The Asbury Revival: Is it Real?

Jon talks to Pastors Jerry Dorris and Austin Keeler about their experience at the "Asbury Revival."
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[@Derekmartin20]

Without the True Gospel It's nothing but emotional.

[@KM-zn3lx]

I agree.

[@KateWils1]

My prayer is that the adults in leadership will be convicted of their responsibility to protect these precious young people from the infiltration of false teachings and deceptions of the enemy of their souls.

[@kevbo7733]

Amen!!!

[@sharonh.harris1924]

It's really the work of the Holy Spirit and not the "adults". Trust in the Holy Spirit and let Him be God.

[@aheartonfire7191]

Too late. The followers of false teacher Daniel Adams were already inside the church and a lady cast out a “demon” and she was apart of Daniel Adams flock

[@kevbo7733]

@@sharonh.harris1924 respectfully, I think you misread Kate's comment before you decided to correct her. To pray that the adults are convicted is definitively calling on God the Holy Spirit to do what he does best. She's not putting it on the adults as you suggested. God uses people, in this case "adults" to shepherd his flock. This is a biblical prayer and we should say amen.

[@jesusisrisen1202]

@@sharonh.harris1924 I believe you’re misconstruing the comment. God uses mature older believers, specifically elders/pastors, to oversee, shepherd and supervise younger believers in the faith. It’s very biblical to pray towards that end. Nowhere in scripture does God normally permit young believers to go unsupervised by older, more mature believers. Furthermore, your comment insinuates a false dichotomy between the Holy Spirit and spirit-filled, mature older believers (I.e., adults). The Holy Spirit works through older, wiser believers to help guide and mentor younger believers in the faith. That should be a normative practice in a biblically healthy Church.

[@erincoates80]

Thank you for this, Jon. I love how Pastor Jerry said revival is happening in his church under the ordinary means of grace, I have always said what happened at GLC when James went to jail was a type of revival. I don’t think I have seen the power of God on display like I did during those months - we saw so many getting saved, renewed zeal for holiness, people not wanting to leave our Sunday services, changes in homes and families, and even an overturn of government leadership. So many (who are actually supporting this revival) mocked us as just wanting attention or having a rebellious spirit but the preaching Christ was central and the gospel went out to millions. I was afraid that so many would fall away, it was a time of heightened emotion but the last 2 years have showed us it was a true work of God and our church only continues to flourish. The testimonies are all the same for the Canadian churches that remained opened.

[@LucianaPelota]

Thank you for sharing, Erin. I thank the LORD for your and James' testimony and faith.

[@erincoates80]

@@LucianaPelota thank you for your encouragement!

[@ConversationsThatMatterpodcast]

This is probably the most encouraging thing I've read all week. It's disappointing coming to the conclusion that something that is so needed is in fact not actually happening. It's a good reminder that God most often uses the small and weak, not the sensational and big.

[@erincoates80]

@@ConversationsThatMatterpodcast well, I’m glad I could be the one encouraging this time! I feel like you definitely out-weigh me in the encouragement department 😂

[@2timothy23]

What a wonderful testimony, Erin; that was very encouraging to read. I really appreciate your husband's preaching and his ministry. I keep you both, your family, and your church in my weekly prayers. God bless.

[@ballbanks]

Time will tell what is taking place at Asbury. Pretty certain the churches of our nation need true revival.

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

Revival begins with Bible study and prayer, not hyped up music and charismatic experiences.

[@colin_priest]

By the false teachers who keep popping up there - time is already telling of its true nature unfortunately

[@laurenkuo2333]

This was so helpful; thank you. I get the impression from what you shared that this "revival" is just the religious arm of our woke culture. The Heidelberg clearly differentiates between sin and misery - sin as rebellion against a holy God that results in misery. It seems that many want deliverance from misery without conviction of sin. Anyone can claim to be a victim of misery - The devil doesn't mind us being delivered from misery as long as it doesn't lead to deliverance from sin and his tyranny over us.

[@littlebird7226]

Sin is not loving God or loving your neighbor. That’s Sin! God gave us the Commandments to show us how to love! If you don’t understand this you do not understand the Spirit of the law, which most of the Israelites failed to do.

[@designbuild7128]

@@littlebird7226 While what you said is true, it seems there is more that Lauren is saying. The problem is that no one can keep the law or love as commanded. And not doing God's commands is a sign of not loving Him (sin entered the world from a fairly innocuous event- eating from a tree- from a human perspective, but not God's). We are called to be holy and perfect as the Father is, yet fall short; hence the need for conviction, confession, and accepting Christ and His work. True revival is a corporate version of what needs to happen to each one of us individually, hopefully allowing for the shaping of church and culture in God's way and with humility realizing what God did for us through salvation. But, in addition, many people look for salvation (from misery, consequences, or situation) without fully accepting His whole law, accepting His desire to recommune with us, or accepting God's provision Christ has provided against judgment and to eternal life. We don't just get along or get by as our preeminent goal. God is not a genie in a bottle to complement our volition; we must come to Him on His terms since He is our creator, all just, and all knowing.

[@duncescotus2342]

Oh the Heidelberg. Yes. Some misery was caused at that time, by Christians, against other Christians. Particularly over differences of agreement about what sin was exactly, and how the remedy worked, and admittedly those are good questions. Please read some more, about the Reformation, about Christian Church history, about war, about poverty, about "misery," a subject toward which Jesus is not silent, and rephrase that comment. You don't want to go to your grave with that in the ether.

[@littlebird7226]

@@designbuild7128 John 6:29 The only work God requires of us to do is to believe in the one he sent. Romans 7:6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. When you serve in the new way of the Spirit you become a slave to God which leads to holiness. Read more on it in Romans 6:15-23 and Romans 7:4-6. The Gospel is not about the law the Gospel is about love, mercy and forgiveness! Once you understand this you begin to serve God in the new way of the Spirit which will lead you to the control of Righteousness which is a natural outcome from this understanding! May the Spirit of Gods Grace be with you. I think it’s good for everyone, to read every passage on grace! It is something a lot of people and Pastors do not understand but I believe God is bringing it into a better understanding; because scripture says we will all be taught by God and it also says it is Gods will then none will be lost. Thy will be done God! Ephesians 2:4-5 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions - it is by grace you have been saved. Ephesians 2:8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith - and this is not from yourselves, it is a gift from God - not by works, so that no one boast.

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

@@littlebird7226 Sin is any violation of the moral law of God. Q. 14. What is sin? A. Sin is any want of conformity unto, or transgression of, the law of God. Westminster Shorter Catechism

[@timoheule]

5 principles of a true revival, from Martyn Lloyd-Jones: 1. There is a recognition of spiritual bankruptcy. 2. The gospel is central to it. 3. It is the work of the Holy Spirit, not human ingenuity. 4. It is a result of prayer. 5. It leads to holiness and obedience.

[@downlow0075]

@timo Heule yes yes yes. So many trying to pick this apart way too soon. Time will tell...and All Testimonies of true repentance are about Jesus. There is no other way you would have revelelation of your sin.

[@gregolson7499]

That is a good list and it seems to meet all of those criteria.

[@SAOProductions1955]

Where is this found in his writings/sermons/publications? I'd like to look it up for my own referencing. Thanks.

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

Except Lloyd-Jones was a charismatic.

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

​@@downlow0075 Time already tells in real time. Fake.

[@noalliances]

Reminds me of youth camps/conferences. Send them off for a week and they return fired up and ready to serve. A week or two passes and that vigor is dead and stays dead.

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

You got it. Empty pablum.

[@sharonh.harris1924]

How do you know each heart? How do you know if it was "dead and stays dead"? How did you determine that? Who set you up as the judge of what happened to every young person who ever went to camps/conferences? That is very arrogant although I'm sure the Holy Spirit has revealed that to you by now. Remember, we don't know each OTHER person, only ourselves. So allow the Holy Spirit, and give Him the dignity, to know each person and their heart and to direct and educate and train them as He did YOU. You didn't come into this world knowing everything about God and the Holy Spirit has taught you. So allow Him the freedom to have done it with those who attended "youth camps/conferences". He can blow on the flame in their hearts, and yours, whenever He wants and you never know when it will catch flame. Has He blown on your heart today?

[@littlebird7226]

Once God has started to do a good work; yes it might fade for a while but, I guarantee you this good work will be reborn. The Scripture says they will all be taught by God.! He might have some more good work to do on you also. So, be open to listening to him!

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

@@littlebird7226 Are you open to the doctrines of sovereign grace taught in the propositions in the Holy Scriptures?

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

@@littlebird7226 2 Peter 3:18 (NKJV): but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

[@whoathatsanicememe3093]

I don't mind "stuffy and"skeptical" if the Truth is being taught. Hell is not pleasant to think about, but it's real, and a loving Christian will tell people that it is a terrifying reality to fall into the wrath of a Living God. I understand being hopeful for what is happening but from what I've watched it doesn't seem like much more than a revival themed party.. sorry, just my opinion. The songs themselves are troubling and they are repetitively singing them over and over.... 😔...I'll pray for those that are there to be convicted to get into the Word and really lean into it.

[@tristen7085]

Last Sunday morning, Alisa Childers went, and she said there were about 20 people there. She has done 2 videos on her experience and her view, which is very similar to yours. She spoke about the wheat and the tares and said time would tell. She also said there was no gospel message as well and encouraged the viewing of the initial message as the gospel wasn't preached. Personally, I wouldn't run to any event like this as I know I can repent in my home, trun from my sin from the conviction of the Holy Spirit here where I'm at. Unfortunately, the young girl who gave her testimony of her time at kona( a highly bethel influenced campus) she did not mention conviction from Holy Spirit or the need to repent. I was in a charismatic church for 16 years and barely ever did they give the gospel message that you need Jesus and to repent of your sins. They always encouraged the laying on of hand of anyone. I won't allow that now that I've left there as you don't know who the person is. I don't want to be critical of the possibility that this is God moving, but I don't understand the hype around revival in the charismatic church. I honestly didn't know biblically what it meant until this week. Charismatic folk don't want to miss out on the feelings and seem to run to this kinda thing. Now Bethel is copying Asbury and that really concerns me. After so many years of false teaching in my church as the leadership worshipped Bill J and Chris V , I'm very much a skeptic. I am so cautious now after all I've experienced. Our church also idolized Todd Bentley and I remember the day it was revealed he was in sin.... it was a huge deal as they had to bring in another pastor from Victoria BC to tell us. I always knew he was crooked but you couldn't any anything to anyone. I'm in Canada and I wouldn't be surprised at all if people have flown there from here. I onow someone who flew to bethel this week because they are claiming revival has broken out there now too.

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

No preaching of the Gospel says it all. False revival. I did 10 years in the Pentecostal/Charismatic movement. It is mostly false teaching.

[@pkmcnett5649]

She went to the wrong church. She went to the seminary, not the university chapel. Methodists, and their sister churches, are NOT charismatic or Pentecostal. I wish people would educate themselves.

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

John 17:17 “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.” King James Version (KJV)

[@brigitpimm8488]

Is the timing along with this film coincidental ?en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Revolution

[@JonJaeden]

Interesting speculation. Attempts to recreate the '60s have been made before. If the movie spawns copycat Jesus Movements -- and especially Lonnie Frisbee wannabee's, it could all turn into theater and farce.

[@brigitpimm8488]

@@JonJaeden we shall see... Or will we even be here?!

[@mikemiller7225]

I think it would help if you watched more of the videos from the revival. I have seen good testimonies emphasizing Jesus and repentance. We must watch and pray this is God and be ready to support.

[@expiringphilosophy7605]

You brothers need to work out a biblical theology of "the flesh" -- sinful passions and desires "are no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me." Entertaining those desires, acting upon them, or not actively warring against them in the Spirit constitutes a committed sin, but the struggle with the flesh is not itself sinful, even though it is proper to confess and repent of evil desires when they are experienced. The flesh *is* an affliction, including same-sex desires. Those desires are evil, and to make any peace with them at all is evil, but the mere fact of being inclined through the dead fallen flesh toward a particular set of sins is not itself a sin. All of which is to say: Asbury and its goings-on aside, the first woman's testimony was, in its actual content, a testimony to God's power to free His people from the bondage of their sin; and the fact that she didn't specifically mention Christ (focusing instead upon the Father, as does the vast majority of the Bible), and that she shared something related to her sanctification instead of her justification, is not remotely objectionable. I only watched twelve minutes of this video, but thus far it seems like you're nitpicking something essentially good, encouraging, and God-glorifying because it doesn't fit with a doctrinaire bullet point list of what a person's "testimony" ought to be (i.e., a bullet point list of facts about forensic imputation).

[@marlenestewart7442]

The campus of Asbury Theological Seminary, which became a separate institution in 1922, is located across the street from Asbury University. It is easy to conflate the two.

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

I did my M.Div. at the seminary. The charismatic movement was strong when I was there. 1992-1995. It was false teaching then and it is the same now.

[@anothermom22]

True revival is all about repentance of sin and the Gospel and the Word of God. Anytime someone rejects God's word, does not want to obey God's commandments but instead wants an emotional experience, that is false revival. I like what Alissa Childers said. Imagine if Bibles were outlawed and destroyed, and people heard of a Bible being found and being read out loud. How many would travel far and wide to hear that? Because that truly is God speaking and we have that now but many reject that and want something new and exciting.

[@davidgodoy826]

Revival is when the Holy Spirit leads to repentance and reveals the Gospel of Jesus Christ dying for our sins and on the third day he conquered death. God gives the gift of faith

[@judithmargret5972]

@@Rightlydividing-wx1xb Charismatics love and label everything revival. It a shortcut in sanctification. They also get most of their ideas from the OT. I also don't see revival in the NT. It's not exciting walking in the Spirit, etc, when someone lives from one experience to the next, waiting for the next move of the Spirit that is supposedly coming their way.

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

Revivals are always founded on the preaching of the law and Gospel, not empty emotionalism.

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

@Christopher Odegard Amen.

[@beaulin5628]

I think that wherever true believers are gathered together to worship it is "the church", the "body of Christ", and Jesus is in their midst, especially considering the vast apostasy among today's "established" churches. It is very hard to find a doctinally-sound church anymore. John Wesley was not allowed to preach in the Anglican Church of his time and had to go out and preach in the public square, like Jesus did. Certainly there are many true believers in the Asbury gathering and we should pray for a true move of God all over the US, not just in Asbury.

[@teresamacleod5231]

I’ve always thought revivals were to revive the church.

[@pkmcnett5649]

That is true! This is why the screaming about whether the lost are being saved or not is misdirection.

[@pkmcnett5649]

@@pardonedrebel8415 wow! The devil is busy with declarations from know-nothing "Christians." Do not watch or go if you do not like it.

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

Revivals are supposed to be evangelistic so that lost sinners are converted and backslidden Christians repent.

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

​@@pkmcnett5649 You had better read the Bible. Try Matthew 28:18-20 and Romans 10.

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

​@Pardoned Rebel Thank you for speaking the truth. The charismatic movement was rampant when I was at Asbury Seminary in 1992-1995.

[@FLIPPER1439]

What I’ve seen here with many videos…I see young people kneeling..praying 🙏 in repentance. PRAISE THE LORD 🙌🏼

[@rubie5501]

What's happening at the campus is better than what we saw at the Satan worship Grammy awards or at the super bowl.

[@solideomusical]

Joel Webbon said they pretty much have these there every year in February. 'Revival on demand'? As soon as someone starts calling their event a 'revival' I become suspicious. Perhaps they would be best categorized as such well after the fact - once their lasting effects can be observed.

[@cosmictreason2242]

Calling it up front is sufficient proof it’s not

[@ryanmckeen9528]

Great discussion and great information. These pastors are a blessing to listen to. Thank you for this!

[@sheilasmith7779]

God must be pulling his hair, that we are even having a discussion about whether the activity in the Kentucky church is a "real," revival. So if we determine it is not a revival, what is it? And if not a revival, but some other spiritual experience, what difference does it make? Bottom line: If we can rule out a Satanic experience, please let's refrain from labels. Thank God, that God is omniscient, otherwise we could never be saved, precisely because of the constant scrutiny of EVERYTHING. This discussion is SO disappointing. How would Jon or anyone know whether there is repentance in the hearts of the attendees? SOME times no opinion or judgement is the best course. Stop the nitpicking nonsense.

[@theelizabethan1]

A psychological experience. This event was initiated among a generation(s) whose socialization has been heavily personally distant and centered on small screens....

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

It matter because the truth matters. It is a stupid question. Matthew 7:15-20 (KJV 1900): Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

1 John 4:1-5 (KJV 1900): Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

[@sheilasmith7779]

@@theelizabethan1 While your statement about the influence of smart phones ( "small screens") on the younger generation, there is no evidence that the influence is what we are witnessing in the Kentucky chapel, or that if we are witnessing that influence, it of no value. Humans can be too suspicious of everything or not suspicious of anything. But this? God works in all people in a variety of ways. Trust the Holy Spirit.

[@sarahd5341]

@sheilasmith7779 when there is little to no preaching of His word and no talk of sin/Hell/damnation/propitiation, it’s only normal to be skeptical. God tells us how he transforms people and it’s with the double-edged sword of his word. Not through repetitious music services & personal testimonies.

[@JustinPetersMin]

Thank you for doing this interview, Jon. I used a segment of it in the video I posted today. I put a link to this in my description. Blessings to you.

[@ConversationsThatMatterpodcast]

Awesome. Appreciate it Justin. Hope you are well!

[@geofflowe1909]

The "revival" (and yes, I do not think it's real) is more like a 60's "happening" than a true repentance driven revival. Coming from Asbury, it's not surprising, as Pastor Keeler pointed out, Asbury has a lot to repent about.

[@cantabriaecs]

Are you referring to the Jesus people of the 60's and 70's? That was as genuine as anything that has ever happened. I was there.

[@ChristieJo]

I went to the Reformation War Room for Women last year and it was awesome! My pastor, Pastor Orrick was the speaker. They do a great job with all their war room events.

[@pgtips4240]

Someone needs to stand up and preach the true gospel. This will immediately separate the sheep from the goats. The true and full gospel is the power of God unto salvation to all those who believe.

[@AnnieGrace777]

A 'revival' without repentance cannot be revival. 'There may be elements' you said but the enemy ALWAYS uses 98% of truth. Spiritual discernment needed always. ✝️🙏

[@judithmargret5972]

As a former charismatic I know that when we went away for weekends where we are locked away from the world, with preaching, singing, praying, and fellowship, it's not the real world. We can feel that we've been healed of various things, and feel on fire for God, but the test is going back into the real world, and to find what lasts in everyday life. The thing is none of that changed any of us, it's a break from normal life, but it's not revival. Finding victory in the hard times, and being able to praise God and drawing near to Him regardless of the storms around us, is the way to grow in the faith. To watch God's providence working in and around us, is what excites me. The other is just nice. The Holy Spirit is with us everyday, working in us. We Don't need to travel to get that.

[@brandonj8018]

I classify as “charismatic” and agree.

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

Very well said, sister! True revival is when God causes nations to repent. Obviously Evangelicalism is more influenced by the world than the world is influenced by the biblical and Christian worldview.

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

I was a Pentecostal for ten years.

[@ryanehlis426]

Well it was very real for me, changed my life big time! I « was » Pentecostal? Either you have Jesus and the Holy Spirit or you don’t?

[@judithmargret5972]

@@ryanehlis426 Exactly. He doesn't need to be conjured up by false signs and wonders.

[@mrsbojangles8548]

Rubber neck revival

[@lrowser7983]

Make an example out of a young girls testimony!? You could've Atleast blurred her face or something!! And you're men of God!?!?

[@sethbrickley4308]

There is true revival taking place and it's happening in the quiet places. The Lord is building up a legion of saints, mostly common people, who are being built up to withstand the persecution that is already here and coming in increasing measure. Some of the chief persecutors of these saints will be false Christians. This false revival receives all the press while behind the scenes Christ continues to build His church.

[@kimberlyo2037]

Yep, I think it was Paul Washer who said, “it was the church who had Jesus killed and it will be the “church” who kills and drags Christians to jail as the return of Christ draws nearer.

[@beaulin5628]

May God give each person there "the love of the TRUTH".

[@HotelCharliHill]

Thank you for doing the heavy lifting as usual and looking into this

[@gparker7019]

No it's not. No Torah, no root, no fruit.

[@dungbeetle8520]

Thank you! Good Biblical perspective!

[@katelynwade771]

I heard sooo many testimonies while there of deliverance from sin, I witnessed repentance, the Lord touched me personally!! This revival has my spirit renewed, and it’s spreading!!! Praise Jesus!!!!

[@LOVEisACTIONABLE]

It's crazy how ppl down talk moves of God and their own church is online and DEAD. they sit back and watch online to criticize the young. Same as the Jesus revolution movie. Again God is exposing the worms 🪱 and snakes 🐍

[@pattyblevins2765]

Someone said religious spirits fight a move of God.

[@cosmictreason2242]

If you’re calling it a revival on the front end, it isn’t.

[@rickorider]

Unless Christ is preached according to the revelation of the mystery then it will totally fail.

[@preppedforeternityhomestea2848]

wonder what would happen if the music was turned off and Paul Washer preached for about 3 hrs followed up by Steve Lawson and Macarthur?

[@annmarie2964]

You seem to be pretty hard on people who didn't mention Jesus, but only said they prayed, and were delivered from sin. A lot of these young people aren't "churched" and therefore you shouldn't expect them to say just the right things. It is clearly implied that the prayer was about being set free in the name of Jesus, just because she left that out can easily be attributed to being put on the spot and not being familiar enough with the churchese parlance. As she hopefully grows in the faith, I am pretty sure she'll emphasize that the deliverance was in the name of Jesus.

[@davoforrest5]

Thank you for the Biblical reminder of the ministry of the Holy Spirit.❤

[@larryseppanen4619]

Yes it is. Still going. Holy Spirit is leading, healing, converting, & sending…..

[@SMaamri78]

The Lakewood revival of 2008(?) makes me skeptical of any spontaneous revival. That went on for months kicked off with a sermon by Todd Bentley who was having an affair during that time.

[@IMCcanTWEESTED]

That was a "personality-led" revival who was sparking and ginning the people up emotionally-creating an atmosphere of hysteria. However a couple of people I knew where physically healed. One came forward and was healed of Huntington's Disease and the other from a poorly set ulna bone in her forearm. She was scheduled to have it re-broken and reset, but during the service she saw the shape of her arm change and the doctors were baffled. She didn't have to undergo the reset procedure. So....God can use anything

[@AnnieGrace777]

Also he was giving glory to angels, gave them names, said they or one, were levitating. ALL GLORY must go to GOD

[@PreachingforGodsGlory]

I don't think it should be called a revival during the moment. It's simply a 24/7 worship service. I deal with that in my hour long analysis video that I released yesterday, along with talk about revivals in general. I would definitely like to see more preaching. If the "gospel" is being preached the way that Pastor Keeler described, that is definitely a problem. They need a true gospel preached (Sin, Hell, Damnation, Atonement of Christ, Resurrection, Forgiveness through Faith in Christ). The test will be based on what kind of lasting fruit comes of it. I'm also hearing reports now of security concerns as troublemakers are coming. You are bound to get some "bad actors" on campus with that many people. Someone who knows a professor said that people are getting bused in and causing problems. I guess we'll start hearing about it if it becomes bad. We can definitely pray that it doesn't!

[@SMaamri78]

That’s how I have been thinking of it. A long long worship service.

[@littlebird7226]

This was just one Sermon on one part of Scripture. It was explaining that the Commandments are all about loving your neighbor. I am sure this Pastor knows the Gospel of Grace and has preached on it many times! I guarantee you, most Methodists know we are saved by Grace and not the law or it would not be grace. Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God- not the result of works, so that no one may boast. A lot of people and Pastors out there have no understanding of what is meant by the fact, that we are saved by grace. They should read every passage on grace, and get understanding!

[@LucianaPelota]

GOD has given us a box, the scripture!

[@littlebird7226]

But the Scripture is not Jesus. Remember what Jesus said “ you search the scriptures because in it you think you will find Eternal Life? The Scripture speaks of me but you refuse to come to me”. God gave us Eternal Life and this life is in his Son! Count on the Son to save you, not scripture!

[@LucianaPelota]

@@littlebird7226 No. JESUS says in John 5:39 that the scripture speaks of Him. John 5:24 says, "...whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life..." We know the Son through the Word of GOD, which testifies about Him, JESUS. Romans 10:17 states, "So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of CHRIST." In I John 4:6, John the Apostle says, "We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of error." According to II Timothy 3:16, "All Scripture is breathed out by God..." If the Scripture is the breath of GOD, what is a more reliable way to know GOD?

[@littlebird7226]

@@LucianaPelota I Just mean to say you have to believe, reading scripture is not enough.

[@LucianaPelota]

@@littlebird7226 Yes, you have to believe GOD's word, not just read it.

[@littlebird7226]

@@LucianaPelota Believe in Jesus Christ as your savior, the one God sent!

[@christinegradymiller1719]

Sorry but Austin's moustache is hilarious and quite the distraction, he is too young for that Rolle Fingers look, just sayin' LOL! I so appreciate this ministry Jon!

[@orbyfan]

You have to be of a certain age now to remember Rollie Fingers.

[@SMaamri78]

I was just gonna comment about how I like it! But, I’m 63 so maybe it’s an age thing.

[@michelletrew4872]

Yes,yes, he needs to go to the barber LOL in the spirit of innocent jesting !

[@aaronskarlupka7104]

“Rubberneck-Revival” - Jerry seems to sum it up well. No doubt God will use it regardless.

[@BobRobertsUSA]

He’s so amazingly merciful! 🙏🙏🙏🙏 He will, undoubtedly.

[@brittneyrussell1766]

Lol the "spirit of embarrassment" is called PRIDE. 🥴🤦🏼‍♀️. I hope someone goes and preaches the Gospel to everyone there. We are not far from Asbury and lots of friends/family are going and I have had concerns since I first heard about it and the longer it goes on the more I have.

[@jammystarfish]

When a school and student body known for their weak doctrine hosts a chapel service for 8 days.... this is about what we should expect. However, when they are reading Scripture aloud and singing truthful songs of worship, this is GOOD and we should not doubt that God may use this! At the same time, we can't be surprised that the response is mixed with heterodox expressions of repentance.

[@GiaGirlism]

Ywam, Breeding ground for false doctrine.

[@WangLaoshiChinese]

Do not jump into conclusion so quickly. that is why some of our church lost young people.

[@ElenaBaumann]

I don't believe there is a revival just because of Jesus words: love will grow cold, people will fall away from faith (not come to it), and when Jesus comes back, will He even find faith at all? There is no word of revivals in the end times. Surely His chosen people all over the world will come to faith as the Gospel is being preached....yet not as a movement of many people.

[@FLIPPER1439]

Amazing how Christian people think they can understand the WAYS OF ALMIGHTY GOD. I thank GOD for these young people and everyone needs to pray 🙏 for them as we are in a very evil time and USA 🇺🇸 has left God more and more. Hello 👋 Look at the protests etc -streets have been filled with young adults. These young people are reaching out to the Lord Jesus. PRAY 🙏 for these young people.

[@mikeyonce2323]

Thanks Jon, Jerry, and Austin for a fair and balanced analysis of this potential revival. Hopefully in a couple weeks we will be able to say for sure that this is a revival. Until then much prayer is needed.

[@kellycase4212]

Thank you! I’ve caught some flack for my skepticism, but you all hit every point that concerns me. This school was a very negative experience for us when we sent our son there for one year (2020-2021). We do not feel spiritually good about this place.

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

Asbury Seminary is very much moving in a liberal direction. That was true when I was there in 1992-1995. I suspect the same is true of the university.

[@Panazoniac]

"Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God.” Acts 5:38‭-‬39

[@barryazarcon6247]

I sincerely appreciate your desire to confirm Biblical authenticity, but we can’t even attempt to disqualify the young woman’s testimony because she didn’t use specific religious language or even directly mention Jesus. By that reasoning and standard you’d have to conclude Jesus was wrong to tell the thief on the cross next to Him “today you’ll be with me in Paradise.” Context matters. Emotionalism (cited in some comments) isn’t a disqualifier either! I think first of Mary weeping, and wiping Jesus’ feet, to the dismay of a room full of dignified & “proper” people, and next of all the emotional expressions of many who encountered Jesus & the Holy Spirit. God has never moved in our neat, little (by His standards) comfort boxes. Thinking that He does or should is what made so made people diligently study the Scriptures and miss Jesus incarnate. Desiring and confirming authenticity IS good. Measuring authenticity by religious or extra Biblical standards is not. Respectfully submitted.

[@lindajaynekinnett1559]

From Linda Jayne: I became a Christian June 3rd 1973 when the Jesus Revival movement was going on and the Asbury Revival movement began in 1970!! Watching the Ashbury Revival that is going on now Feb 20th on its13th day is amazing!! Jesus is Real and Ashbury Revival is Ordained thru the Holy Spirit. I was prayed over by 2 beautiful Christian ladies and was born again thru the Holy Spirit in 1973 and Yes I am 79 years old now and just shy of 50 years ago!! I was only 29 years old at that time!! I can tell you the same Miracles that are going on at Ashbury Revival today are the same Miracles that were going on at the Jesus Revival movement in the 1970s!!!

[@conniewaltman4845]

What miracles??

[@rebegre]

Only good things come from the father above. Why are we scrutinizing their testimony when the Bible tells us we over come by the blood of the lamb and the word of our testimony. We need to be careful, we who love God need to be patient and let God move. Ask yourself this, was this that is happening at Asbury birthed out of Love or not? Just let God move. Stop trying to figure it out and embrace that God is moving on people who desperately need Him. God doesn’t require repentance for healing, wether mental or physical, He is sovereign. However repentance is required for salvation. And it is God’s goodness, his kindness leads us to repentance. These kids are seeking God’s presence. Would we rather them go out and give their lives to something vain? Pray for them and let God work. Your words could discourage them. Make sure your words are working to protect their hearts and not just your own convictions. God rarely does things the same way, but what He does always produces life. Consider what is coming from this before you speak. I feel like I am listening to Job’s friends drone on about what they think just before God scolds them all. This should be a private conversation, not something for a mass audience.

[@faithdome]

So, depression is solely an overflow of anxiety and is sin. Brothers, that is terrible teaching. Also, there has CLEARY been fruit of real repentance during this time. None of it is perfect.

[@peggy4354]

Obviously none of you were there when it started. And you are making comments from later on. And none of you have really experienced God's falling. And by the way many did say they had been saved from sin. You are looking for a normal service. All of the students have been taught about the Bible, etc. Revival is done by GOD. I think this conversation wants to vivify this. Remember God sees you too!

[@allisontatum615]

When your eyes are skeptical and peeled to find the bad, you find it. When your eyes are faithful and peeled to find the good and righteous that He’s trying to show you, you find it. I don’t think anyone will find a revival by going into a revival trying to find reasons why it’s not logically a revival. The Holy Spirit doesn’t move in logical humanly understandable ways.

[@MAPologeticsIPeter315]

Here at Columbia International University, we are having a day of prayer. Thus far the worship music is biblically based, and Scriptures were read by various students. I accidentally came early and watched the worship team rehearse and then went up to the staff to pray for them and ask the Lord to bring revival and HIS Spirit upon the university. I'm a 1996 graduate of the university with an MA in Teaching English as a Second Language and Intercultural Studies. This afternoon is a time of personal prayer time and another time of worship and testimonies in the evening.

[@chuckcribbs3398]

Sounds like a revival that’s a mile wide and an inch deep. Jesus said to make disciples, not just converts. Where will the discipleship be when this is over? You have to be born again. I don’t see that either. Jesus healed people but without repentance and being born again plus discipleship, it’s all the withering flower.

[@dcecchi]

Jerry hit the hammer on the nail. “ the younger generations need to allow Christ to come in their hearts to make save them from their victimization !! ❤❤❤

[@Wood424]

Thanks Jon, very balanced, Jerry and Austin were gracious in their evaluation.

[@krystalgoin]

I remember when I was a teenager (about 16) going to "aquire the fire" with my youth group. It was very emotion based. This reminds me of that based on what I've seen. While I was bent down on my knees praying someone came up and laid their hands on me and prayed for me. I literally felt a weight come off my shoulders. I thought it was God removing my burderns. She prayed for me over "the spirit if suicide" as well. I was not suicidal. However my mothers death was a ruled a suicide when I was a child (although there is skepticism over the ruling of that). My ex-husband committed suicide last year, and a guy I dated in my past also committed suicide. I think there is some kind of spirit present at these events, but I dont believe its a Holy spirit revival. I believe there is a false spirit present. Everyone who went changed for about 3 weeks and then our lives went back to normal. Nobody really had a repentant heart, nobody really made any permanent changes, the gospel wasnt preached. I know this about the others because most went to my school and we saw eachother every day. The others were friends who kept in close contact. It FELT powerful and amazing, 100%. I understand the emotional and mental draw to these things but I believe they are false. There is a temporary change, but its not life long. At least with what I've seen and experienced myself. It is a very powerful feeling going to these things, but it typically doesnt last. You dont need a revival to change and feel the Holy Spirit move. You need to consistently hear Gods word, read Gods word, repent and pray. I am thankful the Lord has worked in my mind, heart, and life as He has by His word and faithful pastors preaching. I am now at 39 a truly changedf person, with a repentant heart, who loves the Lord and wants nothing more than to follow His instructions given in His word.

[@vocalpelican]

Familiar spirits are real -- fortune tellers, witches, and those into all sorts of darkness tap into them, and it sounds like this lady was moving with one. Or, it could be that the Holy Spirit led her to pray against "the spirit of suicide" without any in particular motive on her part and she just did it. I know there are times in my life I'll just say something in the course of a group discussion and BOOM! it was something someone in the group was dealing with. (e.g., A woman in the group's son was murdered and she, of course, was dealing with unforgiveness -- who could blame her?! But I had no idea she was going through that, and I made a comment about a recent murder event and that forgiveness on that level of wound can take years to work through.) It could have been the case with her praying for you, too -- maybe. But, I know this was a mere blip in your story and not the main point. Glad you're doing well!

[@hjlydia]

As I read your reply, I couldn't help but wonder what the apostles would have done in the first century if any of them got word of a revival happening somewhere within their reach?

[@beaulin5628]

I am praying that devils will not be able to derail this gathering. They will surely try. God will meet with those who are really seeking. He will not give them "a stone" instead of the Bread of Life.

[@nsgjdw]

Reformed people think god has to ask them before He does anything. Shame on you for using one example to destroy a move of God. Repent!

[@BeauArmstrong]

Watching this I feel like I switched back to the classroom from the chapel. Let’s all pontificate and analyze and break it down. Lord why didn’t you save me I was standing on the roof and the waters were all around me the floodwaters. I know how the story goes. Cannot see the forest for the trees.

[@goombatime]

From the outside, it looks like attempts to reignite passion for a dying religion. No spirit of surrender to the inevitable. I think that is admirable.

[@KIEFFNERCLAN]

Jon, Thanks for making this.

[@Anna-eg3ub]

Thank YOU so much Brothers for your dedication to Christ, time in laboring for us, and Biblical encouragement !!! ✝️🙏💟

[@Jodider]

I’m confused by the examples pastors are giving of ‘revival’ in the Bible while saying that revival is a renewal of Christians. Jonah was not preaching to Christians, no? Nor were those in Acts 19, they were being saved also. So how are these examples of revival when they weren’t saved to begin with? I also heard someone use Hezekiah and Josiah who when they heard the Law, were convicted and repented and reconciled to God and finally worshiped. Seems these would be regeneration, not revival.

[@cosmictreason2242]

The HS must move for both justification and sanctification. Revival is not something that can be manufactured. But revival is always a conspicuously high amount of new converts who are sensitive to sin and zealous for sound doctrine.

[@JonJaeden]

There's a lot of word salad here.

[@sheilasmith7779]

What is this? An ego problem with you pastors? Something is happening and you 3 men are not in the center of it?

[@rebeccascott6403]

Praying we have revival!!! Praying for Asbury!!

[@praisehimnetworktwashingto254]

Yesss true repentance from all marks revival beginning

[@41093AnthonyB]

This was such a timely episode for me. I was just with a group and one thing I was concerned with is that they seemed to embrace the "gospel of trauma". So emphasis was placed on, "I did this because of what happened to me at age 9." Rather than, I sinned. I needed to confess and repent and accept the blood of Jesus, to remove that sin from my life. THEN, by the process of sanctification and being transformed by the renewing of our minds, we can explore some of the past experiences that may be leading us into sin patterns. But unless we acknowledge our sin and repent of it, no amount of "healing prayer" is going to give us victory over strongholds.

[@theGlorydueHisName]

What a beautiful and concise description of the process of daily growth and rejuvenation in Christ. A rejuvenation I personally define as being enabled (empowered by the Holy Spirit) to deny the flesh and walk as a child of the light. Ephesians 5: 8-10.

[@littlebird7226]

The only victory over sin and strongholds is to know how much God loves you. Once you accept Gods love for you it changes you!

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

I agree. The science of psychology is responsible for excusing sin and focusing on blaming someone else. Science is ever changing and never arrives at the truth.

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

John 4:24 (KJV 1900): God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

@@littlebird7226 Really? Where is that in the Bible? My Bible says: Psalm 119:11 (KJV 1900): Thy word have I hid in mine heart, That I might not sin against thee. And: John 17:17 (KJV 1900): Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. Also: 2 Timothy 3:15-17 (KJV 1900): And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. If God's love is not an emotion, then it must be His revealed will to save His elect sheep and call them by name. God has no body and no bodily sensations. John 4:24.

[@beaulin5628]

I am an elderly person and have been praying for revival for the youth for many months with tears. This generation is surrounded by lies in every aspect of life, and the "spiritual blindness" on this nation is intense. I'm sure that many unknown believers have been praying also. I hope it may be a real "beginning".

[@cosmictreason2242]

Abandon that hope. When has God blessed a Muslim hajj with revival?

[@beaulin5628]

@@cosmictreason2242 That God does not save all people does not mean he does not save many people in every age everywhere. Many individual Muslims are becoming believers in Jesus Christ today. Speaking of Jesus, the Son of God, in Psalm 2:8: "Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession." Luke 18:1 "And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray, and not to faint;"

[@littlebird7226]

@@cosmictreason2242 What do you mean abandon that hope? It’s not over! He came to the Gentiles and the Samaritans. Because we are believers we must rid ourselves of self-righteous pride. It says in scripture that they all will be taught by God. It also says, he does not want any to be lost and no- one can thwart God’s plans!

[@ybh8ful]

the reason why we don't want to come off as stuffy & skeptical & critical is that there ARE so many false teachings out there that we wish we didn't have to expose & preach against!! I know, myself I'm tired of so many misusing & stealing the Christian label when they're NOT Christian at all 😭 But I wish we didn't have so many to attack & tear down.

[@ronm1837]

Good discernment guys.....but I would say to be very careful of using past revivals as a template for future revivals....I just listened to a testimony by an English man named Paul kingsnorth...he became orthodox....but my point is people are coming to christ in different ways....like the Apostle Paul tailored his sermons to his audience....I know this is more for reviving Christians so might be different....I also am concerned about word of faith influence......to me I will wait and see if it is not of God it will die out.....

[@SAOProductions1955]

If it's a true manifestation of the salt and light that only God can provide, then it will have its results for the building of the Kingdom. But the fruit of it won't be known for quite sometime.

[@divine_passive]

Revivalism occasionally produces a spectacle

[@bobloblaw2958]

Unless Sin is dealt wiith, nothing is dealt with. Praise Jesus!

[@ronniebaldridge7151]

i asked someone that was there if there is any new converts and if the gospel is being preach ,and they said no this is new age and God loves everyone

[@dr.phillipleefatt584]

The Holy Spirit is moving, perhaps b/c of the continued failure of the modern American Christian Churches to boldly declare the Gospel & Teaching of Jesus Christ w/o compromise - These Gen Z students are clearly not causing a national stir due to their own wits & power; something transcend is happening, and we can only pray that it spreads & grows 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@bsholderlowescs]

It saddens me that video was made of a personal testimony. Period.

[@gwillacey]

The bible doesn’t even mention the word revival. We read in the bible about people (Jesus, Peter, Paul) preaching God’s word, specifically the gospel, and people repent and turn to Jesus. if we really have to use the word revival then a revival happens every time someone hears the gospel and repents and turns to Jesus.

[@brandonj8018]

This!!!

[@JonJaeden]

​@@brandonj8018 This too!!!

[@gregmorgan3508]

I am not sure that I really learned anything from this video. I had to stop listening. Some of this sounds like denominational response against another denomination. I am with Gamaliel in Acts. Let's see what happens. If you can't even get the difference between the college/university seperate the seminary, then how can I trust this analysis? Moreover, the college is not just a methodist college it serves many denominations. Haha! A chapel that does not occur on Sunday is not a church. I just had to stop listening!

[@kimberlyo2037]

Too bad, you should go back and listen to the whole thing, with no biases

[@suzannefoust3156]

This was very helpful. Thank you for putting this review together. Another review that I found helpful is the one Chris Rosebrough from Fighting for the Faith did. He has his undergraduate and Masters degrees in Biblical languages and reads from the original language. Very interesting. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHurgaWEfLNpnKs

[@sourclam904]

Well said guys...Thank you for this biblical discernment. I am reformed, spirit filled and abide in Yeshua.

[@jessebryant9233]

On a lighter note... Jon - Western Cowboy 🤠 Jerry - Greco Roman Soldier 🪖 Austin - English Boxer 🥊 _Okay. Sorry. Couldn't help myself._ 😜

[@kimberlyo2037]

😂

[@jessebryant9233]

@@kimberlyo2037 So glad someone appreciates my sense of humor.

[@jayjay-bz3rr]

This is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel….

[@bencorley8687]

Fruits have seasons. Was hoping you'd do something on Asbury. Thanks Jon.

[@maryc6189]

Who are you to judge what the Lord is doing?! The revival is real. If you can't see it I am so sorry for you!

[@jessebryant9233]

Really? Who are YOU to judge? ... 🤔

[@paulajames6149]

I believe on their website there is about 8-10 revivals at the University that were all in Feb, 1 in March.

[@cosmictreason2242]

Slow alumni donation months

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

I did my master of divinity at Asbury Theological Seminary 1992-1995. This stuff is the charismatic movement at Asbury. One of the professors at the seminary was Steven Seamands, son of David Seamands. Steven was into the Vineyard Movement. As a former Pentecostal myself I unequivocally reject this as a revival. The first and second Great Awakenings were both the result of the preaching of the Gospel, not signs and wonders and emotionalism. Wonder how Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God would go over?

[@Anna-eg3ub]

Nicely put Thomas! Praise the Lord for delivering you out of the Pentecostal movement. Also I totally agree with your statement about revival. Praying the Lord will open eyes.✝️🙏

[@jonahdav9589]

grace to you, God rescued me from the charismatic movement as well, praise God. This looks like Charles Finnism, emotion over truth, and this will leave people more dead then they were before. Real revival people are born again. They turn to holiness, away from sin, Gods word is ate and drank, and they abandon out of balance emotions.

[@josephbrandenburg4373]

Wayne Grudem was also in the Vineyard Movement, you shouldn't throw out what people say because they were in a movement you disagree with.

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

@Joseph Brandenburg I have written many blog articles refuting Wayne Grudem's continuationism. But that's not why I reject Steven Seamands. It is because he is a charismatic who practices unbiblical theology. He also recommended a revival at a church that outright denies the Trinity.

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

@Joseph Brandenburg I throw out heresy at every opportunity. Asbury is not an Evangelical seminary. That's because it falsely claims to believe in biblical inerrancy while denying plenary verbal inspiration. How do you distinguish between which parts of Scripture are inspired and inerrant and which parts are not inspired and inerrant????

[@joyceharrison6841]

It never fails, there’s ALWAYS those who cannot help but to criticize others in the church. What a shame, y’all should be ashamed of yourselves, all 3 of you. Paul spoke about this same thing though. Here we go, diving the church against herself. Why do we have to name what religion sect we prefer? Apparently, y’all don’t believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Your lost, completely! SAD!!!

[@dianeprice1523]

They were giving their pros and cons. Nothing wrong with that. 💕

[@joyceharrison6841]

@@dianeprice1523 everything IS wrong with it. All negativity no positivity