CONTROVERSY ERUPTS in NHRA Pro Stock Motorcycle!

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CycleDrag

Ай бұрын

Go behind the scenes as we explore the major controversy taking place in the NHRA Pro Stock Motorcycle class from the Gatornationals in Gainesville, FL, as team Matt Smith tells all in this class expose where according to Smith the rules are greatly influenced by a very powerful team. In this battle of Team Matt Smith vs. Team Vance and Hines we watch the entertaining semifinal races involving LE Tonglet, Gaige Herrera, Matt Smith and his wife Angie Smith in what is a v twin vs. Suzuki showdown. We also discuss the reign of dominance Vance & Hines has had on the class, 18 years of exclusivity with Harley-Davidson, the introduction of the S&S Buell Pro Stock V-Twin and Vance & Hines new billet cases, four valve heads and crankshafts they sell to almost all of their competitors. After we watch the final go down we head inside the trailer of Matt Smith to get the unfiltered truth from the six-time NHRA Pro Stock Motorcycle champion. We also hear what his father, Pro Model legend "Tricky" Rickie Smith has to say about the situation. Enjoy this behind the scenes look at what has to be one of the biggest controversies in drag racing. #motorcycle #motorcycles #dragracing #nhradragracing #nhra #racing
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@ultraman33624
@ultraman33624 Ай бұрын
I can appreciate how candid Matt is in letting EVERYONE know the dirty tricks being played by Vance and Hines and ENABLED by the NHRA.
@charlesloyd1970
@charlesloyd1970 Ай бұрын
Vance and Hines are supplying money to nhra so the nhra officials can buy those Rolex's for Christmas gifts.
@ixlr8677
@ixlr8677 Ай бұрын
fans put up with that loaded crap? unreal.
@gregblack8550
@gregblack8550 Ай бұрын
@@ixlr8677just like the entertainment business. The fans could put a stop to all this crap by just stop watching. We also possess the ability to stop the politicians but by fueling the in fighting they win .
@ixlr8677
@ixlr8677 Ай бұрын
@@gregblack8550 they keep use fightin each other so we will leave them alone.
@donaldrusland2065
@donaldrusland2065 4 күн бұрын
Nhra should be ashamed.crooked
@JeffreyPerrault-hk6xe
@JeffreyPerrault-hk6xe Ай бұрын
Good observation NHRA isn't ruining pro-stock motorcycle,They HAVE ruined it.I don't care how fast they are,I'd like to see multiple manufacturers out there.Maybe a factory engine case rule?
@farmerkevin
@farmerkevin Ай бұрын
Hard hitting news reporting and interviews. Let me guess, V&H had no comment?
@RustyWells2
@RustyWells2 Ай бұрын
Vance and Hines will kill the very thing they love and that will be how they are remember not all the championships!
@ultraman33624
@ultraman33624 Ай бұрын
It’s not just Vance & Hines. It’s ALL of the manufacturers as well. The price of parts are absolutely insane.
@thomasmacdonald5809
@thomasmacdonald5809 Ай бұрын
I know nothing about the sport...but power & control + the perks that come along with it, matter 100x more then championships, a better product & the opinions of others. The attention is what they love not the sport.
@mokokawi
@mokokawi Ай бұрын
the only fair thing is to have 2 different races,one for 4 cylinders, and one for v-twin ....both based on stock cases from production bikes to the mass public.
@bryanbarr6782
@bryanbarr6782 Ай бұрын
How about 1 class and limit engine size and everybody has the same weight minimum.
@TwowheelJD
@TwowheelJD Ай бұрын
Yes 4 cylinder will always be more powerful than V-twin, Just have a V-twin class and a 4cylinder class.Maybe the crying will stop.
@backroadbeetle4781
@backroadbeetle4781 Ай бұрын
see I always thought it was stock casings, weird that it's not
@davidleonard8369
@davidleonard8369 29 күн бұрын
@@backroadbeetle4781well there’s certainly nothing stock about pro stock. Might as well call it pro crock!
@tommyteeth5874
@tommyteeth5874 26 күн бұрын
Take the wheelie bars off.... Let's see them actually jock the bikes
@RustyWells2
@RustyWells2 Ай бұрын
Why would you expect the old heads at the nhra to do anything right they operate like it's the 80s hell look at how the street outlaws and the no prep small tire racing has taken over social media and drag racing the nhra has become a rich man's racing club and the fans left are aging out and will be gone in a few years!
@steveyork8069
@steveyork8069 Ай бұрын
No prep kings not a rich man’s sport.Well over $250 k in the cars plus $110 k engines.
@scallen3841
@scallen3841 Ай бұрын
It still doesn't beat a top fuel dragster going 330 mph in 3.7 seconds
@ultraman33624
@ultraman33624 Ай бұрын
@@steveyork8069you are ABSOLUTELY correct. You forgot to mention the cost of the transport vehicle, tuner, lodging, food and CREW MEMBERS!!!! It’s a half million dollar investment with ZERO ROI!!!!
@JaySmith-kk6lh
@JaySmith-kk6lh Ай бұрын
Your spitting facts, I just went to a top fuel event and my favorite part was the small tire shootout class and reason was I could identify with those guys. Top fuel is just a novelty at this point along with pro stock
@GTGibbs
@GTGibbs Ай бұрын
@Rustywells2 great point
@reecetbobby5347
@reecetbobby5347 Ай бұрын
Much love to Matt and Angie for fighting the good fight. It used to piss me off how much of an advantage the Harleys used to have, and now it's the exact same with the VH Suzukis. Get your shit together NHRA.....
@mokokawi
@mokokawi Ай бұрын
corporate corruption has no place in motorcycle racing,yet here it is,thanks to the love of money
@larrydean1252
@larrydean1252 Ай бұрын
Same as what NHRA done to pro stock. It is just pro Chevrolet!
@AlanRoehrich9651
@AlanRoehrich9651 20 күн бұрын
Ford and Chrysler have consistently refused to invest money to make parts for the class. It's that simple.
@ronniemullis8717
@ronniemullis8717 Ай бұрын
I have been following Pro Stock Motorcycle for many years. The late great Dave Schultz was my hero. Jack I’m glad you brought this to light. Hopefully something will be done. I would like for Kawasaki to be competitive.
@DonMcConaughy
@DonMcConaughy Ай бұрын
Didn't hear the Smiths complaining when he won six
@Bodie2020
@Bodie2020 29 күн бұрын
I don’t think he is complaining about loosing. He is complaining that there is equality in the class. The 4 cylinders clearly have an advantage. He tried to go to suzuki but the only ones making parts for that engine is the team winning everything and they don’t make parts available to competitors. The v-twins are limited by the rules. A true racer wants to win fairly. And if they ever skirted the rules and got caught every win and championship would be called into question. If the other brand beats you by a tenth at that level and beats you in every part of the track it’s not you. I don’t follow this type of racing and don’t care about it. I care about all motor sports growing.
@Clyde-2055
@Clyde-2055 Ай бұрын
Smith seems to overlooking that V&H isn’t doing all the winning, Gaige is doing all the winning, even against his teammates, Krawiec in ‘23, and Gadson in ‘24. I’d like to hear his explanation … It would be interesting to let Smith and Herrera ride the same bike several times back to back, and if Gaige bests Smith by .02-.04 to 60-ft. each time, it’s time for Smith to shut up … I’d pay to see that matchup!
@daviddiodato5550
@daviddiodato5550 Ай бұрын
Great video!! That all needed to be said!! Thank you Matt Smith for taking the time after the race!! I hope this class doesnt go away!! Jack, many people were disappointed in FS1 broadcast schedule!!! Needs to be on in the afternoon!! I was looking forward to live gatornationals!! Not happy!! Keep up the great coverage!! Heading to lebanon valley for opening day in 2 weeks!!
@wattyler6075
@wattyler6075 Ай бұрын
Sounds like a cozy cartel. Sounds like things being fixed. Where are the other engines - Kawasaki, Yamaha, Honda?.
@ultraman33624
@ultraman33624 Ай бұрын
If those manufacturers aren’t willing to grease the NHRA’s pockets for 6 figures per season, they are ABSOLUTELY not allowed to have anyone running their brand of equipment.
@JeffKopis
@JeffKopis Ай бұрын
The other makes would rather focus on their production bikes, and production-based race bikes, like motocross and World Superbike. Pro Stock does nothing to increase sales for Zuki or Harley, only Vance & Hines.
@wattyler6075
@wattyler6075 Ай бұрын
@@JeffKopis very true.
@petergehle4222
@petergehle4222 Ай бұрын
The other makes can't make the hp.....simple
@davidleonard8369
@davidleonard8369 29 күн бұрын
@@petergehle4222sure they can considering that there’s not a single stock part in a pro stock motorcycle engine. It’s just a matter of spending enough money developing one off engines and then calling them stock. The rule’s literally prohibit stock parts. When Vance and Hines decided to race the Harley V-Rod nhra made them use a two valve head with pushrods. All production Harley Davidson V-rods used four valve overhead cam engines.
@2strokecarbtuningportingin187
@2strokecarbtuningportingin187 Ай бұрын
Great video 👍 Jack. Your correct we wanna see everyone stand a chance of winning.
@JeremyTipton-xn4bx
@JeremyTipton-xn4bx Ай бұрын
Thanks for your stand up attitude on this. you have a voice that maybe they will here.
@wateverit8ks342
@wateverit8ks342 Ай бұрын
“There’s a lot of things that haven’t been done out there, why??? “MONEY !!!! When the organizers start accepting greased palms , it literally ruins everything!!!!!
@exothermal.sprocket
@exothermal.sprocket Ай бұрын
Greed. Money is merely the ability to command goods and services.
@jarheade3823
@jarheade3823 Ай бұрын
Ricky,. You said it right off,.. Get to work,. Stop belly aching, Make your own cranks,. Billet everything,. Spend the money the way V & H has been doing and make up that tenth your behind.
@alexm668
@alexm668 Ай бұрын
You can make whatever you want but the NHRA has to approve it before you can run it in competition
@JustWbwana
@JustWbwana Ай бұрын
not every team can afford the equipment, technology and raw material supply yo build their own parts. NHRA said parody and they are not doing what they say.
@Scooter85moto
@Scooter85moto Ай бұрын
He could make up a tenth and he would still have to make more than 5 more tenths to be any competition V&H is running 5 to 6 tenths faster than everyone else
@royb.1441
@royb.1441 Ай бұрын
Seems like a dumb business decision for a race engine builder to have their own team. I thought it would kill the business after you start winning....but what do I know. Also- who in their right mind would pay big money to their competitor for an engine? Thats dumb too.
@deontrymcnear5622
@deontrymcnear5622 Ай бұрын
Why race if you’re not trying to win? V&H build a product to help them win! Why would they sale the products that’s helping them win to their competitors???? That makes no sense! Go build your own product to help you win! Why would the sale to someone to cause them to lose? Racing is about who is the fastest and who can get to the finish line first! Not I’ll sale you the parts to help you possibly beat me in a race!!!!! SMH! They supposed to build and make their bike faster so they can win!
@user-dg1pg9hw3w
@user-dg1pg9hw3w Ай бұрын
Can't think of who does more to promote drag racing. Love what you do. Keep up the good work.
@TM-yp9bi
@TM-yp9bi Ай бұрын
Cycledrag guy has become quite the douche bag at all the rallies and races he shows up at , all the real racers tell him to f-off and quit bothering them
@BABYPOP028
@BABYPOP028 Ай бұрын
You are not afraid to speak truth! -Subscribed!
@martianrays
@martianrays Ай бұрын
This type of drag racing has become the rich mans game. Back in late 80's very early 90's I would help Pizza John, who in 89 had the championship for prostock. He would spend $20,000 a year and put in a lot of late nights. Schultz would be spending like $100,000 yearly. I can't even imagine what they spend now. A V&H crankshaft is $5500.00 you can bet cases are like $30,000 and your not even close to having a complete engine yet.
@MasterWitchDoctor
@MasterWitchDoctor Ай бұрын
VHR built Pizza John Mafaros bike and it was actually faster than the bike Terry Vance raced in that year (it wasnt 1989). Terry Vance's last year was 1988 and he raced a GSX1100 Katana, I believe Pizza John raced a GPz1100.
@martianrays
@martianrays Ай бұрын
@@MasterWitchDoctor Pizza won the prostock 1989, ( bike ran 7:86) and I would imagine that was the bike built by V&H. He sold that bike and in 1990 he had the 1st Puppet frames ( or one of the first, it was a new design) and he had all kinds of problems with the frame. He had Haledon Cycle on the right hand arm of his leathers. I was one of the people at Haledon Cycle, aka the Harley guys or Haledonians. We were just a bunch of motorcycle guys doing our thing at 2am most nights. ( and the neighbors would call the police for noise complaints at times)
@cub67
@cub67 Ай бұрын
Why is it so hard for some to understand that you can buy the parts from V&H, You just can't buy the R&D for your program. Do you believe that the S&S cylinder head is ready to go out of the box right to the winners circle without going through it to make it work better?
@jeffreypelletier7247
@jeffreypelletier7247 Ай бұрын
Thank you for putting out the facts!! I’m not a big fallowed of the bikes but it definitely seems lopsided for sure
@Sam590ss
@Sam590ss Ай бұрын
Vance & Hines and Suzuki. Two things that should never be mentioned together in the same sentence.
@kev4fun12
@kev4fun12 Ай бұрын
Excellent Piece.
@RJExpediting-rk7lr
@RJExpediting-rk7lr Ай бұрын
It’s called professional drag racing. Just like when Bob Glidden dominated pro stock. Other folks could run fords but they weren’t going to get the same stuff he had. He developed it , he tested it, he worked the hardest plain and simple. If I have invested in all the machinery and equipment, well each team can do the same. Or go out and find a manufacturer that will work exclusively with your team.
@js7127
@js7127 Ай бұрын
The money is not there for other companies to invest millions into a product for a hand full of customers.
@davidrial9249
@davidrial9249 Ай бұрын
Yea,Glidden out classed everyone else & NHRA kept putting weight on the Cleveland!! Glidden built small motors & when faster!!! Thanks NHRA
@peteloomis8456
@peteloomis8456 29 күн бұрын
​@@davidrial9249That's the very same thing they did with the Hemi cars as well . Even the winged super bird and the Dodge Daytona's in NASCAR kept getting rule mandate that the hemi couldn't run the magnesium intakes and eventually could only 1 - 4 barrel carburetor to try and slow them down until NASCAR eventually banned them altogether. NHRA was making the Hemi cars add weight as well to slow them down but smart racers would add the weight in the rear tube chassis frames that had fill & drain caps welded in so they could change the bias weight on the cars for better traction and launch .
@markf5735
@markf5735 29 күн бұрын
There were crew chiefs in drag racing that had always faster cars then their competition, for a variety of reasons. Maybe they worked longer and harder, tested more or knew people who could design and make better parts. Or maybe they were just smarter. These teams would dominate for a while, then someone new would come along and dominate for a while. It's the way it's always been in racing. Rule changes that try to make everyone equal don't work.
@tomstiel7576
@tomstiel7576 22 күн бұрын
@@markf5735 bingo
@williamevans6043
@williamevans6043 Ай бұрын
Very Interesting Jack! Good info!
@mikeskidmore6754
@mikeskidmore6754 Ай бұрын
Comparing a V-Twin to a 4 Cylinder Overhead Cam Engine is like Comparing Apples to Oranges.
@roberta.7886
@roberta.7886 Ай бұрын
Lets not forget that gage cuts a killer light. Matt always complains when he losses when he wins he is quiet. You just said V and H are selling parts to other riders. How many teams does matt sell to?
@Clyde-2055
@Clyde-2055 Ай бұрын
Perhaps nobody wants to buy Matt’s overpriced parts …
@DuftCloudly
@DuftCloudly Ай бұрын
Wild to see all the hype and fuss about Gaige. So stoked for all his success and crazy to see how far he’s come from the 1/8th at Irwindale every Thursday.
@ericalger5003
@ericalger5003 Ай бұрын
That turbo bike Chris Moore rode at Pomona for a couple exhibition runs should be what PSM should be based on. It ran 215mph and its street legal.
@Jared45513
@Jared45513 Ай бұрын
Agreed. Pretty sure it was on a DOT drag radial as well
@ericalger5003
@ericalger5003 Ай бұрын
@Jared45513 I don't see why you couldn't use a drag slick and a wheelie bar but yes, Chris Moore's turbo Busa he ran at Pamona is what PSM should be about. Stock chassis, stock front suspension, lowered, obviously, and stock bodywork.
@sendit2873
@sendit2873 Ай бұрын
I also noticed not to many were excited about the win
@keithenking8888
@keithenking8888 Ай бұрын
I turned my back on the NHRA years ago and won't look back
@David-uu1oj
@David-uu1oj 15 күн бұрын
Great job explaining this mess!
@chuckpuglia982
@chuckpuglia982 Ай бұрын
Great interview with Matt!
@Zach2Wheels
@Zach2Wheels Ай бұрын
Love the coverage 🙏
@paulcooksey6102
@paulcooksey6102 Ай бұрын
2 👍👍 thumbs up to the "Smith Family"
@motozz8258
@motozz8258 Ай бұрын
Thank you Man , biggest wallet wins is not racing. Control of outcomes is rubbish as well.
@markharris2393
@markharris2393 Ай бұрын
I appreciate you bringing this out. I love NHRA and had no idea this was happening. Matt and Angie are great with fans and seem to be of great character. This needs fixing, racing for 2nd, not good for fans or sponsors.
@molonaabe
@molonaabe Ай бұрын
You don’t like that V&H is the suppliers ? Go make you own engine and submit it to NHRA you can do that
@MikeRay1978
@MikeRay1978 Ай бұрын
So you want only the most wealthy people in the sport racing against V&H or do you want the class to die? Because that’s what your solution means. NO SINGLE manufacturer should control a multi manufacturer class. Period.
@akanishta99
@akanishta99 Ай бұрын
@@MikeRay1978 That's pretty much what every class in NHRA has become, and exactly what Warren Johnson warned about 20 years ago.
@stephenwolinski4651
@stephenwolinski4651 Ай бұрын
Make over for sure, look at motocross, Supercross , I’m no fan of Field moto sports but this year look at the attendance , record setting, new manufacturers coming in I’m 61 still riding, and have TONS of choice , and even in New England we now have new private tracks to ride!
@jeremyfisher8782
@jeremyfisher8782 Ай бұрын
Never paid any attention to Pro Stock Motorcycle ... some how this ended up in my suggestions. Glad it did .. really good job. I learned more in the first few minutes than I would have trying to figure out things on my own (if I would have ever even been interested). Keep up the good work ... I will definitely keep up with what is going on through your channel. Sounds like there is some really strange stuff going on ... drama certainly makes things interesting.
@tommyteeth5874
@tommyteeth5874 26 күн бұрын
Just finished watching Chris Moore within .2 and pulling almost 20mph more on a street bike WITH NO BAR. That guy could show V&H how to do it. Guy is legend.
@RichValentine1972
@RichValentine1972 9 күн бұрын
Claim rule needs to be implemented, period!
@michaelclark3690
@michaelclark3690 Ай бұрын
THSNKS Matt!!
@GuruBikerTrash
@GuruBikerTrash Ай бұрын
Where was the pairty when the Suzuki's were kept to a 2-valve head, and only allowed 113 c.i.? When the V-twin's were at 160 c.i.? Quit your complaining and just race! Technology will come around(can you say"V-Rod"?) and the V-twin's will be back. Certain people have been complaining about the weight thing for years. This stuff comes and goes in cycles, just like the way the cars do.
@Neals_Stuff
@Neals_Stuff Ай бұрын
Companies are not going to build Suzuki parts to compete against V&H because the potential sales would not be enough to justify the investment. Perhaps we ban certain aftermarket parts like billet cases, heads, crankshafts? That would eliminate your point of contention. Other classes have companies that race and supply parts and even lease engines and I don't hear the same controversy there. Yes the V-Rod deal was wrong but that was in the past, lets move on.
@user-ey7jo8cz1o
@user-ey7jo8cz1o Ай бұрын
Sorry to hear about the bullshit in your sport.
@turbo-bike7999
@turbo-bike7999 13 күн бұрын
For what it’s worth…Byron Hines is a very nice person at track. Years ago he took time out to chat with me about his endeavors into a Yamaha FJ engine based street race engine. I also witnessed another Pro Stock team needing clutch plates and asked a VH crew if they could spare a set. The VH crew member didn’t give the guy any plates and sent him on his way. When the crew member told Byron what had transpired, I heard Byron tell him….You should have given the guy clutch plates. This was the VH team’s direct competition and Byron was more than willing to help. I don’t pretend to know what politics are running but I will say….Byron is a hellava guy!!!!👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
@steveyork8069
@steveyork8069 Ай бұрын
There’s no controversy,there’s only the biggest ego in NHRA not winning anymore,getting beat every weekend,win he’s not winning he is always crying foul,and protesting.😭
@chriskayler5849
@chriskayler5849 3 күн бұрын
Negative we can tell you don’t know nothing. Go back and look everytime Matt ran and won rules were added but not with Vance and Hines
@vehdynam
@vehdynam Ай бұрын
So sad when things like this happen. I think it is unfortunate and needs to be corrected. I agree with Matt.
@jeremyfisher8782
@jeremyfisher8782 Ай бұрын
The longer I watch ... the more interested I am ... I love these guys/girls -- way to call out the lack of parity. Didn't realize there were so many shady things going on with the NHRA Motorcycle class. They are basically allowing one side of the aisle to do whatever they want? How long until the other side says "screw this -- we aren't ever going to be treated equally". Crazy stuff.
@follkiej
@follkiej Ай бұрын
Great stuff!!
@tmr626
@tmr626 Ай бұрын
NHRA should create a rule that if you are to race in Pro/Stock you should be made to sell parts to competitors even if you are the only one to make them. Anyone giving NHRA a cheque for a million dollars every year knows it's a bribe.
@garypurnell5948
@garypurnell5948 Ай бұрын
Matt wasn't crying and belly aching when he was winning!!!! Matt is not going to sell anyone what he has. He said he would sell you an S&S head with blank cams. How is that any different? Quit crying and get to work, period. His short times weren't there, so that's V&H and NHRAs fault as well, please!!!!
@boomslang1118
@boomslang1118 Ай бұрын
How long have you been employed with Vance and Hines?
@dg8062
@dg8062 Ай бұрын
Couldn't agree with you more but geez that busa is absolutely beautiful. TOTALLY unfair though, NHRA does need to step in.
@PatBrady0113
@PatBrady0113 Ай бұрын
Matt Smith 4 life!!! Its all about the money V&H pushes under the table to NHRA!!!
@jerrycoon3369
@jerrycoon3369 Ай бұрын
Maybe it's evolving into a pro mod bike class. If it's going to be "pro stock" you can't have billet engines.
@backroadbeetle4781
@backroadbeetle4781 Ай бұрын
dude I always thought it was stock casings, shits aren't "stock" in any way whatsoever. Kills innovation.
@jerrycoon3369
@jerrycoon3369 Ай бұрын
@@backroadbeetle4781 You're right. The manufacturers aren't as involved as they used to be. Maybe thats why its the suzuki harley show. Why would kawasaki or yamaha even try to invest to get into it? I have been thinking about it and I think the only factory parts on those bikes is the headlight and tail light. I'm not hating on the class. They are really flying but it's not really pro "stock."
@kylewest7449
@kylewest7449 Ай бұрын
Ricky Smith isn’t scared to tell it
@demarionabram1393
@demarionabram1393 Ай бұрын
I remember meeting Angie Smith last year in Charlotte, I’m hoping to meet Matt this year in Charlotte at the four wide nationals
@trentcarlson4857
@trentcarlson4857 Ай бұрын
Your right this Is an I opener to the casual fan but really is discussing!!! NHRA/ Vance & Hines Do the right thing!!!!!
@waltmann66
@waltmann66 Ай бұрын
Mr.Ricky Smith is 100% right!!😎👊🏾🌱
@h-townautomotivetraining8219
@h-townautomotivetraining8219 Ай бұрын
Not running the bikes at all events also kill the class. Like your info and background you bring to NHRA !
@palugi03tt
@palugi03tt Ай бұрын
Isnt this something that has been happening on both sides? I remember harleys dominating because a rule change was needed
@waltmann66
@waltmann66 Ай бұрын
You are right!Its k-lling the class of pro stock motorcycle.😎👊🏾🌱
@ralphkizzee3193
@ralphkizzee3193 Ай бұрын
Ricky is the man. Love his truthfulness.
@mikeskidmore6754
@mikeskidmore6754 Ай бұрын
In the Automotive Industry there are so many Aftermarket head and Crank Builders.. that you have choices for your parts sources..
@exothermal.sprocket
@exothermal.sprocket Ай бұрын
When a corporation obtains enough power and control, they can also control the information (which is power), and they can right their own ethics and eliminate their own consequences.
@californiabbq532
@californiabbq532 Ай бұрын
I like this! Everybody is saying the quiet part out loud!!!
@vanslawson2329
@vanslawson2329 Ай бұрын
There's not one person in the V Twin camp that can build something better than V&H. Ricky Smith needs to be the President of NHRA.
@timjenkins6049
@timjenkins6049 Ай бұрын
I remember when Ricky Smith would speak against unfair rules in other classes, he too was more often than not, correct. When Matt brings up points of contention he is also more often than not, correct. There will always be teams and manufacturers that have a favored advantage in NHRA.
@582motorsports8
@582motorsports8 Ай бұрын
Make the class based on 1000cc production engines.... and the equivalent for any v twin.... that way every manufacturer could have a bike in it
@fueljunkieracing3667
@fueljunkieracing3667 Ай бұрын
I've been around drag racing for 54 years and this video is exactly what I've been thinking for the past 24 months. NHRA/V&H is wrecking the Pro Bike class. Not much point in watching the bike class right now. Rickie Smith is the man for not beating around the bush (Matt being his son or not).
@user-eh5cr4or6k
@user-eh5cr4or6k Ай бұрын
Hate to say it I see both sides of it but I don't believe anybody should able to Corner the market on parts. For whatever reason or excuse they have its not good for the sport. if that means going back to mandating stock cases cranks and heads then that's what they need to do.
@stevewelborn8744
@stevewelborn8744 Ай бұрын
That is insane. It's crap like that that will destroy the class. I used to do 4 cylinder engines that dominated a class racing dirt track. I also raced a car in the class. I sold customers the exact same thing I had. It's the only right thing to do.
@sunset1300
@sunset1300 Ай бұрын
The fields are going to get smaller. I just don't find NHRA that interesting anymore. Just look at the crowds, they have shrunk. I used to watch it on TV, I don't care anymore.
@quiettime6871
@quiettime6871 Ай бұрын
Sorry we missed seeing you at the finals
@natebuiltit5158
@natebuiltit5158 Ай бұрын
Has anyone with Vance & Hines parts won a championship other than the Vance & Hines bikes? If not then I think some serious investigating needs to go into Vance & Hines. At the same time kind of a double edged sword. Vance & Hines has put countless dollars into R&D to be where they are today. Why should they just hand that out to the public when racing and winning races is part of their business? To me NHRA needs to handle the parody for the class better and the other riders need to fight more for r&d programs that have nothing to do with Vance & Hines like what S&S did. If you feel you’re being treated wrong then stop buying their product.
@JeffKopis
@JeffKopis Ай бұрын
"parity". Parody means "making fun of".
@Sully4Real
@Sully4Real Ай бұрын
So glad somebody finally spoke up about this situation! You sir are the man! Thank you for opening up some eyes to this controversy.
@cm-oo1td
@cm-oo1td 3 күн бұрын
Look at those big lines for autographs..... Four people 😂
@GTGibbs
@GTGibbs Ай бұрын
These are interesting conversations. I’m curious why NHRA did not address these stats in the off season. I don’t follow drag racing much these days, the shade tree guys got pushed out a while ago. Racing is a manufacturing company compitition. Personally I don’t agree with any Rent a Racer policy especially when a single company looks to be competing unfairly. But just a fan these days. I do have more respect for this commentator lately. He speaks up out of love for the sport.
@happydays8171
@happydays8171 Ай бұрын
2:52 That race Rivas went on to the final to race Eddie Kraewick, beat Eddie, 6:92 to a 7:07. Kraewick went on to win the championship without winning a race, 2nd time that happened in NHRA history. Craig Trebel in the race you showed was actually a paid Vance & Hines rider for the race as a blocker. He was on one of Matt Hines Suzuki frames that he'd won a his last championship on, Craig said that frame was best he'd ever ridden, glided down the track.
@tools6106
@tools6106 Ай бұрын
Make the teams run stock cases, stock cranks, heads whatever. No more cnc billet engines! Make it so average people can buy a engine and bike combo. Put TF 500 inch nitro in a bike and see who can stay on it!😃
@mikeskidmore6754
@mikeskidmore6754 Ай бұрын
Also with CNC and Billet Metal and Aluminum ..
@TheDragonlair68
@TheDragonlair68 Ай бұрын
Congratulations ANGIE, The first race back is hard now just rinse and repeat
@mrnimbus730
@mrnimbus730 Ай бұрын
Why complain about the performance advantage. Is developing own parts forbidden? Why the reliance on Vance? I don't get it
@cub67
@cub67 Ай бұрын
Smith is outrunning all the other V Twins and the other v twin teams arent complaining.
@Rabimp
@Rabimp 21 күн бұрын
So who's stopping the other teams from developing their own engine parts to compete with V&H?
@mrwhite2628
@mrwhite2628 Ай бұрын
The NHRA has run its course. Just look at the stands at any national event. Most fans are dressed up as empty seats. It will not ever get better at this point. The Harley dominate years in PSB has always been a joke to fans that understand the class. All bikes should have the same size engine. And the same weight. Let the chips fall as they may.
@user-eh5cr4or6k
@user-eh5cr4or6k Ай бұрын
They need to go back to stock cranks cases and heads.
@LitByNoon-rx4ce
@LitByNoon-rx4ce Ай бұрын
Good watch
@patrickbachman2184
@patrickbachman2184 Ай бұрын
Look to V&H,Suzuki,&NHRA ,then follow the money.
@ohwell2790
@ohwell2790 Ай бұрын
Only solution is to have 2 classes for V twins and one for 4 cylinder bikes. Penalizing one to make the other competitive is not the answer. I can't win so make the other bike slower, in my opinion that is just wrong. And to call one H-D and the other Suzuki is just stupid. Neither bike is even close to a factory machine. There is not one factory part in either bike. And call them Pro Stock where is the stock not even close.
@benrossbach6501
@benrossbach6501 Ай бұрын
So if there's a single supplier, there should be some sort of claimed type rule.
@DJ-yp4kc
@DJ-yp4kc Ай бұрын
Do an Engine Claimer Rule.....it will police itself
@oldudesrule
@oldudesrule 28 күн бұрын
All I heard was gimme, gimme, gimme.... Then.... I'll give you Matt 's blank cams but you have to give me the head you developed instead of a base head. Then, "I'm not crying!' while crying... V&H got where they are by working there butt's off. So does this mean that if Pat Musi sells you a engine he also has to tell every trick he uses to make his cars win. No, You buy his motor and you develop your own program. Or you can Whine a lot and lose.
@1sir-onworld
@1sir-onworld Ай бұрын
🐝🏁 Great video 👍
@hanley7707
@hanley7707 Ай бұрын
What Matt is saying is absolutely done in Pro Mod and FSS. So strange it's not being done in PSB.
@donlunn792
@donlunn792 Ай бұрын
Being a Brit, who loves watching this sport.What i cannot understand is! Is there a ruling that prohibits other manufacturers entering the arena? If there is no such restriction then surely the money that is in this sport would allow someone to have their own Machine shop,and sell their products to other teams. I think that in modern times the vehicles,Cars or bikes should be equal and allow the drivers/Riders to display their skills. I know a lot of people would find this boring. But surely this would be true competition? If that means that someone becomes dominant! Then they receive a weight penalty.As in Horse Racing. Modern Motorsport is ! Who has the best facilities,Who has the most money.
@rickeaton5288
@rickeaton5288 Ай бұрын
Vance and Hines have always had the advantage of NHRA rules in their favor.
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