News Roundup: SBC, Greear, Muslims Worship Same God? Master's University, Cross Con

[@martygriffin1820]

JD Greear appeals to women and soft handed men, but has no place in the Christianity that will disciple the nations, teaching them to obey all that Jesus commanded us.

[@karlernstbuddenbrock371]

Thanks Jon. This is Karl from South Africa. Wonderful podcast. You make things very clear.

[@kat-75]

The muslims may" think" they worship the same God, but truthfully their idol is a a dead prophet, false or not, and they think Jesus Christ was just a mere prophet which is a lie.

[@georgefredericks9075]

JD Greear is wrong. Islam is not worshipping the right God in a wrong manner. After working for 14 years as the researcher and and a main speaker at the Holy Land Experience, I worked heavily on this topic of what god is being worshipped. When we give credence to the false religion of Islam, and try to Christianize Islam, we have a problem. JD Greear, ever since he came on the horizon after he became the SBC president, has demonstrated a softness toward sin and false doctrines. He got very angry at me when I questioned him in 2020. He had his assistant call me and chastise me about watching KZbin videos like yours. I agree with another SBC leader whom you would know when he told me, "JD Greear and many SBC leaders like him have great breadth but very little depth." Unfortunately, JD Greear has not changed. So sad.

[@mtrobbi2]

Yeah, I went to Summit from 2010 to 2015 and saw red flags as early as 2013 as I was growing in my own discernment. Tragic, but any pastor that follows the corporate model for church will end up worldly and compromised. Megan Basham's book "Shepherds for Sale" does much to vindicate how I saw things, except she's well spoken and has the papertrail to back it up.

[@conceptualclarity]

I heard clips from the JD Greear joint appearance with a Muslim clergyman in 2020 on the Janet Mefferd show. The Muslim was very assertive on behalf of his faith and Greear by contrast was puke-worthy with his obsequiousness. This is very much in keeping with Greear adopting a broader progressive mindset. Just like he said about the rainbow "community" in 2014, Greear said that Christians should "support the Muslim community". (I don't know anything in the agenda of CAIR that Christians should support rather than oppose.) To the extent that Niel Shenvi functions as a JD Greear apologist I believe he undermines himself as a Christianity apologist. Most Southern Baptists I think have no idea what has been going on in their denomination for the past 7 years: the horrid doctrinal, cultural, and ethical rot, and the end of the Conservative Resurgence and its replacement with a very real Liberal Resurgence. People who want to stay in the SBC need to inform themselves about these things and spread the word to other Southern Baptists.

[@ryankirst8150]

I was at Cross Con. I find it funny that Platt calls people to do what he refuses to do.

[@Robin-bq1zq]

JD loves the sound of his own words.

[@christinegradymiller1719]

It's NOT A DEAD HORSE, JOHN! Keep talking about it!!

[@karenthornton6330]

Thank you for covering these Baptist ministries that are comparmized. I share these with my ladies bible study teachers to ensure they are aware of the false messages.

[@jamiesmith9827]

I am surprised people are still platforming Platt with everything coming out he is unqualified to be a pastor as he is not above reproach

[@conceptualclarity]

It is beyond scandalous

[@larrylafferty3836]

i remember platt incourage people to vote for bidein saying a vote for biden would slow down abortion now look at his vp pick the most radical pro abortion picks when heard platt say that i said this pastor has zero discernment and should not be a pastor yet i know christians that voted for biden and now harris because they wher listening to this guy and Greer one of these guys TEACHes my Bible study class apparently has no issue with a pro abortion party

[@cat-bg3rv]

It is sickening. 🤢

[@Actualchristianity]

Guys. Y’all gotta see that Wes Huff Joe Rogan podcast if y’all haven’t.

[@nathanhimbeault8433]

Been waiting for that to come out. Been praying for something like this for Joe for a long time!

[@yellomoth]

I like how these people tell us we need to focus on the gospel and not secondary issues. And when they say a gospel issue they just spout heresy. It's almost like these things are related...

[@timgardener2408]

I think it's important to remember that Islam is 500 years post resurrection. It's not a religion of ignorance, it is a deliberate distortion of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Whose deliberation led to the distortion? The answer to that is fairly obvious.

[@shawngillogly6873]

I agree we don't disciple and baptize nations. But that does not mean Christian influence should not permeate every sphere. Including the political. And the Early Baptists would have utterly rejected accepting a secular nation, no matter how cozy Big Eva wants to make itself in one.

[@benny.patsyevans122]

What fellowship hath light with darkness?

[@USMC_Ministries]

I’ll plan to sign up for the conference, not sure I’ll actually be able to make it depending on what is going on, but, we’ll see!

[@kimb2076]

“TO AN UNKNOWN GOD” is where natural law alone can lead you. You recognize there is a Creator but it doesn’t necessarily point one to the one true God.

[@johntobey1558]

Transcendentalism: Emerson, Thoreux. .

[@cat-bg3rv]

That's "General Revelation" in hopes that one sees through it leading them to "Special Revelation" from God's WORD.

[@φιλόθεος]

The God of nature is the One True God. It is true that many specifics such as His triune nature cannot be known from nature, but it is crazy to me to say you cannot know about the true God as the true God from nature.

[@kimb2076]

@φιλόθεος That’s why I qualified with “alone.” Faith comes by hearing and is the whole point of the Great Commission. You can know there is a Creator via general revelation but not know the Person of Jesus Christ required for salvation unless you hear the gospel.

[@jankragt7789]

@φιλόθεος The same is true of the image of God in all humans. Yes, but no. The call is to speak to that need for the gospel without pandering and compromising, or lying, or going along with secular movements of self-righteous globalism. These legacy churches want to ride the coattails of the lying love movements of identity-righteousness and leftist utopia, claiming they are not involved in politics when they are heart and soul given over to the established powers & $$$$$$$ of these ideas and assumptions.

[@shannontederoff246]

Owen Strachen writes for Our Daily Bread. Just received it in the mail. I was surprised.

[@randybrandt6459]

Is that the gay version? ;-)

[@shannontederoff246]

@ definitely not CN friendly I’d guess.

[@mtrobbi2]

CN is the future for Christians in this day and age. Winsomeness is a farce.

[@rockzalt]

When it comes to ministries that specialize in witnessing to Muslims, many of them by ex-Muslim Christians. It is generally agreed upon that the "Islamic Dilemma" is the most effective message to tell a Muslim. There are few YT videos using that title showcasing the argument originally done by Dr. David Wood. It only involves memorizing a few Quran passages, should be simple for the average Pastor's memory.

[@tubalcain6874]

I'm 67 (not an evangelical), and a young friend (27) reached out in real time on Christmas Eve. He was spending the evening with his sister, and they went to her evangelical church. This place meets in an old warehouse complete with a rock band, jumbo boards, strobe lights, and smog machines. After the rock n' roll show the absent pastor popped up on the jumbo boards to give his sermon. My young friend thought he'd hear some type of nativity sermon. But instead this pastor preached on "why we can't hold women accountable for having high body counts". Evangelicals , and their soft posturing clergymen (and I suppose clergywomen) are 🤡 world in my book.

[@JRRodriguez-nu7po]

Evangelical no longer is an useful word. The definition has become unclear.

[@martygriffin1820]

They are clowns entertaining goats, and bare no resemblance to Christianity. It makes me sick.

[@conceptualclarity]

Sounds like an Emergent church from "Progressive Christianity" rather than an evangelical Church.

[@jdschauss]

Condoning sin is anti-evangelical. Perhaps you witnessed some type of seeker sensitive movement exhibition, but that was no evangelical church.

[@WTHenry2023]

Correct, "they" are not held accountable for for, nic, ation nor chyld sac, ri, fyce. Revelation 3:9 They are the new "den of the enemy". John 14:15 If you love me, follow my commandments.

[@graysonbr]

The clips that you have played of Greear over the past three years have made me see a totally different side of Greear and how sloppy of theologian he is. He is making absolutely no sense in these clips. Seem to have a totally people pleasing woke leaning approach. Really lacks a fear of Adonai. You know there were times when Billy Graham seemed to lose proper theologic logic when interviewed as well. Never understood that either.

[@φιλόθεος]

De Young gets it exactly backwards to his embarrassment. His critique is that Wolfe makes the Church subservient to society as a handmaiden to build the civil kingdom. But Wolfe's view is that civil life must (an ethical imperative) point to and guide towards heavenly life. It is impossible to read CCN and not understand this. It is also literally page one of many a classic moral theology where the natural and supernatural ends of man are related to one another in this order.

[@CoffeyPowell]

Mark Devers ....met him in 1995 in Lynchburg at Founders Conference. What happened to him? He was on the right path.

[@cat-bg3rv]

1 Timothy 4:1 (warning of the apostasy)

[@AdamCress]

Jon, have you heard of The Pillar Network as a mission organization (affiliate of SBC churches)? If so, can you point to any positive or negative aspects?

[@Via-Moderna]

It is essential in considering the relationship between Church and Kingdom, that we think in terms of the Kingdom of God (related to the covenant of Grace) and NOT the Kuyperian , neutral, third-covenant kingdom. The R2K people are all Kuyperian, three covenant people, not Reformed, in their essential position, and are therefore unable to think of the Kingdom in Biblical terms. Instead they think of the kingdom as something that runs on its own track (the common covenant) with a completely distinct basis from God's redemptive program.

[@anitasmith203]

Good luck with that mr.greear. what a sad compromise.

[@EarlHildebrandt]

A lamb raised in a pen smiling at the wolves. When two worldviews clash, there are always those who seek an orderly resolution out of a misplaced belief that the other side is as interested in a peaceful life as they are.

[@larrylafferty3836]

What Greer think that my Bible study teacher uses all of greers Commentary Maybe that explains why the teacher voted for Biden He seems to be compromised politically speaking

[@nathanhimbeault8433]

@@larrylafferty3836I’d say so…

[@nathanhimbeault8433]

@@larrylafferty3836no wonder Jesus and the Apostles warned us about false teachers so many times

[@JonathanGrandt]

6:50 it’s funny how these tactics only really actually work on people who really do want to know God more… because if they didn’t care to know God they wouldn’t give a rip and wouldn’t even be there. And people who desire God are His sheep and they hear His voice. Sure we need reminders… absolutely. … but the wolves are lining their pockets on the good nature of the sheep.

[@XtremelyDad]

My comment to Shenvi shows up at minute 46 I’m still not clear on what Shenvi was going for, but he did say that God does not accept the worship of non-Christians (including Muslims)

[@ScottCStew]

I can see where Greear is coming from. I heard a Conservative Baptist teach the same thing 20 years ago who graduated from TMU. I don’t agree with the idea, but that view has been in evangelical circles for a long time.

[@lewisedwards4058]

Per the point of getting milk and nothing else: We keep nipping at the leaves of the issue instead of cutting down the tree and tearing out the roots as well. Intellectualism is despised amongst Conservatism unfortunately because of the corruption of academia and science, so any discussion of deeper things- at least at the local church- is met with sneers, dismissiveness or even hostility.

[@mrs.ingham]

52:42-53:11: Yeah… ask the woman who’s a seminary professor whether it’s right to counsel people to view God as their mother…

[@NicholaiGuerranov]

1 John 1:22-24 “22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.” This right here debunks the argument that Christians, Muslims, and Jews worship the same God.

[@luftstanza]

It’s totally unsurprising that so many pastors apparently can’t comprehend when it comes to Wolfe’s book.

[@dingotomtom]

So how do I explain this to my sister? Cuz she says that if you say No, Christians and Muslims do not worship the same God. She says that if u say that, then ghat means you think there is more than one god. How do I get her to see it correctly. We absolutely DO NOT worship the same god.

[@CoCo8102.]

John 4 “Sir, I perceive that you are a prophet. 20 Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you say that in Jerusalem is the place where people ought to worship.” 21 Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. 24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”

[@danielpasula6860]

Islam says Allah is the God of Abraham The Bible says Yahweh is the God of Abraham, and Jesus said He is Yahweh. How then do Jews and Muslims worship Yahweh?

[@Tigerex966]

Is not Greer calvinist Islam also believes in divine determinism fatalism same God not the God of the Bible

[@elijahgrajkowski2505]

The kingdom of God or the kingdom of heaven that Christ speaks about often in the gospels includes both the church and the civil/cultural realm.

[@shannontederoff246]

Modern theonomists don’t want to expand the ecclesiology as I understand it.

[@thomasmaier8906]

Get organized. Spend some time preparing. Don’t ramble just to fill time.

[@TeamWilsonCT]

Between DeYoung and Wolfe it seems like we are missing culture… Cultures can be and are transformed by the Gospel ‘ so that you can have a Christian culture within a non Christian Nation. We have nations that are amalgamations of cultures. Kind of a reinvention of the wheel.

[@TeamWilsonCT]

As Greear makes clear, we need to stop conflating American Culture with Christian Culture. Culture can be transformed by the Gospel. Muslim cultures would need to stop being Muslim to worship the True God.

[@steffanrhoads1870]

our religious freedom is Christian not some other. we don’t believe in the same god as their scripture is false.

[@tonyasawyer6354]

JD Greear-what a bunch of word salad. The Gospel is simple-just share it. If you don’t trust Jesus Christ as your Savior, then you will go to Hell…

[@cat-bg3rv]

Top Notch comment ✅

[@mikeyonce2323]

Mark Dever??? 🙄Mercy.....

[@sanders194539]

I go to a church that holds Mark Dever in very high regard, and I think I know exactly what the problem is: people are beholden to their careers, and are in compromised positions. It is almost impossible for someone working in DC to not be faced with major challenges to their integrity. So you get compromise.

[@DrGero15]

Muslims and Jews do, however, worship the same God.

[@Playlist849236]

Did all this start before or after Johnny's favorite finger?

[@Playlist849236]

Is it possible that Master's seminary is hiding it's true self until the passing of JM? A friend of mine was going to a church about 5 years ago. They voted in a man from there who turned out woke.

[@hmommy3]

Oh dear.

[@marshallalbritton9521]

A great podcast. You need to keep up with guys like Grear. I can’t because I lose brain cells doing it. But your every so often reminders are perfect. Also, I believe all Christian ministries should make a conscious effort to stop platformimg anyone who sounds effeminate (a la DeYoung)

[@thediamondcreeper7566]

Greear sounded so weak, did he even share the gospel with the muslim man?

[@scottleonard5818]

Wow. All due respect, you are incredibly condescending and you really misrepresented what JD Greer was trying to get across that message you aired where he was speaking to the Muslims present. He said that he felt that Muslims were above Christians. That was clearly not what he was saying. He was saying that there are qualities that Muslims have that Christians could learn from. BTW, you may know that the Easterners often times are way ahead of Easter when it comes to hospitality.

[@CoffeyPowell]

I have heard that the Koran wasn't bound together until 1923 AD or a little over 100 years ago.

[@JonathanGrandt]

Didn’t CS Lewis play around with this stuff in The Last Battle? The whatsit people… the Calormenes? Where like they were serving Aslan and blah blah blah…

[@hmommy3]

No, The Last Battle clearly depicted a Demon god (Tash) being worshipped by the Calormens. Lewis’s point was that it was not an imaginary god that could swap out for the True God; instead, it was an actual evil entity who destroyed the people who gave it worship. What you may be remembering is the individual character named Emit, who by his conscience and his actions showed that he did not serve evil, though he only knew The Only God Worth Serving by an evil name out of ignorance….His actions against the flow of evil men proved that his heart was seeking, and seeking to serve The True God. Therefore, when he met The True God, he received the Desire of his heart (eternity with He Who is The Way, The Truth and The Life). In these dark times, The Last Battle is worth a re-read. EDITED to add: Psalm 34 is an excellent parallel study to The Last Battle. (Evil will slay the Wicked.)

[@JonathanGrandt]

I wear heavyweight flannels like it’s 1990. I dunno if that is millennial cool…

[@babidee14531]

Take a look at...The Last Reformation.

[@elainelight9286]

He doesn’t appeal to me and I’m a woman.

[@DeborahParrish-z1h]

You really need to be careful using words like “feud” when referring to different ministries that may disagree on different issues.