single card which can be useful too.

[@TwoHeadedFlounder]

I remember playing virizion/genesect against toad/puff and losing hard becuase I never could keep an energy in play. One of the moments I questioned if the game was even fun at all.

[@chaosbuster1275]

I’d be interested to see cards banned in past metagames. Slowking is especially interesting

[@Enraptored-]

I live to control, and mill, I relish in destroying my opponent’s strategy for an all more satisfactory victory.

[@justaadhdgamerwesley6244]

Ahh junk hunt great times lmao

[@kstanni87]

Sableye sure had a lot of powerful cards that it could recycle. It would be very broken in a Lost Box deck alongside it Psychic variant. If the black one was allowed along side the purple, it could recycle Scoop-Up Nets or even Colress's Experiment for long combos.

[@applenaught6768]

Here for the why cards are banned 2nd, and how the MoonSpiderLogs pronounces pokemon cards 1st.

[@eyeofthetyger8504]

I use a rare varient of doll stall that uses florges. Once set up, the game turns into easy mode. And its very easy to set up within the first 2 turns, and it's fun to turn ADP into a free match. The reason not many know about this deck though is because it uses an extremely expensive card called Tropical Beach. So, I don't see it being banned anytime soon.

[@sagacious03]

Okay analysis video! Thanks for uploading!

[@duncancrowley6643]

My guy has the worst pronunciation of Pokemon names and attacks, but I do like to hear about Expanded so I watch anyways lol.

[@Petsinwinter2]

It's a recurring theme with him. He pronounces Yu-Gi-Oh cards wrong all the time, too

[@TheVictor126]

a few minors mistakes such as poke-body instead of poke power, darkrai one hit koing exs instead of 2 hit koing, team skull grunt discarding only special energies instead of any energy. but it was a good series

[@TheKrabbster]

This is a very interesting video but the rainbow background effect is a bitrate killer, too many colors changing at once kills video compression, it’s probably an effect to avoid using. Also the way you pronounced Latios hurt my soul

[@kwayke9]

Shaymin EX: So busted it spawned hard once per turns and the rule box mechanic. And thank Arceus Set up Uxie isn't legal in Expanded (DP era card, imagine Shaymin EX but no rule box, so hello Life dew, and it draws to 7)

[@kwayke9]

@@Chiffonaise 2004? Oops, I thought this was way later

[@10types]

i wonder is this is the channel that will save pokemon. super cool content. keep it up

[@bucketslash11]

19:20 lat-e-os

[@koyoyoyo1170]

I remember at release people were talking about shaymin as a weaker uxie

[@eyeofthetyger8504]

Side note, but I think double dragon or giratina and garchomp ttgx will be banned soon because of lugia. Using wally to evolve lugia, then placing two archeops on the bench which could accelerate all the needed energy for tinachomp gx move at max power makes for a super consistent donk deck.

[@bulbibulbo3173]

Wally deserve the ban .

[@seantaft3853]

That combo can be done faster without the Lugia VSTAR trick or Wally. Still, the combo is evil; I'd argue DDE is the card to ban as it's the enabler right now.

[@marxistharpy]

I remember back when Junk Hunt Sableye and Garbotoxin were everywhere, I’d run three copies of Tool Scrapper. Couldn’t stand that deck

[@FeartheMalice]

Top 10 item cards from the first sets

[@EntroVirical_Engima]

Damn, Shaymin EX was the first EX I got, and I thought it was terrible (I was at playground level battling back then)

[@akiarakou908]

Maybe Scoop Up Net will also be banned in the future since it is able to scoop up powerful Pokemon-ex in SV series.🤣

[@josecarloszapataechaiz5682]

❤ more expanded love and vids please

[@chaoscapricorn13]

I remember my sableye deck :*( it was so much fun

[@davidhermosillo4669]

Awesome video

[@joaov2374]

Fuck, now i want to play that sableye deck. Will never be able to

[@caseywilson4488]

How did you pronounce Latios?????

[@IndellableHatesHandles]

Had no clue that Darkrai card was good to play. I have the exact one.

[@laxprincelang0152]

Why didn’t sableye users just use Pokémon ranger to combat seizmatoad???

[@ExcuseZero]

Right in the youth, ouch... But no disagreements here

[@bigbang8739]

I remember I had the sabelye

[@kisapniaq]

I’ll note, the biggest issue with the recovery is it getting back more than one card, just allowing you to reuse and snowball momentum. Cards like Munchlax don’t see the same play for that reason Now Shaymin-EX, haha, I miss Shaymin. And I sincerely dislike it being banned, as for it is a liability, but I wish there were limitations applied. If we banned Scoop Up Net, it would be much less a problem, albeit maybe ban Dialga VStar if we do unban shaymin. Worst case I’d at least prefer a limited list for things like Shaymin, Lusamine, ICA and so on. But oh well Latios [la-tee-OSE] EX also wasn’t so much a problem on ladder when Pheramosa existed, but yeah they both sucked to be against

[@AeroDragon2]

Shaymin EX was a mistake, straight up it was a mistake

[@torteragrotel3897]

Awesome video, but if thats how you say Girafarig try sating its new evolution :DDDDDDDDDDDDD

[@jaykorner1391]

Is it not LAH-TEE-OH-SEH? I’ve never heard LAY-SHEE-OH-SHHS

[@thomashansen7007]

Great content. One thing though: You mispronounce FAR too many pokemon's names. Masquerina? Lasheeos? EDIT: Dendenne?!!!

[@lilBigBagel]

lovin it

[@DiabloTommaso]

Am I drunk or the shiny cards video vanished?

[@thedexlogsdexlogs]

It'll be back up shortly. I have to edit out some parts

[@DiabloTommaso]

@@thedexlogsdexlogs ok so I m not drunk xD man I just love your channels this one in particular since i know nothing

[@idontthink]

Did you just call it "Den-denne"?

[@farronssb]

this video has been flagged for misinformation

[@lovepooky]

Your pronunciation of pokemon names is dreadful ahaha. Its clear you're a fan of the interactions, not the underlying franchise, which is also valid.

[@TopPigg]

I love your content but please try to Google a pronunciation of important words like card names. I'm not trying to throw shade, it's just jarring to be immersed in the history of the game only for a name to be so wrong it sounds like the narrator has never played Pokémon before. Other than that everything is amazing

[@luckilyduckily]

a pokemon channel is just what you needed for more tortuous pronunciations huh lmao

[@superbaas8822]

Have you considered starting your own channel and presenting things with the peoper pronunciations? Oh wait, that might involve getting off your ass and putting in some work.

[@glitchedoom]

"Layshios" is killing me.