Conversations With History: Pakistan with Anatol Lieven

[@harshbhandari9070]

5:50 religious diversity and power structures 9:36 11:30 compromise processes 15:11 British Police Act Colonial Corruption 32:20 Kashmir 33:31 Indian vs Pakistani Military and Kashmir Compromise 35:00 Afghanistan and Taliban 37:00 Military and ISI 45:00 Pak Military and America

[@dxsaqibdy]

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[@abidrehman6274]

Quality discussion from the author! I found majority of his comments accurate and thoroughly researched...(coming from a Pakistani)

[@adnan1414114sivia]

Very impressive discussion I heard first time of any foreign person who speaking about Pakistan 100% truth

[@demdox]

Excellent Analysis, give or take this analysis is very accurate and reflects the actual situation of Pakistani society.

[@1SuperLOL]

This mans understanding of Pakistan is phenomenal for a western expert.

[@kianzechariah9181]

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[@165Dash]

Harry Kreisler asks great questions. He is a excellent interviewer and allows his guests to the space and time to cover a broad range of interrelated issues. A lot was covered in 60 minutes.

[@zuhaibali9447]

I read half of his book I am very very impressed. Such a great job he has done. Great analysis is done 👍 thumbs up

[@Hassan_Rajput_PAS]

Pakistan is described as a “negotiated state,” where the balance of power and the negotiation between different societal groups are key to maintaining stability.

[@jamilhaider3690]

I appreciate this journalist's efforts.Fabulous piece of work done by him .

[@zulfiqarhashim1376]

Excellent Analysis, give or take this analysis is very accurate and reflects the actual situation of Pakistani society. I second that esp the kinship ties

[@mogligondorff8700]

I love that he is blowing off steam through his nose from time to time like a little dragon.

[@CaptainHarlock-kv4zt]

Lol

[@KeithWilliamMacHendry]

What a braw English lad is Anatol, born a week after me, loads of respect from a Scot. 🙏🏻

[@sufianansari4923]

That's some funky 80's nostalgia hitting you in the titles

[@aal-e-ahmadhussain3123]

Super important to read Professor Wael Hallaq’s book, “Sharia: Theory, Practice, Transformations” (Cambridge University Press, 2009) Institutions born of one regime of sense/Tradition cannot easily be transplanted and imposed on a place and populace of an entirely different regime of sense/Tradition - except where blind colonial attempts to brute-force it take place unsuccessfully and unsustainably over long periods of time.

[@atharbasit9223]

Very good analysis, holistic information regarding Pakistan, summarieses a 360 view of Pakistan's working.

[@bilal59446]

One of the few Western thinkers, who has an incisive and in depth understanding of Pakistan. I really admire the way he appreciates and understands the societal fabric of Pakistan which almost all the world is oblivious of. He praised the presence of a very well organized and efficient department, the Army and is aware of the importance of Army and its involvement in the state matters. People need to remember, we have a mandatory Military presence in Pakistan, because we were born to survive. State of Pakistan has been at war, ever since its birth. Pakistani nationalism doesn't fall under the same category as nationalism usually does fall in. Religion is an innate trait instilled in the hearts and souls of general public and is above national identity. I would recommend his book and research to anyone who wants to understand Pakistan and misconceptions about it. That shall clear a lot of the things up.

[@theallseeingeye9388]

Interesting mind set. Born to survive. Hence we needed a mandatory military presence? Where would have the military gone had it not been asked or allowed to be present? Would it have gone back to protecting the countries borders and help with humanitarian needs in and around Pakistan? Who would build a ship and fit a gun that is big enough to sink it as soon as it sails? Not even navys that know the ship is going to be engaged from day 1 and they are going to need all the firepower they can fit on it.

[@rashidahmadyousfzai7794]

I would say this guy understands Pakistan more than any other foreigner I've ever read or heard... though he has missed many points and has not completely comprehended many things...

[@Hassan_Rajput_PAS]

10:57 every province of Pakistan is internally ethnically divided they are not a monolithic unit

[@Hassan_Rajput_PAS]

12:55 Tax …..

[@MrAJDurrani]

Very correct and informative exchange, thank you!

[@Hassan_Rajput_PAS]

9:17 two sources of partial modernity

[@javaidiqbal2149]

Very much like this book True reflection of strengths and weaknesses of Pakistan

[@najaziz08]

Somewhat dated but nevertheless excellent & still relevant analysis of some of the most pressing problems & political situation in Pakistan. Including relationships with some of its neighbours and wider outside world particularly USA. Don’t expect to see such clarity and honesty from the the Pakistani establishment or its journalists. They’re more likely say what their paymasters tell them to say who may be the military or political classes. Furthermore their educational system, with the exception of the few establishments, is not geared for a questioning or analytical approach to society or its norms. I say this as child of immigrants from Pakistan educated in the UK. Therefore able to see the country in a detached non emotional way.

[@Drzhivago11]

very impressive author.

[@hassanrajput9576]

38:07 ISI is the military institution it cannot devise its own policies. Used it as a convenient lever to evade responsibilities

[@KeithWilliamMacHendry]

Harry's a good guy

[@shahidarazak3402]

FOR Western audience , Pakistan's nationalism comes under umbrella of Islam , Whether they are Punjabies, pushtoon, Sindhi or Urdu speakers they all are united with one kalima " there is no god but Allah and Mohammed peace be upon him is the messenger of Allah'

[@hassanrajput9576]

The disproportionate pharaonic chunk of budget in addition with commercial adventures the military officials are awarded with a massive portion of land, thus stopping them from corruption, but the Police has to raise money by perversion to secure their retirement.

[@Hassan_Rajput_PAS]

9:01 9:09

[@Hassan_Rajput_PAS]

8:26

[@jawadtlg]

interesting........

[@afrasiyabkhan1893]

24:00 corruption of Army officer and police

[@hassanrajput9576]

26:17 military morale

[@scienceandphilo]

His book is more clearer than his voice.

[@breezeanonymous6034]

Only Pakistan doesn't have British India police system, India has the same. The reason is both India and Pakistan are British colonial creations.

[@umbertodferrari]

Since when did the Taliban become Wahabi? I thought they were a radical faction of the Deobandis.

[@bilal59446]

Its almost the same concept. Think of Deobands/Wahabis as Iconoclasts/Orthodox Christians and Barelvis as Catholics. And please, none of them are radical. Its the small minority of people and their heinous actions that are radical. Deoband Madrassas(Schools) were and still are funded by Saudi Arabia who practice the Salafi/Wahabi faction of Islam. Once again, its very complicated yet very simple. For you, it will be tough to understand. Pakhtoons, Afghans and Islam, the western profound concepts of Nationalism do not apply to them the same way. Only Pakistanis can understand and run Pakistan. The crux of the discussion. PS. We do NOT want to bomb India, we want you to be our peaceful neighbor, and as peaceful neighbor, we must resolve the Kashmir Issue according to the will of the Kashmiri people. If they side with India, so be it, its their right, but first let us get there. Otherwise, insurgency from both sides is gonna keep on continuing.

[@165Dash]

@@bilal59446 Good answer.

[@Khan12078]

they seem to like taking credit for everything

[@hassanrajput9576]

The State is too weak to force these powerful groups to abandon tax evasion. The money is redistributed to the political kinship (followers) because this is how the stability of political conservatism is maintained or has been maintained

[@abuhamza1970]

Yes the country is hard even harsh in many aspects, but its this harshness which makes the people stronger than its adversaries. The only thing holding back the Pakistani people is the absence of significant land reform. If you think of the concept of a rotten borough where the landowner owns the voters and the elected official, then Pakistan is a rotten country. Its hope in the future is not in western style democracy, nor in tribal allegiances but rather to fulfil its destiny as a muslim state

[@coreycox2345]

What kind of land reforms do they need, abuhamza1970?

[@CaptainHarlock-kv4zt]

What is the destiny of a Muslim state according to the Quran?

[@theallseeingeye9388]

​@@coreycox2345feudal hereditary landlords own literally every usable inch while the population living on it are still playing the role of serfs under the same terms, bondage debt slavery is still widely practiced. The feudal landlords are inter related and connected with the military and political elites.. These feudal landlords were the original sponsors and funders of the infamous Afghani Mujahideen. Not to chase the russians out because of any sense of nationalism but because of the upcoming land retorms and redistribution. The Brits gave Pakistanis independence to the same ckub of Anglophiles and British educated local elites who were already part of the local members employed by or for the colonial administration office.

[@coreycox2345]

@@theallseeingeye9388 Thank you.

[@hassanrajput9576]

38:55

[@cuteasduc]

You have no right to keep that surname. None. Don't care if you call me racist or whatever ( and I hate casteism to the core) It's because you have no idea about the history and honor with surname

[@faz201]

british didnt do shitt, its our tribes who fought the first war in 1948 for pak, da army british gave us refused to fight against india, so we made our army by ourselfs n with the help of many nations( military aids or buying weapons).

[@rajkrish9156]

Why are u fighting with india ? to get freedom??

[@rashidabbasy1]

@@rajkrish9156 ?

[@romm2885]

@@rajkrish9156 Fighting against proxies funded by Indians in the shape of TTP and BLA. More importantly, 1971 episode which Indian media and state reminds us every year on 16th of December.

[@hassanrajput9576]

15:00 vvvv impppppp

[@sailordoc2007]

Not bad... but the man’s snorting and puffing is a distraction

[@hassanrajput9576]

11:47 v imp

[@hassanrajput9576]

5:20

[@SK-kh2rs]

Cheers for ruining the comment section

[@Hassan_Rajput_PAS]

335 Million by 2050 World Bank

[@hassanrajput9576]

14:03

[@maxmyers7205]

19:56

[@RoninxDD]

Niguh!

[@hassanrajput9576]

Conservatism is the main problem of Pakistani society but urbanisation changing these but gradually

[@aal-e-ahmadhussain3123]

Anything resembling “western modernity”, such as urbanisation and secularisation, will strain the social fabric and ecological/economic security of any country (Pakistan being no exception) just as it is doing so in the West. It’s a tricky problem.

[@hassanrajput9576]

8:27 vimp

[@hassanrajput9576]

Only Pakistan can govern Pakistan not Indian not the US

[@ReadyFreddy1011]

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[@Hassan_Rajput_PAS]

6:04 Diversity

[@hassanrajput9576]

40:47 Taliban

[@hassanrajput9576]

Pakistan biggest problem 12:55

[@hassanrajput9576]

18:59 women

[@Hassan_Rajput_PAS]

40:45

[@hassanrajput9576]

29:45

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6:36

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7:15

[@Hassan_Rajput_PAS]

11:50